[00:02] hmm, plasma crashes for me in a chroot but a different crash [00:03] amichair: are you compiling plasma? [00:03] nope, still poking around at the kde sources [00:06] I'm a bit out of ideas on how to recreate it [00:07] Riddell: u mean u have a clean boot with no crash? [00:08] no I don't have lucid installed [00:08] and on karmic I'd need to compile qt 4.6 kdelibs 4.4 kdebase-runtime and kdebase-workspace [00:08] to have a chance of recreating it [00:10] and X doesn't seem to be working in lucid so I can't install it [00:11] ulysses__: you don't have a working lucid install I take it? [00:12] Riddell: why not use virtualbox or some other vm? that's what I'm doing. takes 2 minutes to set up. [00:14] is a thought, I've not had much luck with virtualbox in the past [00:16] what kind of problems? [00:17] it's worth a shot. it's an invaluable tool for testing... [00:17] dunno let's try and see [00:17] I only have 1GB of memory though, don't know if it's enough [00:18] what's the minimum for kubuntu? [00:19] I used to run kubuntu in vbox with 1GB on a pentium 4 under windows... even that worked well. [00:23] 320MB [00:23] hmm, doesn't work, just gets to the bios then turns the virtual machine off [00:24] did u mount the iso cd? [00:24] I think so [00:24] it has the name of the ISO under CD/DVD-ROM [00:25] btw what cpu do u have? [00:25] model name : Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU T7250 @ 2.00GHz [00:30] u gave the vm 320MB? [00:30] everything else on defaults? [00:31] is the iso.qa login the same as brainstorm? or is something just fubar? [00:31] seems the ISO wasn't properly synced [00:32] working better now after an rsync, I wonder how long this thing takes to boot [00:32] firephoto: it's separate [00:32] Riddell: thanks... sure do wish they'd get around to consolidating everything someday. [00:33] Riddell: in general, I've found vms to boot quite faster than real machines. this particular iso feels slower than ever... [00:34] mh. I have recently seen a blue screen that was really blue in Windows 7. [00:35] was it your software's fault? [00:35] * maco ducks [00:35] no, I tried to boot win7 [00:35] haha [00:35] I have a talent for making windows installation fail by looking at them [00:35] +s [00:36] staring at a bluescreen is about all the first-hand experience I got with win7 so far [00:36] does a windows installation fail if there's no one there to look at it? [00:36] amichair: well well, that did seem to work [00:36] in Vista I at least had to plug in my headphones to have it bluescreen [00:37] so now all I have to do is remaster the CD image to include a plasma-desktop without that patch and try that. easy. [00:38] Riddell: I'd highly recommend getting used to vboxes... u can make snapshots and go back to them for perfect recreation of bugs, test installations in foreign languages, mess around without fear for losing ur system... it's great! [00:46] JontheEchidna: Can you tutor a prospective Kubuntu bug triager, perhaps in #kubuntu-bugs? [00:47] Sure [00:48] Waiting for him to join #kubuntu-bugs [01:15] hmm, well, that didn't work [01:16] u tried removing patch 71? still crash? [01:17] compiling kdebase-workspace with no patches, copying plasma-desktop into iso, rebuilding iso, booting in VM, still crash [01:17] as the debug messages suggest, this might be a configuration error [01:17] configuration of what? [01:17] dunno, plasma? [01:18] we tried removing our config file, that didn't help [01:18] fact is, adding even a single basic containment to appletsrc prevents the crash [01:18] maybe there's something missing [01:19] if we remove our config, is a default supposed to be created? [01:21] yes, although that should happen anyway, the config file only sets a couple of trivial options [01:22] so maybe the bug is in detecting/creating the default? [01:22] maybe [01:23] but I guess it's upstream, if it still occurs without any patches or our configs [01:24] it would be nice to think so [01:25] but we'd probably know about it if it was a general upstream issue [01:25] probably [01:26] so what is "new" for the first Alpha? [01:26] * claydoh pens some release notes [01:27] qt 4.6, kde sc 4.4 [01:27] but at this rate we're not going to have an alpha 1 [01:27] Riddell: okay [01:29] Riddell: is https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo a good place for ideas for a "what's coming" sort of blurb [01:30] claydoh: yes [01:30] Riddell: cool, was gonna add some of that in there [01:46] Riddell: do we modify libplasma or other relevant kdelibs? [01:49] amichair: Our kdelibs patch list is not short, IIRC [01:50] a messed up libplasma is another suspect [01:51] kubuntu_68_remove_applet_confirmation.diff is the only