[02:56] <cody-somerville> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/338425/
[02:56] <cody-somerville> fyi ^
[02:57] <Flannel> Yeah he hit up #u like 15 minutes ago
[02:59] <Flannel> sigh.
[02:59] <Flannel> Space Ghost seems to have discovered the bot
[03:04] <dtchen> slight issue in -devel
[03:05] <dtchen> (#ubuntu-devel)
[03:05] <Flannel> Mmmm, whos on the access list.
[03:05] <cody-somerville> issue resolved
[03:05] <Flannel> ah, n to the rescue!
[03:05] <dtchen> thanks
[03:38] <Flannel> Oh bugger, I had my ping turned off
[03:38] <cody-somerville> IkoniaISaSLUT just spammed #xubuntu
[03:39] <Madpilot> likewise #u
[03:39] <Madpilot> did a nickban
[03:40] <Madpilot> Flannel, looks like your ban from about 40min ago in #u was the same creature?
[03:40] <Madpilot> the tellas.gr IP
[03:41] <cody-somerville> Yes, same creature.
[04:00] <Flannel> Madpilot: Yeah
[04:19] <Flannel> sigh.
[04:42] <Flannel> asmodeus
[04:42] <Amaranth> Flannel: heh, that just banned all of the troublemakers
[04:42] <Flannel> Amaranth: They're all the same, and asmodeus
[04:43] <elky> eyes on mikhail in #u
[04:43] <Flannel> elky: Whys that?  Troublemaker elsewhere?
[04:44] <elky> see his entrance (as mikhail2)
 I am Mikhail Gorvachak
[04:44] <Flannel> elky: That was asmodeus renaming himself, I imagine to make it more difficult to kick/more collateral damage with a bad complete
[04:44] <Flannel> mikhail (1) is a different persn entirely, as far as I can tll
[04:44] <Madpilot> he's currently under Flannel's IP ban, so no worries
[04:45] <elky> aha, good spot
[04:50] <Flannel> SpaceGhostC2C: Howdy, How can we help you today?
[04:50] <SpaceGhostC2C> Hey, I wanted to know if there is a possibility to add a command to ubottu
[04:51] <Flannel> SpaceGhostC2C: Suggestions are always welcome, yes.
[04:51] <SpaceGhostC2C> How would I go about this?
[04:52] <Flannel> SpaceGhostC2C: /msg ubottu foo is bar
[04:53] <Madpilot> Flannel, that /remove I just administered in -ot has your favourite IP in it...
[04:53] <Flannel> Madpilot: Same ones, yeah.
[04:54] <Flannel> ubottu: tell fluffman about scope
[04:56] <Flannel> Ah, PM spam.
[04:57] <Madpilot> from your favourite IP?
[04:57] <Flannel> Madpilot: It wasn't my favorite IP until they showed up in #u half an hour ago, but yeah.
[04:58] <Madpilot> fun
[04:58] <SpaceGhostC2C> May I know what this IP is?
[04:58] <Amaranth> err
[04:58] <Flannel> SpaceGhostC2C: It's no big deal.  Is there anything else we can help you with today?
[04:59] <SpaceGhostC2C> Flannel, so I would just say !command is whatever?
[04:59] <SpaceGhostC2C> or just command is whatever?
[04:59] <Flannel> SpaceGhostC2C: Correct, a query or #ubuntu-bots is the best place
[05:00] <SpaceGhostC2C> May I make a test, to see how it works?
[05:00] <Flannel> SpaceGhostC2C: Sure
[05:04] <SpaceGhostC2C> thanks
[05:12] <Flannel> Oh fun.
[05:12] <Flannel> Apparently he's claiming to be me in #freenode and that I stole this nick from him
[05:13] <Madpilot> who?
[05:23] <Flannel> Madpilot: My most recent best friend
[05:23] <Madpilot> ah, the entertainment we volunteer for
[05:23] <Madpilot> :)
[05:23] <Flannel> He's currently "Flannel1" apparently
[05:23] <Flannel> ubottu: tell SpaceGhostC2C about scope
[05:25] <SpaceGhostC2C> Flannel, did I do something wrong?
[05:31] <SpaceGhostC2C> Sorry.
[05:33] <elky> i believe he was just letting you know the scope of factoids we exist
[05:33] <SpaceGhostC2C> Do you think that this factoid wouldn't be added?
