[00:20] <fta> asac, do you know how to use add-apt-repository for the non-default ppa?
[00:20] <asac> isnt that on that page?
[00:21] <asac> https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-security/+archive/nss3.12.3
[00:21] <asac> there is:
[00:21] <asac> You can update your system with unsupported packages from this untrusted PPA by adding ppa:ubuntu-mozilla-security/nss3.12.3
[00:21] <asac> so add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-mozilla-security/nss3.12.3
[00:21] <asac> i would think
[00:21] <fta> k
[00:21] <fta> so add-apt-repository ppa:chromium-daily will be add-apt-repository ppa:chromium-daily/beta
[00:22] <micahg> that should work, and it'll import the key for the ppa
[00:22] <asac> yes
[00:22] <asac> and /ppa
[00:22] <asac> for the default
[00:22] <fta> seems /ppa could be omitted
[00:22] <micahg> [reed]: is it too late to request a blocker on ff3.6?
[00:23] <BUGabundo> micahg: lol
[00:23] <fta> asac, https://edge.launchpad.net/~chromium-daily/+archive/beta does it look ok to you?
[00:26] <asac_> reconnect
[00:26] <asac_> 01:22 < fta> seems /ppa could be omitted
[00:26] <asac_> 01:24 < asac> yes /ppa is the name though
[00:26] <asac_> 01:24 < asac> the old form is without
 asac, https://edge.launchpad.net/~chromium-daily/+archive/beta does it look ok to you?
[00:29] <asac_> only see codecs there
[00:31] <fta> yep, i'm configuring the bot right now
[00:32] <fta> i will just push once, i need to do more tests before i move it to automagical mode
[00:32] <asac_> kk
[00:38] <fta> dputing..
[00:39] <fta> done
[01:25] <fta> http://www.techreport.com/articles.x/18065
[01:32] <micahg> fta: will be nice if it works
[01:33] <micahg> would be nice if they released a 64 bit version too :)
[01:33] <fta> yep
[01:34] <fta> i'd prefer flash to die completely and html5 to raise instead
[01:35] <micahg> +10
[01:38] <asac> hmm. os now it snaps
[01:44] <fta> http://identi.ca/notice/16414769
[01:44] <fta> asac, what snaps? chromium on arm?
[01:44] <asac> yes -> arm
[01:48] <micahg> fta: the closest thing is in my PPA AFAIK
[01:49] <fta> micahg, if you want to start maintaining a release ppa, feel free
[01:49] <fta> my bot could be used manually to do the backports
[01:49] <micahg> fta: yeah, I was waiting to get it into Lucid before doing that
[01:50] <fta> no need to wait, it's possible at any time, and more than welcome
[01:50] <micahg> fta: the problem is I wanted to use the official .orig.tar.gz
[01:50] <fta> just use the tag, if there's one
[01:51] <fta> chromium-browser                 24290   1.78%      4777   12283    7225       5
[01:51] <fta> google-chrome-unstable           20131   1.48%      5088    9262    5764      17
[01:51] <fta> the ppa is holding!
[01:51] <micahg> well, a tag was added to a file apparantly, but not to the repo
[01:52] <fta> eh?
[01:52] <micahg> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/comm-1.9.1/tags
[01:52] <micahg> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/comm-1.9.1/rev/fb157afa5355
[01:53] <fta> what about THUNDERBIRD_3_0_RELEASE ?
[01:53] <micahg> I don't see it as an official tag
[01:53] <micahg> haven't tried to pull it yet though
[01:54] <fta> at Mon Nov 30 19:29:03 2009 -0800	THUNDERBIRD_3_0rc3_RELEASE	changeset | changelog | files
[01:54] <fta> at Mon Nov 30 19:29:03 2009 -0800	THUNDERBIRD_3_0rc3_BUILD1	changeset | changelog | files
[01:54] <fta> at Mon Nov 30 19:29:03 2009 -0800	THUNDERBIRD_3_0_RELEASE	changeset | changelog | files
[01:54] <fta> at Mon Nov 30 19:10:38 2009 -0800	THUNDERBIRD_3_0rc2_RELEASE	changeset | changelog | files
[01:54] <fta> at Mon Nov 30 19:10:38 2009 -0800	THUNDERBIRD_3_0rc2_BUILD1	changeset | changelog | files
[01:54] <fta> you have to remember that moz is crazy with their tags, they move them each time they add a RC
[01:54] <fta> or a BUILD
[01:54] <micahg> oh, I do see it
[01:55] <micahg> ok, so if I pull using that tag, I can make an official PPA release?
[01:55] <fta> yes
[01:55] <micahg> should I make it a team PPA or just my own for now?
[01:56] <fta> the mozillateam ppa is kind of dead
[01:56] <micahg> well, I can copy the binaries if we do a team one anyways
[01:57] <fta> the idea was to have a ppa with all the upstream milestones
[01:57] <micahg>  ./debian/rules get-orig-source DEBIAN_TAG=THUNDERBIRD_3_0_RELEASE=3.0 ?
