[07:01] <ara> good morning all :)
[07:17] <ara> Alternate images are up!
[07:17]  * ara syncs
[07:47]  * ara takes ubuntu alt i386 full disk
[08:32] <ara> broken packages now in lucid. alpha 1 needs a respin
[08:50] <ara> morning davmor2
[08:50] <davmor2> morning ara thought you were going to miss the fun of non installing iso's
[08:51] <ara> davmor2, I already started! non-installable metacity package :-) isos respining now
[08:53] <davmor2> ara: one up on yesterday that ubiquity crashed and n-m didn't work
[08:54]  * ara steps out to grab a coffee
[11:42]  * soren cheers as autotest is finally imported into bzr on Launchpad.
[11:42] <soren> 13 hours that took!
[11:42] <soren> Glad I didn't sit around waiting for it.
[11:42] <ara> \o/
[12:27] <Yos> I just did the upgrade to lucid (again) and now I have 2 listings of almost everything listed in System-->Preferences
[12:29] <ara> Yos, what do you mean?
[12:30] <Yos> I have double listings
[12:31] <Yos> 2 about me; 2 appearance...etc
[12:32] <Yos> weird
[12:33] <Yos> Somethings are listed twice and some only once
[12:37] <ara> I am stepping out now for lunch. I would look into it afterwards
[12:37]  * ara -> lunch
[13:13]  * nperry downloads server iso to do some tests on :)
[13:40] <cr3> davmor2: hey dude, thanks for the heads up about the dns records, trying it out right now
[13:42] <fader_> davmor2: Though the subject line made me think you wanted to sell me herbal v1agr4 ;)
[13:44] <cr3> fader_: totally, I only caught his message microseconds before purging my deleted messages
[13:49] <cr3> soren: I'm pointing at my hand now and I still have no clue what that means
[13:50] <cr3> soren: on a more serious note, you might like to heed davmor2's warning too: since you've been working on automating the server install, you might like to know that there's apparently a new prompt for downloading iana records
[13:57] <Yos> I just did the upgrade to lucid (again) and now I have 2 listings of almost everything listed in System-->Preferences
[13:57] <Yos> Somethings are listed twice and some only once
[14:01] <ara> Yos, does restarting the session help?
[14:02] <davmor2> cr3, fader_: np
[14:02] <Yos> I will try a re-boot
[14:03] <davmor2> cr3, fader_: Actually the heading was deliberate I thought you'd read it :D
[14:03] <fader_> davmor2: I actually have a filter that takes anything from you and marks it as spam anyway.  Not sure how this one slipped through. :P
[14:03] <cr3> davmor2: you need something like: enlarge your manhood/rocket/cracker/etc.
[14:04] <moustafa> davmor2, cr3, fader_ : Hon hon!
[14:04] <davmor2> cr3, fader_: Problem then is the spam filters eat it :)
[14:04] <davmor2> moustafa: morning
[14:05] <fader_> moustafa: Hey dude
[14:05] <davmor2> cr3: I'm not sure if the same thing will happen on the live cd as I haven't had a live install work to date yet
[14:05] <cr3> davmor2: I'll try it later, for good measure, but the alternate is chugging along quite nicely so far
[14:06] <soren> cr3: Yeah, no worries. Thanks.
[14:06] <moustafa> are you testing stuff without me?
[14:07] <davmor2> moustafa: not his fault you weren't quick enough ;)
[14:07] <moustafa> davmor2: I blame the timezone advantage
[14:08] <Yos> That was strange but a restart cured it
[14:13] <davmor2> ara: xubuntu alt fails unmet deps
[14:13] <ara> davmor2, nice :-\
[14:13] <ara> davmor2, I will try ubuntu alt i386
[14:25] <moustafa> I can't seem to subscribe to the tests :(
[14:30] <ara> moustafa, why, what happens?
[14:32] <moustafa> ara: No check boxes to subscribe.  I hope it's not a big deal
[14:39] <moustafa> Sorry, had to force reboot.
[14:40] <davmor2> moustafa: are you logged in?
[14:40] <moustafa> davmor2: Yes I am
[14:40] <davmor2> if you are, are you on the right page?
