[00:03] xfce fail: [00:03] alt-f2. [00:03] ./Pictures [00:03] "permission denied". [00:03] it tries to execute it, rather than opening it. [00:04] I would have expected it to attempt execution. [00:05] Gnome opens it. [00:05] Though, if I give it a file on my ntfs drive, gnome does attempt to execute it. [00:05] (i've set it mounted exec.) [00:07] So it does what you told it to? [00:08] I'm pretty sure that's expected behavior, but I can't verify ATM [00:08] me too [00:08] Yeah, thinking like a machine, attempting execution seems correct. [00:08] But, as a user, opening it would be nicer. [00:08] so I guess "fail" is the wrong word. [00:08] that's "my assumption fail". [00:11] grr, somehow I killed xfwm4. [00:12] Tried to set resize window to alt-middlebutton. [00:13] I had to kill it with FIRE [00:13] or rather, with '9'. [00:17] bah, back to kde. [00:18] * yofel wants to try LXDE [00:18] but I never manage to login [00:18] X segfaults [00:19] hi, does somebody know the current state of nepomuk/strigi/sessame/virtuoso? [00:22] half broken I guess knue [00:22] at least on my side, kmail complains a lot about nepomuk [00:23] release notes for these alpha refreshes would be welcome, Adobe. [00:23] 3833aaf5efbc2e5d57330e47a9f11b1e02b1f55741de148ec569d44b32ffe7e4 libflashplayer-10.0.42.34.linux-x86_64.so.tar.gz [00:23] i hope this stuff works in 4.4 final. nepomuk & co was by far too buggy to be useful [00:24] in previous versions [00:25] dtchen: YAY [00:25] * BUGabundo wonders why page tracking did not notify [01:21] dang if pulseaudio aint making me mad again...grrr....whats the command to kill it? [01:22] unsurprisingly, killall pulseaudio [01:22] be aware that it autospawns, so if you want to prevent it from starting, you need to do additional steps [01:22] and, instead of moaning about how mad it makes you, you could help diagnose and fix it. [01:23] im trying but i have to restart it. [01:23] see if it does it again [01:23] read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PulseAudio/Log [01:23] this is what i get from dmesg [01:23] 161.626643] Unknown OutputIN= OUT=virbr0 SRC=192.168.122.1 DST=192.168.122.255 LEN=96 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=64 ID=0 DF PROTO=UDP SPT=137 DPT=137 LEN=76 [01:24] that iptables [01:24] that's* [01:24] ah it is. [01:24] well why is pulse not working? [01:24] have you read the above web page? [01:25] I can't well diagnose anything if you haven't provided sufficient information. [01:25] not yet give me a sec, computer is being really slow [01:25] didnt ask you too either...sheesh [01:25] oh of course not, I'll just whine about how much PA sucks and do nothing to help fix it. [01:27] oy. [01:28] yeah, people suck that way. [01:29] sorry it wasnt pulse i figured it out. [01:30] i do how ever need to figure out how to debug amarok, cause i just came off of a reboot and it shouldnt of errored like that. [01:34] cool now i know what to do the next time. [01:34] i_is_broke: if you're using Amarok, I presume you've configured Phonon (KDE System Settings > Multimedia) to prefer PA for all profiles? [01:35] Unfortunately, kde 4.4 has that panel missing. [01:35] For now. [01:35] dtchen, sorry for being rude earlier, im still new to this and i was fighting with it. and yes i have phonon set. [01:35] i_is_broke: no prob, I'm used to being flamed. [01:36] it just seemed like the more i tried to close stuff the slower the computer would run...i had 10 instances of amarok running when i only told it to open once. [01:38] i dont know if this was cause we lost power earlier and i just got the computer back up and running or if it was just a fluke. [01:40] but dtchen thanks for offering to help..like i said sorry about being rude..was just a little upset. [01:40] bbiab supper calling. [01:44] used to being flamed... [02:52] bjsnider: indeed === astechgeek is now known as techgeek [02:56] oh yeah, what's the status of nouveau in lucid? [02:59] Setting up nouveau-kernel-source (0.0.15+git20091204-0~10.04~ppa1) ... [03:01] dtchen, didn't you know it's your responsibility to fix all of the world's ubuntu issues? [03:02] DanaG: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kernel-team/2009-December/007910.html [03:02] oh yeah, will that be on gmane, also? [03:02] if kernel-teamis archived on gmane, sure [03:03] grr, horrid latency & jitter [03:05] gmane.linux.ubuntu.kernel.