[05:34] <elky> however, i'm pretty sure a factoid specifically intended to annoy the heck out of people falls outside that scope
[05:35] <SpaceGhostC2C> I can see that point of view and understand it. I personally think it would be fun, and could be used to diffuse tense situations.
[05:35] <SpaceGhostC2C> especially in #ubuntu-offtopic.
[05:36] <elky> annoying people isn't going to diffuse a situation in -offtopic.
[05:37] <SpaceGhostC2C> It's an opinion. I can see how you would arrive at that.
[05:38] <mneptok> cody-somerville: you might think about adding some more people from the ops team to the #x access list.
[05:40] <cody-somerville> mneptok, I'm happy to do so if someone can provide me with some names (or rather nicks) of ops who frequent #x
[05:41] <mneptok> cody-somerville: we get reports of abuse here. and end up watching in impotent dismay as no one can do anything.
[05:44] <cody-somerville> I thought with the UbuntuIrcCouncil nick being on the access list it would permit folks from the op team to op in #xubuntu
[05:44] <cody-somerville> Did I not add it right?
[05:44] <mneptok> no, just the Council people
[05:45] <mneptok> (jussi and Pici)
[05:46] <cody-somerville> mneptok, Would adding you to the access list be effective in helping alleviate the issue?
[05:47] <mneptok> cody-somerville: depends on time of day. i do sleep. ;)
[05:47] <cody-somerville> awkward.
[05:47]  * cody-somerville doesn't sleep.
[05:47] <mneptok> cody-somerville: i'd suggest bazhang, ikonia, Flannel, elky, and myself. that gets pretty decent coverage through most of the day.
[05:47] <cody-somerville> ok
[05:48] <mneptok> elky: i just voluntold you!
[05:49] <cody-somerville> Done.
[05:49] <mneptok> cody-somerville: it will really help when the *total* nutjobs go cycling through every *buntu channel
[05:49] <mneptok> cody-somerville: with a few more eyes on #x, we can stop things before they start.
[05:50] <mneptok> cody-somerville: be sure to scream here if you find any one of us invasive to the channel's smooth operation
[05:50] <cody-somerville> Sounds good.
[05:52] <cody-somerville> We are generally much more tolerant than #ubuntu since its since a smaller channel but of course have very little patience for folks like IkoniaISaSLUT
[05:52] <cody-somerville> oops, that second since should be a such <g>
[05:52] <mneptok> cody-somerville: since i don;t tend to idle in #x, i'm sure most of my involvement will be along the lines of the cavalry riding over the hill to save the village. not as town cop.
[05:53] <Madpilot> so you'll show up smelling like a horse and waving a curvy sword?
[05:57] <mneptok> don't i always?
[05:57] <mneptok> don't forget "bare-chested and well-oiled"
[05:58] <cody-somerville> Speaking on IkoniaISaSLUT, I set the following ban - is it doing what I want it to?: *!goliath@adsl-*.tellas.gr
[05:58] <elky> ikonia, ooh, you got upgraded from bitch?
[05:59] <mneptok> cody-somerville: might want to s/goliath/*goliath
[06:00] <cody-somerville> elky, Whoever the individual is behind the "Ikonia is a ..." campaign really didn't enjoy getting klined and so decided to take things to the next level unfortunately.
[06:00] <Madpilot> I just did IkoniaISaSLUT!*@* in #ubuntu, for now
[06:01] <Madpilot> no variations on the theme have emerged, so it worked that far
[06:01] <elky> cody-somerville, yeah, it's been going on for a few days now. it was bitch just last night.
[06:05] <Flannel> Mmmm, looks like I just got volunteered.
[06:05] <Flannel> Well, cody-somerville, I'm happy to help!
[06:17] <Madpilot> updated the /topic in #ubuntu to note that yes, ubuntuforums are apparently down.
[06:18] <Flannel> #ubuntuforums!
[06:20] <Madpilot> hmm?
[06:56] <vimpulse> Flannel:  hello
[06:56] <Flannel> vimpulse: Howdy
[06:56] <Flannel> vimpulse: That's 100% totally absolutely incorrect and inappropriate.
[06:56] <vimpulse> Flannel:  if I may ask -- why?
[06:57] <Flannel> vimpulse: For the record, you were suggesting that someone was being rude in asking for help because their problem wasn't big enough, yes?
[06:57] <vimpulse> Flannel:  yes.  It seems to me that the asker's mouse pointer was disappearing for a few seconds, probably no more than once an hour.
