[00:20] asac, do you know how to use add-apt-repository for the non-default ppa? [00:20] isnt that on that page? [00:21] https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-security/+archive/nss3.12.3 [00:21] there is: [00:21] You can update your system with unsupported packages from this untrusted PPA by adding ppa:ubuntu-mozilla-security/nss3.12.3 [00:21] so add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-mozilla-security/nss3.12.3 [00:21] i would think [00:21] k [00:21] so add-apt-repository ppa:chromium-daily will be add-apt-repository ppa:chromium-daily/beta [00:22] that should work, and it'll import the key for the ppa [00:22] yes [00:22] and /ppa [00:22] for the default [00:22] seems /ppa could be omitted [00:22] [reed]: is it too late to request a blocker on ff3.6? [00:23] micahg: lol [00:23] asac, https://edge.launchpad.net/~chromium-daily/+archive/beta does it look ok to you? [00:26] reconnect [00:26] 01:22 < fta> seems /ppa could be omitted [00:26] 01:24 < asac> yes /ppa is the name though [00:26] 01:24 < asac> the old form is without [00:27] asac, https://edge.launchpad.net/~chromium-daily/+archive/beta does it look ok to you? [00:29] only see codecs there [00:31] yep, i'm configuring the bot right now [00:32] i will just push once, i need to do more tests before i move it to automagical mode [00:32] kk [00:38] dputing.. [00:39] done === asac_ is now known as asac [01:25] http://www.techreport.com/articles.x/18065 [01:32] fta: will be nice if it works [01:33] would be nice if they released a 64 bit version too :) [01:33] yep [01:34] i'd prefer flash to die completely and html5 to raise instead [01:35] +10 [01:38] hmm. os now it snaps [01:44] http://identi.ca/notice/16414769 [01:44] asac, what snaps? chromium on arm? [01:44] yes -> arm [01:48] fta: the closest thing is in my PPA AFAIK [01:49] micahg, if you want to start maintaining a release ppa, feel free [01:49] my bot could be used manually to do the backports [01:49] fta: yeah, I was waiting to get it into Lucid before doing that [01:50] no need to wait, it's possible at any time, and more than welcome [01:50] fta: the problem is I wanted to use the official .orig.tar.gz [01:50] just use the tag, if there's one [01:51] chromium-browser 24290 1.78% 4777 12283 7225 5 [01:51] google-chrome-unstable 20131 1.48% 5088 9262 5764 17 [01:51] the ppa is holding! [01:51] well, a tag was added to a file apparantly, but not to the repo [01:52] eh? [01:52] http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/comm-1.9.1/tags [01:52] http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/comm-1.9.1/rev/fb157afa5355 [01:53] what about THUNDERBIRD_3_0_RELEASE ? [01:53] I don't see it as an official tag [01:53] haven't tried to pull it yet though [01:54] at Mon Nov 30 19:29:03 2009 -0800 THUNDERBIRD_3_0rc3_RELEASE changeset | changelog | files [01:54] at Mon Nov 30 19:29:03 2009 -0800 THUNDERBIRD_3_0rc3_BUILD1 changeset | changelog | files [01:54] at Mon Nov 30 19:29:03 2009 -0800 THUNDERBIRD_3_0_RELEASE changeset | changelog | files [01:54] at Mon Nov 30 19:10:38 2009 -0800 THUNDERBIRD_3_0rc2_RELEASE changeset | changelog | files [01:54] at Mon Nov 30 19:10:38 2009 -0800 THUNDERBIRD_3_0rc2_BUILD1 changeset | changelog | files [01:54] you have to remember that moz is crazy with their tags, they move them each time they add a RC [01:54] or a BUILD [01:54] oh, I do see it [01:55] ok, so if I pull using that tag, I can make an official PPA release? [01:55] yes [01:55] should I make it a team PPA or just my own for now? [01:56] the mozillateam ppa is kind of dead [01:56] well, I can copy the binaries if we do a team one anyways [01:57] the idea was to have a ppa with all the upstream milestones [01:57] ./debian/rules get-orig-source DEBIAN_TAG=THUNDERBIRD_3_0_RELEASE=3.0 ? [01:57] yes [01:58] ok [01:59] https://edge.launchpad.net/~micahg/+archive/mozilla-release [02:00] asac: do I have a problem with using the official branding in