[14:40] <moustafa> Or, at least, I was
[14:41] <davmor2> moustafa: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/test/3450 is an example of the page you need to be on to assign a test to yourself
[14:41] <moustafa> Or, I thought I was...yes I'm confusing myself now
[14:42] <davmor2> moustafa: now make your mind up either you were or you weren't ;)
[14:44] <fader_> moustafa: I've got your back... don't listen to davmor2 -- he's a meanie.
[14:45]  * davmor2 grabs sharpening stone and axe and wonders if he can hit fader_ from here
[14:45]  * fader_ wonders idly about ICBAs.
[14:46] <moustafa> fader_: He can't be a meanie, he's british!  *ducks impending rocks*
[14:46] <moustafa> Ok, I don't think I'm part of QA
[14:47] <davmor2> moustafa: I think you'll find I was born in England making me English not british :P
[14:47] <fader_> moustafa: I haven't forgiven davmor2 for burning the White House down in 1814
[14:48] <davmor2> fader_: Don't worry the indians haven't forgiven you and they are closer than me :P
[14:48] <moustafa> fader_ : I thought you haven't forgiven him for being part of the country that brought us the Spice Girls and Simon Cowbell or whatever his name is
[14:48]  * fader_ laughs.
[14:48] <fader_> davmor2: I think moustafa beat both of us in that round.
[14:49] <davmor2> moustafa: this from the country that brought us Micheal Buble
[14:50] <moustafa> davmor2: It could be a "touché, sir", but while I do live in Canada, I wasn't born here.
[14:51] <davmor2> moustafa: hmmm where were you born then?
[14:52]  * fader_ is guessing "the moon"
[14:52] <moustafa> davmor2: Lebanon.  So, fader_ wasn't that far off.  :P
[14:52]  * davmor2 is guessing at egypt region
[14:55] <davmor2> moustafa: do me a favour then please point at cr3 and say Buble it's all your fault ;)
[14:56] <moustafa> davmor2: Done :D
[14:56] <moustafa> davmor2: Incidentally, I has suddenly become my last day at the office.  I wonder why cr3 said that
[14:57] <davmor2> hahahaha
[14:58] <davmor2> moustafa: just tell him it's that fader_ dude he's a bad influence on you :D
[14:59] <moustafa> davmor2: It's easy to blame americans on being a bad influence.  It's hilarious to blame the older countries
[15:00] <cr3> davmor2: alternate installed just fine with my original preseed
[15:01] <nperry> Humm server testing is fun :)
[15:01] <davmor2> cr3: does dns work though?
[15:02] <davmor2> ara: how's ubuntu alt behaving?
[15:02] <cr3> davmor2: ya man, hosts resolve just fine
[15:03] <cr3> davmor2: if you mean a server install configured with bind, then I don't know
[15:03] <fader_> nperry: :)
[15:03] <davmor2> cr3: I'll take a snapshot of it when the request comes up
[15:17] <ara> davmor2, I haven't had the time to start, I was in a call. I will do it now
[15:36] <moustafa> Does "fails to restart at the end of the install" count as a bug?
[15:36] <fader_> moustafa: I would say that a failure to restart at the end of the install is definitely a bug, but probably not a critical one
[15:37] <fader_> File it, add it to the ISO tracker, but if that's the only bug you see I wouldn't mark it as a failure
[15:37] <moustafa> fader_ : I would have been surprised if it was critical
[15:37] <davmor2> moustafa: on what?
[15:37] <moustafa> I guess "ubuntu-bug ubiquity" would be what's needed?
[15:37] <moustafa> LiveCD, Free Software Only install
[15:39] <fader_> moustafa: I assume you were asked if you wanted to restart now and said yes?