{general,bugs} are all I see. [03:05] anyway, thanks. [03:06] I suggest removing "quiet splash" from your grub boot stanza if you want to try nouveau :D [03:07] it kind of... doesnt work otherwise. [03:09] I have modeset=1 on that old laptop. [03:09] It's a really weird beast... it somehow gets the bios-splash logo trampled on when you warm-reboot the thing. [03:11] I'll actually see the previous "restarting..." message all the way up until X starts again, sometimes. [03:13] DanaG: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kernel-team/2009-December/007989.html is a more current sort of nouveau idea. [03:14] oh yeah, also: that laptop has weird behavior with console blanking... it fades to a smudgy white instead of backlight-off. [03:18] oh, and I need to add drm_kms_helper to initramfs. [03:20] mmm, netsplit. [03:20] s/net/banana/ [03:20] dang, now I'm hungry. [03:21] speaking of initramfs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub-installer/+bug/268863 [03:21] Ubuntu bug 268863 in grub-installer "Ubuntu doesn't install on bootable SD-card" [Wishlist,Confirmed] [03:21] Probably should be attached to initramfs-tools, too. [03:24] DanaG: Oooh, cool. Your LVDS bleeds instead of blanking? [03:24] yup. [03:25] Laptop is the old spare Toshitba I've griped about too much. =þ [03:25] Good thing it's a spare. [03:27] Even weirder is that behavior on reboot. [03:27] I get nothing at all, up until Xorg tries (and fails) to start. [03:28] that's the ultimate boot experience. it's consistent! [03:29] hey i had that just the other day..lol [03:29] was very consistent...atleast i learned a little about irssi and purging packages and adding packages..lol [03:30] http://pastebin.com/ff643a2c [03:30] dmesg | grep nouveau [03:33] weird... I have an fb0 and an fb1. [03:33] 0 is Name : VGA16 VGA [03:33] looks like it didnt build, or you have nvidia installed still [03:34] weird... unloading and reloading drm and ttm worked. [03:35] not using the drm module from the nouveau-kernel-source package there [03:35] Probably an issue with initramfs? [03:35] yea [03:35] probably didnt stuff the new drm in the initramfs for some reason [03:35] yeah, I did depmod and rebuilt initramfs. [03:35] Weird: cold boot is giving me a screen full of garbage. [03:36] But hey, now xorg starts. [03:36] sudo update-initramfs -k `all` -u should work, I have to remove the quiet splash from the boot stanza or else it gives a screen full of garbage for me [03:37] http://pastebin.com/f51378afc [03:37] I did remove quiet splash... and it still gives me garbage. [03:37] It seems it's being driven by vga16fb, for some reason. [03:42] yeah loading nvidiafb there, i think video=-nvidiafb is the boot option to disable it? [03:44] i dont know why nvidiafb is even getting loaded there [03:44] wait, I didn't see it loading nvidiafb... [03:45] nope, no nvidiafb. [03:45] how about video=nouveau? [03:47] hmm, gnome-shell seems to be not installable, for me. [03:47] SAUCE: ensure vga16fb loads if no other driver claims the VGA device [03:48] that explains why i didnt have the problem, started with 2.6.32-7 and i still use 2.6.32-6 on my nvidia box [03:48] eeew. I don't want that sauce. [03:48] yeah gnome-shell is broken right now [03:48] apw: looks like that vga16fb change is interfering with nouveau? [03:49] I'll check if video=nouveau fixes it. [03:49] ooh, screen full of flashing characters. [03:49] the comments on dtchen's blog are interesting. they reveal extreme frustration on both sides of the pulseaudio issue. on the one hand, there's the user with broken audio, and ont he other hand, there's the developer wanting but not receiving bug reports [03:49] linky? [03:50] not 0pointer, I assume? [03:50] maybe reporting pulse bugs is too difficult because the information is too esoteric for the end user to track down [03:51] http://drowninginbugs.blogspot.com/2009/11/flailing-against-light-or-why-bad.html#comments [03:55] * DanaG has ADI1984, which had an interesting capability in Linux (that's now no longer exposed): dual simultaneous independent capture streams. [03:56] new dmesg: http://pastebin.com/f3e9b6b58 [03:57] nope, video=nouveau did not help. [03:58] can you blacklist vga16fb and rebuild the initramfs maybe? [03:58] How do I force vga16fb not to