a PPA? [02:01] what's a PPA? [02:01] not the official archive [02:01] then yes [02:01] aiui [02:02] micahg: it depends on what that ppa is about [02:02] launchpad allows you to build your own debian packages if you upload the source [02:02] asac: a release ppa [02:02] if its a staging ppa for things that go in the archive [02:02] then its ok to have official branding [02:02] if its a ppa that is ment to be there then not [02:02] but ... tbird folks are much more liberal afaiu [02:03] asac: well, I guess it depends if I will be preparing stuff for the archive :) [02:04] asac: do you want me to push a branded tb3 to a PPA for staging? [02:04] this all boils down to the fact that we have no backport ppas for mozillateam stuff [02:05] well, I was going to wait till we had tb3 ready for lucid before figuring all this out [02:05] figuring what out? [02:05] how to work out the backports/ppa system [02:07] its an independent problem we also have for all the firefox stuff [02:07] like: no place where older release folks can get latest stuff [02:07] right [02:07] though this is going to change when we start forcing major upgrades on all users ;) [02:07] at least for ffox. [02:08] right, but that might not happen right away [02:08] ffox needs to be rolled at the same day upstream dropps security support for 3.0 [02:08] well at the next release of 3.5/6 [02:09] if rdepends come later its bad but not that bad ;) [02:09] yes, but I'm saying that if they release 3.6 they might not push an MU until 3.6.1 [02:09] but i havent heard any news on when what will happen in what way ;) [02:09] yeah [02:09] thats the hope ;) [02:09] so, I figure there still might be some time between when we force a version upgrade [02:10] 3.0 has some life left [02:10] really? [02:10] whats the current status? [02:10] thought its dead in december/jan. [02:10] I was shocked when I saw plans for 3.0.17 still [02:10] well. shocked is not the right word ;) [02:10] saddened? [02:11] ok, so maybe I'll hold off on the official TB3 push then [02:11] at least for me "the longer 3.0 continues, the better" ;) [02:12] micahg: that should go directly to the archive imo. enigmail probably has to wait ;) [02:12] or we risk not getting feedback (though feedback at this alpha-1 time is not really strong) [02:12] asac: so, can I prepare tb3 as thunderbird-3.0 and we'll migrate later? [02:13] tb3 and fx3 have nothing at all to do with each other, do they? [02:13] mconnor: no [02:13] mconnor: not for us [02:13] ok [02:13] I was confused [02:13] but I'm exhausted and mildly confusable [02:13] heh [02:13] asac: I don't have upload rights yet though :) [02:13] two topics ;) [02:14] micahg: sponsorship [02:14] i am not sure about the source name still [02:15] ok, well, if we do, TB3, I can push tonight, if it's thunderbird, it has to wait till the weekend [02:15] mconnor: how likely do you think is it that you end up having more than two development branches? (e.g. 3.7 and 3.6 atm)? [02:15] or someone else has to do it [02:16] asac: mmm, tbd [02:17] I think we're trying to figure out whether a slightly more complex model is better [02:17] more complex? [02:17] more than "trunk" "testing" "stable" branches? [02:17] zillions branches, like chromium ;) [02:18] 1 per day [02:18] well. but still they do a "dev" "beta" and "stable" channel [02:18] so its 3 [02:19] asac: yeah, more like "branch 1.9.2 and backport limited subset" has been talked about [02:19] but all sort of "in theory" [02:23] asac: so, let me know about the source/binary package name [02:23] mconnor: is there a maximum time to fix on assigning oneself bugs in b.m.o? [02:23] teehee [02:24] oh, you're serious [02:24] no [02:24] well, I'm wondering whether or not to assign myself something [02:24] that I want fixes [02:24] *fixed [02:24] want fix ... or want to fix? [02:24] do it [02:24] if you're going to fix it [02:24] but I"m not sure how soon I'll do it [02:24] well [02:24] leave it for now then [02:25] because otherwise people will assume you're working on it [02:25] yeah ... dont claim it... check if its still not fixed when you find time [02:25] ok [02:25] do votes send out emails? [02:25] mconnor: so there is no idea about how many tinderbox trees there will be ? ... bummer; i really wanted to take that into account when redoing all this ;) [02:25] * micahg is trying to find some way to flag it [02:26] asac: tbd [02:26] will all be on the mailing lists soon enough [02:26] ok, I voted for it, so I can find it later :) [02:27] mconnor: ok ... any approx. time when that will start? [02:29] micahg: so for tbird without knowing anything i would suggest to go for thunderbird/thunderbird. but better check with me tomorrow again [02:29] its unlikely that we will have more than one package in the archive at the same time [02:37] asac: ok, we're supposed to talk tomorrow anyways === fenris__ is now known as ejat === micahg1 is now known as micahg === BUGabundo_work is now known as BUGabundo_lunch === BUGabundo_lunch is now known as BUGabundo_work === mac_v_ is now known as mac_v [17:51] fta: can we move dailies to 6am UTC? [17:51] asac, 2h later? [17:51] why 2h later? [17:51] hm, 1h [17:51] you think 7am UTC is better? [17:52] i would think that starting builds when pacific time is 2000 or so would make sense. [17:52] thats 4am even [17:52] or 2100 [17:52] to give those folks a bit of alonger day [17:52] most of our developers are Europe or US ... only a few in asia [17:53] trying to not block them might be a nice move :) [17:55] initially, i went for this time slot so we could fix ftbfs early [17:55] right [17:56] but in practice we dont cancel builds when they fail. so when we fix them doesnt really matter i guess [17:56] if i move to night time (us), i'll have to wait a full day to get feedbacks from upstream (at least for chromium) [17:56] and another day to get the fix [19:18] i need to respin the beta, it failed on lucid because of werror: http://codereview.chromium.org/431034 [21:14] asac, moved the whole umd stuff to 4am our time [21:27] micahg1, http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/3151297/French-army-chooses-open-source-for-email === micahg1 is now known as micahg [21:39] great [21:39] lets see if that works out well [21:42] fta: nice [22:44] asac, hey [22:44] asac, a fast question [22:44] asac, how can I get to folders view in mutt? [22:44] I mean, without having to select the folder manually [22:44] but having the complete view of the index [22:44] c [22:45] + tab [22:45] tab two times i think [22:45] tab once -> short view on folders [22:45] tab twice -> full view [22:46] thanks, let me see [22:48] yup, it works, thanks [23:17] finally a good mailer ;) [23:26] yes :) I'm using it together with imapfilter, it's working pretty good and the cron job does the right work [23:33] yeah [23:33] i like offlineimap too [23:33] that combined with an imap server and mutt is just rocking solid [23:35] asac: ~o~ [23:40] sebner, hey [23:41] aloha av` :) [23:41] sebner, feel free ping me for any Debian upload [23:42] av`: uhh, another sponsoring slave *hrhrhr* I'll keep that in mind, thx [23:43] asac: TB3, so eine verschlimmbesserung tzzzz [23:43] sebner, np :) [23:46] asac: did you decide if TB3 should be a new source or not for the moment? [23:48] micahg: i think we want to use the same source [23:49] asac: ok, do you want me to prepare it this weekend? [23:49] if you want to do that, it would be great. [23:49] also maybe use the same binary [23:49] * asac just said something that will be retroactively a decision [23:49] ok, that would allow people to still test with dailies [23:50] :) [23:50] things look like they're headed in that direction anyways [23:51] i think there is no way to not replace tbird 2 [23:51] so better get that in sooner than later [23:52] so we can take actions [23:52] debian will keep it versioned for a bit [23:52] i talked to the folks that work o nthat atm