[06:58] <vimpulse> Flannel:  or maybe not actually disappearing, but instead changing from being an arrow to a spinner
[06:58] <Flannel> vimpulse: Who are you to judge what problem is "significant" enough to be asked?  Moreso, who are you to berate someone for asking a question?
[07:01] <vimpulse> Flannel:  I see your side.  But I am still not 100% convinced that you are right.  :)
[07:01] <vimpulse> dear everyone else -- opinions?
[07:01] <Flannel> vimpulse: I'm 100% sure that I'm right.
[07:02] <vimpulse> Flannel:  of course -- otherwise you wouldn't've said it.  But *I* am not 100% sure that you are right.  :)
[07:02] <Flannel> vimpulse: And the fact that you're even considering the opposite side of this concerns me.
[07:02] <elky> vimpulse, haranging people for seeking support is not permitted within any of our channels
[07:03] <vimpulse> is there no such thing as a support question too small to be worth asking supporters to spend their time on?
[07:03] <elky> vimpulse, no.
[07:03] <Flannel> elky means yes, there is no such thing as a question too small.
[07:04] <Madpilot> a small question might well have a small quick fix, and viola, one less irritated Ubuntu user
[07:04] <vimpulse> elky:  interesting.  I think there are channels with different philosophies.  For example, I think #centos.  But if the #ubuntu philosophy is that there is no too-small question, I will respect that when in #ubuntu.
[07:04] <cody-somerville> :)
[07:05] <elky> vimpulse, that's all we ask.
[07:05] <vimpulse> Note:  Even though I will respect the philosophy, I still think you should change it.  For example, look at Delta__'s problem.
[07:06] <elky> if you could take a look at the guidelines linked in the #ubuntu topic, then we will be sure we're on the right page in terms of behaviour in general
[07:06] <Flannel> vimpulse: I'm looking at it.  I don't see anything wrong with it.  I am totally sickened by the way you treated him though.
[07:08] <vimpulse> Flannel:  Delta__ is annoyed that Alsa is using 7-10% of CPU, I think when s/he's using a custom libao application.  Delta__ wants Folding@Home to run faster, so wants to reduce the CPU that Alsa uses.  But are there not more important support questions to be dealt with?
[07:09] <elky> vimpulse, importance is not for you to decide.
[07:09] <Flannel> vimpulse: Again, you're rating importance.  Stop it.
[07:09] <elky> vimpulse, if you dont want to answer it, dont answer it. fine by us
[07:09] <elky> but to scold someone for asking is beyond rude.
[07:10] <vimpulse> elky:  Flannel:  as you are ops, I plan to respect your guidelines about importance.  But my point is I think that maybe you should change your channel guidelines a little closer to no-spoonfeeding.
[07:10] <elky> vimpulse, we will do no such thing.
[07:10] <maco> that's not how this community works :)
[07:10] <maco> we like new users, you see
[07:10] <Madpilot> so who gets to define "spoonfeeding', vimpulse? You?
[07:11] <Flannel> vimpulse: How does "how do I make alsa use less CPU" equal spoonfeeding?
[07:11] <vimpulse> elky:  I read the guidelines on the wiki now.
[07:11] <vimpulse> Madpilot:  Flannel:  spoonfeeding was the wrong word here.
[07:11] <Flannel> vimpulse: You're saying we shouldn't be helpful.
[07:12] <cody-somerville> vimpulse, You're welcome to answer only the questions you want. However, there are others who might want to provide support for the questions you're not interested in answering which is cool too. However, if you tell users that their questions are illegitimate then you're not giving a chance to the other folks who want to help out have a chance to do so.
[07:12] <Flannel> vimpulse: This community does not RTFM.  "I know more than you, I can figure it out, why can't you?" is also the wrong stance to take.
[07:12] <maco> cody-somerville++
[07:12] <vimpulse> Flannel:  no.  There are two things.  One is reduction of spoonfeeding.  That means that questions which are easily answered by Googling shouldn't be answered in-channel.  #centos is big on non-spoonfeeding.
[07:12] <Flannel> vimpulse: #ubuntu is not #centos
[07:12] <vimpulse> Flannel:  I know
[07:13] <Flannel> vimpulse: Then stop trying to tell us we need to become #centos
[07:13] <Madpilot> vimpulse, "JFGI" and "RTFM" are not, ever, permitted on #ubuntu
[07:13] <maco> we have a factoid for that
[07:13] <vimpulse> Flannel:  I am saying there are things you can learn from #centos.  If people insist on spoonfeeding, maybe a better thing to do is to point people to the right Google search terms to use.
