[20:09] <T_UNIX> xorg says it loads the fglrxdrm, fails to load the ati and then loads vesa
[20:13] <T_UNIX> well, I'll give the radeon driver another try
[20:13] <bjsnider> not happy with the macos?
[20:34] <DanaG> argh, radeonhd is old, basically... use radeon, instead!
[20:34] <DanaG> WHY, oh why, do people still use radeonhd?
[20:34] <DanaG> (Aside from the very specific case of hdmi audio)
[20:38] <CosmiChaos> whats the status of alpha 1?
[20:42] <yofel> CosmiChaos: X: read topic. Kubuntu: kde beta packages still not ready for upgrades
[20:43] <T_UNIX> hm.. when I only add a device section to xorg.conf start of X fails due to "low resolution".
[20:43] <CosmiChaos> i always prefered gnome ;)
[20:43] <T_UNIX> only works again if I delete the xorg.conf again
[20:44] <yofel> CosmiChaos: well, I'm a kde guy, dunno about gnome, but I think gnome is pretty stable right now
[20:44] <CosmiChaos> sounds nice
[20:45] <CosmiChaos> i read about performance lossen on new  kernel due to ext4 probs
[20:46] <yofel> well, according to phoronix, lucid is pretty slow, but at least for me it works fine
[20:46] <yofel> well, most of the time
[20:49] <T_UNIX> any suggestions to get radeon driver working?
[20:49] <T_UNIX> instead of vesa?
[20:50] <DanaG> kde4 has broken power management, for me.
[20:50] <DanaG> No brightness hotkeys, for one.
[20:51] <DanaG> It also ignores power button, sleep button, and display-switch button.
[20:51] <DanaG> And lock-workstation button.
[21:03]  * David-T convinces WoW to run
[21:03] <David-T> ok, i'm happy. lucid is ready for release now :)
[21:20] <dupondje> for those who didn't notice yet, new flash 64bit availible :P
[21:22] <bjsnider> cool
[21:22] <bjsnider> i'll have to go grab it
[21:24] <dupondje>     Shockwave Flash 10.0 r42 :D
[21:25] <bjsnider> where do you see it?
[21:26] <dupondje> the about:plugins website :P
[21:34] <CosmiChaos> well in synaptic you can see it too
[21:35] <CosmiChaos> nice that fixed my lagg from closing fullscreen shockwave vids/apps
[21:41] <dupondje> CosmiChaos: the 64bit version isn't in repo's
[21:47] <CosmiChaos> ehm no im with amd64 ???
[21:48] <CosmiChaos> Adobe Flash Player plugin installer (transitional package)
[21:48] <CosmiChaos> well actually i not updated sources to lynx a await alpha1
[21:49] <CosmiChaos> dupondje,
[21:49] <CosmiChaos> the karmic 64 is there
[21:53] <dupondje> CosmiChaos: there is a package indeed
[21:54] <dupondje> but its a 32bit flashplugin with ndpluginwrapper
[21:56] <DanaG> grr, kde power managemnt does not work.
[21:56] <DanaG> More specifically, sleep, lock-screen, and brightness hotkeys don't work.
[21:56] <CosmiChaos> hm
[21:57] <CosmiChaos> at least the pluxinwrapper is 64bit
[22:01] <yofel> DanaG: here hotkey's don't work too, but I'm not sure if that's the fault of KDE, X or the kernel
[22:01] <yofel> since I can't find any reference that a key was pressed anywhere
[22:03] <DanaG> open a console and run 'xev'
[22:03] <DanaG> you'll see that the keypresses show up un-grabbed.
[22:03] <BUGabundo> I must say how I LOVE the way Kmail uses notify-osd :DDDD
[22:04] <DanaG> I must say I hate notify-osd.
[22:04] <DanaG> press a volume-control key, and the change doesn't happen until the notification appears?
[22:04] <DanaG> that's really bad design.
[22:05] <DanaG> I say, change should be instant, and if the notification takes a while, then so be it.