thing in that area [01:51] and I doubt that's it, it's code is for removing applets [01:51] :-/ [01:57] if I copy my plasma-desktop-appletsrc into the ISO and rebuild the ISO then it starts [01:57] so maybe I should upload a kubuntu-default-setting with that for the sake of getting an alpha 1 out [01:57] not very satisfying [02:03] where's the base plasma config files like the plasma-desktop-appletrc? i don't see one in /usr/share/kde4/confg/ [02:03] nope [02:03] /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde4-profile/default/share/config/plasma-desktop-appletsrc [02:05] ok. so just that one and the others are autogenerated that end up in ~/.kde ? [02:05] they're made by plasma based on its settings [02:07] ok, i can't get plama-desktop to stay up even with no configs here. (which isn't helpful info;) [02:09] that's because plasma dies before it can generate the first config file :( [02:11] more specifically, it dies in the middle of generating it [02:12] hmm, ubiquity didn't start unless I ran it through kdesudo on the command line, then it froze after the first page [02:13] with no k-d-s files. no ~/.kde/share/config/ and a kbuildsycoca4 -noincremental. plasma still dies. [02:14] notice that strangely, it creates the default applets, then does a singleshot timer for 1 second later which calls saveDefaultSetup, which crashes. doesn't that seem like an unstable hack? [02:18] tsimpson: kde rev 1060831, your bug got fixed :) [02:18] http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/?rev=1060831&view=rev | svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk -r 1060831 [02:19] uploading kubuntu-default-settings_10.04ubuntu1_source.changes [02:19] then I need to sleep, I'll ask slangasek to build new CDs when that's in the archive [02:19] JontheEchidna: what do u see in popupapplet.cpp:702 ? [02:20] amichair: but do keep looking for a real answer if can. might be worth asking in #plasma [02:20] Riddell: it's 4:20am... dunno how much longer I can go :-) [02:20] oh jings, go to bed man! [02:20] const int width = qMin(sizeGroup.readEntry("DialogWidth", preferredWidth), [02:20] corona->screenGeometry(-1).width() - 50); [02:20] that's 7-1 and 702 [02:20] *701 [02:21] * Riddell snoozes [02:28] Riddell: The buildd's are free, so I'd suggest upload it and then kick cron the rebuilds for 80 minutes from now. [02:29] oops [02:30] well I'm off to catch some Zs [02:31] the crash seems to happen when saving default config - either one of our fixes to one of the applets is bad or takes too long (more than 1 second), or it's some upstream implementation detail bug. or I'm too tired to think :-P [02:34] JontheEchidna: one possible test would be to remove the default apps and see if it crashes, and if not, try to pinpoint which one causes it (binary search style) [02:35] g'nite! === kubotu_ is now known as kubotu [03:21] do i need to redownload the kubuntu iso for qa testing? specifically for netbook? [03:21] jjesse_: It's going to be rerolled. [03:21] ok cool, i will then plan on testing tomorrow? [03:24] Unless you'll be up for a couple of hours. [03:24] nope that was last night [03:25] OK. Good night then. [03:25] got home from the airport at 5am this mroning [03:27] that's what time I decided to go to bed and then realized it was time to go to work === fenris__ is now known as ejat [05:27] ooh, I have a desktop again in lucid \o [05:27] \o/ rather [06:39] ScottK: is it safe now? [07:34] Anyone know why the Ubuntu forums are dead? [07:37] Dead? [07:39] Darkwing-Netbook: Dead with a database error [07:39] hang on... I know most of the forum admins [07:40] kb9vqf: reply I got... "It's down. It happens [07:41] OK, thanks :) [07:41] Google's almost dead at my location too [07:41] really, really slow...any good DoS attacks going on right now? :P [07:42] kb9vqf: have you checked the connection on your modem? :P:P [08:29] Hiho [09:22] morning [10:11] hey folks; ScottK asked me to ping here when the new kubuntu alpha 1 candidate images were up [10:11] so, ping :) [10:12] yay! [10:13] morning... was the plasma crash solved? [10:18] slangasek: super, thank you! [10:34] slangasek: thanks, trying some in my virtualbox [10:36] * Lure noticed that amd64 is oversized, will try anyhow [10:45] hello [10:57] DarkwingDuck: It's about as safe as it gets. [11:03] how do you get involved in project timelord? [11:07] Translation, ISO testing [11:08] no, I mean how as in what is the procedure :D [11:10] ct529: just doing useful things [11:10] today we need ISO testers [11:11] Riddell: I imagine is a project is launched then there is project structure .... i do not know .... I have experience as programme manager on large international programmes and have been using