=== astechgeek is now known as techgeek === astechgeek is now known as techgeek === techgeek_ is now known as techgeek === GreySim is now known as ClassSim === ClassSim is now known as GreySim [21:27] newz2000: hi :) [21:27] hi dhillon-v10 [21:28] newz2000, finally got in touch with you, how are you? [21:28] good, how are you today? [21:29] newz2000, not bad, I was waiting to get in touch with you because you told me to see you here for Ubuntu website editors and Ubuntu Start page teams [21:29] ah, I know who you are now. :-) [21:30] I'm sorry for the delay, I was in a meeting in London last week and on holiday the week before. [21:30] I'm still not quite caught up [21:30] newz2000, sorry about that :) I didn't know how else to introduce myself [21:30] No need to be sorry [21:30] So you want to get involved, eh? [21:33] newz2000, yup :) This is the first time I get a chance to show my skills in web designing :) [21:33] dhillon-v10: what did you ahve in mind? [21:35] newz2000, please elaborate on that one, I know a lot of web languages: HTML, Java, CSS, PHP, and SQL I am learning django [21:35] dhillon-v10: in what way did you want to contribute, did you have something in mind? [21:36] newz2000, I see that Ubuntu website sometimes for searches takes too long while performing the query (I used firebug for that) so I want to, if I can provide an optimization algorithm that makes the searches faster :) [21:37] wow, that's very specific! You're talking about the search box at the top of the page on ubuntu.com? [21:37] yah that and also in the Ubuntu wiki :) [21:38] newz2000, since you are an expert in this field so I though you would be the best person to ask :) [21:38] Well, we currently use two different systems for these sites [21:38] www.ubuntu.com uses Google's Custom Site Search [21:38] And the wikis use the in-built search of Moin Moin, our wiki [21:39] wiki.ubuntu.com is a pretty massive site. [21:39] dhillon-v10: do you have an idea on how to make them faster? [21:40] newz2000, alright the wiki query system needs some improvements because the searches are really slow, the javascript can be analyzed in a profiler and the "hot-spots" can thus be optimized to get better performance [21:40] newz2000, I mean the Moin Moin search part [21:40] right [21:41] I want to encourage your enthusiasm, but I'm not sure that throwing resources at this is the best way to improve things... [21:41] you see, we basically use a stock Moin, so you can contribute improvements upstream to the moin project [21:41] but I think that our plan is to implement a Google Search Appliance and use it to provide unified search to all of our sites [21:42] and that should be quite fast [21:42] newz2000, I see, okay so are there any bugs that I could fix here [21:42] There are a couple I can think of… let me ask you, do you like to do design or code development most? [21:43] newz2000, both :) they both involve thinking [21:44] design will be a better one, I am a bit lazy [21:44] ok [21:44] newz2000, yay!!! [21:45] There is a project about to start to do work on kubuntu.org, does this sound like something you may be interested in? [21:45] sure, is it project timelord [21:45] * under project timelord [21:45] and likewise the fridge.ubuntu.com site needs someone to give it a lot of TLC [21:45] project timelord? I've not heard of that [21:46] oh, no, not part of timelord [21:46] newz2000, its Kubuntu's improvement plan, they are doing almost everything over, I write docs. for them [21:46] ah, didn't know that [21:46] newz2000, alright :) [21:46] There is a guy from the community, Ofir is his name [21:46] he's been contacting me this week and last [21:46] he is workign with Drupal [21:46] he wants to improve the site and especially the download page [21:47] drupal is awesome :) [21:47] We have some very tight constraints to work with (i.e. security constraints) [21:47] dhillon-v10: what part of the world are you in? [21:47] I live in Orlando, Florida USA [21:48] oh, nice. I used to live near there (Sarasota area). I'm in Iowa now w/ 14" of snow wishing I was nearer to you. :-) [21:48] newz2000, its nice right now, but it will rain soon :) [21:49] newz2000, so do I meet the qualifications for Ubuntu website editors team or the start page team may be? [21:49] I don't think joining those teams on launchpad is going to be beneficial to you [21:49] they're just administrivia and will get you a lot of email [21:50] dhillon-v10: are you on the web presence team mailing list? If so, that's the best place. [21:50] newz2000, that's also one of the things I would like to have, they look