[05:30] <jml> hello
[05:30] <jml> sorry to miss the NZ crew
[05:32] <spm> hey jml
[05:33] <spm> excellent! jscheck failed. I can shortly bounce builtbot without inflicting (excessive) pain on someone.
[05:34] <jml> spm, hi :)
[05:51] <spm> FYI. stopping/restarting buildbot on prasé
[05:53] <jml> spm, thans
[05:53] <jml> ks
[05:53] <spm> heh
[05:53] <jml> I'm about to submit something to PQM, actually :)
[05:54] <spm> build forced as well. accidently did lp tho; have done db too now.
[06:01] <wgrant> spm: So it's easier to use an accent than to type the full praseodymium?
[06:02] <spm> wgrant: inhouse joke actually. :-)
[06:02] <wgrant> Ah.
[06:02] <spm> myself and mwhudson were talking back and forth about 'prase' one day; james jumped in and said at least call it 'prasé'. so we did.
[06:03] <wgrant> Heh.
[06:03] <spm> istr the vibe was around show some respect and be nice - kinda thing. don't cheapen the name so much. :-D
[06:04] <spm> and tbh. even prasé is easier to type than praseodymium each time!
[06:50] <jml> hey, what's that thing you do to a launchpadlib error to get the actual interesting error message?
[06:51] <wgrant> jml: except HTTPError, e: print e.message
[06:51] <wgrant> Or e.content. One of them works, but I forget which.
[06:51] <jml> wgrant, isn't e.message just str(e)?
[06:51] <jml> wgrant, I think content, but I'll do an experiment maybe.
[06:51] <wgrant> jml: I think so too.
[07:21] <jml> how often is launchpadlib released?
[08:14] <adeuring> good morning
[09:26] <mrevell> Morning!
[09:31] <jml> mrevell, good morning
[09:43] <mrevell> Hi jml!
[09:51]  * jml is off for the evening
[11:41] <james_w> OOPS-1439L1839
[11:41]  * james_w does it the hard way instead
[12:45] <beuno> sinzui, when you're up
[12:45] <beuno> how about we make the turnk branch of a projects' font 7 times bigger?
[12:52] <wgrant> Do the buildbot AMIs get their packages from the ~launchpad PPA, or from some internal archive that nobody seems to know about?
[14:21] <flacoste> morning launchpadders (from a Montreal covered in snow)
[14:21] <flacoste> expecting 20cm today!
[14:22] <jamalta> flacoste: wow that's crazy
[14:23] <jamalta> although, i really don't know what that's like.. it doesn't snow where i live lol
[14:23] <noodles775> Wow! I wish Berlin got snow like that :)
[14:23] <flacoste> jamalta: that's only the beginning, first real snow storm of the year
[14:24] <jamalta> flacoste: really? isn't snow supposed to start earlier than december?
[14:24] <jamalta> sorry if I sound a bit ignorant, i really have no clue
[14:25] <flacoste> jamalta: we do and did receive some snow flakes in november, but nothing that sticks
[14:25] <bigjools> flacoste: is it too flat to ski in Montreal?
[14:25] <jamalta> flacoste: ah i see
[14:25] <flacoste> bigjools: in Montreal, it is, but we have many ski center in the mountains surrounding it
[14:26] <flacoste> bigjools: but when you are used to skiing in the alps, these mountains are really hills
[14:26] <bigjools> flacoste: near enough for me to emigrate? :)
[14:26] <flacoste> biggest one will have 600m of slope
[14:26] <flacoste> bigjools: oh, really near, they are all within 1h drive
[14:26] <adeuring> noodles775, beuno: could one of you please ui-review this branch. https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~adeuring/launchpad/bug-344054/+merge/15857 ?
[14:27] <bigjools> flacoste: yeah that's kinda tiny, but then you do have much better places to ski on in the west!
[14:27] <flacoste> bigjools: when i was a kid, when went to the ski center every week
[14:27]  * bigjools is very jealous
[14:27] <flacoste> bigjools: we do, but that's not within driving range :-)
[14:28] <flacoste> bigjools: the experience is very different than in the Alps, all ski slopes are cut through the woods, and some mountains have a lot under-the-wood
[14:28] <flacoste> it can be very challenging
[14:29] <flacoste> although it won't take you more than 5-10 minutes to go downhill
[14:29] <bigjools> flacoste: now you're just rubbing my nose in it
[14:29] <flacoste> lol
[14:32] <sinzui> EdwinGrubbs: stand-up in 2 minutes
[14:44] <lfaraone> Hey, where can I find the code in malone which is responcible for rendering +choose-affected-product (the template) ?
[14:51] <lfaraone> Nevermind, found it. (I didn't want the template, actually, I wanted lp-branches/devel/lib/lp/bugs/model/bugtracker.py)
[15:10] <salgado> lfaraone, the actual code for the page is in lib/lp/bugs/browser/bugalsoaffects.py
[15:42] <sinzui> barry_: have you submitted your fix for bug 394848 to ec2?
[15:42] <mup> Bug #394848: Add inline editing of a project's use of LP services <story-guided-project-registration> <Launchpad Registry:In Progress by barry> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/394848>
[16:02] <danilos> matsubara-lunch, btw, would it be possible to get per-team oops summaries exported regularly?
