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| zul | gday | 13:54 |
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| sommer | yo | 13:55 |
| jjohansen | morning | 13:57 |
| smoser | \o | 14:00 |
| ttx | o/ | 14:00 |
| jjohansen | here | 14:00 |
| ttx | zul, soren: ? | 14:01 |
| zul | hello | 14:01 |
| ScottK | \o | 14:01 |
| ttx | Lots of absence today, let's get started | 14:01 |
| zul | must be the snow | 14:02 |
| ttx | #startmeeting | 14:02 |
| MootBot | Meeting started at 08:02. The chair is ttx. | 14:02 |
| MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 14:02 |
| ttx | Welcome to the server team meeting ! | 14:02 |
| ttx | Agenda at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Meeting | 14:02 |
| ttx | [TOPIC] Scribe assignment | 14:02 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Scribe assignment | 14:02 |
| ttx | This is about who should write the meeting minutes. | 14:03 |
| ttx | Our new beloved leader wants to: | 14:03 |
| ttx | * Share the burden | 14:03 |
| ttx | * Shared responsibility | 14:03 |
| ttx | * Visibility in the community | 14:03 |
| alexm | o/ | 14:04 |
| ttx | so we'll rotate every week between the server team engineers so that everyone gets a chance | 14:04 |
| Daviey | \o | 14:04 |
| ttx | alphabetically | 14:04 |
| ttx | I'll start this week | 14:04 |
| zul | umm...alphabetically by irc nick right? | 14:04 |
| * soren is here now | 14:04 | |
| ttx | zul: yes | 14:05 |
| Daviey | "gets a chance" = "gets lumbered" | 14:05 |
| zul | ttx: sweet ;) | 14:05 |
| ttx | Daviey: right :) | 14:06 |
| ttx | So next week is ... zul | 14:06 |
| zul | *sigh* | 14:06 |
| ttx | For refernce, the process is explained at: | 14:06 |
| * smoser plans on playing irc name musical chairs around hist turn | 14:06 | |
| ttx | [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/KnowledgeBase#Team%20policy | 14:06 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/KnowledgeBase#Team%20policy | 14:06 |
| ttx | zul: you'll need to get access to the ubuntuserver blog, mathiaz can help | 14:07 |
| zul | k | 14:07 |
| ttx | yeepee, let's move on. | 14:07 |
| ttx | (note: our beloved leader is not part of the rotation) | 14:07 |
| ttx | [TOPIC] Review ACTION points from previous meeting | 14:08 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Review ACTION points from previous meeting | 14:08 |
| ttx | Only one action recorded: | 14:08 |
| ttx | ACTION: jos to find out the best time for the meeting | 14:08 |
| ttx | jos says: "Server meeting time to stay the same for at least the next month or two" | 14:08 |
| zul | yay | 14:09 |
| ttx | [TOPIC] Check blueprint status and progress for the week | 14:09 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Check blueprint status and progress for the week | 14:09 |
| ttx | If you're not bright green on the specs you're working on, please shout | 14:09 |
| ttx | http://piware.de/workitems/server/lucid-alpha2/report.html shows that we are somehow on track | 14:09 |
| MootBot | LINK received: http://piware.de/workitems/server/lucid-alpha2/report.html shows that we are somehow on track | 14:09 |
| * Daviey checks specs | 14:09 | |
| zul | landscape-refresh havent started yet | 14:10 |
| ttx | though moving 40 items from server to QA helped, obviously | 14:10 |
| ScottK | ttx: My mail integration spec still needs approval | 14:11 |
| * ScottK understands the desire for more use cases, but would like to get it marked approved. | 14:11 | |
| ttx | ScottK: hah. I remember reviewing it, so it must wait on Jos now -- checking | 14:11 |
| ScottK | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/server-lucid-more-mail-integration | 14:11 |
| ttx | ok, actioning Jos on this one | 14:12 |
| ttx | [ACTION] jos to review/approve https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/server-lucid-more-mail-integration | 14:12 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: jos to review/approve https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/server-lucid-more-mail-integration | 14:12 |
| ttx | everything else is non-blocked ? | 14:12 |
| ttx | sounds great. | 14:13 |
| ttx | [TOPIC] Alpha1 ISO testing | 14:13 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Alpha1 ISO testing | 14:13 |
| ttx | Fresh out of the oven, the alpha1 ISOs are waiting for you | 14:13 |
| ttx | http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/ubuntuserver/all | 14:14 |
| MootBot | LINK received: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/ubuntuserver/all | 14:14 |
| ttx | smoser: do we have blessed cloud images as well ? | 14:14 |
| smoser | there are lucid builds published | 14:14 |
| smoser | i will grab the ids' and get them onto iso tracker | 14:14 |
| soren | I'll be working on setting up automated tests of those over the next day or so. | 14:15 |
| smoser | http://uec-images.ubuntu.com/lucid/current/ | 14:15 |
| MootBot | LINK received: http://uec-images.ubuntu.com/lucid/current/ | 14:15 |
| soren | "those" == the iso tests | 14:15 |
| ttx | [ACTION] smoser to push cloud dailies to ISO tracker asap | 14:15 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: smoser to push cloud dailies to ISO tracker asap | 14:15 |
| ttx | I've already given the images a spin, they are reasonably usable | 14:16 |
| ttx | any question aboutthe ISo testing process ? | 14:16 |
| ttx | ... | 14:17 |
| ttx | alright then | 14:17 |
| ttx | [TOPIC] Assigned and to-be-assigned bugs | 14:17 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Assigned and to-be-assigned bugs | 14:17 |
| ttx | http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/team-assigned/canonical-server-assigned-bug-tasks.html | 14:17 |
| MootBot | LINK received: http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/team-assigned/canonical-server-assigned-bug-tasks.html | 14:17 |
| ttx | Still a lot of bugs assigned to zul and kirkland, more than you should be actively working on | 14:18 |
| zul | ttx: yeah ill have to go through that list | 14:18 |
| zul | the ntp one is actually one I opened | 14:19 |
| ttx | ok. Nothing assigned to the team that needs assignment. | 14:19 |
| ttx | Any flags needing to be raised ? | 14:19 |
| ttx | On bug 460085, I'm still waiting for the Eucalyptus team to comment on the rampart memleak proposed patch | 14:20 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 460085 in eucalyptus "memory leak; rampart_context not freed (memory leaked per connection)" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/460085 | 14:20 |
| ttx | moving on... | 14:20 |
| * ttx feels very lonely :) | 14:20 | |
| ttx | [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team | 14:20 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team | 14:20 |
| jjohansen | KSM has been turned on so you should see it in post A1 kernels | 14:21 |