[15:39] <moustafa> Yes
[15:39] <fader_> Yeah, my guess would be ubiquity
[15:40] <fader_> If that's not right cjwatson will move it to the right place
[15:40] <moustafa> "Package ubiquity does not exist".  Reasonable, since it's removed at the end of the install
[15:41] <moustafa> I'll file the bug manually, then.  No big deal
[15:42] <fader_> moustafa: What you can try is to file the bug and then use 'apport-collect' to add the logfiles, etc. to it
[15:42] <moustafa> that should work
[16:01] <moustafa> Sonova...I just reported the bug, but it didn't stick :S
[16:02] <moustafa> I guess Launchpad is being clogged hard today
[16:07] <ulysses__> hello testers
[16:07] <davmor2> ulysses__: Hello
[16:07] <moustafa> hello ulyssess_
[16:08] <moustafa> *Hello ulysses__
[16:09] <moustafa> Launchpad bug: 494563  I can't add any of the requested files because they are empty :(
[16:11] <davmor2> moustafa: try opening one of the files
[16:16] <ulysses__> I think sudo is not neccessary when using cat
[16:18] <moustafa> ulysses__: I think it is if you want to read files that are locked
[16:18] <moustafa> ulysses__ I can confirm it
[16:20] <moustafa> davmor2: Thanks for reminding me of cat :)
[16:20] <davmor2> moustafa: it's got me outta some binds
[16:21] <moustafa> There we go, that should do it
[16:21] <davmor2> ulysses__: you do need sudo or lp would be able to access the files :)
[16:21] <fader_> davmor2, moustafa: Bah.  cat is too easy.
[16:21] <fader_> http://media.tkk.fi/en/xmas-party-2009/unix-shell-challenge.html
[16:22] <fader_> Real men hack a way to do it with 'man' :)
[16:23] <davmor2> fader_: are you trying to say that real men do it with man if so that sounds so gay ;)
[16:25] <moustafa> davmor2 has a point
[16:25] <fader_> Nothing wrong with that ;)
[16:25] <davmor2> cr3: it's me, it's not dns it's snmp
[16:29] <davmor2> notice reads " Various snmp software needs extracted MIBs from RFCs and IANA - which cannot be shipped - to be working as expected.  These MIBs can be automatically fetched and extracted as part of installing this package.
[16:29] <davmor2> This will take serveral minutes to complete, even with a fast internet connection.
[16:29] <davmor2> Download and extract MIBs from RFCs and IANA?
[16:29] <davmor2> cr3, fader_: ^
[16:29] <fader_> davmor2: Thanks
[16:30]  * moustafa wonders who keeps drinking the Dr Pepper without putting some back in the fridge
[16:30] <moustafa> What?  I'm trying to keep this off-topic
[16:31] <davmor2> moustafa: it's you
[16:32] <moustafa> davmor2:  This isn't a soap opera where it turns out that I'm my evil twin brother, is it?
[16:32] <davmor2> no that would be moustafa3
[16:33] <moustafa> but...moustafa3 is...ME! *cue dramatic music with some camera zoom*
[16:34] <davmor2> moustafa: you'll never get this evil bit right if you don't end in muhahahahaha!
[16:35] <moustafa> davmor2: I was doing the horrified revelation scene
[16:35] <moustafa> davmor2: So you wouldn't suspect a thing! MUAHAHAHAHAHA
[16:35] <moustafa> !
[16:36] <ulysses__> Ok, test environment ready
[16:36] <davmor2> moustafa: See told you, it was you drink the dr. pepper and not replacing it :P
[16:37] <moustafa> davmor2: But...it can't be! *bites knuckles*
[16:37]  * moustafa hopes there's no one called knuckles in here
[16:38] <ulysses__> Hm, update-notifier-kde says 'Upgrading to Kubuntu 9.10'
[16:38]  * davmor2 begs god to let there be ;)
[16:38] <davmor2> ulysses__: did you do it right?
[16:39] <ulysses__> davmor2: yes, 'update-notifier-kde -d -c'
[16:41] <fagan> meeting in 20?
[16:41] <fader_> fagan: I believe so, yes
[16:41] <davmor2> fagan: 19
[16:41] <fagan> :)
[16:46] <davmor2> ulysses__: try update-notifier-kde -u
[16:47] <ulysses__> the upgrade is running
[16:49] <ulysses__> http://noob.hu/2009/12/09/desk2.png
[16:50] <ulysses__> downloading the package was only 7-8 minutes, now the upgrade is about 40 minutes:P
[16:55] <davmor2> moustafa: you got an ubuntu lucid desktop in front of you?