[07:13] <maco> !jfgi
[07:14] <Flannel> vimpulse: No one's insisting on spoonfeeding.  Perhaps it's time you move along from #ubuntu and stick to #centos
[07:14] <vimpulse> cody-somerville:  good point, and good explanation of why rating questions is bad.
[07:14] <vimpulse> Flannel:  maybe so :)
[07:14] <Madpilot> vimpulse, again, you are using a definition of "spoonfeeding" that has no place in #ubuntu.
[07:14] <maco> pointing someone to a specific webpage detailing an answer is certainly fine, but "google" is not a specific webpage
[07:15] <maco> basically, the concept of spoonfeeding doesnt exist in ubuntu. it's simply "helping"
[07:16] <vimpulse> maco:  I said "point people to the right Google search terms to use".  Often, when I do that, I google it myself first.  I check that the terms are the best terms to use.  Then I point a user to try the search.  If they tell me they can't find their answer, then I give them a clearer answer.
[07:18] <maco> why not just give them the page they need?
[07:18] <vimpulse> maco:  I find that it is sometimes useful to try to teach people how to find info by themselves.
[07:18] <maco> not everyone wants to learn that lesson. and that's ok.
[07:18] <maco> we're not all researchers
[07:18] <cody-somerville> vimpulse, Thats an admirable endeavor but unfortunately not the purpose of the #ubuntu channel.
[07:18] <elky> vimpulse, if you really desperately want #ubuntu to be like #centos, then by all means approach our Community Council and insist they set a "no spoonfeeding" rule. Only then will we bend to that demand. Until such a time, you will cease to insult people for the questions they ask in #ubuntu. You will not respond to questions you do not like. You will respect the guidelines of that channel just like everyone else
[07:18] <vimpulse> elky:  I already agreed to do that.
[07:19] <elky> then why are we still having a discussion here about question worthiness and how they ought t be responded to?
[07:19] <cody-somerville> Apologizes elky, my fault
[07:19] <vimpulse> elky:  because now I am trying to convince you to change your guidelines :)
[07:19] <elky> vimpulse, and i've told you how to do that.
[07:19] <elky> vimpulse, read what i actually wrote please.
[07:20] <vimpulse> elky:  do you mean "... approach our Community Council ..."?
[07:20] <cody-somerville> vimpulse, Its not a guideline, its a fundamental difference in our community :)
[07:20] <maco> and then i would definitely not consider #ubuntu a place that i'd want to send my mum for help
[07:20] <elky> vimpulse, i do indeed mean that.
[07:20] <maco> vimpulse: the Ubuntu Community Council
[07:21] <maco> elky: i think a "what" was missing in vimpulse's sentence
[07:21] <vimpulse> maco:  it wasn't.
[07:21] <maco> oh ok
[07:21] <maco> sorry :)
[07:21] <vimpulse> maco:  :)
[07:21] <vimpulse> maco:  if your mum learns to Google for, say, error message text, and someone on IRC teaches her to do so, then she *will* end up better off.  :)
[07:21] <maco> my mum shouldnt need to learn about error messages
[07:21] <maco> and so far, thankfully, has not :D
[07:21] <elky> vimpulse, stop it. you've been told to move on.
[07:22] <vimpulse> ok.
[07:22] <elky> this is a circular argument that is taking up the time of numerous operators. if you want to change how the ubuntu community works, speak to the Community Council.
[07:22] <elky> I'll have my popcorn ready for that discussion.
[07:22] <maco> me too
[07:23] <Madpilot> yeah, I'd show up for that CC meeting, even if it was at 0500 local time
[07:24] <jussi01> Guys, the sarcasm really isnt needed. lets help vimpulse to get where he needs to get and leave it there.
[07:24] <Flannel> Madpilot: I got approved by getting up at 5am local time.
[07:24] <Madpilot> Flannel, 0600 for me, actually. I got to sleep an hour later!
[07:25] <jussi01> vimpulse: is there anything else we can help you with?
[07:26] <vimpulse> jussi01:  nah, thanks.
[07:27] <Flannel> Hmm, IRC Guidelines could use with a reordering actually.