load? [03:58] It's not a module; that's a problem. [03:58] Is there such a thing as "noload"? [03:58] i'm pretty sure its video=-vga16fb with the minus but will have to dig into the kernel parameters again to check [03:59] i've got to do it on my ibook to have radeonfb not load [03:59] to use a radeon kms fb instead [04:00] I'll also try passing vga16fb.DONOTWANT=1 (i.e. an invalid parameter) do disable it. [04:00] goodie, at least one of those two things worked. [04:02] [ 2.060355] vga16fb: Unknown parameter `DONOTWANT' [04:02] ah yeah, I had to do that... it still tried to load anyway. [04:03] I could've also passed it "vga16fb.DIEINAFIRE=1", or other various things... but those would not be so polite. [04:03] =þ [04:05] weird... on that laptop, notify-osd is really, really tiny. [04:05] Like, 4-point font, or something. [04:15] hmm, that IS weird. [04:16] so I guess that's a bug to file. [04:17] http://pastebin.com/f11d5c6ca [04:21] exa on 16MB video ram, that'll be fun! [04:22] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/494062 [04:22] Ubuntu bug 494062 in linux "i915: KMS disabled when vga16fb is loaded with Lucid Kernel 2.6.32-7.10" [Medium,Triaged] [04:22] =þ [04:23] Yup. You can see why I gave the thing the host name I gave it. [04:24] lol wow, that actually explains alot [04:24] kms support is gone in the intel ddx i'm using, i couldnt start x with 2.6.32-7 on this machine either [04:25] so its not just nouveau it's screwing up, i imagine it's radeon too with the way they all load a drmfb later [04:26] nasty bug just in time for alpha 1 :( [04:26] i cant use nouveau without KMS as well [04:27] on any kernel for the past 6 months [04:27] x works for me today on radeon but didn't yesterday [04:27] :> [04:27] on 2.6.32 [04:27] I added this: [04:28] vga16fb.DONOTWANT=1 [04:28] then vga16fb bails on invalid parameter. [04:34] virtuald: if it worked it wasn't KMS I'm guessing? [04:35] radeon still has UMS so it should be ok, intel on edgers doesn't :( [04:35] hmm my /sys/module/radeon/parameters/modeset says 0, why do my screens look like shit before X starts then? It's mostly black when i enter my LUKS password, then just before X starts it there's som text but it doesn't look like the normal text mode [04:35] but it doesn't look like a frame buffer either [04:36] because you have a vga16fb console not a radeon one [04:36] more family-friendly way to say it: "garbage". [04:36] oh ok [04:37] danag: um okay thank you I guess [04:38] virtuald: workaround: edit /etc/default/grub (if grub2) to add "vga16fb.DONOTWANT=1" into the linux parameters. [04:38] just blacklist vga16fb [04:38] yer never going to need it [04:38] why is vga16fb there? [04:38] Note that what you actually type for "DONOTWANT" doesn't matter... the idea is you'll be feeding it an invalid parameter. [04:38] i think it was added for plymouth [04:38] Does blacklisting affect things that are compiled-in? [04:39] sarvatt: but that's not going in lucid? [04:39] into [04:39] so people could have a prettier console if a normal one didnt start up [04:39] yeah it is, already in there [04:39] just not the default yet [04:39] ok [04:39] It's not installable right now... or rather, it removes ?ubuntu-desktop. [04:39] what is plymouth? [04:40] a prettier splash screen thingy [04:40] ok [04:40] so it needs a fb? [04:41] A big rock. [04:41] =þ [04:41] 8] [04:44] plymouth, i cant believe they called it a plymouth...man i hated those cars...lol [04:45] ugh i need sleep..lol i think im losing it. after fighting with xserver-core for 2 days. and finally getting a desktop gui back then to have the power go out and crash the hole damn system and network to start all over again today..:( [04:47] 8[ [04:48] if I install plymouth now will it blow up in my face and not ask for my LUKS password? [04:49] eh, beats me. [04:49] I won't install it until it stops wanting to remove ubuntu-desktop. [04:49] ok [04:50] that's a good reason [04:50] do you know why they don't have KMS ready for radeon? [04:51] The userspace hasn't caught up yet. [04:52] meaning libdrm, dri2? [04:58] the big thing that keeps me with fglrx, and thus with karmic xorg (yay, apt preferences) is lack of good power management in radeon KMS. [04:59] virtuald: Meaning, I think, mesa. [04:59] weird... mouse cursor under nouveau is rotated 90 degrees