[20:09] xorg says it loads the fglrxdrm, fails to load the ati and then loads vesa [20:13] well, I'll give the radeon driver another try [20:13] not happy with the macos? === BiosElement__ is now known as BiosElement [20:34] argh, radeonhd is old, basically... use radeon, instead! [20:34] WHY, oh why, do people still use radeonhd? [20:34] (Aside from the very specific case of hdmi audio) [20:38] whats the status of alpha 1? [20:42] CosmiChaos: X: read topic. Kubuntu: kde beta packages still not ready for upgrades [20:43] hm.. when I only add a device section to xorg.conf start of X fails due to "low resolution". [20:43] i always prefered gnome ;) [20:43] only works again if I delete the xorg.conf again [20:44] CosmiChaos: well, I'm a kde guy, dunno about gnome, but I think gnome is pretty stable right now [20:44] sounds nice [20:45] i read about performance lossen on new kernel due to ext4 probs [20:46] well, according to phoronix, lucid is pretty slow, but at least for me it works fine [20:46] well, most of the time [20:49] any suggestions to get radeon driver working? [20:49] instead of vesa? [20:50] kde4 has broken power management, for me. [20:50] No brightness hotkeys, for one. [20:51] It also ignores power button, sleep button, and display-switch button. [20:51] And lock-workstation button. [21:03] * David-T convinces WoW to run [21:03] ok, i'm happy. lucid is ready for release now :) === niekie_ is now known as niekie [21:20] for those who didn't notice yet, new flash 64bit availible :P [21:22] cool [21:22] i'll have to go grab it [21:24] Shockwave Flash 10.0 r42 :D [21:25] where do you see it? [21:26] the about:plugins website :P === mphill_ is now known as mphill_pissed === mphill_pissed is now known as mphill_ [21:34] well in synaptic you can see it too [21:35] nice that fixed my lagg from closing fullscreen shockwave vids/apps [21:41] CosmiChaos: the 64bit version isn't in repo's [21:47] ehm no im with amd64 ??? [21:48] Adobe Flash Player plugin installer (transitional package) [21:48] well actually i not updated sources to lynx a await alpha1 [21:49] dupondje, [21:49] the karmic 64 is there [21:53] CosmiChaos: there is a package indeed [21:54] but its a 32bit flashplugin with ndpluginwrapper [21:56] grr, kde power managemnt does not work. [21:56] More specifically, sleep, lock-screen, and brightness hotkeys don't work. [21:56] hm [21:57] at least the pluxinwrapper is 64bit [22:01] DanaG: here hotkey's don't work too, but I'm not sure if that's the fault of KDE, X or the kernel [22:01] since I can't find any reference that a key was pressed anywhere [22:03] open a console and run 'xev' [22:03] you'll see that the keypresses show up un-grabbed. [22:03] I must say how I LOVE the way Kmail uses notify-osd :DDDD [22:04] I must say I hate notify-osd. [22:04] press a volume-control key, and the change doesn't happen until the notification appears? [22:04] that's really bad design. [22:05] I say, change should be instant, and if the notification takes a while, then so be it. [22:06] DanaG: or do it over flash Full screen and it comes out [22:06] That's the fault of Flash, though. [22:06] Happens with the KDE OSD, too. [22:06] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/notify-osd/+bug/367049 [22:06] Ubuntu bug 367049 in notify-osd "notify-osd is losing performance" [Low,In progress] [22:07] DanaG: what's supposed to happen in xev? I don't see anything [22:08] hover over the window and press the special key. [22:08] nothing [22:08] hmm. [22:09] I'll try it with any older kernel later [22:09] For me, the keycodes come through. [22:09] What SHOULD happen, and happens in gnome: I get a notify of some sort. [22:11] hmm, I see plymouth in the repos, but it takes out usplash and {,k}ubuntu-desktop [22:11] urgh, when I open the power profiles list in the battery applet menu they go BELOW the 'Hibernate' button [22:12] well, they still depend on usplash so that's to be expected [22:12] yofel: same here. [22:12] I've just gone to running gnome-power-manager under kde. [22:13] Had to disable the powerdevil part of kded, though. [22:13] And I still get no notification of brightness changes. [22:14] me neither, but at least it works again [22:14] before the kde beta any brightness change seems to have hung dbus here [22:15] any notifications (hardware or sofware) would get delayed a lot [22:15] anyone noticed the FUSA lost the Online icon ? [22:15] now it's a stupid ballon [22:15] no colors, no easy way to see the state ? [22:16] plus it doesn't always set the