[00:06] <chrisccoulson> congrats charles :)
[02:59] <nigel_nb> dtchen: how do i know from Card1.Amixer.values.txt whether sound is mute?
[03:03] <dtchen> nigel_nb: you read the mute/cap field
[03:03] <nigel_nb> thanks  :)
[03:03] <dtchen> I hope that isn't too vague
[03:03] <dtchen> I can't tell these days whether I'm assuming too much, since I've been at this stuff over a decade
[03:05] <nigel_nb> that one's not my cup of tea
[03:05] <dtchen> which "one"?
[03:05] <nigel_nb> the report is that reduction in volume not permanent in pulseaudio
[03:05] <nigel_nb> bug 491704
[03:05] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 491704 in pulseaudio "Sound volume is max on startup even when set to less " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/491704
[03:06] <dtchen> I think I've just asked for more info
[03:06] <dtchen> all bugs are the same -- not enough info
[03:06] <dtchen> that means we need to extend the apport hook, probably
[03:07] <nigel_nb> this one had info, you asked for something about ~/.asoundrc*
[03:07] <nigel_nb> :)
[03:07] <nigel_nb> u added just after I started seeing the page
[03:07] <dtchen> yes, because either/both /etc/asound.conf or/and ~/.asoundrc will preempt pulse
[03:08] <dtchen> this is due to the compatibility added back to retain ALSA precedence
[03:08] <nigel_nb> oh
[03:08] <nigel_nb> sound is still greek and latin to me :(
[03:08] <dtchen> I could remove that compatibility and break the expected, historical behavior of alsa-lib
[03:08] <dtchen> or I could retain that compatibility and face these sorts of bugs
[03:09] <nigel_nb> but breaking the historical behavior means a lot of people become lost?
[03:09] <dtchen> heh, this was an intrepid SRU
[03:09] <nigel_nb> as to how to fix and stuff like that
[03:09] <dtchen> nigel_nb: it would break people's installs that rely solely on ALSA (without PA)
[03:09] <hggdh> hey micahg, what is the PPA for the mozillateam?
[03:09] <micahg> hggdh: which one?
[03:10] <nigel_nb> dtchen: oh :)
[03:10] <hggdh> for thnderbird?
[03:10] <micahg> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/ppa
[03:10] <dtchen> again, if we didn't have this horrendous split between Ubuntu and Xubuntu/Kubuntu, it would be easier
[03:10] <micahg> hggdh: for TB3?
[03:10] <micahg> hggdh: we only have dailies right now
[03:10] <hggdh> dailies would be good ;-)
[03:11] <micahg> hggdh: I built the just before release version in my ppa if you want
[03:12] <hggdh> cool -- but fta published today a new daily also. Same?
[03:12] <micahg> hggdh: dailies have been tracking 3.0.1 for a couple weeks
[03:13] <micahg> this was the last RC that I just built
[03:13] <hggdh> ppa:micahg/ppa?
[03:13] <micahg> hggdh: no, ppa:micahg/mozilla-beta
[03:14] <hggdh> thanks
[03:14] <nigel_nb> hggdh: fixed my first bug :)
[03:15] <hggdh> great nigel_nb !
[03:15] <nigel_nb> of course, I got help, but it was fun :) I learned how to deal with that one
[03:16]  * micahg realizes that more people are going to be asking about TB3 soon :)
[03:16]  * hggdh bets on it
[03:16] <micahg> hggdh: you were number 3 I think
[03:16] <hggdh> :-)
[03:16] <nigel_nb> I saw a couple of people talking about it
[03:17] <hggdh> been thinking about it for a while (I mean TB itself); when Evo purged all my accounts from gconf I decided it was time to try
[03:17] <hggdh> now, I am curious if TB3 will be better than TB2
[03:18] <hggdh> nigel_nb: which bug?
[03:20] <nigel_nb> bug 351509
[03:20] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 351509 in vm-builder "vmbuilder should provide an option to choose which libvirt virtual network" [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/351509
[03:20] <nigel_nb> I just did it
[03:21] <nigel_nb> maco___ helped me with it (actually gave me step-by-step instructions)
[03:22] <nigel_nb> but anything similar I can handle it I think :)
[03:23] <hggdh> nigel_nb: and you told me you did not do python ;-)
[03:24] <nigel_nb> hggdh: I didnt code
[03:24] <nigel_nb> there was a diff attached
[03:24] <nigel_nb> I got it packaged
[03:24] <hggdh> ah, OK.
[03:24] <nigel_nb> it was a low-hanging fruit :)
[03:24] <nigel_nb> and I plucked it :P
[03:25] <hggdh> nevertheless -- great work! first ever bug resolved, and getting also a debdiff accepted!