| ttx | A new weekly topic, with our kernel team guest star | 14:21 |
| soren | jjohansen: Woo! | 14:21 |
| soren | jjohansen: Awesome. | 14:21 |
| ttx | jjohansen: it needs some userspace support, a little mouse told me | 14:21 |
| ttx | jjohansen: as in, new qemu-kvm | 14:21 |
| jjohansen | yes, | 14:22 |
| ttx | jjohansen: ok. kirkland is waiting for qemu-kvm 0.12 release, which should happen soon[tm] | 14:22 |
| jjohansen | user space has to use the madise system call to mark pages for sharing | 14:22 |
| soren | There's an RC of qemu-kvm 0.12 out, IIRC. | 14:22 |
| jjohansen | I still have to go through and update the EC2 configs to be more like virtual | 14:23 |
| jjohansen | any config requests? | 14:23 |
| soren | Yes. | 14:23 |
| soren | smoser: You wanted to try to avoid having a ramdisk at all, right? | 14:23 |
| smoser | yes... well, some people do | 14:24 |
| smoser | :) | 14:24 |
| jjohansen | yeah we will look at that | 14:24 |
| smoser | on e2 we have ramdisk-less images for lucid. they work. | 14:24 |
| soren | I've heard requests from other places for a statically compiled compiled (no modules, everything built in). | 14:24 |
| jjohansen | we also want to evaluate Hz | 14:24 |
| soren | Err... statically compiled kernel, I mean, of course. | 14:25 |
| smoser | i think that -virtual kernel should support all/all-reasonable disk drivers for root devices as built in | 14:25 |
| jjohansen | right, I think reasonable is the key here | 14:25 |
| smoser | i realize that -virutal is only a subset of -server so that might cause some grief. | 14:25 |
| soren | virtual is the subset of server that does not deal with specific physical hardware. | 14:26 |
| smoser | i suppose opening a bug is the appropriate action. i'll get one opened today. | 14:26 |
| smoser | soren, right, but it is a subset for modules. for the vmlinuz, its the same. | 14:26 |
| jjohansen | smoser: when you do subscribe me to it | 14:26 |
| soren | right. | 14:26 |
| smoser | so asking for additional stuff built in makes it bigger/affects othre things. | 14:26 |
| smoser | jjohansen, i'll do one better, and assign it to you :) | 14:26 |
| jjohansen | :) | 14:27 |
| ttx | Thanks John, and please come back next week for more work^H^H^H^Hfun with us ! | 14:27 |
| jjohansen | that is the plan | 14:27 |
| ttx | anything else for our kernel friends ? | 14:27 |
| ttx | ok, let's move to... | 14:28 |
| ttx | [TOPIC] Development sponsorship | 14:28 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Development sponsorship | 14:28 |
| ttx | So every server engineer with sponsorship capabilities should spend one hour a week sponsoring stuff | 14:29 |
| ttx | the easiest way to track that is to do it every week at a fixed time | 14:29 |
| ttx | and it's easy to combine it with https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/CodeReviews | 14:29 |
| ttx | so far, we can see soren and me on that table | 14:29 |
| * dholbach hugs all sponsors :) | 14:30 | |
| ttx | zul, kirkland, mathiaz: you should set an hour when you do code reviews and sponsoring stuff | 14:30 |
| ttx | our beloved leader says: "Server engineers to sign up" | 14:30 |
| zul | i do sponsorship and uploads for people but I dont have a set time | 14:31 |
| ttx | make a daniel happy, sign up :) | 14:31 |
| Daviey | Daniel is already too happy. | 14:31 |
| dholbach | :-) | 14:31 |
| ttx | zul: would it make sense for you to try to set a time ? that way you can do codereviews as well | 14:31 |
| dholbach | Daviey: WHAT? | 14:31 |
| dholbach | :) | 14:31 |
| ttx | Daviey: he can smile even more. | 14:32 |
| zul | ttx: sure | 14:32 |
| Daviey | \o/ | 14:32 |
| Daviey | ttx: Is this sponsor + review? | 14:32 |
| ttx | Daviey: well, I use the same hour to do both. | 14:32 |
| ttx | (though I admittedly overflow) | 14:33 |
| ttx | smoser: you're exempted from this one, you need to acquire uploading powers first | 14:33 |
| zul | would this apply to only server related packages or anything since the list on dholbach's list is sparse for server related packages | 14:33 |
| ttx | zul: no. We should sponsor anything | 14:34 |
| zul | ttx: gotcha | 14:34 |
| smoser | ttx, yes. i do need to acquire such deity-powers | 14:34 |
| Daviey | hmm.. ttx surely you don't need upload powers to review? :) | 14:34 |
| * zul suggests smoser should become a motu in his copious spare time | 14:34 | |
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| ttx | Daviey: smoser hates you now | 14:34 |
| Daviey | hah | 14:35 |
| ttx | next up is... | 14:35 |
| ttx | [TOPIC] Developer communication | 14:35 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Developer communication | 14:35 |
| smoser | its too bad, cause i actually enjoyed meeting daviey face to face but now i have to hate him :) | 14:35 |
| ttx | dholbach (again) updated the communication rules at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperCommunication | 14:35 |
| ttx | Please check them up | 14:36 |
| ttx | Communication is something easy to get wrong | 14:36 |
| ttx | dholbach: comments ? | 14:37 |
| ttx | I didn't see anything controversial in there | 14:37 |
| dholbach | ttx: the recent revisions of that page were a result from comments from our team mates | 14:37 |
| dholbach | so I tried to clarify what I could | 14:37 |
| dholbach | if you have more advice, feel free to add it | 14:37 |
| dholbach | that's all :) | 14:38 |
| ttx | rock on ! | 14:38 |
| ttx | [TOPIC] Soren's QA project for Alpha2 | 14:38 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Soren's QA project for Alpha2 | 14:38 |
| soren | Yay. | 14:38 |
| ttx | soren is exploring uncharted waters for us | 14:38 |
| ttx | could you introduce that ? | 14:39 |
| soren | So, until Alpha-2, I'm on the QA team, rather than the server team. | 14:39 |
| soren | I'm working on automating a lot of the testing we are (or rather should be) doing for servers. | 14:39 |
| ttx | soren: good, you are exampted from the scribe rotation until then. | 14:39 |
| soren | Whee! | 14:39 |
| soren | So far, I've enabled a few test suites in package builds. | 14:39 |
| soren | More of that to come. | 14:40 |
| ttx | (if my calculation is exact, you shouldn't miss your turn :) | 14:40 |
| soren | Also, I've set up kvm-autotest to do scripted, interactive testing. | 14:40 |
| ttx | soren: we still hope to get a server-oriented man in the QA team, he should followup on that work. | 14:40 |
| soren | Right now, I have a server install running on one of my servers. It waits for the screen to look a particular way, and then pretends to press keys and such to proceed with the installation. | 14:40 |
| soren | Right. | 14:41 |
| ScottK | ttx: Back on communication, I've not seen any announcement about the new Canonical server team lead. Perhaps I missed it. | 14:41 |