[16:57] <moustafa> Had one.  Doing another install with manual partitioning in a VM
[16:59] <davmor2> moustafa: it's okay had word back from pitti
[16:59] <moustafa> ptti?
[17:00] <fagan> moustafa: martin pitt
[17:00] <moustafa> fagan: Ah, I haven't had the pleasure
[17:00] <fagan> Hes awesome
[17:01] <fader_> QA team meeting in #ubuntu-meeting now -- everyone is welcome to come listen and/or contribute!
[17:01] <moustafa> fagan: I'll have to go by your word at the moment.  :)
[17:01] <fagan> :)
[17:20] <ulysses__> Ok, I upgraded my VM, and no I don't have panel, plasmoids, nothing, the screen resolution is only 800x600 instead of 1366x768
[17:20] <ulysses__> I use Virtualbox, with Guest Additions
[17:21] <ulysses__> I can't choose older kernel, I don't see the GRUB
[17:22] <moustafa> GRUB2 is displayed by holding the shift button at bootup
[17:28] <ulysses__> Ok, I could enter into GRUB, now I choosed kernel 2.6.31
[17:29] <ulysses__> Same thing, guest additions doesn't work after upgrade
[17:31] <ulysses__> I think I should test the upgrade without Guest Additions
[17:32] <davmor2> ulysses__: Guest Additions will of been removed as part of the upgrade you will need to add it again iirc
[17:36] <sbeattie> davmor2: really? I wouldn't have guessed that, but it's worth verifying.
[17:38] <davmor2> sbeattie: just a guess but I know it removes repos that aren't ubuntu's main 4 to help solve upgrade issues
[17:39] <ulysses__> Now, I reinstalled guest additions, no reboot the VM
[17:39] <sbeattie> davmor2: sure, but virtualbox-ose-guest-{utils,x11} are in universe
[17:40] <Grantbow> nothing but main?  wow
[17:41] <sbeattie> Grantbow: ?
[17:41] <davmor2> Grantbow: no main 4
[17:41] <davmor2> as in main restricted universe and multiverse
[17:41] <Grantbow> oh, ok
[17:42] <davmor2> sbeattie: yes but it is installed into the guest it's not used from the guests repo is it?
[17:44] <sbeattie> davmor2: I'm not exactly sure what you're asking, but yes, you install those packages through the guest's repos; alternatively, you can use the virtualbox interface to do the fake cdrom thing, but choosing the packages will likely have better results.
[17:49] <moustafa> I thought the guest add-ons were available via synaptic
[17:49] <moustafa> from within the machine, that is
[17:50] <sbeattie> ulysses__: perhaps that's the question we should be asking you; how did you install the guest utilities before upgrading?
[17:50] <ulysses__> I mounted the Guest Additions cd image with, and run the installer from konsole
[17:51] <moustafa> ulysses__: It's still probable they were removed afterwards
[17:52] <moustafa> Try and find them in KPackageKit, or synaptic
[17:52] <moustafa> Just a lookup for virtualbox should do
[17:53] <ulysses__> I use the closed-source edition of Virtualbox
[17:55] <moustafa> Ah
[17:55] <ulysses__> No problem, I repeat the test without guest additions
[18:19] <davmor2> sbeattie: that is the method I have used in the past using the additions cd image.  That is the method where by it gets removed.
[18:19] <sbeattie> ah.
[18:22] <davmor2> sbeattie: haven't used vb for a while though and that was the recommended way at the time :)
[18:34] <moustafa> davmor2: Good thing the repositories make the process a lot easier then
[18:35] <davmor2> moustafa: I don't know I use kvm and virt-manager
[18:35] <moustafa> haven't used those, don't know if they can do what I want them to do
[18:36] <sbeattie> davmor2: I found kvm to be significantly slower than virtualbox on my particular hardware...