kubuntu since inception, so I was wondering whether my experience was of any use .... [11:11] ct529: 'getting involved in project timelord' is brilliant marketiting for 'contributing to kubuntu' :-) [11:12] marketing [11:12] okay, let's repeat the OEM install test with the rebuilt ISO [11:12] amichair: oh .... [11:13] amichair: I thought there was large scale project management effort behind it .... [11:13] Riddell: correct me if I'm wrong :-) [11:13] that is one of its main outcomes [11:13] amichair: that is the reason because I said if I can be of any help [11:14] it's some ideas for better quality in kubuntu, to implement it we just keep making kubuntu, but better [11:14] ct529: there is the timelord document with the general goals and direction for kubuntu [11:15] amichair: because I manage / have managed large development projects, like teams of 50+, maybe in 3/4 continents, large budget and many languages .... so I thought maybe this time I can give something back .... apart from the usual testing and spreading [11:17] I'm relatively new here... but I get the feeling some of the various teams/goals could use some organizing... [11:20] amichair: is there someone I can send an "application" to, or a resumee of my type of experience .... I am good with the organising, because it has been my job for a quite a long time, but not brilliant with the coding (very amateurish/ not professional) .... when I develop I mostly use R nowadays .... [11:22] amichair: for statistical stuff of course [11:22] amichair: but I doubt many people in kubuntu would like to use it for anything else :D [11:23] ct529: kubuntu is driven by a community of vulenteers, there's no need for an application at this stage. everyone is welcome to contribute in whatever they enjoy doing - u start off by getting your hands dirty, with time u can take on more and more responsibility [11:25] amichair: well, hands dirty at what? that is the point .... my skills are in project management .... so when I saw the title I though I could give something practical back using skills I have .... (well, and the little spare time I have :D ) .... [11:25] amichair: but if you talk about testing or coding I am useless [11:25] well I'm not a manager, so I don't know how u start off... managing something :-) [11:26] amichair: as in there are developers out there that can eat my head off any time .... [11:26] amichair: :D:D you normally apply .... I have never done it non professionally .... [11:26] I suppose getting familiar with the various aspects/teams is a good start, the types of ongoing work and future goals [11:26] amichair: so I do not know at all .... that was the reason for asking [11:26] ct529: as a free software community project we have limited scope for pure management needs, the main blocker in any part of the project tends to be people to work on it. so say if we needed more testers, the way to solve it would be by starting testing, coming up with procedures for that then becoming more or a leader by recruiting other people to help [11:26] amichair: yes, of course [11:27] Riddell: oh .... I see .... testing what? [11:28] ISOs today [11:28] ct529: maybe with a bit more familiarity you'll see things pop up that could gain from your experience, and go ahead and help with them [11:28] ct529: the alpha 1 ISOs :) here: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/ [11:28] amichair: I have been using kubuntu /ubuntu since inception .... I do not think I can get more familiar than that :D [11:28] amichair: and before I used mandriva and suse [11:28] amichair: on server side we use debian [11:29] ct529: I mean familiarity not with the product, but with the people and processes behind it :-) [11:30] amichair: :) [11:30] ct529: One of the things we most desparately need more help with is bug triaging. Since you are familiar with Kubuntu and it sounds like you have a good professional experience to have an idea which bugs would be the most important, it might be an area you could profitably engage in? [11:31] ulysses__: that is my point .... but to install and test an alpha you need specific TECHNICAL skills not management skills .... [11:31] ScottK: yes that sounds very good .... hwo do you get involved with that? [11:32] ct529: JontheEchidna is our primary bug triager. It is a bit early for him to be awake, but you ask him. [11:32] ScottK: if you need it, I can test in a business environment .... [11:32] ct529: I don't think xou need techinacl skills [11:32] ct529: Also join #kubuntu-bugs. [11:32] ScottK: thanks! do you know what time for him? (sorry if I becoming very quick, but have to go back to office in like 5 min) [11:33] ct529: He lives in -0500 and is here most