| soren | I've defined my work so that I'll be setting up the frameworks. | 14:41 |
| zul | it was done last week at the meeting | 14:41 |
| soren | KVM-autotest, PPA builds of server packages (to check that they keep building and their test suites keep passing), etc., etc. | 14:41 |
| ttx | zul: according to the doc he should have done the introduction on MLs | 14:41 |
| soren | ...and then the new Server QA person can fill in the blanks (create "step files" for kvm-autotest, etc) | 14:41 |
| ttx | ScottK: I pointed that to him already. | 14:42 |
| Daviey | Aww, give him a break - he's new :) | 14:42 |
| ttx | Shameless plug: http://webapps.ubuntu.com/employment/canonical_USQAE/ | 14:43 |
| ttx | for anyone interested ion following on soren's steps | 14:43 |
| ttx | Any question for soren ? | 14:43 |
| ttx | [TOPIC] Weekly SRU review | 14:44 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Weekly SRU review | 14:44 |
| ttx | zul: ^ | 14:44 |
| zul | sue | 14:44 |
| zul | http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-server-team/fixedbugs.ubuntu-server.latest.html | 14:44 |
| MootBot | LINK received: http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-server-team/fixedbugs.ubuntu-server.latest.html | 14:44 |
| zul | anyone nominate an SRU from that list? | 14:44 |
| ttx | The eucalyptus things are not SRU-worthy | 14:45 |
| ttx | we already went through those | 14:45 |
| zul | ok then | 14:45 |
| zul | anyone else? | 14:45 |
| ttx | bug 461156 is already nominated and i the queue to karmic-proposed | 14:45 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 461156 in eucalyptus "User data is not parsed correctly by Eucalyptus in some cases" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/461156 | 14:46 |
| ttx | waiting for SRU team processing | 14:46 |
| zul | there is nothing on the list of nominated bugs for hardy, dapper, intrepid,lucid and karmic | 14:46 |
| ttx | right. | 14:46 |
| zul | so next | 14:47 |
| zul | http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-server-team/acceptedbugs.ubuntu-server.latest.html | 14:47 |
| MootBot | LINK received: http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-server-team/acceptedbugs.ubuntu-server.latest.html | 14:47 |
| zul | the php and krb ones nominated last week i still have to get to | 14:47 |
| zul | is anyone else to test the racoon crashes on that list? | 14:48 |
| zul | anyone? | 14:48 |
| ttx | ... | 14:49 |
| zul | ok then moving on | 14:49 |
| zul | and there is nothing in the active code reviews either | 14:49 |
| ttx | ok, thanks zul | 14:49 |
| ttx | [TOPIC] Open Discussion | 14:49 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Open Discussion | 14:49 |
| ttx | anyone / anything ? | 14:50 |
| * ScottK wonders if the server team will be rewriting all their Python stuff in Perl now? | 14:50 | |
| ttx | ScottK: heh | 14:51 |
| Daviey | Can i remind everyone that submitting some server tips is helpful, rewarding and stops the kittens getting hurt. | 14:51 |
| ttx | ScottK: I don't intend to. | 14:51 |
| alexm | :D | 14:51 |
| zul | we are slowing converting jos to pyhton | 14:51 |
| ScottK | Excellent news. | 14:51 |
| Daviey | So everyone submit some tips pls :).. There will be metrics and a burn up chart. :) | 14:52 |
| Jeeves_ | Can I ask some attention for a annoying mysql bug here? | 14:52 |
| * erichammond starts his 17th year with Perl soon. | 14:52 | |
| Daviey | Jeeves_: ask in #ubuntu-server please | 14:52 |
| alexm | erichammond: ++ | 14:52 |
| * ttx started his 16th year with Perl a few weeks ago | 14:52 | |
| ttx | though I admit having left it out those last years | 14:53 |
| Daviey | * https://wiki.ubuntu.com/server-tips * --- New version should hit lucid this week, so get them in :) | 14:53 |
| * alexm will make 10 on march | 14:53 | |
| highvoltage | wow. | 14:53 |
| alexm | highvoltage: 10y with perl, not that i'm 10 :P | 14:54 |
| * erichammond can't subtract. starting 18th year soon. | 14:54 | |
| ttx | erichammond: substraction is the first skill you lose with age :P | 14:54 |
| zul | must be a perl bug | 14:55 |
| erichammond | heh. | 14:55 |
| * Daviey divides the topic by 0 | 14:55 | |
| ttx | zul: there are no bugs in perl, just features nobody understands | 14:55 |
| zul | lol | 14:55 |
| ttx | [TOPIC] Agree on next meeting date and time | 14:55 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Agree on next meeting date and time | 14:55 |
| ttx | next week, same place, same time | 14:55 |
| ttx | ? | 14:56 |
| Daviey | sounds good. | 14:56 |
| ttx | Alright, thanks everyone | 14:56 |
| ttx | #endmeeting | 14:56 |
| MootBot | Meeting finished at 08:56. | 14:56 |
| highvoltage | alexm: yep I grokked :) | 14:56 |
| alexm | :) | 14:56 |
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| * robbiew_ waves | 15:57 | |
| ev | hiya | 15:57 |
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| * robbiew forgot to change his nick an hour and a half ago :/ | 15:58 | |
| * robbiew also renames the Meeting wiki page to the RIGHT date :/ | 15:59 | |
| robbiew | geez | 15:59 |
| robbiew | #startmeeting | 16:00 |
| MootBot | Meeting started at 10:00. The chair is robbiew. | 16:00 |
| MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 16:00 |
| * lool o/ | 16:00 | |
| robbiew | [LINK]https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/Meetings/2009/1209 | 16:00 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/Meetings/2009/1209 | 16:00 |
| robbiew | hey lool...ev | 16:00 |
| tremolux | hiya | 16:00 |
| robbiew | slangasek: mvo: james_w Keybuk: cjwatson: around? | 16:01 |
| * barry | 16:01 | |
| * slangasek waves | 16:01 | |
| Keybuk | robbiew: no, not here ;) | 16:02 |
| robbiew | heh | 16:02 |
| cjwatson | hello | 16:02 |
| robbiew | [TOPIC] Outstanding actions from last meeting | 16:02 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Outstanding actions from last meeting | 16:02 |
| mvo | hey | 16:02 |
| robbiew | Colin to see if -Wa,-mimplicit-it=thumb fixes qt4-x11 problems on armel, and if not punt to mobile team / #ubuntu-arm | 16:02 |
| ScottK | cjwatson appears to have perhaps actually fixed it. | 16:03 |
| ScottK | (action is definitely done) | 16:03 |
| robbiew | ;) | 16:03 |
| cjwatson | yeah, I got a full build on jocote | 16:03 |
| robbiew | thanks ScottK...and hello :) | 16:03 |
| ScottK | Hello | 16:03 |
| cjwatson | fixed by using the armv6 asm already in the qt4-x11 tree | 16:03 |
| * Keybuk resists any comments about -funroll-loops | 16:04 | |
| james_w | hi | 16:04 |
| cjwatson | -Larry -Wall | 16:04 |
| robbiew | heh | 16:04 |
| cjwatson | (was always my favourite set of compiler options) | 16:04 |
| robbiew | [TOPIC] Alpha 1 Features | 16:05 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Alpha 1 Features | 16:05 |
| robbiew | only see two | 16:05 |
| doko__ | hi | 16:05 |