[22:06] <BUGabundo> DanaG: or do it over flash Full screen and it comes out
[22:06] <DanaG> That's the fault of Flash, though.
[22:06] <DanaG> Happens with the KDE OSD, too.
[22:06] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/notify-osd/+bug/367049
[22:07] <yofel> DanaG: what's supposed to happen in xev? I don't see anything
[22:08] <DanaG> hover over the window and press the special key.
[22:08] <yofel> nothing
[22:08] <DanaG> hmm.
[22:09] <yofel> I'll try it with any older kernel later
[22:09] <DanaG> For me, the keycodes come through.
[22:09] <DanaG> What SHOULD happen, and happens in gnome: I get a notify of some sort.
[22:11] <DanaG> hmm, I see plymouth in the repos, but it takes out usplash and {,k}ubuntu-desktop
[22:11] <yofel> urgh, when I open the power profiles list in the battery applet menu they go BELOW the 'Hibernate' button
[22:12] <yofel> well, they still depend on usplash so that's to be expected
[22:12] <DanaG> yofel: same here.
[22:12] <DanaG> I've just gone to running gnome-power-manager under kde.
[22:13] <DanaG> Had to disable the powerdevil part of kded, though.
[22:13] <DanaG> And I still get no notification of brightness changes.
[22:14] <yofel> me neither, but at least it works again
[22:14] <yofel> before the kde beta any brightness change seems to have hung dbus here
[22:15] <yofel> any notifications (hardware or sofware) would get delayed a lot
[22:15] <BUGabundo> anyone noticed the FUSA lost the Online icon ?
[22:15] <BUGabundo> now it's a stupid ballon
[22:15] <BUGabundo> no colors, no easy way to see the state ?
[22:16] <BUGabundo> plus it doesn't always set the same status in pidgin
[22:16] <yofel> BUGabundo: wasn't that just the human theme?
[22:16] <BUGabundo> not using Human
[22:16]  * BUGabundo ducks
[22:16] <yofel> hm...
[22:17] <yofel> well, it always pops up when disconnected or doing something
[22:17] <DanaG> oh yeah, and gnome-shell won't start -- says I'm missing clutter.
[22:19] <bjsnider> gnome-shell needs mutter, which needs clutter
[22:19] <bjsnider> libmutter and libclutter need to be installed
[22:20] <DanaG> they ARE.
[22:20] <bjsnider> there might be an api mismatch or whatever
[22:21] <DanaG> http://pastebin.com/f4297e4c0
[22:21] <bjsnider> i hate the way they freeze things to do alpha/beta releases
[22:21] <bjsnider> waste of time
[22:21] <bjsnider> huge waste of time
[22:43] <DanaG> yay, notify-osd:
[22:43] <DanaG> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UU7aNOaUZfE
[22:43] <DanaG> it's not that bad anymore, but the suckiness of the synchronous notification idea, still applies.
[22:44] <hdtdi> is ubuntu 10 avaliable?
[22:44] <SwedeMike> hdtdi: depends on your definition of available.
[22:44] <knue> just installed nvidia glx by hand
[22:44] <knue> kde4 is now rocking
[22:44] <knue> 4.4
[22:45] <yofel> knue: I got 195 from a ppa, works nice so far
[22:45] <maxb> It also depends on your definition of Ubuntu 10. Most people would say there's no such thing
[22:45] <hdtdi> SwedeMike, someone said its " ubuntu 10 is there but its alpha" i wanted to ask what does alpha mean
[22:45] <yofel> (there was a forum thread about nvidia)
[22:45] <knue> 190.42 is my version
[22:45] <knue> yofel: where do i get the ppa?
[22:45] <yofel> hdtdi: still in heavy development
[22:45] <SwedeMike> hdtdi: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_release_life_cycle
[22:46] <DanaG> !alpha
[22:46] <knue> yofel: do have this bug: whe loggin in to kdm the fist time kdm restarts, the second time it works. same probl for other WMs
[22:47] <yofel> knue: not here, but I switched to gdm since kdm takes too long to load
[22:47] <yofel> knue: the form thread btw. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1348784
[22:48] <knue> yofel: on myl stable karmic machine I use auto-login + the kdebugdialog-deselect-all-trick. The loggins are blazing fast now
[22:49] <DanaG> kdebugdialog-deselect-all?