[07:27] <jussi01> Peoples, this isnt your person chat room, its a place for dealing with people who have an issues in ubuntu channels, as well as administrative issues.
[07:27] <elky> Flannel, it could do with better presentation, definitely
[07:27] <jussi01> Flannel: they need a re-write, its something the new ircc has on its agena
[07:27] <Flannel> Some of the important ones are near the bottom, while some of them that aren't generally applicable are near the top, etc.
[07:27] <elky> i, however, lack the necessary wikifu :(
[07:28] <Flannel> jussi01: I'm not talking about a rewrite, just re-ordering of what's on there so some of the more important ones are more likely to be read (specifically in this case: when helpig, be helpful)
[07:28] <jussi01> Flannel: Im just saying the re-ordering could be don when the rewrite is done :)
[07:29] <Flannel> I'm going to refrain from making a comment about the IRCC rewriting it.  But I don't think there's much point in waiting for a month or two for that process to complete.
[07:29] <elky> jussi01, one would require input/approval. one just moves stuff around. i dont see a convincing arg /against/ a shuffle now
[07:36] <MenZa> Oho. Hadn't rejoined since my netsplit.
[07:39] <elky> Flannel, still watching him?
[07:40] <Flannel> elky: I tabbed away about six minutes ago, but yeah, he's getting a lastlog regularly for the next few days
[07:42] <Flannel> meh.  Is today "everybody just discovered factoids" day?
[07:43] <Madpilot> mr vimpulse seems to have just discovered the !anyone factiod... :)
[07:44] <Flannel> 'dont work' would've been more appropriate in that instance anyway
[07:44] <Flannel> doesnt, even.
[07:48] <Flannel> Alright, I can't deal with him currently, as I'm starting to make it personal.  I'll be back in a bit.
[08:14]  * MenZa huggles Flannel 
[08:32] <dholbach> good morning
[08:58] <ikonia> sorry about the flooding guys - freenode k-lined the guy and he's not happy about it.
[08:58] <jussi01> ikonia: ?
[08:59] <ikonia> last ikonia in #ubuntu #xubuntu #fedora #kubuntu
[08:59] <ikonia> oh and #freenode
[09:00] <jussi01> oh, you got a fan. :) dont apologise on his behalf, not your fault
[09:00] <ikonia> still bad form for multiple channels to get hit like that
[09:38] <tsimpson> busy night ey
[09:39] <jussi01> hello tsimpson
[09:39] <tsimpson> \o hello
[09:55] <ardchoille> There's a user in #ubuntu that needs to change his/her nick (jizzinmypants) due to keeping the channel family friendly
[09:56] <ardchoille> My 8 year old neice doesn't need to see that
[10:15] <jizzinmypants> lol xd sry
[10:15] <jizzinmypants> but this is just the name of a song it's not that bad... but anyway i'll change it hehe
[10:16] <jussi01> jizzinmypants: thanks
[10:16] <jizzinmypants> np ;)
[10:16] <obiwan_> ok now hehe
[10:16] <jussi01> excellent :)
[10:17] <jussi01> obiwan_: thanks for your co-operation, we do appreciate it :)
[10:18] <obiwan_> this is my real nickname , i just use the other because if autoconnecting my client uses the obiwan nickname, and i like to avoid some people, so i enter with that nick, and if they aren't i use the real one. The problem is that if i'm out, whenever my conn drops it gets back the ji.... nick hehe
[10:19] <obiwan_> anyway, i don't know why i'm in ubuntu-ops chan :P is this a operators channel? i'm not op
[10:19] <ardchoille> Another questionable nick - CaptainPissWeak in #ubuntu
[10:23] <jussi01> obiwan_: you didnt join explicitly?
[10:24] <obiwan_> i don't think so, why would i have done so?
[10:24] <Flannel> obiwan_: You were forwarded here because of your inappropriate nick
[10:25] <obiwan_> hehe ok makes sense :)
[10:25] <jussi01> obiwan_: all sorted now, thanks for your understanding
[10:25] <Tm_T> also his "realname" is interesting
[10:26] <jussi01> obiwan_: oh, could you please fix the realname also, thanks :)
[10:26] <Tm_T> realname or ircname
[10:26] <obiwan_> which one?
[10:27] <Tm_T> obiwan_: whatever says "notchafuknbizzmodofok4" or similar (:
[10:27] <obiwan_> sry i've got many ones
[10:27] <obiwan_> actually i don't know what the realname is, the ident? or my name?