[03:25] <hggdh> (it took me 2 years to propose my first debdiff)
[03:25] <nigel_nb> oh
[03:26] <hggdh> well, to tell the truth, I did not have the time to invest then. But still
[03:26] <hggdh> hell, I do not have the time now, I should be getting ready to sleep!
[03:26] <nigel_nb> hehe, then go to bed :)
[03:27] <hggdh> heh. not yet, not yet... when I am in a hotel, I get insomnia
[03:29] <nigel_nb> hotel, wassup?
[03:29] <nigel_nb> work?
[03:30] <hggdh> yes. One *has* to work.
[03:30] <hggdh> and, as luck would have it, pretty much all my contracts are anywhere but home
[03:31] <hggdh> micahg: TB3.1 looks interesting. Really
[03:31] <micahg> I haven't tried 3.1 yet
[03:32] <nigel_nb> hggdh: ah.  Been busy the whole day with User Day stuff
[03:32] <hggdh> micahg, I am not sure this is what you had in your PPA, I just grabbed the highest version I found on synaptic
[03:33] <micahg> hggdh: you must have had the mozilla daily ppa enabled
[03:47] <shengie> Ubuntu rdesktop is buggy for me.  There's a patch that whacks the keyboard in ubuntu, not accompanied with rdesktop.sourceforge.net
[03:47] <shengie> I reported a bug once (I thought) but no resolution.
[03:48] <micahg> shengie: bug #?
[03:48] <shengie> Lemme search...
[03:51] <shengie> argh, I don't see one I submitted.
[03:51] <shengie> There are similar bugs reported/open
[03:52] <shengie> maybe I didn't report one, because I needed a fix, which entailed compiling rdesktop.sourceforge.net
[03:53] <malev> hi, I'm new at the team bugsquad! And I'm reading the documentation in the wiki. Where can I see at the bugs lists?
[03:53] <shengie> There's a patch being applied by Ubuntu which breaks caps-lock and the numberpad.
[03:54] <micahg> shengie: well, you can file a bug and submit a patch to fix the patch or a replacement for it
[03:56] <shengie> Actually, I need the patch ubuntu applies (for who knows what reason) to be removed.
[03:56] <shengie> from the rdesktop code.
[03:57] <shengie> That's why I'm here, I don't know how to go about requesting it, but I suppose a bug-report is a good place to start.
[03:57] <shengie> Thanks
[03:58] <micahg> shengie: yes, file a bug, explain which patch is problematic
[03:58] <micahg> shengie: ubuntu-bug rdesktop
[03:58] <hggdh> malev: did you read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs ?
[04:03] <malev> hggdh, yes, i read that
[04:03] <malev> I also read the faq and a class from pedro
[04:03] <malev> and some other things too :D
[04:04] <hggdh> malev: OK. So, how can I help you?
[04:05] <malev> hggdh, i wanted to know where can i found the list of bugs, you know, to start checking then
[04:07] <hggdh> malev: on bugs.launchpad.net -- try https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.searchtext=&search=Search+Bug+Reports&field.scope=project&field.scope.target=ubuntu
[04:08] <hggdh> any bug with status NEW, or (perhaps) INCOMPLETE, is usually fair game
[04:08] <malev> excelent! thanks
[04:08] <malev> when i find something new, i'm gonna come to ask here :D
[04:08] <hggdh> malev: if you have doubts on what do to, please ask
[04:09] <malev> hggdh, i will! don't worry
[04:22] <hggdh> well, this is it for tonight. G'night all
[08:02] <micahg> mr_pouit: do you have a bug # for the battery issue?
[08:05] <mr_pouit> micahg: no, I just noticed & fixed it when merging from debian testing in lucid.
[08:05] <micahg> ok, if you want, I can make the patch
[08:05] <mr_pouit> to sum up: battery notifications lack an icon on karmic
[08:07] <mr_pouit> if you want to update your debdiff, just take the patch xubuntu-notification-something (don't remember the exact name) from lucid.
[08:08] <micahg> ok, I'll build a test package and test in karmic before updating
[08:09] <mr_pouit> nice, thanks.
[08:14] <micahg> mr_pouit: is the test case in each bug, or all in one?
[08:21] <mr_pouit> for the missing icons? Usually, it's better with one issue per bug.
[08:21] <micahg> ok, so the debdiff goes in one, but the test case in each bug separately
[08:22] <micahg> ugh, this should be in -motu I think...
[08:24] <mr_pouit> ah, nevermind
[08:24] <mr_pouit> yeah, it's ok
[08:25] <micahg> ok
[08:49] <mr_pouit> micahg: thanks for the test case. Isn't "4.5. restart xfce4-power-manager" needed?
