[21:27] <dhillon-v10> newz2000: hi :)
[21:27] <newz2000> hi dhillon-v10
[21:28] <dhillon-v10> newz2000, finally got in touch with you, how are you?
[21:28] <newz2000> good, how are you today?
[21:29] <dhillon-v10> newz2000, not bad, I was waiting to get in touch with you because you told me to see you here for Ubuntu website editors and Ubuntu Start page teams
[21:29] <newz2000> ah, I know who you are now. :-)
[21:30] <newz2000> I'm sorry for the delay, I was in a meeting in London last week and on holiday the week before.
[21:30] <newz2000> I'm still not quite caught up
[21:30] <dhillon-v10> newz2000, sorry about that :) I didn't know how else to introduce myself
[21:30] <newz2000> No need to be sorry
[21:30] <newz2000> So you want to get involved, eh?
[21:33] <dhillon-v10> newz2000, yup :) This is the first time I get a chance to show my skills in web designing :)
[21:33] <newz2000> dhillon-v10: what did you ahve in mind?
[21:35] <dhillon-v10> newz2000, please elaborate on that one, I know a lot of web languages: HTML, Java, CSS, PHP, and SQL I am learning django
[21:35] <newz2000> dhillon-v10: in what way did you want to contribute, did you have something in mind?
[21:36] <dhillon-v10> newz2000, I see that Ubuntu website sometimes for searches takes too long while performing the query (I used firebug for that) so I want to, if I can provide an optimization algorithm that makes the searches faster :)
[21:37] <newz2000> wow, that's very specific! You're talking about the search box at the top of the page on ubuntu.com?
[21:37] <dhillon-v10> yah that and also in the Ubuntu wiki :)
[21:38] <dhillon-v10> newz2000, since you are an expert in this field so I though you would be the best person to ask :)
[21:38] <newz2000> Well, we currently use two different systems for these sites
[21:38] <newz2000> www.ubuntu.com uses Google's Custom Site Search
[21:38] <newz2000> And the wikis use the in-built search of Moin Moin, our wiki
[21:39] <newz2000> wiki.ubuntu.com is a pretty massive site.
[21:39] <newz2000> dhillon-v10: do you have an idea on how to make them faster?
[21:40] <dhillon-v10> newz2000, alright the wiki query system needs some improvements because the searches are really slow, the javascript can be analyzed in a profiler and the "hot-spots" can thus be optimized to get better performance
[21:40] <dhillon-v10> newz2000, I mean the Moin Moin search part
[21:40] <newz2000> right
[21:41] <newz2000> I want to encourage your enthusiasm, but I'm not sure that throwing resources at this is the best way to improve things...
[21:41] <newz2000> you see, we basically use a stock Moin, so you can contribute improvements upstream to the moin project
[21:41] <newz2000> but I think that our plan is to implement a Google Search Appliance and use it to provide unified search to all of our sites
[21:42] <newz2000> and that should be quite fast
[21:42] <dhillon-v10> newz2000, I see, okay so are there any bugs that I could fix here
[21:42] <newz2000> There are a couple I can think of… let me ask you, do you like to do design or code development most?
[21:43] <dhillon-v10> newz2000, both :) they both involve thinking
[21:44] <dhillon-v10> design will be a better one, I am a bit lazy
[21:44] <newz2000> ok
[21:44] <dhillon-v10> newz2000, yay!!!
[21:45] <newz2000> There is a project about to start to do work on kubuntu.org, does this sound like something you may be interested in?
[21:45] <dhillon-v10> sure, is it project timelord
[21:45] <dhillon-v10> * under project timelord
[21:45] <newz2000> and likewise the fridge.ubuntu.com site needs someone to give it a lot of TLC
[21:45] <newz2000> project timelord? I've not heard of that
[21:46] <newz2000> oh, no, not part of timelord
[21:46] <dhillon-v10> newz2000, its Kubuntu's improvement plan, they are doing almost everything over, I write docs. for them
[21:46] <newz2000> ah, didn't know that
[21:46] <dhillon-v10> newz2000, alright :)
[21:46] <newz2000> There is a guy from the community, Ofir is his name
[21:46] <newz2000> he's been contacting me this week and last
[21:46] <newz2000> he is workign with Drupal
[21:46] <newz2000> he wants to improve the site and especially the download page
[21:47] <dhillon-v10> drupal is awesome :)
[21:47] <newz2000> We have some very tight constraints to work with (i.e. security constraints)
[21:47] <newz2000> dhillon-v10: what part of the world are you in?
[21:47] <dhillon-v10> I live in Orlando, Florida USA
[21:48] <newz2000> oh, nice. I used to live near there (Sarasota area). I'm in Iowa now w/ 14" of snow wishing I was nearer to you. :-)
[21:48] <dhillon-v10> newz2000, its nice right now, but it will rain soon :)
[21:49] <dhillon-v10> newz2000, so do I meet the qualifications for Ubuntu website editors team or the start page team may be?
[21:49] <newz2000> I don't think joining those teams on launchpad is going to be beneficial to you
[21:49] <newz2000> they're just administrivia and will get you a lot of email
[21:50] <newz2000> dhillon-v10: are you on the web presence team mailing list? If so, that's the best place.