| robbiew | boot-experience work | 16:05 |
| robbiew | which is plymouth going into the archive | 16:05 |
| robbiew | and that's done | 16:05 |
| Keybuk | robbiew: that's retroactively changing the definition | 16:05 |
| Keybuk | that's cheating ;) | 16:05 |
| doko__ | cjwatson: the work arounds shouldn't be needed anymore, -mimplicit-it=thumb is now passed by default | 16:05 |
| robbiew | it's good to be the king ;) | 16:05 |
| Keybuk | let's be honest and say that we got most of the way there, but didn't actually get it on the CD :) | 16:05 |
| cjwatson | plymouth's only in universe too ... | 16:05 |
| robbiew | true | 16:06 |
| cjwatson | doko__: we didn't need implicit-it in the end | 16:06 |
| Keybuk | (because Keybuk's eyes exploded last week) | 16:06 |
| robbiew | and removes ubuntu-desktop if installed | 16:06 |
| cjwatson | doko__: that was a red herring | 16:06 |
| Shezif | Is that the meeting about the new alpha? | 16:06 |
| doko__ | your majesty, may I still call you robbiew ;p | 16:06 |
| robbiew | heh | 16:06 |
| cjwatson | Shezif: this is the foundations team meeting | 16:06 |
| Shezif | cjwatson, OK thanks | 16:06 |
| cjwatson | Shezif: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/Meetings/2009/1209 | 16:07 |
| robbiew | Keybuk: as I understand it though..it will be pushed post alpha1 freeze...right? ;) | 16:07 |
| robbiew | so updates will pull it in | 16:07 |
| Keybuk | robbiew: yes | 16:07 |
| robbiew | great | 16:08 |
| * robbiew nees his story straight, in case certain people ask ;) | 16:08 | |
| robbiew | cjwatson: ubiquity-auto-upgrade is done....I assume | 16:09 |
| * robbiew didn't know about it...or forgot about it | 16:09 | |
| * Keybuk wonders whether he can legitimately claim to have tested the CD image for automatic partitioning | 16:09 | |
| ev | lol | 16:10 |
| cjwatson | robbiew: yes, if you boot a current desktop install you'll see an "Update this installer" button | 16:10 |
| cjwatson | Mark asked for that around the karmic release, so I decided to dust off the work that had already been done :) | 16:11 |
| barry | mvo: probably call between mpt, mvo, sinzui at the least. i'm happy to sit in too | 16:16 |
| robbiew | mvo: +1 | 16:16 |
| robbiew | +100 :) | 16:16 |
| mvo | ok, I will arrange something | 16:16 |
| * mvo assumes he can use robbiew conf code? | 16:16 | |
| barry | mvo: thanks | 16:16 |
| robbiew | mvo: hmm | 16:16 |
| robbiew | depends when the call is ;) | 16:16 |
| cjwatson | you can use mine, if robbiew's is busy | 16:16 |
| mvo | thanks | 16:16 |
| cjwatson | /msg me for the pin | 16:16 |
| robbiew | mvo: with my new duties...that's probably better | 16:16 |
| robbiew | ;) | 16:16 |
| mvo | right | 16:16 |
| robbiew | mvo: thanks | 16:16 |
| robbiew | ev: what's going on with the spec for foundations-lucid-installer-design-improvements | 16:17 |
| robbiew | I see some TODOs..and some notes at the bottom of the spec | 16:17 |
| ev | robbiew: I talked to Ivanka and Michael about that this morning. I need to send Michael an email about creating that mock up. | 16:18 |
| robbiew | okay...well she's the approver now | 16:18 |
| robbiew | so I'm fine with that :) | 16:18 |
| ev | cool | 16:18 |
| robbiew | the last one, foundations-lucid-dropping-sun-java6, will be approved today | 16:19 |
| robbiew | doko__ has agreed to maintain it in partner :) | 16:19 |
| robbiew | [TOPIC] Sponsorship Queue | 16:20 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Sponsorship Queue | 16:20 |
| * mvo hides from this item | 16:20 | |
| * doko__ hides behind mvo | 16:20 | |
| mvo | lol | 16:20 |
| * ev burrows underneath the both of them | 16:20 | |
| tremolux | haha | 16:20 |
| * slangasek flaunts his single sponsored package from last week | 16:21 | |
| * cjwatson looks at the overview - I think we all have to hide | 16:21 | |
| robbiew | heh. dholbach needs everyone to step up here | 16:21 |
| * dholbach hugs all sponsors | 16:21 | |
| cjwatson | I think I need to switch my usual day to something that isn't Tuesday; I run into milestone freezes too often | 16:21 |
| * mvo merged some branches but is not sure that counts | 16:22 | |
| cjwatson | merging contributed branches *ought* to count | 16:22 |
| james_w | definitely | 16:22 |
| robbiew | for just one hour a week...you too can help a poor, defenseless developer contribute to Ubuntu :**( | 16:22 |
| dholbach | yes, that'd be nice - I agree | 16:22 |
| robbiew | I really don't think that's much to ask...even for Keybuk (ahem) | 16:23 |
| ev | was the issue that slangasek raised about having to sit in a channel ever resolved? | 16:24 |
| robbiew | dholbach: ^^ | 16:24 |
| robbiew | do they actually have to sit in the ubuntu-reviewers channel during that hour also? | 16:24 |
| robbiew | as I can see how that would distract from the actual reviewing :/ | 16:25 |
| dholbach | I like sitting on a channel a lot, because 1) people can learn from your review and you can have discussion | 16:25 |
| dholbach | 2) people are going to ask you to review something that was overlooked for a longer while (because everybody picks what they like best) | 16:25 |
| dholbach | there's probably more reasons :) | 16:25 |
| dholbach | but very often, there's not too much activity | 16:25 |
| dholbach | in the channel | 16:26 |
| robbiew | and again...it's only 1 hour a week! | 16:26 |
| cjwatson | mm, the few times I've been there, it was much less interesting than the #ubuntu-classroom session we did | 16:26 |
| dholbach | right :) | 16:26 |
| cjwatson | but then again that meant it was very little work | 16:26 |
| dholbach | cjwatson: we should announce the channel some more, that'd probably help | 16:26 |
| Keybuk | robbiew: it's never only an hour a week | 16:27 |
| Keybuk | and I envy a developer who has a free hour every week | 16:27 |
| robbiew | I'm saying that's all you are REQUIRED to do | 16:27 |
| slangasek | robbiew: but I thought the 1 hour a week was supposed to be spent on sponsorship, which I don't think is the same thing as reviewing changes on the IRC channel...? | 16:27 |
| slangasek | "announce the channel some more" - so that'll be even less of the time spent on actual sponsorship | 16:27 |
| * cjwatson doesn't really see the essential difference between sponsorship and review | 16:28 | |
| slangasek | only that the one hour a week we've committed to is split between the two :) | 16:28 |
| dholbach | if nobody asks you anything in the channel, you can just review a couple of bugs/patches and you're done | 16:28 |
| barry | btw, on launchpad, every developer spends a full day doing nothing but reviews of other people's branches. it's the only way we'd ever get anything landed. at first it seemed excessive but it /greatly/ increased overall team velocity (measured by #of branches landed, #of bugs closed per cycle) | 16:29 |