clockwise. [05:00] danag: that's also whats keeping me on radeon UMS [05:01] Radeon with KMS uses like 15 or 20 watts more than fglrx. [05:01] who does mesa? is it the same guys who do the radeon driver? [05:02] :> [05:02] how do you measure that? [05:05] <^arky^> Hi, Any help on bug 366648 please [05:05] Launchpad bug 366648 in openoffice.org "Language modules language defaults to Czech" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/366648 [05:06] <^arky^> sorry I mean bug 491327 [05:06] Launchpad bug 491327 in at-spi "No module named pyatspi" [Critical,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/491327 [05:06] DanaG: I was wrong, vga16fb doesn't interfere with nouveau at all, thats really strange [05:06] on my machine I mean [05:06] It did for me. [05:06] Do you get an fb0 and an fb1? [05:07] yup [05:07] I measure power by asking my battery. [05:07] =þ [05:07] Laptop battery tells me wattage. [05:07] :) [05:07] so there's another reason to get a laptop, you have these cool sensors :p [05:08] Only some actually tell you the wattage, though. [05:08] o.O [05:08] HP business ones do (or at least mine does), but HP consumer ones don't, for example. [05:08] powertop works good too? :D [05:08] 8] [05:09] down to ~7.1 watts idle with the latest drm-intel kernel, was around 8.4 with 2.6.31-32 [05:09] sarvatt: is it a known xorg bug that after log in my usb mouse stops working until i unplug and replug it? [05:09] if you said your xserver segfaulted i'd say yes :D [05:10] uhm not this time [05:10] i havent heard that one though [05:10] i think it was like that on edgers too, i should check again [05:11] but i'm too god at forgetting these things [05:11] but it's like that every time i start x so i'll eventually do something if it isn't fixed in a while [05:13] sarvatt: is there a new input system in lucid? [05:13] i mean xinput [05:16] yay over 100 fps in openarena with nouveau gallium [05:17] :) [05:18] well theres a new input abi with all kinds of new features, and xserver uses udev for input devices now instead of hal like it used to if thats what you mean [05:18] hmm, I get 15 watts as my uber-lowest idle. [05:18] this is so low cus its a netbook [05:18] Laptop has P8600 CPU, 4 gigs RAM, and an ATI HD3650. [05:18] ah. [05:19] 12 hours battery life with a 8863 mAh battery, same size battery in my normal laptop is only good for 3.5 or so [05:20] hmm, what laptop? [05:20] er, netbook. [05:20] the input stuff is going to be quirky for a bit though with the new udev xserver [05:20] acer aspire one [05:21] * DanaG is still using old X server. [05:21] yay for apt pinning. [05:21] all the drivers have minversions set for 1.7+, guess you'll be living in the past for quite some time :D [05:22] hmm, weird behavior on gdm on the spare laptop: [05:22] on nouveau? [05:22] I get the sessions combobox overlapped by the accessibility doodad and the clock. [05:22] small screen? [05:23] www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/GDM-Screenshot.png [05:23] just noticed i have duplicate menu items for everyting in gnome-menus.. [05:24] I'll build my own kernel once I can get the incoming kms-powersavings stuff. [05:24] er, nice screenshot... totally black. [05:24] great. [05:25] one thing you CAN see, though: [05:25] http://users.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/Screenshot.png [05:25] there are TWO things wrong in that picture... can you find both? [05:26] http://users.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/GDM-Screenshot.png [05:26] ah, fixed screenshot. [05:27] november 23rd and the thumbnail actually showing the pic thats black when you uploaded it? :D [05:27] No, rather, I uploaded an older screenshot. [05:27] =þ [05:28] The newer one I uploaded over it, initially, was black... so I put the old one back. [05:28] Anyway two hints: things that look like tooltips. [05:28] er, a hint. [05:28] that. [05:30] I wish thumbnail icon sizes were uniform, gnome desktop sure is ugly these days :( [05:30] One thing is: systray icons are 100% invisible. [05:30] Other thing is... well, look to the right. [05:30] hmm, newer nouveau fixed my icons. spiffy. [05:39] Sarvatt: do you see the issue yet? [05:39] the "what's wrong with this picture?" one, that is. [05:42] notify-o-s-deeeeeee [06:05] hmm, how would you deal with the combo mic/headphone jack on