[21:50] <dhillon-v10> newz2000, that's also one of the things I would like to have, they look good on your profile even though I will be working with you :)
[21:51] <newz2000> ok, on Friday I'll be revamping the teams and I'll see if it makes sense to put you on there at that time. I have your emails so will be able to remember to do that...
[21:51] <newz2000> so about you contributing,
[21:51] <newz2000> I can help get you in touch with the Kubuntu team members, where you'd be working with them… or
[21:51] <dhillon-v10> newz2000, you are my new hero yay!!
[21:51] <newz2000> I can get you in touch with the fridge team which aiui has no one working on a design project and desperately want help, or
[21:52] <newz2000> I can ask you to wait until the spring when we'll be doing count down banners and etc again
[21:52] <newz2000> which would you like?
[21:52] <newz2000> or,
[21:52] <dhillon-v10> alright, I would like to get started now, which one do you think is the best one
[21:52] <newz2000> http://cloud.ubuntu.com/ team wants a theme for their planet planet site that matches the wiki
[21:53] <dhillon-v10> newz2000, I am not too artistic so I guess I can help out aiui on fridge
[21:54] <newz2000> aiui = as I understand it
[21:54] <newz2000> you'd be the only one on the fridge
[21:54] <dhillon-v10> newz2000, ahh I learned a new abbreviation :) alright so what would I have to do on fridge
[21:55] <newz2000> create a new design for a news site, implement it in drupal
[21:55] <newz2000> I can point you at some work that's been done in planning
[21:55] <newz2000> dhillon-v10: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Website/FridgeTheme
[21:56] <dhillon-v10> sounds really interesting, I am a student so I get a lot of school work as well, are there strict time limits on designing stuff
[21:56] <newz2000> no
[21:56] <newz2000> that one is a big project though
[21:56] <GreySim> You don't really need art skills if you're just matching/porting themes...slice and dice the existing one and reassemble it.
[21:56] <newz2000> dhillon-v10: if you want to start small, an easier task may be to port the wiki theme to planet planet for cloud.ubuntu.com
[21:56] <newz2000> that would be all html/css work
[21:58] <dhillon-v10> that should be easy, sorry but can you please tell me what planet planet is (probably a website)
[21:58] <newz2000> dhillon-v10: planet planet is a blog aggregator tool. It grabs RSS feeds every hour or so and generates a static website from them
[21:58] <newz2000> it uses a symplistic python based template system
[21:59] <newz2000> www.planetplanet.org
[21:59] <dhillon-v10> alright, porting the theme should be easy and I'll get started sometime after I get some sleep :)
[21:59] <newz2000> ok, awesome
[21:59] <newz2000> dhillon-v10: here's what I would do...
[21:59] <newz2000> download the planet planet source and get it working on your PC
[21:59] <newz2000> then start hacking on the theme
[22:00] <newz2000> I'd basically do an exact port
[22:00] <newz2000> then we can show it to the cloud team, and they'll probably want you to do a couple tweaks to make it more "cloud-ish"
[22:00] <dhillon-v10> newz2000, one question: the website you linked out to has a very simple layout would you like the same thing as a draft
[22:01] <newz2000> I'd say it's a great starting point
[22:01] <newz2000> Oh
[22:01] <newz2000> planet.ubuntu.com already has the base theme made...
[22:01] <newz2000> let me get you the source to that and then you can just customize that
[22:02] <dhillon-v10> newz2000, I wrote a script a little while ago to obtain all the CSS and javascripts from a website, so that would be very helpful here with firebug :)
[22:05] <newz2000> dhillon-v10: ok, I have a theme for you, you can use it as a basis. Obviously, refrences to planet.ubuntu.com need to be replaced with cloud.ubuntu.com and may want to do some minimal branding to make it cloud-like.
[22:06] <newz2000> dhillon-v10: just emailed it
[22:07] <newz2000> I know the cloud guys would be exstatic to have a nicer looking theme
[22:07] <dhillon-v10> alright, so let me summarize all the steps: 1. get the source you emailed me 2. make it look like planet planet theme you showed me and do some edit 3. change some of the CSS to accomplish that
[22:07] <dhillon-v10> is that all of it
[22:08] <newz2000> yeah, this should be pretty easy… regardign step 2,
[22:08] <dhillon-v10> newz2000, wait how do you know my email?
[22:08] <newz2000> You emailed me last week
[22:08] <dhillon-v10> newz2000, ahh :)
[22:08] <dhillon-v10> sorry about that, I didn't drink coffee this afternoon
[22:08] <newz2000> dhillon-v10: but don't make this theme look like planetplanet.org, instead alter it only slightly from planet.ubuntu.com in order to make it have a cloud emphasis
[22:09] <dhillon-v10> newz2000, alright so more like this: http://sd.ubuntu-us.org/
[22:09] <dhillon-v10> and cloud stuff added
[22:10] <newz2000> dhillon-v10: if you want it to look like that, sure… I'd borrow the HTML and CSS from ubuntu.com's ubuntu09 theme
[22:10] <newz2000> but you can keep it looking like planet.ubuntu.com if you like
[22:11] <newz2000> in that tgz file look for a file called test.html, I think it's your theme
[22:11] <dhillon-v10> alright, off to sleep nice talking to you and I'll get this done by Friday if that's okay with you
[22:11] <newz2000> that is fine
[22:11] <dhillon-v10> bye
[22:11] <newz2000> bye