| cjwatson | slangasek: to me, sponsorship *is* review (well, coupled with upload, but that's trivial) | 16:29 |
| cjwatson | the point of requiring all developers on staff to spend an hour a week on it wasn't just to mechanically reduce the size of the sponsorship queue, it was to make sure everyone did some review work | 16:30 |
| dholbach | I'm sure all the new contributors really appreciate your good work on this! | 16:31 |
| Keybuk | an hour a week, over a release cycle, basically turns out as a week of that release cycle | 16:31 |
| Keybuk | three hours a week on meetings, takes another three weeks of the release cycle away | 16:31 |
| slangasek | I guess my fear is that the things people will ask for review of in the channel aren't the same things that have been nominated as ready for sponsorship; review work is important and good, but are we going to put the sponsorship queue in worse shape as a result of this shift in focus | 16:31 |
| Keybuk | we lose every fourth week to freezes and CD testing | 16:31 |
| Keybuk | it takes me two hours a day (10 hours a week) to go through my bugs folder | 16:32 |
| dholbach | Keybuk: I personally think the hour is totally worth it, because it's the only way we get new contributors and new ubuntu developers that can help out themselves | 16:32 |
| robbiew | exactly | 16:32 |
| Keybuk | (that's another 6-7 weeks of the release cycle) | 16:32 |
| dholbach | I really don't understand why it's a topic of discussion. It's important that we get more people on board. :) | 16:32 |
| Keybuk | dholbach: in which case, I'd like to point out that I already spend an hour a week on giving people upload access directly <g> | 16:33 |
| cjwatson | it's a prisoner's dilemma | 16:33 |
| cjwatson | we all collectively benefit from *other people* doing review and helping out new contributors | 16:33 |
| dholbach | Keybuk: talk to me about it | 16:34 |
| cjwatson | this only works if a good number of people don't defect, though :) | 16:34 |
| robbiew | right | 16:34 |
| robbiew | and the argument that "I could use that time for better things" doesn't work....I could skip all my 1-to-1 meetings and use it for "better things", but they are important part of being a manager | 16:35 |
| cjwatson | personally, I find review easier than doing new feature work, and therefore I use time that I would otherwise be spending being relatively unproductive while my brain gets into gear | 16:35 |
| cjwatson | where was that study that said that the average engineer only actually managed a couple of hours of productive work a day? | 16:35 |
| cjwatson | I don't think anyone's suggesting taking away from the hyper-productive time in your best hours | 16:36 |
| cjwatson | but, I dunno, if you don't have some slack elsewhere then you're a lot more efficient and consistently productive than I am | 16:36 |
| robbiew | okay..moving on | 16:37 |
| dholbach | thanks robbiew | 16:37 |
| * robbiew skips business from activity reports...cause he's only seen 2 | 16:37 | |
| robbiew | ahem | 16:37 |
| robbiew | [TOPIC] AOB | 16:37 |
| MootBot | New Topic: AOB | 16:37 |
| robbiew | 2010 conference attendance | 16:38 |
| robbiew | make sure to get that info back to randa | 16:38 |
| robbiew | I'm assuming she will create the standard wiki page listing all the conferences and attendees | 16:38 |
| robbiew | then we can add/remove if anything changes along the way | 16:39 |
| Keybuk | was there any particular limit on the number of conferences? | 16:39 |
| Keybuk | upper or lower? | 16:39 |
| lool | One conference per two hours of sponsoring | 16:40 |
| ev | lol | 16:40 |
| lool | :-P | 16:40 |
| robbiew | heh | 16:40 |
| ScottK | robbiew: gcc4.4 is now default in Debian Unstable, so you can probably mark that off on the Debian coordination spec. | 16:40 |
| robbiew | ScottK: sweet! thanks for the update | 16:40 |
| cjwatson | activity *cough* | 16:40 |
| ScottK | ? | 16:40 |
| robbiew | Keybuk: I don't think there is an upper | 16:40 |
| robbiew | I'd say 2 a year should be the lower limit | 16:41 |
| * lool notes he will be afk tonight until Friday -- will be helping with booth at ARM Symposium event, need to be in Paris tonight | 16:41 | |
| robbiew | [TOPIC] Meeting structure changes | 16:42 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Meeting structure changes | 16:42 |
| robbiew | with me covering for mdz...I cannot chair anymore | 16:43 |
| robbiew | I was wondering if we should share the load on this | 16:43 |
| robbiew | similar to other teams | 16:43 |
| ev | fine by me | 16:44 |
| robbiew | the question is how often should it rotate? | 16:45 |
| Keybuk | why not rotate the chair weekly? | 16:45 |
| robbiew | that's fine by mee | 16:45 |
| robbiew | and me | 16:45 |
| cjwatson | makes sense | 16:46 |
| robbiew | works for me | 16:46 |
| * robbiew will let hughhalf know | 16:46 | |
| robbiew | the 2nd thing is whether or not we should add a lightning round | 16:47 |
| robbiew | where everyone is expected to "talk" for about 3min | 16:47 |
| robbiew | on what they are doing and where they need help | 16:47 |
| mvo | hm, isn't that covered by activity reports? | 16:48 |
| mvo | I mean, when people write them ;) | 16:48 |
| * mvo forgot his one this week | 16:48 | |
| robbiew | exactly | 16:48 |
| robbiew | and when the manager pulls them together and sends them out :/ | 16:48 |
| barry | +1. it would be interesting an informative, and ime there's very often been someone with a relevant topic i'd never considered. | 16:48 |
| cjwatson | I like lightning rounds because they ensure I can't sleep through the meeting. Main problem with activity reports is that, well, I must say I read them with a pretty severe delay when they're in mail. Maybe that's just me | 16:49 |
| cjwatson | (and I do get them in my inbox by means of wiki subscription, but it's somehow rather less engaging) | 16:49 |
| robbiew | btw, it's assumed that the chair will also send out the team summary ;) | 16:49 |
| lool | I like having them in the agenda wiki page, I can glance at them while the meeting is starting | 16:50 |
| barry | robbiew: it doesn't even have to be 3 minutes. a 2 sentence paste can be really useful! | 16:50 |
| robbiew | yeah | 16:50 |
| robbiew | good point | 16:50 |
| ev | for what it's worth, I like the idea | 16:50 |
| robbiew | and much faster ;) | 16:50 |
| robbiew | ev: it's worth a lot! | 16:51 |
| cjwatson | 3 minutes * team is half the meeting, so yes, shorter would be better | 16:51 |
| robbiew | <g> | 16:51 |
| lool | we can throw everything into the channel in parallel | 16:51 |
| cjwatson | we actually used to do this in distro team meetings but then the team got too big and it became really unwieldy | 16:51 |
| cjwatson | full circle ... | 16:51 |
| robbiew | not sure if I like parallel | 16:51 |