this thing? [06:05] http://www.laptopmag.com/review/laptop/hp-probook-5310m.aspx?page=1 [07:28] grrrr... can't mount eSATA in KDE! [07:28] it says HAL refused to mount. [07:28] well, DUH, it's devkit-disks now! [07:39] also GRRRR: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dolphin/+bug/421801 [07:39] Ubuntu bug 421801 in dolphin "anoying handling of rights in windows folders..." [Undecided,New] [08:37] oh i cant stay in the regular ubuntu channel to long..they give me a headache..lol [09:05] Does anyone here have (or have experience with) eBooks (esp. the Sony PRS-300) under Linux? I haven't been able to find a viable way to buy/download/manage eBooks with Ubuntu :( === dto1 is now known as dto === BUGabundo_work is now known as BUGabundo_lunch [12:23] hey guys... it would be nice if the ubuntu crystal cursor theme be used as default... it seems visually more appropriate for ubuntu than the defaults used already... this theme has been around for a year maybe two...submitted by it's author some time ago... it is available on gnome-look but if it has not been tried by any of you ..you may want to give it look :) [12:49] coz_, try the Protozoa cursor theme... nice ! [12:50] SandGorgon, I will thanks...have you seen the ubuntu crystal cursor? [12:50] yup.. i like it [12:53] SandGorgon, cool I will tyr the protozoa one now :) [12:53] SandGorgon, ooooo way to fancy for me lol [12:55] shouldn't this be something for brainstorm? [12:56] coz_: I like the kde oxygen cursors extra ones [12:57] robin0800, mm I havent used kde for weeks now so I kind of forget them but as I recall I do like kde's default cursor [12:58] coz_: well the extra ones have lots of cool colours to choose from [12:58] robin0800, oh ok :) I do like kde's "working" cursor animation :) [13:00] coz_: on ubuntu you only have to install the extras don't need original at all [13:00] cool === BUGabundo_lunch is now known as BUGabundo_work === arand__ is now known as arand === Dink|W is now known as Dink [14:24] lucid looks for X in /usr/bin instead of /etc/. I could n't fix xorg.conf after generating with nvidia-xconf...had yo go back to 9.10 [14:25] bug 492659 [14:25] Bug 492659 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/492659 is private [14:25] what??? [14:25] this is an outrage [14:29] gawd, I guess they got tired of the same bug being reported repeatedly [14:30] insufficient checks in EXT4_IOC_MOVE_EXT [14:46] cannot boot after installing plymouth [14:54] om26er: what's the problem [14:55] ikonia: won't boot then i have to run throught recovery mode [14:55] om26er, I have not tried plymouth and not sure about it since a patch to the kernel is necessarey I believe [14:55] om26er: expand on won't boot [14:56] ikonia: plymouth screen is there and nothing else happen afterwards just the screen with Ubuntu written and the ubuntu logo [14:56] !info plymouth [14:56] plymouth (source: plymouth): graphical boot animation and logger - main package. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.0~-2 (lucid), package size 700 kB, installed size 1544 kB [14:57] om26er: have you tried removoing it ? [14:57] ikonia: yes remove, and i can boot fine. [14:57] om26er: time to log a bug then [14:58] ikonia: sure [15:00] * om26er will try again. [15:01] * BluesKaj waits til X bug is fixed ...whenever that will be :) [15:02] well, the nividia-xconfig bug anyway [15:02] is anyone looking into animated bootsplash for lucid? [15:05] here is another example ...although listed as for karmic http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWuGDugEqec [15:06] or this one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oh6-uhGvBIY [15:09] I the first one is more appealing [15:09] however status bar / progress bar and "throbber" are a bit old [15:10] hoping someone adopts an animated boot seqence I know the choices and chooseing a real nice one is going to be difficutl however [15:32] will xsplash be used in Lucid? as boot time is gonna decrease in lucid so plymouth and xsplash will they both be used? [15:54] Anyone know of any plans for having two different rotations for multiple monitor configurations via hardware (like nvidia)? === Authority_ is now known as Authority [16:18] Who broke universe? [16:19] I like the first one better, but it'd be nicer if the dots all faded in at the same time. [16:19] It