days/evenings. [11:33] ulysses__: I tried installing RCs in the past and found out that either you are technically VERY good or you need a miracle :D [11:33] ct529: lurking on this channel is a good start in getting to know how things work and where you can step in to contribute [11:33] ScottK: thanks a lot, I will contact him .... do you mind if I save the chat and show it to him? [11:34] amichair: thanks! [11:34] ct529: Not at all. He should see this in his IRC scrollback when he wakes up. [11:34] I have to go .... it was very nice to talk to you all .... see you later, must go back to office! [11:34] ct529: In the mean time you can join #kubuntu-bugs [11:35] ct529: Welcome and see you later. [11:35] ScottK: will do! [11:35] ct529: thanks to you! :-) [11:46] Riddell: anyone find the cause of the plasma crash? [11:51] amichair: not that I know of but today's ISOs seems to boot into plasma fine with the plasma-desktop-appletsrc I added yesterday [11:51] ubiquity doesn't start unless you run it from the command line but seems to run fine otherwise [11:57] ok. at least there's a workaround for the time being. [12:09] what package does the kubuntu splash come from? [12:09] it's still messed up. [12:12] test failed again. the installation process worked, but after reboot there isn't splash screen, and it hangs up again, the last line I see is "* Starting init crypto disks... = to match a parent device, in /li[OK]" Screenshot is here: http://imagebin.ca/view/bnnUh1R.html [12:13] amichair: which one? [12:13] ulysses__: alternate CD? [12:13] Riddell: I just rsynced the amd64 desktop iso. plasma still crashes. [12:14] lucid-desktop-amd64 [12:14] Riddell: yes, lucid-alternate-i386.iso, synced today [12:17] amichair: do you know if it includes the updated plasma-desktop-appletsrc ? [12:18] ulysses__: report a bug on udev I guess [12:18] that was reported yet, bug 491775 [12:18] Launchpad bug 491775 in brltty "udevd warnings in /lib/udev/rules.d/85-brltty.rules" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/491775 [12:19] I talk with slangasek in #ubuntu-testing to report a bug in oem-config [12:19] what's up with oem-config? [12:19] I don't know [12:19] Riddell: it looks like it has a few more things than the old one (which had 2 lines iirc) [12:20] Riddell: but after the crash it restarted and now I see just the wallpaper. maybe it just got half-generated. [12:20] I'll try a fresh reboot again [12:22] hmm, and I can't test amd64 in a virtualbox on a i386 machine [12:23] I thought the T7250 was 64-bit [12:23] not when I have i386 installed [12:24] had problems with amd64? [12:24] no, I just happen not to have it installed [12:25] ok then :-) [12:27] Riddell: yep, still crashes, but this time around there's a wallpaper present. stack trace looks the same. [12:30] Riddell: this is the rc: http://imagebin.ca/view/t5CdvO-u.html [12:32] so it looks like it crashes, then restarts ok with a wallpaper. before it would crash after every restart too. [12:33] Riddell: should there be a battery icon in the panel on a desktop machine? [12:35] okay, I reported a bug 'cause slangasek asked me to do it :-P bug 495012 [12:35] Launchpad bug 495012 in oem-config "Kubuntu OEM install hangs up on boot" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/495012 [12:46] davmor2: preferably not [12:47] Riddell: well it is something for a2 maybe ;) [12:51] what's the command for running the installer (the one that would be on the desktop, if there was one?) [12:51] amichair: davmor2 is reporting no crash on amd64 desktop [12:51] amichair: kdesudo ubiquity === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [12:57] Riddell: does the rc look the same? [12:59] amichair: rc? [12:59] riddell: plasma-desktop-appletsrc [12:59] yes the one you showed is the new updated one [13:00] so all a bit spooky [13:01] yep. spooky action at a distance. [13:33] Just installed Lucid alternate i386 in VM, the install is successful, but I can't login, after typing the username and password I get a black screen with udev error messages (bug 491775 AGAIN) [13:33] Launchpad bug 491775 in brltty "udevd warnings in /lib/udev/rules.d/85-brltty.rules" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/491775 [13:36] ulysses__: try again [13:36] try logging in again, selecting KDE from the session menu [13:37] I'll try it [13:40] same thing [13:42] I've just done the same thing with no problems, inconsistent results are annoying [13:43] very, very annoying [13:44] ubiquity is looking great! only tiny usability issue - when changing keyboard layout, it takes a long time for the combos and layout to be updated, during which they are still editable, which is confusing. [13:45] Riddell: I'm stuck very busy with $WORK