good on your profile even though I will be working with you :) [21:51] ok, on Friday I'll be revamping the teams and I'll see if it makes sense to put you on there at that time. I have your emails so will be able to remember to do that... [21:51] so about you contributing, [21:51] I can help get you in touch with the Kubuntu team members, where you'd be working with them… or [21:51] newz2000, you are my new hero yay!! [21:51] I can get you in touch with the fridge team which aiui has no one working on a design project and desperately want help, or [21:52] I can ask you to wait until the spring when we'll be doing count down banners and etc again [21:52] which would you like? [21:52] or, [21:52] alright, I would like to get started now, which one do you think is the best one [21:52] http://cloud.ubuntu.com/ team wants a theme for their planet planet site that matches the wiki [21:53] newz2000, I am not too artistic so I guess I can help out aiui on fridge [21:54] aiui = as I understand it [21:54] you'd be the only one on the fridge [21:54] newz2000, ahh I learned a new abbreviation :) alright so what would I have to do on fridge [21:55] create a new design for a news site, implement it in drupal [21:55] I can point you at some work that's been done in planning [21:55] dhillon-v10: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Website/FridgeTheme [21:56] sounds really interesting, I am a student so I get a lot of school work as well, are there strict time limits on designing stuff [21:56] no [21:56] that one is a big project though [21:56] You don't really need art skills if you're just matching/porting themes...slice and dice the existing one and reassemble it. [21:56] dhillon-v10: if you want to start small, an easier task may be to port the wiki theme to planet planet for cloud.ubuntu.com [21:56] that would be all html/css work [21:58] that should be easy, sorry but can you please tell me what planet planet is (probably a website) [21:58] dhillon-v10: planet planet is a blog aggregator tool. It grabs RSS feeds every hour or so and generates a static website from them [21:58] it uses a symplistic python based template system [21:59] www.planetplanet.org [21:59] alright, porting the theme should be easy and I'll get started sometime after I get some sleep :) [21:59] ok, awesome [21:59] dhillon-v10: here's what I would do... [21:59] download the planet planet source and get it working on your PC [21:59] then start hacking on the theme [22:00] I'd basically do an exact port [22:00] then we can show it to the cloud team, and they'll probably want you to do a couple tweaks to make it more "cloud-ish" [22:00] newz2000, one question: the website you linked out to has a very simple layout would you like the same thing as a draft [22:01] I'd say it's a great starting point [22:01] Oh [22:01] planet.ubuntu.com already has the base theme made... [22:01] let me get you the source to that and then you can just customize that [22:02] newz2000, I wrote a script a little while ago to obtain all the CSS and javascripts from a website, so that would be very helpful here with firebug :) [22:05] dhillon-v10: ok, I have a theme for you, you can use it as a basis. Obviously, refrences to planet.ubuntu.com need to be replaced with cloud.ubuntu.com and may want to do some minimal branding to make it cloud-like. [22:06] dhillon-v10: just emailed it [22:07] I know the cloud guys would be exstatic to have a nicer looking theme [22:07] alright, so let me summarize all the steps: 1. get the source you emailed me 2. make it look like planet planet theme you showed me and do some edit 3. change some of the CSS to accomplish that [22:07] is that all of it [22:08] yeah, this should be pretty easy… regardign step 2, [22:08] newz2000, wait how do you know my email? [22:08] You emailed me last week [22:08] newz2000, ahh :) [22:08] sorry about that, I didn't drink coffee this afternoon [22:08] dhillon-v10: but don't make this theme look like planetplanet.org, instead alter it only slightly from planet.ubuntu.com in order to make it have a cloud emphasis [22:09] newz2000, alright so more like this: http://sd.ubuntu-us.org/ [22:09] and cloud stuff added [22:10] dhillon-v10: if you want it to look like that, sure… I'd borrow the HTML and CSS from ubuntu.com's ubuntu09 theme [22:10] but you can keep it looking like planet.ubuntu.com if you like [22:11] in that tgz file look for a file called test.html, I think it's your theme [22:11] alright, off to sleep nice talking to you and I'll get this done by Friday if that's okay with you [22:11] that is fine [22:11] bye [22:11] bye