[01:57] <fta> yes
[01:58] <micahg> ok
[01:59] <micahg> https://edge.launchpad.net/~micahg/+archive/mozilla-release
[02:00] <micahg> asac: do I have a problem with using the official branding in a PPA?
[02:01] <mconnor> what's a PPA?
[02:01] <micahg> not the official archive
[02:01] <mconnor> then yes
[02:01] <mconnor> aiui
[02:02] <asac> micahg: it depends on what that ppa is about
[02:02] <micahg> launchpad allows you to build your own debian packages if you upload the source
[02:02] <micahg> asac: a release ppa
[02:02] <asac> if its a staging ppa for things that go in the archive
[02:02] <asac> then its ok to have official branding
[02:02] <asac> if its a ppa that is ment to be there then not
[02:02] <asac> but ... tbird folks are much more liberal afaiu
[02:03] <micahg> asac: well, I guess it depends if I will be preparing stuff for the archive :)
[02:04] <micahg> asac: do you want me to push a branded tb3 to a PPA for staging?
[02:04] <asac> this all boils down to the fact that we have no backport ppas for mozillateam stuff
[02:05] <micahg> well, I was going to wait till we had tb3 ready for lucid before figuring all this out
[02:05] <asac> figuring what out?
[02:05] <micahg> how to work out the backports/ppa system
[02:07] <asac> its an independent problem we also have for all the firefox stuff
[02:07] <asac> like: no place where older release folks can get latest stuff
[02:07] <micahg> right
[02:07] <asac> though this is going to change when we start forcing major upgrades on all users ;)
[02:07] <asac> at least for ffox.
[02:08] <micahg> right, but that might not happen right away
[02:08] <asac> ffox needs to be rolled at the same day upstream dropps security support for 3.0
[02:08] <asac> well at the next release of 3.5/6
[02:09] <asac> if rdepends come later its bad but not that bad ;)
[02:09] <micahg> yes, but I'm saying that if they release 3.6 they might not push an MU until 3.6.1
[02:09] <asac> but i havent heard any news on when what will happen in what way ;)
[02:09] <asac> yeah
[02:09] <asac> thats the hope ;)
[02:09] <micahg> so, I figure there still might be some time between when we force a version upgrade
[02:10] <mconnor> 3.0 has some life left
[02:10] <asac> really?
[02:10] <asac> whats the current status?
[02:10] <asac> thought its dead in december/jan.
[02:10] <micahg> I was shocked when I saw plans for 3.0.17 still
[02:10] <asac> well. shocked is not the right word ;)
[02:10] <mconnor> saddened?
[02:11] <micahg> ok, so maybe I'll hold off on the official TB3 push then
[02:11] <asac> at least for me "the longer 3.0 continues, the better" ;)
[02:12] <asac> micahg: that should go directly to the archive imo. enigmail probably has to wait ;)
[02:12] <asac> or we risk not getting feedback (though feedback at this alpha-1 time is not really strong)
[02:12] <micahg> asac: so, can I prepare tb3 as thunderbird-3.0 and we'll migrate later?
[02:13] <mconnor> tb3 and fx3 have nothing at all to do with each other, do they?
[02:13] <micahg> mconnor: no
[02:13] <asac> mconnor: not for us
[02:13] <mconnor> ok
[02:13] <mconnor> I was confused
[02:13] <mconnor> but I'm exhausted and mildly confusable
[02:13] <asac> heh
[02:13] <micahg> asac: I don't have upload rights yet though :)
[02:13] <asac> two topics ;)
[02:14] <asac> micahg: sponsorship
[02:14] <asac> i am not sure about the source name still
[02:15] <micahg> ok, well, if we do, TB3, I can push tonight, if it's thunderbird, it has to wait till the weekend
[02:15] <asac> mconnor: how likely do you think is it that you end up having more than two development branches? (e.g. 3.7 and 3.6 atm)?
[02:15] <micahg> or someone else has to do it
[02:16] <mconnor> asac: mmm, tbd
[02:17] <mconnor> I think we're trying to figure out whether a slightly more complex model is better
[02:17] <asac> more complex?
[02:17] <asac> more than "trunk" "testing" "stable" branches?
[02:17] <fta> zillions branches, like chromium ;)
[02:18] <fta> 1 per day
[02:18] <asac> well. but still they do a "dev" "beta" and "stable" channel
[02:18] <asac> so its 3
[02:19] <mconnor> asac: yeah, more like "branch 1.9.2 and backport limited subset" has been talked about
[02:19] <mconnor> but all sort of "in theory"
[02:23] <micahg> asac: so, let me know about the source/binary package name
[02:23] <micahg> mconnor: is there a maximum time to fix on assigning oneself bugs in b.m.o?