[16:41] <sinzui> bigjools: ping
[16:41] <bigjools> sinzui: hello
[16:42] <sinzui> bigjools: does the DistroseriesPackageCache for Ubuntu contain partner packages?
[16:43] <bigjools> sinzui: should do yes
[16:43] <sinzui> bigjools: I ask because I think this might be the *fastest* means to identify packages in Ubuntu when looking up packaging links
[16:43] <bigjools> no doubt
[16:44] <sinzui> bigjools: My filtering on current version (in python) made +packaging timeouts worse. I was filtering out ppas
[16:44] <bigjools> sinzui: yes, I could have told you that!  You're issuing an extra query per package
[16:44] <bigjools> mayeb 2
[16:45] <bigjools> can you restructure it to issue a single query that gathers data for everything at once?
[16:45] <sinzui> bigjools: I was thinking of modifying the model.distroseries to always join to DistroseriesPackageCache when the series.distribution is Ubuntu
[16:45] <bigjools> that sounds a bit hackish
[16:46] <sinzui> bigjools: How do you propose we support distros that do not use soyuz?
[16:46] <sinzui> or projects that want to register their packages in debian that we have not gotten yet
[16:46] <bigjools> if you want to check for publishing status, we can't
[16:47] <sinzui> Right, so Ubuntu gets a separate rule
[16:47] <bigjools> bummer
[16:48] <sinzui> We could revise the feature to only mean Ubuntu. One or two users will be disappointed and will send me hate mail, but I have already disappointed them
[16:58] <dobey> is something mucked with launchpad merge proposals at the moment? i seem to keep getting 404/oops error paage when trying to change a commit message
[17:38] <matsubara> danilos, yes, I just disabled it in the last few days as I'm trying to fix a race condition
[17:39] <danilos> matsubara, cool, it's not a race, but they were very useful :)
[17:39] <matsubara> danilos, :-)
[18:51] <henninge> adiroiban: ping
[20:06] <thumper> barry, gary_poster: can either of you tell me our current status w.r.t. python 2.6?
[20:06] <thumper> is there a list of things that need to be fixed somewhere?
[20:06] <gary_poster> thumper: we are not planning on returning to Python upgrade until Lucid
[20:06] <gary_poster> thumper: is that a problem?
[20:07] <thumper> gary_poster: I know we aren't, but there was some community effort around it, and I got asked about it yesterday by a guy interested in helping out
[20:10] <gary_poster> thumper, ah ok.  The page about it is here: https://dev.launchpad.net/PythonMigrationStatus .  We have no compelling reason to migrate ATM and it is a risk and a deployment cost that we don't want to pay, so I recommend that either people should not work on this, or they should work on changes that can work in both 2.5 and 2.6 (and so can be merged now, without waiting for our appetite to change when Lucid comes around).
[20:11] <thumper> having changes that work with 2.5 and 2.6 sounds sensible to me
[20:15] <gary_poster> +1
[20:16] <thumper> gary_poster: given that lucid isn't that far away, and we don't want to be too close to the wire, when is this work scheduled for?
[20:20] <gary_poster> thumper: The release is 29 April 2010...I'm not scheduling that far away, both because I don't, and because Francis will be back at the helm in early February.  I suspect we'll want a concentrated effort in April, with some exploratory work before then.
[22:21] <lfaraone> My patch is a really simple string fix. (remove 4 letters from a URL) Do I still need to sign a Contrib. Agreement?
[22:29] <cody-somerville> lfaraone, No
[22:30] <cody-somerville> lfaraone, Unless you want to
[22:31] <lfaraone> cody-somerville: well, I do plan on contributing more in the future, so I guess why not. I poked Edwin in -reviews and he's looking at the change now.
[22:32]  * cody-somerville nods.
[22:33] <lfaraone> cody-somerville: granted, contracts aren't legally binding on minors in the UK, I thought. (I'm sub-18)
[22:33] <cody-somerville> lfaraone, Its not a contract.
[22:34] <cody-somerville> lfaraone, Although it may still be void in the UK, I'm not a lawyer.
[22:35] <lfaraone> mk.
[22:35] <cody-somerville> lfaraone, Infact, it could very well be a contract. As I said I'm not a lawyer.
[22:59] <wgrant> Am I allowed to merge branches into lp:meta-lp-deps? It's owned by launchpad-committers, so I am technically able.
[23:03] <jelmer> wgrant: I think so (as long as somebody has approved the change, of course)
[23:03] <wgrant> jelmer: Three people, in fact. Thanks.
[23:03]  * wgrant merges.
[23:05] <poolie> hi jelmer!, wgrant
[23:05] <wgrant> Morning poolie.
[23:05] <jelmer> hi poolie
[23:32] <jml> I'm declaring today "jml gardens the wiki" day
[23:32] <jml> (man, I wish I could use Bazaar to do it)
[23:49] <wgrant> Can somebody please copy launchpad-dependencies 0.60 from https://edge.launchpad.net/~wgrant/+archive/launchpad/+copy-packages?field.name_filter=launchpad-dependencies&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=karmic to hardy, karmic and lucid in ~launchpad/ppa?
[23:50] <wgrant> (possibly jaunty too, if we support that)