[18:37] <davmor2> sbeattie: it's fine for what I need which tends to be checking that stuff does work
[18:37] <davmor2> I mostly test on hw though
[19:01] <nagappan> any clues, why I get this on Ubuntu 9.10
[19:01] <nagappan> --2009-12-09 10:34:15--  http://archive.canonical.com/pool/partner/a/adobe-flashplugin/adobe-flashplugin_10.0.42.34.orig.tar.gz
[19:01] <nagappan> Resolving archive.canonical.com... 91.189.90.142
[19:01] <nagappan> Connecting to archive.canonical.com|91.189.90.142|:80... failed: Connection timed out.
[19:01] <nagappan> Retrying.
[19:17] <nperry> INTERWEB BROKEN
[19:17] <nperry> nagappan: it works for me, on lucid
[19:18] <nagappan> nperry, ah ! ok
[19:18] <nagappan> nperry, now retry 14 is going on
[19:18] <nagappan> nperry, except this package all other packages are getting installed
[19:19] <nagappan> nperry, ah ! through FF it works !
[19:19] <nperry> How odd :s
[19:19] <nagappan> nperry, guess its not getting the proxy info correctly ?
[19:20] <nperry> Im never a fan of proxies :)
[19:20] <nagappan> nperry, in my org (VMware) we don't have any other option
[19:20] <nagappan> nperry, we have to access outside world, only through proxy
[19:20] <nperry> I feel for you
[19:20] <davmor2> nagappan: I just tried it works fine from here on real hw
[19:21] <nagappan> davmor2, cool, I think it should be proxy issue, synaptic doesn't pickup the proxy info when trying to fetch a file outside of .deb repo
[19:25] <nagappan> nperry, davmor2, it works fine with "dselect install" from command line
[19:29] <ara> does sound work fine for you on real hw?
[19:31] <ara> in kvm ubuntu opening sound is something like prrrr, brrrr, prrrr
[19:33] <ulysses__> I upgraded a Kubuntu Karmic in Virtualbox to Lucid, but the upgrade failed. After login I got a text screen with lots of error messages. Should I attach  a screenshot about the VM to a bug report? What should I report?
[19:36] <ara> ulysses__, the logs at /var/log/dist-upgrade are the most useful
[19:36] <ara> ulysses__, do you get a console?
[19:37] <ulysses__> no, only a screen full with error messages. I didn't try recovery mode yet
[19:38] <ara> ulysses__, but you say "after login"
[19:39] <ulysses__> yes. I type my password, press the Enter, and then it change to a black screen, full with messages
[19:39] <ulysses__> screenshot: http://noob.hu/2009/12/09/upgarde.png
[19:41] <ara> ulysses__, I got that too on kvm, it recovers, though, after a couple of minutes
[19:41] <ulysses__> hm, if I am right, the upgrade was not completed, I choosed recovery console and fix broken packages
[19:44] <ulysses__> it looks good, the X started after fixing broken packages
[19:44] <ulysses__> nice:)
[19:45] <ara> ulysses__, the udevd warnings are irrelevant to the fail of upgrade
[19:45] <ara> ulysses__, the warnings are known as bug 491775
[19:45] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 491775 in brltty "udevd warnings in /lib/udev/rules.d/85-brltty.rules" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/491775
[19:45] <ara> ulysses__, now that you recovered, it would be nice to have a look under your /var/log/dist-upgrade to check any upgrade errors
[19:48] <davmor2> ulysses__: it may of been that the archive is still being worked on for kubuntu
[19:50] <ulysses__> many message in apt-log "package .... broken, depends on..."
[19:54]  * moustafa has a croissant
[19:55] <fader_> It's true, he does have a croissant
[19:55] <fader_> He's very popular.
[19:56] <cr3> fader_: it's really true, he does have a croissant
[19:57] <moustafa> fader_ : It's tasty too
[19:58] <fader_> moustafa: If it crashes before the last bite, you should be able to run 'ubuntu-bug pastry --type=croissant'
[19:58] <moustafa> Great, I just realized baguette would make for a great easter egg in a video game
[19:58] <moustafa> I didn't know ubuntu-bug extended to pastries
[19:59] <moustafa> fader_ : it's pretty handy
[20:00]  * moustafa wonders if ubuntu-bug can be any handy-er
[20:00] <fader_> moustafa: The real problem is getting USB drivers from the bakery so you can plug a keyboard into the bread
[20:01] <moustafa> fader_ : Can't we just use ndswrapper?