today, so no ISO testing for me. It'd be nice if someone could at least smoke test the netbook ISO. [13:45] shtylman's your man for that stuff [13:45] ScottK: I'm rsyncing now [13:45] Cool. Thanks. [13:46] Riddell: I try to fix the broken packages from recovery console, slangasek said me that the brltty was updated, probably it will help me [13:47] * Tm_T hates using old distro releases [13:49] testdrive is your friend... Riddell are you using that? :) [13:52] Hurray, I see the ksplash \o/ [13:57] hurraayyyyyyyy [13:57] I could login \o/ [13:59] ScottK: plasma-netbook crashes :( bug 495043 [13:59] Launchpad bug 495043 in kdebase-workspace "plasma-netbook crashes on startup" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/495043 [13:59] rgreening: what is it? [13:59] Lovely [13:59] Riddell: remember the p-lenary session about testing ISO dailys? [14:00] Dustin Kirkland.... [14:00] must admit I don't [14:00] Never heard of him [14:00] Riddell: after i fixed the broken packages, everything seems to be OK, do you think the test case passed or failed? [14:00] haha [14:00] oh my... Dustin is a server guy... worked on the ecryptfs stuff.... [14:01] https://launchpad.net/testdrive [14:01] ulysses__: it doesn't really matter so long as we have a bug we can release note [14:01] http://blog.dustinkirkland.com/2009/11/introducing-testdrive.html === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk [14:02] Testdrive takes the manually launching kvm, virtualbox, etc and automates it... [14:03] rgreening: I don't get it, what does testrive do that pressing 'start' on virtualbox doesn't? [14:03] user only has to initially setup the pointer for Kubuntu, and then run testdrive. it'll rsync, and launch the vm, and then the rest is up to you. [14:04] Riddell: It doesn't look anything like this does it? https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=217832 [14:04] KDE bug 217832 in wallpaper-image "plasma crash when trying get new wallpaper [Attica::KdePlatformDependent::openWallet, Attica::KdePlatformDependent::KdePlatformDependent, qt_plugin_instance]" [Crash,Unconfirmed] [14:04] amichair: testdrive is for auto syncing a daily iso (for example) and auto launching and autoconfig the vm. [14:04] read the blog. [14:04] it's not for long term or sustained vm's. [14:04] http://theravingrick.blogspot.com/2009/12/and-so-it-begins.html [14:04] http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2009/12/malware-found-in-screensaver-for-ubuntu.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+d0od+%28Omg!+Ubuntu!%29 [14:04] o.O [14:04] it's really meant as a helpful qa tool to get people testing quicker [14:05] if the user doesn't have to worry about tsync, vm config, etc and only in "testing" the live daily iso, it means the barrier for testing is lowered effectively. [14:05] (at least in theory) [14:05] :P [14:05] nice [14:06] ScottK: nope, it crashes loading libattica [14:07] OK. [14:07] hmm nice that it startet on gnome look [14:07] :D [14:08] ScottK: http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/plasma-netbook-crash.png [14:08] ScottK: but don't let me distract you from work! [14:08] I'm avoiding writing an error class right now, so it's fine. [14:09] rgreening: I'm not sure running rsync or telling virtual box which iso to use is the most lengthy part of testing compared to rsync running or virtualbox starting up [14:10] Riddell: bugs.kde.org doesn't seem to know about such a crash, so it might be useful to report it there. [14:10] I understand attica is going to be a hard depends shortly, so it won't go away. [14:10] * ScottK goes back to work [14:10] Riddell: it's not about length, it's about removing obstacles which get in the way of "productive" work units. rsync, vm setup, etc are non productive work units wrt QA. [14:11] when you remove non-productive work units, you are left with only productive ones, which should help yield better quality work units. [14:11] (in theory) [14:12] "In theory, practice and theory are the same. In practice, they are not." [14:12] :-P [14:12] :) [14:14] Riddell: which test case choose you next? [14:15] ulysses__: I'm on netbook now [14:15] ulysses__: we need alternate amd64 tested [14:16] I can't:( my processor doesn't support hardware virtualization, and Virtualbox need it to run 64 bit guests [14:17] but I can test it on my laptop, I have enough space === kubotu_ is now known as kubotu [14:24] anyone else getting errors installing virtualbox-ose-guest-utils (on the amd64 desktop iso)? [14:34] Riddell: why are there a whole heap of kglobalaccel windows in info on the panel? [14:34] yeah, they bugged me too [14:35] anyone want to guess at the cause and give me something to file a bug against