[08:49] <micahg> mr_pouit: yes, nice catch :)
[08:50] <micahg> mr_pouit: fixed...was thinking of my other case where it quits
[08:51] <micahg> I'm waiting for i386 to publish before I attach the debdiff
[09:09] <^arky^> hi
[09:10] <micahg> hi ^arky^
[09:14] <^arky^> how are you micahg ?
[09:14] <micahg> mr_pouit: do I have to do anything else to test this...it didn't work
[09:14] <micahg> ^arky^: fine
[09:15] <mr_pouit> micahg: icons are still missing?
[09:15] <micahg> mr_pouit: yep, did it work on lucid...did you restart in between?
[09:15] <micahg> I quit before the upgrade
[09:15] <micahg> does OSD need a restart?
[09:15] <mr_pouit> no, only xfce4-power-manager afaik
[09:16] <micahg> mr_pouit: didn't work for me...
[09:16] <mr_pouit> do you have 'notify-osd-icons' package installed?
[09:16] <micahg> yep, 0.3
[09:17] <mr_pouit> mmh, weird
[09:17] <micahg> do you want to try the package?
[09:18] <mr_pouit> yeah, why not
[09:19] <micahg> ppa:micahg/sru-test
[09:22] <mr_pouit> interesting
[09:22] <mr_pouit> works here ^^'
[09:23] <micahg> weird
[09:23] <micahg> let me try quitting again
[09:24]  * micahg has the brightness plugin, I wonder if that's affecting it
[09:24] <^arky^> micahg: Changed Importance of bug 491327 to critical , hope that's right thing to do since it breaks gnome a11y completely
[09:24] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 491327 in at-spi "No module named pyatspi" [Critical,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/491327
[09:25] <micahg> ^arky^: you still haven't found someone for that
[09:25] <micahg> mr_pouit: it's supposed to be in the notification itself, right?
[09:26] <mr_pouit> micahg: yes, the icon on the left, the text on the right
[09:27] <micahg> mr_pouit: i don't see it, and I didn't see one from pidgin either
[09:27] <^arky^> micahg: I tried Luke the maintainer of the package and on a11y list , no luck
[09:28] <mr_pouit> maybe something related to your icon theme... I don't really know :/
[09:28] <micahg> mr_pouit: is this something that needs to be figured out before the SRU?
[09:31] <mr_pouit> well, I would be more confident if someone else could follow the test case and confirm. Otherwise, I may be the only one to see the improvement, which isn't very good ^^
[14:23] <rob0917> I'm not very technical but how can I help?
[15:09] <bddebian> Boo
[15:12] <malev> ahh
[17:37] <nperry> bug 494608
[17:37] <ubot4> nperry: Bug 494608 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/494608 is private
[17:38] <nperry> Could somone double check this bug, and make public?
[18:42] <Dakon> hi ;)
[18:42] <Dakon> I would like to help with bug 470695 in case anyone is interested
[18:42] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 470695 in kdeutils "Kgpg doesn't run by default" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/470695
[18:45] <Dakon> this is most likely either just the KGpg icon hidden in systray (because KGpg is inactive)
[18:45] <Dakon> or this one https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=198483
[18:45] <ubot4> KDE bug 198483 in general "No system tray icon for KGpg after "Close" button is clicked" [Normal,Assigned]
[18:46] <Dakon> the hidden thing is explained in comment #2 there
[19:15] <yofel> can someone set bug 494643 to triaged? thanks
[19:15] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 494643 in kdebase "No kcm_phonon in kdebase-runtime after upgrade to 4.4-beta1" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/494643
[19:21] <micahg> pedro_: sorry...that was a silly mistake :)
[19:22] <pedro_> micahg, no worries, the name leads to the confusion :-)
[20:46] <aergasdf> someone there?
[20:49] <davmor2> no
[20:49] <aergasdf> okey
[20:49] <aergasdf> last hope
[20:50] <aergasdf> i have a bug in a game
[20:50] <aergasdf> after a time the sound just stops
[20:50] <aergasdf> this bug is since dist upgrate
[20:51] <davmor2> aergasdf: is a bug with the game and pulse audio
[20:51] <aergasdf> so i have to downgrade pusaudio?
[20:52] <davmor2> what game is it?
[20:52] <aergasdf> heroes of newerth
[20:55] <aergasdf> so?
[20:56] <davmor2> aergasdf: pass, I just know what is causing it :)
[20:57] <aergasdf> what?
[20:57] <aergasdf> come on^^
[20:57] <aergasdf> its a mod of savage2
[20:58] <davmor2> aergasdf: you might want to try on #ubuntu for general help.  As I say I know the cause but not the remedy
[21:01] <aergasdf> warning: The VAD has been replaced by a hack pending a complete rewrite
[21:01] <aergasdf> does this help???
[21:04] <gnomefreak> what package controls system beep? i am looking for package to file bug against