[02:23] <mconnor> teehee
[02:24] <mconnor> oh, you're serious
[02:24] <mconnor> no
[02:24] <micahg> well, I'm wondering whether or not to assign myself something
[02:24] <micahg> that I want fixes
[02:24] <micahg> *fixed
[02:24] <asac> want fix ... or want to fix?
[02:24] <mconnor> do it
[02:24] <mconnor> if you're going to fix it
[02:24] <micahg> but I"m not sure how soon I'll do it
[02:24] <mconnor> well
[02:24] <mconnor> leave it for now then
[02:25] <mconnor> because otherwise people will assume you're working on it
[02:25] <asac> yeah ... dont claim it... check if its still not fixed when you find time
[02:25] <micahg> ok
[02:25] <micahg> do votes send out emails?
[02:25] <asac> mconnor: so there is no idea about how many tinderbox trees there will be ? ... bummer; i really wanted to take that into account when redoing all this ;)
[02:25]  * micahg is trying to find some way to flag it
[02:26] <mconnor> asac: tbd
[02:26] <mconnor> will all be on the mailing lists soon enough
[02:26] <micahg> ok, I voted for it, so I can find it later :)
[02:27] <asac> mconnor: ok ... any approx. time when that will start?
[02:29] <asac> micahg: so for tbird without knowing anything i would suggest to go for thunderbird/thunderbird. but better check with me tomorrow again
[02:29] <asac> its unlikely that we will have more than one package in the archive at the same time
[02:37] <micahg> asac: ok, we're supposed to talk tomorrow anyways
[17:51] <asac> fta: can we move dailies to 6am UTC?
[17:51] <fta> asac, 2h later?
[17:51] <asac> why 2h later?
[17:51] <fta> hm, 1h
[17:51] <asac> you think 7am UTC is better?
[17:52] <asac> i would think that starting builds when pacific time is 2000 or so would make sense.
[17:52] <asac> thats 4am even
[17:52] <asac> or 2100
[17:52] <asac> to give those folks a bit of alonger day
[17:52] <asac> most of our developers are Europe or US ... only a few in asia
[17:53] <asac> trying to not block them might be a nice move :)
[17:55] <fta> initially, i went for this time slot so we could fix ftbfs early
[17:55] <asac> right
[17:56] <asac> but in practice we dont cancel builds when they fail. so when we fix them doesnt really matter i guess
[17:56] <fta> if i move to night time (us), i'll have to wait a full day to get feedbacks from upstream (at least for chromium)
[17:56] <fta> and another day to get the fix
[19:18] <fta> i need to respin the beta, it failed on lucid because of werror: http://codereview.chromium.org/431034
[21:14] <fta> asac, moved the whole umd stuff to 4am our time
[21:27] <fta> micahg1, http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/3151297/French-army-chooses-open-source-for-email
[21:39] <asac> great
[21:39] <asac> lets see if that works out well
[21:42] <micahg> fta: nice
[22:44] <av`> asac, hey
[22:44] <av`> asac, a fast question
[22:44] <av`> asac, how can I get to folders view in mutt?
[22:44] <av`> I mean, without having to select the folder manually
[22:44] <av`> but having the complete view of the index
[22:44] <fta> c
[22:45] <fta> + tab
[22:45] <asac> tab two times i think
[22:45] <asac> tab once -> short view on folders
[22:45] <asac> tab twice -> full view
[22:46] <av`> thanks, let me see
[22:48] <av`> yup, it works, thanks
[23:17] <asac> finally a good mailer ;)
[23:26] <av`> yes :) I'm using it together with imapfilter, it's working pretty good and the cron job does the right work
[23:33] <asac> yeah
[23:33] <asac> i like offlineimap too
[23:33] <asac> that combined with an imap server and mutt is just rocking solid
[23:35] <sebner> asac: ~o~
[23:40] <av`> sebner, hey
[23:41] <sebner> aloha av` :)
[23:41] <av`> sebner, feel free ping me for any Debian upload
[23:42] <sebner> av`: uhh, another sponsoring slave *hrhrhr* I'll keep that in mind, thx
[23:43] <sebner> asac: TB3, so eine verschlimmbesserung tzzzz
[23:43] <av`> sebner, np :)
[23:46] <micahg> asac: did you decide if TB3 should be a new source or not for the moment?
[23:48] <asac> micahg: i think we want to use the same source
[23:49] <micahg> asac: ok, do you want me to prepare it this weekend?
[23:49] <asac> if you want to do that, it would be great.
[23:49] <asac> also maybe use the same binary
[23:49]  * asac just said something that will be retroactively a decision
[23:49] <micahg> ok, that would allow people to still test with dailies
[23:50] <micahg> :)
[23:50] <micahg> things look like they're headed in that direction anyways
[23:51] <asac> i think there is no way to not replace tbird 2
[23:51] <asac> so better get that in sooner than later
[23:52] <asac> so we can take actions
[23:52] <asac> debian will keep it versioned for a bit
[23:52] <asac> i talked to the folks that work o nthat atm