please? [14:36] I can guess it's a 'feature', whenever an app registers a global accelerator, it shows up in the new notification system [14:37] I blame upstream [14:37] Riddell: any idea what to file against? [14:38] Riddell: I installed from live to hd, updated the 5 new packages offered by kpackagekit, and now I have a desktop! [14:39] Riddell: although, when I logon (enter credentials) it doesn't do anything (well disappears and reappears), and only on the second login it actually logs in and shows the desktop. dunno if it's related. [14:40] the clock is barely visible, too (dark gray on black) [14:41] ulysses__: I still don't see the splash... how did u fix it? [14:42] amichair: splash during the boot, or during the login? [14:52] davmor2: kdelibs? [15:01] ulysses__: during boot [15:02] oh, I mean during login [15:03] so u still get the dark boot splash problem? [15:03] yes [15:03] \'-( [15:03] Riddell: I thought you said worked as well as you could expect an alpha 1 to work? this has networking and everything :D [15:04] ooh. a typo made a crying pirate! [15:05] is there going to be a new wallpaper for lucid? the default one is getting a bit worn out. === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [15:15] i like this white wallpaper with this 3d pingu :D [15:20] Riddell: are you having to type in your details twice on first login? [15:21] davmor2: yes [15:21] did you file a bug? [15:21] not yet, not sure how to look into where the error is [15:23] Riddell: okay. Also the panel isn't reaching all the way across the screen again :( [15:24] davmor2: are you on amd64 desktop? [15:25] Riddell: yeap [15:26] oh you're getting to play with the alpha now! [15:26] * maco can't wait to get laptop back from repair [15:26] just realised I put my bugs in the wrong place Meh they still apply on alt it just failed the same way :) [15:29] maco: Go steal the netbook. [15:30] ScottK: i dont think i should reset the bios password without permission [15:31] and i still want a shiny arm netbook to play with! [15:31] that would be fun :) [15:31] No Kubuntu love on armel until I figure out how to make boost build. [15:31] Riddell was holding an arm board at UDS and said it had kubuntu on it [15:31] he was looking for a USB keyboard so he could play with it [15:32] That was Karmic. It worked there. [15:32] ah [15:32] * txwikinger is looking for a snowy wallpaper to match the outside [15:33] txwikinger: make sure its just a png, not a deb ;) [15:33] JontheEchidna's wallpaper is safe and has snow. [15:33] maco: ??? a .deb wallpaper? [15:34] krunner crashes like it's going out of style :( [15:34] !find wallpapers [15:34] Found: kdewallpapers, ubuntu-wallpapers, blubuntu-wallpapers, edgy-community-wallpapers, edgy-wallpapers (and 8 others) [15:34] ^^^^^ [15:34] Where is JontheTaco's wallpaper? [15:34] txwikinger: someone made a .deb to install a wallpaper in /usr/share/whatever place gnome puts the default ones (so all users can have them) and put it on gnome-look. only it didnt do just that. it also installed a rootkit. [15:34] maco: Ah [15:35] maco: hosted on a repository ? [15:35] * txwikinger wonders why chrome does not do -webkit-grab [15:35] daSkrEEch: no, just a deb sitting in gnome-look [15:35] Fortunately apturl made it easy to install [15:35] bleah. That was bound to get looked at sooner or later [15:36] social engineering ftw [15:36] natural selection? [15:38] * daSkrEEch yawns [15:38] firefox (installer and app) are out of place in the new hierarchical menu [15:38] How is 4.4 on the lynx? [15:38] amichair: new hierarchical menu? [15:39] amichair: did it revert to the default kde way of having internet -> browsers -> firefox instead of internet -> firefox? [15:39] because kubuntu doesnt follow kde on that. we always have shallower menus [15:39] under internet category there are now sub-categories... it's pretty ugly [15:39] yeah there shouldnt be subcategories. theyll be gone by release [15:39] yuck [15:39] maco: glad to hear. so it needs to be fixed. [15:39] right [15:40] why do we lose that patch every time we package the new kde? [15:40] shouldnt it be in quilt? [15:41] I expect it's a change upstream that has caused it [15:41] and now patch doesnt apply? [15:42] or someone just added a new category [15:42] it's that sensitive? [15:42] it's kind of funny having byobu opening in konsole from the k-menu [15:42] boo i wouldve thought it was just "show_subcategories = false;" [15:44] hola [15:44] hola [15:44] from two different categories, no less! [15:44] it sure is cold out there today [15:44] nope its just me [15:44] nah :| 10 degrees here [15:45] -12C [15:45] :D [15:45] oi [15:45] 10f here :) [15:45] 10 C here [15:45] :) [15:45] 16f here [15:45]