looks weird having just one dot spinning around for that small moment. [16:25] I think I like the first one as is, to be honest. [16:25] The second is too busy though. [16:27] argh, kde keeps giving me this: [16:27] The window "Buddy List" is not responding. It belongs to the application Pidgin (Process ID = 3418, hostname = localhost). Do you wish to terminate the application process including all of its child windows? [16:27] Any unsaved data will be lost. [16:28] And yet, I'm talking in pidgin just fine right now. [16:33] plymouth still conflicts with ubuntu-desktop. [16:36] Hey! [16:36] Has the alpha been released yet? [16:53] Would you recomend updating to 10.04 (on a seperate partition) [16:53] ? [16:58] domjohnson: Use 10.4 for testing 10.4, not for any other purpose. Either in a VM or on a separate partition, etc... but it's not likely to be ready for real use at this early stage. [16:59] ok [16:59] jmarsden, yeah especially if you have nvidia pci graphics [16:59] Is it good? I used 9.04 alpha 6 and i was like "yeah, pretty good, but a few probllems" and i got hooked :)) [16:59] domjohnson: And http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/releases/10.04/alpha-1/ is empty, so it seems Alpha 1 is probably not out yet. [17:00] the motd says proprietary , so I guess X is borked [17:00] Alpha 6 vs Alpha1 is a *whole* different level of "good" ness :) [17:01] I tried lucid last night for a while , it was ok til I installed the recommended graphics driver , then I rebooted , no X === mac_v_ is now known as mac_v [17:28] anybody using chrome + flash x64? [17:38] hi all, I need to fix my touchpad setup... right now the scroll is in the middle of the pad instead of the right... i have a dell inspiron 1525 ... can anyone direct me to directions please? [17:53] joshjtl: not really an Idea - but HAL shoud do this Job.. ask Google for Touchpad and HAL and ?Karmic [17:53] ok thanks Tscheesy [17:55] yw [17:55] hal is old news [17:55] not for Input devices afaik [18:00] Tscheesy: after i add a .fdi file to /etc/hal/fdi/policy/ how do i enable it so that i can test it? [18:01] oh -sry- long time i read about this stuff - logout/in maybe - but this is just a guess [18:01] nevermind i got it just need to restart hal thx === ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu+1 to: Official Ubuntu Lucid Lynx support and discussion channel | IRC Guidelines: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines | Milestones: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidLynxSchedule | Alpha 1 released: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/lucid/alpha1 [18:14] could anyone help me about a Sony Memory stick in a onboard laptop? [18:14] *onboard card reader :p [18:15] are the torrents working for anyone? [18:29] any idea whether rgba is enabled globally by default in the alpha 1 build of lucid? [18:57] http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Nzc5MQ [18:57] darthanubis: /topic ;) [18:58] I was just linking to the article, I see the topic. Did I miss something? [18:59] Nope [19:05] is plymouth used in alpha 1? [19:24] hi [19:38] yehaa actually upgrading [19:38] then im going to rebuild 195.22 modules :) [19:38] hi [19:38] hi [19:38] is it safe and is it possible to upgrade to 4.4 alpha ? [19:39] from 4.3.4 ofc [19:39] no [19:39] soee: possible: yes, safe: not really [19:39] ok thnx [19:39] alpha is never safe [19:40] actually lucid only got alpha of kde and implents the "stable" 2.6.32 [19:40] that approximately goes .1 during next week [19:41] it has a new Xorg version too === yofel_ is now known as yofel [19:42] i must say that im impressed with kde 4,3,4, i tried once 4.2 (long ago) and last year on gnome, but now i really love kde [19:42] soee: me too ;) [19:42] i always proceed the way to dist-upgrade from any released "state" and inbetween only upgrade single pakages that are not critical [19:42] :) [19:43] do u know how can i edit this outer glow around window ? [19:44] i only upgrade critical pakages if case of fault inbeetween the release steps, so i firstly watch on launchpad for example if any known bugs are known [19:44] works prettey good that way [19:49] soee: you mean around the active window? systemsettings->appearance->windows->window_decoration->shadow [19:49] yofel: yes the active widnow, ill check it [20:26]