| barry | cjwatson: same in launchpad. we do 15m sub-team standup phone calls now | 16:51 |
| barry | (where subteam <= 5 people) | 16:52 |
| * robbiew will update the MeetingTemplate to include the 2 sentence paste lighting round | 16:52 | |
| robbiew | [TOPIC] Good News | 16:53 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Good News | 16:53 |
| robbiew | how sad....none to speak of | 16:53 |
| robbiew | lol | 16:53 |
| * robbiew doesn't have to run this meeting for 6months! whoohoo | 16:54 | |
| robbiew | :P | 16:54 |
| mvo | heh :) | 16:54 |
| cjwatson | my first actual proper scheduled spec will be completed right after a1 | 16:54 |
| ScottK | cjwatson teaching qt4-x11 to build on armv6 is definetly good news. | 16:54 |
| cjwatson | (foundations-lucid-uec-installer-enhancement) | 16:54 |
| cjwatson | we're slightly ahead of the line on http://piware.de/workitems/foundations/lucid/report.html, let's keep it that way | 16:54 |
| cjwatson | oh, speaking of which, if any of the 'nobody' items there interest you, please grab them | 16:55 |
| Keybuk | Boot Performance GOOD NEWS | 16:55 |
| cjwatson | we'll need to farm them all out eventually | 16:55 |
| Keybuk | X hit its budget today | 16:55 |
| cjwatson | Keybuk: ooh | 16:55 |
| robbiew | python2.6 may actually exist in Debian this month! | 16:55 |
| * mvo merged the apt netrc support stuff into the ubuntu branch | 16:55 | |
| robbiew | lol | 16:55 |
| robbiew | Keybuk: \o/ | 16:55 |
| ScottK | robbiew: On Python we do have the first round of Python Policy patches out for public comment. No great controversy so far. | 16:55 |
| robbiew | yep...saw that | 16:55 |
| slangasek | good news: as soon as the SRU is processed/done, server users can rely on loopback being up before hitting rc2 | 16:56 |
| ev | cody is testing the extended layout branch for the GTK+ guys, so there may be hope of it landing for 2.20 after all | 16:56 |
| barry | ScottK: link? | 16:56 |
| mvo | ev: ohhh, that is really good news | 16:56 |
| ScottK | barry: http://lists.debian.org/debian-python/2009/12/msg00009.html | 16:57 |
| barry | ScottK: thanks | 16:57 |
| robbiew | first step python2.6 in debian....next step world peace! | 16:58 |
| * barry should really get on debian-python | 16:58 | |
| robbiew | <g> | 16:58 |
| robbiew | barry: debian-devel is where all the "fun" is | 16:58 |
| robbiew | heh | 16:58 |
| slangasek | yes, so subscribe to debian-python instead | 16:58 |
| robbiew | lmao | 16:58 |
| robbiew | exactly! | 16:58 |
| mvo | ev: can you /msg me the relevant branch please? | 16:58 |
| barry | :) | 16:58 |
| ev | sure thing | 16:58 |
| robbiew | #endmeeting | 16:59 |
| MootBot | Meeting finished at 10:59. | 16:59 |
| robbiew | thanks all!!! | 16:59 |
| james_w | thanks | 16:59 |
| * marjo waves | 16:59 | |
| marjo | #startmeeting QA Team | 17:00 |
| MootBot | Meeting started at 11:00. The chair is marjo. | 17:00 |
| MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 17:00 |
| marjo | Agenda | 17:00 |
| * mvo waves | 17:00 | |
| bdmurray | hi | 17:00 |
| * fagan waves | 17:00 | |
| marjo | # Welcome to Soren Hansen | 17:00 |
| marjo | # SRU testing -- sbeattie (Steve Beattie) | 17:00 |
| marjo | # Bugday highlights -- pedro | 17:00 |
| marjo | # | 17:00 |
| marjo | Alpha 1 loco-contacts feedback on Testing/LoCos -- Grantbow | 17:00 |
| marjo | # Upgrade testing -- fagan | 17:00 |
| marjo | # Bleeding edge team -- fagan | 17:00 |
| marjo | # | 17:00 |
| marjo | Ubuntu QA Website -- schwuk | 17:00 |
| * fader_ waves | 17:00 | |
| marjo | [TOPIC] Welcome to Soren Hansen | 17:00 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Welcome to Soren Hansen | 17:00 |
| marjo | folks, please welcome Soren to the QA team! | 17:01 |
| sbeattie | soren: welcome! | 17:01 |
| pedro_ | welcome soren :-) | 17:01 |
| fagan | Welcome | 17:01 |
| fader_ | soren: Howdy! | 17:01 |
| davmor2 | hello | 17:02 |
| marjo | he'll be working with us on automated server testing | 17:02 |
| marjo | https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/qa-lucid-automated-server-testing | 17:02 |
| marjo | [TOPIC] SRU testing -- sbeattie (Steve Beattie) | 17:04 |
| MootBot | New Topic: SRU testing -- sbeattie (Steve Beattie) | 17:04 |
| sbeattie | SRU Activity report for the past week (since 2009-12-02): | 17:04 |
| sbeattie | * karmic: 14 new packages in -proposed (apport, compiz, eucalyptus, evolution-indicator, gdm, glib2.0, linux-firmware-nonfree, motion, python2.6, rhythmbox, ruby1.8, trac-git, ubiquity, xfburn) and 5 packages pushed to -updates (devicekit-disks, nautilus, seahorse-plugins, ubiquity, xf86-input-evtouch) | 17:04 |
| sbeattie | * jaunty, intrepid, hardy, dapper: no non-security update activity this week | 17:04 |
| soren | o/ | 17:04 |
| sbeattie | Thanks to Philip Guyton, dm, Sam Chau, Jonathan Marsden, totty, Franck Al Yamine Cohendet, Bryan McLellan, Ethan Puzarne, Nico Isenbeck, Haggai Eran, Jan Mynarik, mickel-one, jpuxan, southworth69, defunctzombie, Saïvann Carignan, Daniel Harvey, Patrick, and Morten Frisch for testing proposed packages this week. | 17:04 |
| sbeattie | 17:04 | |
| soren | (sorry about being late, I had a family situation I needed to attend to, but I'm here now) | 17:05 |
| sbeattie | We have an upcoming 8.04.4 point release coming up at the end of january, so assistance in clearing out some of the few hardy SRUs would be greatly appreciated. | 17:05 |
| pedro_ | any update that needs more attention? | 17:05 |
| fagan | soren: you only missed your welcome :) | 17:05 |
| davmor2 | sbeattie: I'll throw a bit of time at it for you | 17:06 |
| soren | fagan: Yeah, saw the scrollback :) | 17:06 |
| sbeattie | davmor2: awesome, thanks! | 17:06 |
| pedro_ | m bug 444979 is standing in the queue for a few weeks | 17:06 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 444979 in fuse "fuse-utils postinst fails if fuse-utils is a new install during a release upgrade" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/444979 | 17:06 |
| sbeattie | yep, be nice toc lear that one out. | 17:08 |
| sbeattie | That's all I have on the SRU front. | 17:08 |
| marjo | thx sbeattie! | 17:08 |
| marjo | [TOPIC] Bugday highlights -- pedro | 17:08 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Bugday highlights -- pedro | 17:08 |
| pedro_ | Previous week we had a bug day based on Ubuntu Translations as suggested by qense on an email to the BugSquad ml | 17:09 |
| pedro_ | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20091203 | 17:09 |
| pedro_ | thanks to dpm, micahg, qense, WeatherGod, nperry and to kamusin for organize it | 17:10 |
| * fagan volunteered to do the next one | 17:10 | |
| pedro_ | Tomorrow we're running one based on Compiz as requested by the maintainer a few weeks ago | 17:11 |
| pedro_ | so if you're using compiz head to : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20091210 | 17:11 |