[20:01] <davmor2> fader_: any of the certified stuff got an ati gfx card in it?
[20:02] <fader_> moustafa: That will get you etherloaf but not keybread
[20:02] <fader_> davmor2: Hmm, possibly.  Looking for desktop?
[20:02] <davmor2> fader_: yes jockey fail confirmation
[20:03] <fader_> davmor2: Give me a couple of minutes to look.  Also, I thought ATI open-sourced their driver?
[20:04] <davmor2> fader_: there are 2 they open-sourced what they could but still have the fglrx binary
[20:04] <davmor2> fader_: I think the 2d works wicked though
[20:07] <fader_> davmor2: Will a laptop do or does it need to be a desktop specifically?
[20:08] <davmor2> fader_: that'll do
[20:08] <fader_> If a laptop will do I have one lined up for you that moustafa has physical access to
[20:08]  * fader_ whistles innocently and acts nonchalant about passing off work to someone else.
[20:09] <davmor2> fader_: yeah laptop is fine it's only to double check if jockey is working with ati fglrx
[20:09] <fader_> davmor2: What needs to happen?
[20:10] <davmor2> do an install wait for jockey to say there are drivers available and try and install them :)
[20:10] <fader_> davmor2: Okay.  Got a "Mobility Radeon HD 4300 Series" card in one ready to try.
[20:11] <fader_> moustafa: I'll set up an install of system 200910-4252 in the lab; can you go stab the power button in a moment and get it started?
[20:11] <fader_> davmor2: Actually, it has yesterday's image already installed if that will do
[20:11] <fader_> If not I'll reimage it
[20:12] <moustafa> fader_ : Should I do it now?
[20:12] <davmor2> might do
[20:12] <davmor2> fader_: ^
[20:12] <fader_> moustafa: Hang on, let's try it as it is now
[20:12] <fader_> moustafa: Can you go log into that system and run jockey?  System - Administration - Hardware Drivers
[20:14] <moustafa> fader_ I have to reboot it, it froze after I took it out of the screensaver
[20:15] <charlie-tca> Okay, I screwed the tracker up before I downloaded the new images. Xubuntu alternate 64 worked
[20:15] <fader_> moustafa: Weird... I'm still logged into it
[20:15] <fader_> moustafa: let me reboot it from here
[20:15] <moustafa> all right
[20:15]  * davmor2 ponders if this is the malware screensaver
[20:15] <fader_> moustafa: Er, wait, I lied
[20:15] <fader_> my connection hung
[20:15] <moustafa> Ah, Ha!
[20:15] <fader_> I should have noticed that the hostname changed on my prompt :)
[20:16] <fader_> You'll have to engage manual override
[20:17] <moustafa> fader_ It's rebooting
[20:17] <fader_> moustafa: Thanks.
[20:17] <moustafa> be back in 2 minutes
[20:17] <fader_> davmor2: So what would indicate that we need to reinstall this system and test again?  If jockey works perfectly or if it breaks horribly?
[20:17] <fader_> I assume you're seeing breakage?
[20:18] <davmor2> yeah bug 494699
[20:18] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 494699 in jockey "Ati binary driver failed to install using jockey" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/494699
[20:19] <charlie-tca> davmor2: how thorough is the testing for alpha1?
[20:20] <davmor2> charlie-tca: nail as much as you can :)
[20:20] <charlie-tca> will do. Been trying for two days just to get an install
[20:21] <charlie-tca> Everything after that is a plus!
[20:22] <davmor2> try and stagger it so all the ground is covered
[20:22] <davmor2> yeah everything has been a bit broken
[20:27] <davmor2> fader_, moustafa: any joy?
[20:28] <moustafa> back, I guess I need for the install to finish before trying jockey again
[20:28] <moustafa> davmor2: I had to manually reboot the machine, so it went into the network install
[20:30] <davmor2> :(
[20:31] <sal_> new to testing.  have an extra partition set off of an existing install.  would like to get lucid in there ..