[10:29] <Tm_T> obiwan_: realname is same as ircname, that's what you provide along your nick, it's typically your real name but doesn't have to be
[10:30] <obiwan_> this all comes because of irssi can't handle with one ident/nick for each server, i just can have one for all networks and i don't like they see my real one in some ones
[10:30] <Tm_T> obiwan_: so set something like "noname" or similar then (:
[10:31] <obiwan_> hmm i see, but that just appears with whois right? i don't like whoisers that's why i set it, nobody will read it unless they whois me right?
[10:32] <Tm_T> obiwan_: or other methods, yes
[10:32] <Tm_T> obiwan_: I see it when you join
[10:32] <tsimpson> some clients automatically use /who on a channel to show "realnames" along with nicks
[10:33] <obiwan_> what i can change is the ident (ident@host), does'nt sound good and everybody sees it when connecting
[10:33] <jussi01> my client shows it on a simple mouseover
[10:33] <obiwan_> hm i didn't know about whoing chanels i'll try hehe
[10:34] <tsimpson> do it on a small channel, like this one
[10:34] <tsimpson> /who #ubuntu-ops
[10:34] <obiwan_> nice didn't kow about that :)
[10:35] <obiwan_> ok i'll change it
[10:35] <jussi01> :)
[10:36] <tonyyarusso> I take it that iptables command basically just shuts down networking?
[10:36] <ikonia> blocks everything
[10:36] <ikonia> (pretty much)
[10:37] <jussi01> probably shoudl have used !danger, but yea
[10:37] <obiwan_> lol this is good
[10:37] <obiwan_> i set mytfbwy
[10:38] <obiwan_> it supposed to be may the force be with you, but when thinking twice it's also may the f*** be with you, which sounds good for me, but nobody else knows :)
[10:39] <ikonia> please don't star out swear words
[10:40] <obiwan_> why? there may be children here that way they don't understand
[10:40] <tsimpson> if you have to disguise it, you probably shouldn't say it anyway
[10:44] <obiwan_> yeah, but anway everyone will understand force not the other, so the other meaning is reserved just for skiddies hehe
[10:44] <obiwan_> ok, i need to restart for changes taking place brb!
[10:45] <jizzinmypants> it didn't work :/
[10:45] <jizzinmypants> brb
[10:50] <ardchoille> this is the second time jizzinmypants has entered #ubuntu with that nick after being banned for it
[10:50] <ardchoille> Looks like he's pushing the envelope
[10:50] <tsimpson> that's for staying so we can explain
[10:51] <Tm_T> and why ardchoille doesn't use !ops if needed?
[10:52] <MenZa> Am I the only one who doesn't like DrManhattan's attitude in -ot?
[10:52] <obiwan_> yeah in the end eheh
[10:52] <MenZa> tsimpson: I'll let him know in a pm
[10:52] <obiwan_> what is ot? i think it's a tv series
[10:52] <tsimpson> MenZa: he was banned from #u for bad language, and doesn't want to discuss it with us
[10:52] <MenZa> tsimpson: Aye, I know
[10:53] <tsimpson> obiwan_: "ot" refers to #ubuntu-offtopic
[10:53] <obiwan_> hheh ok :P
[10:53] <MenZa> obiwan_: Have you fixed your issue yet?
[10:53] <obiwan_> yeahh
[10:53] <obiwan_> whois me :P
[10:54] <jussi01> obiwan_: excellent, please check our topic then :)
[10:54] <Tm_T> obiwan_: does your nick stick now too?
[10:54] <tsimpson> so you won't be that nick when you reconnect?
[10:54] <obiwan_> hmm yeah i think it still will be w8 hehe i'll try to change that too
[10:55] <jussi01> is it not with irssi that you cant change the config while connected/open?
[10:56] <Flannel> jussi01: You can with irssi
[10:56] <jussi01> ok, :)
[10:57] <MenZa> obiwan_: You might want to read /help network. Re-add freenode with -nick obiwan_ to keep it like that.
[10:58] <obiwan_> yeah but obiwan is registered and i don't want to set my pass in the computer just in case somebody stoles it
[10:58] <obiwan_> ok it's now changed
[10:58] <obiwan_> let me try
[10:58] <obiwan_> brb
[10:58] <obiwan_> please if i come back with the bad nick don't ban me i'm really trying to solve it
[10:58] <ikonia> unacceptable
[10:58] <ikonia> he shouldn't come back with a bad nick
[10:59] <Flannel> Tm_T: Because it's not a pressing issue, so there's no real need for the call.