| pedro_ | the amazing kamusin helped a lot to organize the bug day so big kudos to him | 17:11 |
| marjo | thx kamusin! | 17:12 |
| pedro_ | fagan yeah i know, i'll contact you so we can start working on it :-) | 17:12 |
| fagan | pedro_: cool | 17:12 |
| pedro_ | so any help will be more than welcome | 17:12 |
| pedro_ | and again if you have *any* ideas of which could be the next target please drop it into the wiki page | 17:13 |
| pedro_ | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/Planning | 17:13 |
| fagan | pedro_: Ill add pitivi to the list because it needs some love | 17:13 |
| pedro_ | fagan, go for it :-) | 17:13 |
| pedro_ | that's all from here marjo | 17:13 |
| marjo | thx pedro_ | 17:14 |
| pedro_ | my pleasure | 17:14 |
| marjo | [TOPIC] Alpha 1 loco-contacts feedback on Testing/LoCos -- Grantbow | 17:14 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Alpha 1 loco-contacts feedback on Testing/LoCos -- Grantbow | 17:14 |
| Grantbow | Greetings | 17:14 |
| Grantbow | How has the response been so far? | 17:14 |
| marjo | welcome Grant! | 17:14 |
| ara | Grantbow, have you contacted any member from your loco? | 17:15 |
| Grantbow | I did forward the email to my loco mail list. | 17:16 |
| Grantbow | Several people sounded interested. | 17:16 |
| Grantbow | I've fetched the lucid-desktop-i386.iso with zsync ready to participate myself as well. | 17:17 |
| Grantbow | I'm hoping folks from the loco-contacts mail list step up and participate as well. | 17:17 |
| Grantbow | I had a meeting with Scott Ritchie yesterday talking about wiki page improvements. | 17:17 |
| Grantbow | What do you all think of the email and wiki page? | 17:18 |
| kamusin | ;) | 17:18 |
| fader_ | Grantbow: Awesome... getting the word out is a huge help :D | 17:18 |
| ara | Grantbow, I think it gets to the point :) | 17:18 |
| ara | Grantbow, what did Scott tell you in the meeting? | 17:18 |
| fagan | maybe we should announce something on the qa blog? | 17:18 |
| Grantbow | ara: he mentioned other types of testing including SRU that we can add as starting points of contributors. | 17:19 |
| ara | Grantbow, nice :) | 17:20 |
| sbeattie | Grantbow: agreed. | 17:20 |
| Grantbow | he also provided me with some group history since he's been active with Testing for awhile now. | 17:20 |
| Grantbow | More than I have at least. | 17:21 |
| Grantbow | I guess that's all unless there are any further suggestions or questions. | 17:21 |
| ara | Thanks Grantbow! | 17:21 |
| marjo | Thx Grantbow | 17:22 |
| marjo | [TOPIC] Upgrade testing -- fagan | 17:22 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Upgrade testing -- fagan | 17:22 |
| fagan | I just wanted to ask a quick question | 17:22 |
| fagan | Should we be doing upgrade testing tomorrow | 17:23 |
| fagan | Is there any major issues that need to be tested yet? | 17:23 |
| fader_ | My guess is that it's never too early to start upgrade testing and reporting bugs | 17:24 |
| ara | fagan, I think that we can concentrate in getting good coverage on installations. If we have time, upgrade testing is always welcome | 17:24 |
| Grantbow | sounds like a good thing to test for an LTS | 17:24 |
| fagan | Cool so ill try an upgrade from hardy tomorrow and see if there are any major problems | 17:25 |
| marjo | fagan: the answer is yes | 17:25 |
| fagan | Cool | 17:25 |
| ara | our aim is always obtaining as much coverage as possible in the tracker, and that includes upgrades | 17:25 |
| sbeattie | fagan: https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-lucid-lts-upgrades covers some of the work items mvo will be fixing related to upgrades. | 17:25 |
| sbeattie | fagan: the most recent item that I saw marked as done was the 'ensure linux-restricted-modules-common is removed' item | 17:26 |
| ara | fagan, if you encounter any issue, mvo is always happy to help | 17:26 |
| Grantbow | sbeattie: thanks for the link | 17:26 |
| ara | are you, mvo? ;-) | 17:26 |
| marjo | mvo: any comments re: upgrade testing for Alpha1? | 17:26 |
| ara | [LINK] https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-lucid-lts-upgrades | 17:26 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-lucid-lts-upgrades | 17:26 |
| fader_ | I believe mvo is away ATM | 17:26 |
| marjo | fader_ ack | 17:26 |
| fagan | Well ill give him a ping later and see what his views on it are | 17:27 |
| marjo | fagan: anything else on this? | 17:27 |
| fagan | nope | 17:27 |
| fagan | marjo: go ahead | 17:27 |
| marjo | [TOPIC] Bleeding edge team -- fagan | 17:27 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Bleeding edge team -- fagan | 17:27 |
| fagan | I found a team on launchpad called the bleeding edge team | 17:27 |
| fagan | There isnt too much activity but I think it can be revived | 17:28 |
| fagan | Ill fish out a link | 17:28 |
| fagan | https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-bleedingedge | 17:28 |
| ara | [LINK] https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-bleedingedge | 17:28 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-bleedingedge | 17:28 |
| ara | mmm, sounds good | 17:29 |
| fagan | It has a ppa so what I think we can do is maybe get people to add stuff they need testing but shouldnt be put into the archive yet | 17:29 |
| ara | fagan, have you talked to the owner of the team? | 17:29 |
| ara | fagan, to know the possible reasons for its low success? | 17:30 |
| fagan | nope not yet I wanted to see what the rest of you think | 17:30 |
| fagan | ara: lack of activity | 17:30 |
| ara | fagan, I think the problem is that upstreams willing to do that, already have their own ppa | 17:30 |
| fagan | If we get word about I think it could be a useful outlet | 17:30 |
| fagan | hmmmm good point | 17:31 |
| ara | fagan, it could be better to find out which upstreams have ubuntu ppas and document that in the wiki | 17:31 |
| ara | fagan, i.e. mozilla has one for thunderbird & firefox: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/ppa | 17:31 |
| fagan | Yep that sounds good | 17:31 |
| Grantbow | ara: +1 | 17:31 |
| ara | we could document them under wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Upstream | 17:32 |
| ScottK | That one is run by Ubuntu, not by upstream. | 17:32 |
| ara | ScottK, mmm, OK, but that's daily mozilla code, isn't it? | 17:32 |
| ara | ScottK, so bugs there, can be useful to upstream | 17:33 |
| ScottK | It is, but I don't think upstream has anything to do with it directly. | 17:33 |
| ScottK | I read "which upstreams have ..." as meaning upstream developers running a PPA. | 17:33 |
| ara | yes, let rephrase that into: "upstream ppa run by upstream or ubuntu maintainers" | 17:34 |
| ara | because, in the end, that's what the bleeding edge was about, wasn't it? | 17:34 |
| fagan | yep | 17:35 |