[20:31] <sal_> would like to boot from usb if possible
[20:31] <ulysses__> any kubuntu tester here, or I am alone?:)
[20:32] <sal_> any suggestions welcome - i've read through the wiki pages already ..
[20:32] <moustafa> sal_ : it is possible, just the USB Startup Disk Creator
[20:32] <davmor2> ulysses__: no I move on to kubuntu
[20:33] <sal_> got the usb creator.  should i go ahead and use the cuurent .iso?
[20:33] <davmor2> sal_: yeap
[20:34] <sal_> can i do all the rsync on the usb?  or once i get the install, is the update mgr work from there?
[20:34] <sal_> any advice on setting up good partitions?
[20:36] <moustafa> sal_: Not sure if you can rsync the usb, as for good partitions, I usually split it in 3 to keep it simple
[20:36] <moustafa> sal_ : One for root of 4-8 Gb, one for Swap (up to 2Gb) and the rest for Home
[20:37] <davmor2> sal_: once installed you can just use update manager to keep the image up-to-date.  If you have free space on the drive just tell ubuntu to use the free space and leave it at that
[20:38] <moustafa> sal_ : The three partitions is for a hard drive.  Keep the USB drive at one partition, unless you plan on never inserting it into a Windows machine
[20:40] <sal_> thanks folks ..
[20:43] <sal_> the drive i am working on has swap existing, about 8gb running linuxmint now, the other 100-ish gb holding an old ubuntu install, maybe 6.10.
[20:44] <sal_> it is this last partition (all ext3) i would like to wipe clean for lucid.  do not have a separate /home partition ..
[20:46] <davmor2> sbeattie: is there an easy way to get the dl-ubuntu-test-iso.py
[20:46] <moustafa> davmor2, fader_: jockey-gtk fails to start
[20:46] <davmor2> yay that's worse than I got :)
[20:47] <moustafa> Even the text mode fails
[20:47] <sbeattie> davmor2: it very recently got renamed (dropping the .py) but can be downloaded from http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-bugcontrol/ubuntu-qa-tools/master/annotate/head%3A/dl-ubuntu-test-iso/dl-ubuntu-test-iso
[20:48] <davmor2> ulysses__: ^
[20:49] <davmor2> sbeattie: is that what all the moved bits were in the last bzr pull
[20:49] <ulysses__> got it
[20:49] <sbeattie> davmor2: yep
[20:50] <sbeattie> davmor2: the old shell script went away, and the horrible python version finally got promoted to take its place.
[20:50] <davmor2> ulysses__: like I say it will zsync everything which means the first run will be slowish but after that it'll only grab the difference between isos
[21:02] <moustafa> fader_ : I found an interesting bug on 200910-4252
[21:02] <moustafa> fader_ : The F1-F12 keys are interpreted as their fn functions, rather than the usual F1-F12
[21:13] <moustafa> fader_ : Any idea as to why the laptops in the lab don't have internet access?
[21:14] <fader_> moustafa: Yes :)
[21:14] <fader_> moustafa: Because they're behind a firewall that is configured to not allow them internet access
[21:14] <moustafa> fader_ Ah, so how would I go about to giving them access to launchpad?
[21:14] <fader_> moustafa: They can get updates from the archive but that's about it
[21:15] <fader_> moustafa: It'd be a long involved process, unfortunately.  It's on my list of things to research, but I wouldn't count on it happening in the next week. :/
[21:15] <moustafa> Gotcha
[21:16] <fader_> moustafa: Re the F1-12 keys, I'm honestly not sure if that's a bug or a feature... it might be hardware-dependent
[21:16] <fader_> Though I am pretty sure there's a bug already filed about it if you poke around
[21:16] <moustafa> fader_ I'm searching for anything similar, and I'm pretty sure it's a bug
[21:17] <davmor2> moustafa: for now you can grab the crash file from /var/crash drop it onto a usb stick and then run ubuntu-bug /media/path/to/usbstick to fire off the report
[21:17] <ulysses__> davmor2: what should I do, if I want to download only the i386 ISOs?