[22:49] <DanaG> oh, kdebugdialog.
[22:49] <DanaG> interesting.
[22:49] <DanaG> what does that do?  disable the gdb hooks?
[22:50] <knue> DanaG: disables much terminal output.
[22:50] <DanaG> ah.
[22:50] <knue> just run kdebugdialog
[22:50] <DanaG> I hope it'll still leave me with the gdb debugger thingy.
[22:50] <DanaG> krunner and plasma-desktop keep crashing all the time.
[22:51] <knue> this has nothing to do with gdb. just debug output
[22:51]  * DanaG reboots just for the heck of it.
[22:51] <knue> and you can turn it on again
[23:07]  * charlie-tca waves at BUGabundo 
[23:07] <BUGabundo> hey charlie-tca
[23:07] <BUGabundo> have  a quick question for you
[23:07] <charlie-tca> go ahead
[23:08] <BUGabundo> need to make a livecd/liveusb/VB image of xubuntu
[23:08] <BUGabundo> with a few packages changed
[23:08] <BUGabundo> basicly include Android SDK
[23:08] <charlie-tca> huh?
[23:08] <charlie-tca> ok...
[23:08] <BUGabundo> to allow ppl easy access to the SDK
[23:09] <BUGabundo> from any PC.
[23:09] <charlie-tca> vinnl is pretty good at that kind of thing
[23:09] <BUGabundo> any tips on how to do that?
[23:09] <BUGabundo> vinnl?
[23:09] <BUGabundo> 1st time I read that
[23:09] <charlie-tca> I have never done it. He maintains a xubuntu blog
[23:10] <charlie-tca> http://xubuntublog.wordpress.com/2008/11/07/ubuntu-from-your-flash-drive-easier-than-ever-before/
[23:10] <charlie-tca> He seems to work with that stuff more than me. He hangs out in #xubuntu sometimes.
[23:13] <charlie-tca> if you get a chance to chat with him, tell him I sent you
[23:13] <BUGabundo> okay
[23:13] <BUGabundo> after so many releases
[23:13] <BUGabundo> one would expect a ONE click tool to make personalizes bootable images
[23:13] <charlie-tca> I think Karmic has one
[23:14] <BUGabundo> no
[23:14] <BUGabundo> karmic an usb-creator
[23:14] <BUGabundo> AFAIK
[23:14] <charlie-tca> hmmm
[23:14] <charlie-tca> I try not to make any
[23:14] <xguru> nice topic, what was changed in the system to break gfx and xorg?
[23:16] <yofel> xguru: new  Xorg
[23:16] <yofel> wants to remove the proprietary gfx packages
[23:17] <xguru> see what happens?  a person takes some time away and they miss the obvious.
[23:17] <xguru> that seems like a minor issue
[23:17] <DanaG> I ain't usin' "radeon" driver until I can get some power savings.
[23:20] <DanaG> Big blocker that prevents me from using xfce: no gvfs!  grr!
[23:21] <xguru> DanaG: enlightenment?
[23:22] <DanaG> what about it?
[23:25] <xguru> lightweight, gfx, and shouldn't drain ur power
[23:29] <bjsnider> of course he could just use a black screen with a blinking cursor
[23:29] <DanaG> Naw, blinking drains at least a smidgeon of power.
[23:29] <DanaG> =þ
[23:31] <bjsnider> just installt he kernel by itself with bash
[23:32] <DanaG> naw, how about just emacs?  (not that I know how to use emacs)
[23:32] <bjsnider> sure. awesome computer
[23:33] <bjsnider> roll your own kernel with only the drivers for your laptop and nothing else
[23:33] <bjsnider> that shouldn't use very much power