| moustafa | Question: What about packages that don't have a ppa? Wouldn't the Bleeding Edge team be a good place to put those? | 17:35 |
| fagan | moustafa: you could just make a ppa for the user | 17:35 |
| fagan | it would be just as easy | 17:35 |
| fagan | moustafa: like this https://launchpad.net/~shanepatrickfagan/+archive/ppa | 17:36 |
| marjo | fagan: do we really want to do that? | 17:36 |
| marjo | seems to complicate matters, no? | 17:37 |
| fagan | hmmm | 17:37 |
| fagan | A little it maybe good to have a central location | 17:37 |
| moustafa | fagan: I thought that's why the bleeding edge team was being proposed for "reanimation": To have a centralized location for upstream packages | 17:38 |
| fagan | Yep | 17:38 |
| ara | I think that it is a bit complicated to maintain | 17:38 |
| fagan | I agree | 17:39 |
| moustafa | ara: wouldn't there be a way to (and I hope this will make sense) redirect certain PPAs to the Bleeding Edge team? | 17:39 |
| ara | moustafa, ? | 17:39 |
| fagan | so maybe the wiki would be a good idea and let the developers decide where to put the packages | 17:40 |
| davmor2 | to be honest I think the team dissipated due to the amount of daily-ppas | 17:40 |
| moustafa | Basically: Members of the BE team who have their own PPAs could get their packages mirrored by the BE PPA, which would give a centralized location | 17:40 |
| moustafa | Or maybe that's something Launchpad can't do | 17:40 |
| fagan | moustafa: I dont think launchpad can do that | 17:41 |
| moustafa | In which point a wiki would be the easiest answer for now | 17:41 |
| ara | moustafa, but, is having a central location a good thing? for me, i.e., having both firefox and thunderbird in the daily mozilla ppa is already too much, as I only want thunderbird. If, by error, I update all my system with that ppa enabled.... I have firefox daily ppa installed, which I don't want | 17:41 |
| ara | and that's only two packages | 17:42 |
| moustafa | ara: Good point | 17:42 |
| fagan | So how about just the wiki them | 17:42 |
| fagan | *then | 17:42 |
| marjo | fagan: may i suggest you investigate further and come back with a firm proposal to the team next week? | 17:42 |
| moustafa | Wiki does sound like the sanest suggestion | 17:42 |
| fagan | marjo: Cool | 17:42 |
| marjo | based on discussions and ideas presented today? | 17:43 |
| fagan | Yep | 17:43 |
| marjo | thx for rediscovering that team; looks interesting | 17:43 |
| marjo | [TOPIC] Ubuntu QA Website -- schwuk | 17:43 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Ubuntu QA Website -- schwuk | 17:43 |
| marjo | http://qa.ubuntu.com/ | 17:44 |
| MootBot | LINK received: http://qa.ubuntu.com/ | 17:44 |
| schwuk | 2 items here | 17:44 |
| davmor2 | mailing list :) | 17:44 |
| schwuk | 1) the QA website has been updated with a link to mailing list as discussed last week | 17:44 |
| schwuk | 2) can people check the content/links on the site and ensure they are still relevant/valid | 17:45 |
| marjo | davmor2: ? | 17:45 |
| soren | I probably have some new stuff for it next week-ish. | 17:45 |
| davmor2 | marjo: it's added | 17:45 |
| marjo | davmor2: ack | 17:45 |
| ara | schwuk, can you please change the mago link to point to http://mago.ubuntu.com, please? | 17:46 |
| fagan | off topic are we getting rid of http://hwdb.ubuntu.com/ ? | 17:46 |
| schwuk | There is a LP project for the site for branches/bugs etc. http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-qa-homepage | 17:47 |
| schwuk | ara: will do | 17:47 |
| davmor2 | schwuk: looks good dude I will track the links | 17:47 |
| ara | schwuk, also, Desktop Automation should point also to the mago site | 17:47 |
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| ara | schwuk, thanks | 17:47 |
| fagan | Any more items on the agenda? | 17:49 |
| Grantbow | does wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam link to qa.ubuntu.com? | 17:50 |
| fagan | looks like it doesnt | 17:50 |
| fagan | nice catch Grantbow | 17:50 |
| schwuk | +1 | 17:51 |
| fagan | So back to my previous question are we killing off hwdb.ubuntu.com because it doesnt contain any useful info? | 17:52 |
| cr3 | fagan: I've sent a request to the IS team about this, let me pull up their answer | 17:53 |
| fagan | cr3: cool | 17:53 |
| cr3 | fagan: there appears to be 20 new requests still being submitted to that page every day | 17:54 |
| marjo | schwuk: thx | 17:54 |
| Grantbow | interesting indicator | 17:54 |
| cr3 | this is strange because the client for this has been deprecated since before hardy | 17:54 |
| fagan | but how can you get any info from there? | 17:54 |
| fagan | cr3: it kinda looks like spam at least the most recent few | 17:55 |
| cr3 | fagan: good catch | 17:55 |
| cr3 | ideally, it would be nice to provide a redirect for that url in case anyone happens to have it bookmarked | 17:55 |
| marjo | folks: time check - 4 minutes | 17:55 |
| cr3 | what would you guys think of redirecting to http://webapps.ubuntu.com/certification? | 17:55 |
| fagan | cr3: +1 | 17:56 |
| fader_ | cr3: I like that. I was going to ask about the client degrading gracefully but if it's been deprecated that long... | 17:56 |
| schwuk | ara: those changes you requested are live | 17:56 |
| fader_ | Maybe a 10s redirect with an 'update your bookmarks' text? | 17:56 |
| schwuk | cr3: hwdb != certification | 17:56 |
| ara | schwuk, nice :) | 17:56 |
| marjo | fagan, cr3: can we continue topic to next meeting? | 17:56 |
| marjo | schwuk: +1 | 17:56 |
| cr3 | marjo: sure, not urgent | 17:56 |
| ara | schwuk, thanks! | 17:57 |
| marjo | folks, before we end, want to share Lucid QA Team chart with you | 17:57 |
| marjo | http://piware.de/workitems/qa/lucid/report.html | 17:57 |
| MootBot | LINK received: http://piware.de/workitems/qa/lucid/report.html | 17:57 |
| marjo | status is looking good early in the release | 17:58 |
| schwuk | It would be better pointed to a wiki page explaining the system tool and how to use it. | 17:58 |
| marjo | please update your work items as you finish them so that we get an accurate status on a daily basis | 17:58 |
| marjo | ok let's end on time | 17:59 |
| fagan | good meeting all | 17:59 |
| marjo | thx everyone for another productive and interesting meeting! | 17:59 |
| schwuk | Thanks marjo! | 17:59 |
| soren | o/ | 17:59 |
| Grantbow | thank you Marjo | 17:59 |
| marjo | #endmeeting | 17:59 |
| MootBot | Meeting finished at 11:59. | 17:59 |
| fader_ | Thanks all | 18:00 |
| ara | thanks | 18:01 |
| czajkowski | schwuk: hey! | 18:01 |
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| mvo | marjo: no further comments, upgrade testing for alpha1 is good but not super important at this point (sorry for the delay, I was at dinner) | 18:51 |
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