same status in pidgin [22:16] BUGabundo: wasn't that just the human theme? [22:16] not using Human [22:16] * BUGabundo ducks [22:16] hm... [22:17] well, it always pops up when disconnected or doing something [22:17] oh yeah, and gnome-shell won't start -- says I'm missing clutter. [22:19] gnome-shell needs mutter, which needs clutter [22:19] libmutter and libclutter need to be installed [22:20] they ARE. [22:20] there might be an api mismatch or whatever [22:21] http://pastebin.com/f4297e4c0 [22:21] i hate the way they freeze things to do alpha/beta releases [22:21] waste of time [22:21] huge waste of time [22:43] yay, notify-osd: [22:43] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UU7aNOaUZfE [22:43] it's not that bad anymore, but the suckiness of the synchronous notification idea, still applies. [22:44] is ubuntu 10 avaliable? [22:44] hdtdi: depends on your definition of available. [22:44] just installed nvidia glx by hand [22:44] kde4 is now rocking [22:44] 4.4 [22:45] knue: I got 195 from a ppa, works nice so far [22:45] It also depends on your definition of Ubuntu 10. Most people would say there's no such thing [22:45] SwedeMike, someone said its " ubuntu 10 is there but its alpha" i wanted to ask what does alpha mean [22:45] (there was a forum thread about nvidia) [22:45] 190.42 is my version [22:45] yofel: where do i get the ppa? [22:45] hdtdi: still in heavy development [22:45] hdtdi: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_release_life_cycle [22:46] !alpha [22:46] yofel: do have this bug: whe loggin in to kdm the fist time kdm restarts, the second time it works. same probl for other WMs [22:47] knue: not here, but I switched to gdm since kdm takes too long to load [22:47] knue: the form thread btw. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1348784 [22:48] yofel: on myl stable karmic machine I use auto-login + the kdebugdialog-deselect-all-trick. The loggins are blazing fast now [22:49] kdebugdialog-deselect-all? [22:49] oh, kdebugdialog. [22:49] interesting. [22:49] what does that do? disable the gdb hooks? [22:50] DanaG: disables much terminal output. [22:50] ah. [22:50] just run kdebugdialog [22:50] I hope it'll still leave me with the gdb debugger thingy. [22:50] krunner and plasma-desktop keep crashing all the time. [22:51] this has nothing to do with gdb. just debug output [22:51] * DanaG reboots just for the heck of it. [22:51] and you can turn it on again === BUGabundo1 is now known as BUGabundo === BUGabundo1 is now known as BUGabundo [23:07] * charlie-tca waves at BUGabundo [23:07] hey charlie-tca [23:07] have a quick question for you [23:07] go ahead [23:08] need to make a livecd/liveusb/VB image of xubuntu [23:08] with a few packages changed [23:08] basicly include Android SDK [23:08] huh? [23:08] ok... [23:08] to allow ppl easy access to the SDK [23:09] from any PC. [23:09] vinnl is pretty good at that kind of thing [23:09] any tips on how to do that? [23:09] vinnl? [23:09] 1st time I read that [23:09] I have never done it. He maintains a xubuntu blog [23:10] http://xubuntublog.wordpress.com/2008/11/07/ubuntu-from-your-flash-drive-easier-than-ever-before/ [23:10] He seems to work with that stuff more than me. He hangs out in #xubuntu sometimes. === Dink|W is now known as Dink [23:13] if you get a chance to chat with him, tell him I sent you [23:13] okay [23:13] after so many releases [23:13] one would expect a ONE click tool to make personalizes bootable images [23:13] I think Karmic has one [23:14] no [23:14] karmic an usb-creator [23:14] AFAIK [23:14] hmmm [23:14] I try not to make any [23:14] nice topic, what was changed in the system to break gfx and xorg? [23:16] xguru: new Xorg [23:16] wants to remove the proprietary gfx packages [23:17] see what happens? a person takes some time away and they miss the obvious. [23:17] that seems like a minor issue [23:17] I ain't usin' "radeon" driver until I can get some power savings. [23:20] Big blocker that prevents me from using xfce: no gvfs! grr! [23:21] DanaG: enlightenment? [23:22] what about it? [23:25] lightweight, gfx, and shouldn't drain ur power [23:29] of course he could just use a black screen with a blinking cursor [23:29] Naw, blinking drains at least a smidgeon of power. [23:29] =þ [23:31] just installt he kernel by itself with bash [23:32] naw, how about just emacs? (not that I know how to use emacs) [23:32] sure. awesome computer [23:33] roll your own kernel with only the drivers for your laptop and nothing else [23:33] that shouldn't use very much power