[21:18] <fader_> davmor2: Does that work correctly?  I thought you had to run ubuntu-bug on the system where the crash occurred for it to be valuable
[21:18] <fader_> Even with a crash file I mean
[21:18] <davmor2> sorry should read ubuntu-bug /media/path/to/usbstick/_crash_file
[21:19] <davmor2> fader_: worked for me when I had no internet but it needs to be a crash which grabs the info in advance
[21:19] <fader_> bdmurray: I think you know the answer to this :)  Is it valid to copy the crash dump from one machine and run ubuntu-bug against it on another machine?
[21:20] <moustafa> davmor2: There's nothing in /var/crash
[21:20] <fader_> davmor2: Hmm, I swear I thought I heard someone say that didn't work correctly, but I'll bow to your experience.
[21:21] <davmor2> moustafa: but it crashed right?
[21:21] <moustafa> davmor2: It simply didn't start
[21:21] <moustafa> I could try it again to make sure, but it just doesn't start
[21:21] <moustafa> even by going through the terminal, it fails
[21:21] <davmor2> moustafa: run it from cli
[21:22] <davmor2> moustafa: it might fail but it should give some info some where
[21:22] <moustafa> davmor2: see my previous comment ;)
[21:22] <moustafa> davmor2: I could redirect the output if that could help
[21:24] <bdmurray> fader_: yes, that would work
[21:24] <davmor2> fader_: :P
[21:24] <fader_> bdmurray: Thanks.
[21:24]  * fader_ heaps ashes on his head.
[21:24] <fader_> davmor2: You were right; mea culpa mea maxima culpa. :)
[21:26] <davmor2> fader_: your a cuppa ;)
[21:28] <davmor2> ulysses__: add --only-variant=i386
[21:29] <ulysses__> thanks
[21:29] <davmor2> ulysses__: sorry --only-arch=i386
[21:59] <charlie-tca> Anyone else seeing no splash screens when the desktop cd starts up
[21:59] <ulysses__> yes
[21:59] <charlie-tca> bug number?
[22:00] <davmor2> charlie-tca: I think there is one but it is stupidly faded
[22:00] <charlie-tca> great!
[22:01]  * charlie-tca still glad to have the desktop cd today
[22:03] <davmor2> charlie-tca: and on alpha 1 that has to be a record I can't remember the last time we had live cd's on alpha1
[22:03] <davmor2> 2+ yes
[22:03] <charlie-tca> That's right... It should be alternate only, right?
[22:04] <davmor2> normally
[22:07] <charlie-tca> Karmic was the first time Xubuntu even had any alpha 1 image
[22:08] <davmor2> charlie-tca: yes cause jaunty's didn't run
[22:09] <charlie-tca> we're trying, we're trying
[22:09] <davmor2> very ;)
[22:10] <charlie-tca> :-)
[22:39] <davmor2> Right I'm off guys ttyl
[22:49] <komputes> Can http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com include a use case for USB installation build from usb-creator. This would test creating a key from the CD/Live Environment + Test if the bootable USB disk environment has any bugs/issues.
[22:50] <komputes> fader_: ^ do you have access to add test cases?
[22:51] <fader_> komputes: No... I think you need to talk to ara to get testcases added
[22:51] <fader_> I don't have access to do it
[22:51] <komputes> fader_: will send her an email
[22:51] <komputes> thx
[22:51] <xtjacob> what is the best way to download the Ubuntu 10.04 iso?
[22:52] <komputes> xtjacob: cdimage.ubuntu.com
[22:52] <xtjacob> i mean program wise like direct link, jigdo, etc.
[22:53] <komputes> xtjacob: if you're downloading the daily iso on a regular basis, I think this can help you: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RsyncCdImage
[22:53] <komputes> xtjacob: heard jigdo was very good, but never used it myself
[22:55] <xtjacob> komputes: I'm using jigdo right now
[22:57] <xtjacob> I hope it works, seems to be having a lot of 404 erroes
[22:57] <moustafa> fader_, davmor2: Good evening!
[22:57] <fader_> moustafa: ciao