[10:59] <shellfish> greattt it worked now heheh
[10:59] <Tm_T> Flannel: but he does it even when it's urgent at times
[10:59] <MenZa> shellfish: excellent!
[10:59] <Flannel> Tm_T: Ah, I hadn't noticed
[11:00] <Tm_T> Flannel: and never stay in channel enough so we can reply in _any_ way
[11:00] <shellfish> thxxx menz :)
[11:00] <Tm_T> that doesn't mean I didn't appreciate his doings, I do
[11:01] <MenZa> to be fair, ardchoille is only doing what the topic tells him to do.
[11:02] <tsimpson> shellfish: thanks, you can leave here now :)
[11:03] <shellfish> ok tsimpson :) many thanks everybody for the support and evrything
[11:05] <Tm_T> MenZa: I cannot read topic in way that it says "don't wait for reply"
[11:06] <MenZa> "Please do not idle here".
[11:06] <Tm_T> MenZa: waiting for answer or simple comment for even one minute is not idling (:
[11:06] <MenZa> Well, no.
[11:06] <MenZa> But it could be interpreted like that.
[11:06] <Tm_T> perhaps
[11:07] <Tm_T> that means our topic is not clear enough, I suppose
[11:07] <Flannel> His answer ends up generally being the [trouble] [being taken care of]
[11:08] <Tm_T> I would be more happy with that than flyby (:
[11:08] <Tm_T> but that's me, I like to be able comment if needed
[11:12] <jussi01> shellfish: anything else you need from us?
[11:13] <shellfish> nope sry i forgot to part
[11:13] <shellfish> have a nice day :)
[11:13] <shellfish> byee and may the force be with you
[11:25] <bazhang> drmanhattan seems to be treading a fine line here
[11:26] <MenZa> I'm tempted to forward him here to have a good chat with him.
[11:27] <tsimpson> if he continues despite warnings, forward
[11:28] <DrManhattan> XD
[11:28] <tsimpson> hello DrManhattan
[11:29] <tsimpson> you seem to want to discuss the Ubuntu operators, this is the place to do it
[11:29] <MenZa> DrManhattan: It seems to me that your approach, currently, is "Disregard #ubuntu rules, come complain in #ubuntu-offtopic, and talk down to the operators" -- could you confirm that?
[11:29] <DrManhattan> Nah.
[11:29] <MenZa> Alright then.
[11:31] <tsimpson> I suggest changing the mute to a ban in #u
[11:31] <bazhang> okay
[11:31] <MenZa> Changed to a regular ban
[11:31] <MenZa> Also, +1'ed, tsimpson
[11:31] <bazhang> done
[11:31] <tsimpson> there's still %*!*@97-93-78-11.static.rvsd.ca.charter.com set
[11:32] <ikonia> no chance of getting him back in here to resolve it ?
[11:32] <tsimpson> ikonia: he has been asked on several occasions to come here to talk about it, he refuses
[11:32] <Tm_T> banforward or ban then
[11:33] <bazhang> tsimpson, removed the mute, changed to ban in #ubuntu
[11:33] <MenZa> I forced him in here this time, nothing. So now I'm just flat-out banning him.
[11:33] <jussi01> Id say keep the banforward on, maybe he will then be prompted to takk about it and maybe we can get to a resolution
[11:33] <MenZa> Access to the channels are a privilege, not a right, and if you don't feel like making an effort when you've already violated the channel rules /several/ times, I don't see why you belong there.
[11:33] <jussi01> in as much as his state of mind may change at a different time of day
[11:34] <jussi01> ie. a banforward here
[11:34] <MenZa> Well, it hasn't changed in the past 2--3 days.
[11:34] <MenZa> I don't flat-out reject the idea of a banforward, but he knows the channel exists now.
[11:34] <MenZa> At least a regular ban gives him the choice if he wants to discuss it or not.
[11:35] <bazhang> ah nice. /notice'ing me in other channels
[11:35] <MenZa> cute. anything exciting?
[11:35] <bazhang> XD
[11:37] <MenZa> Er, Mendocino @ #ubuntu?
[11:38] <bazhang> looks like ongazevakir
[11:39] <bazhang> yep
[11:39] <MenZa> well, he certainly seems to know you :p
[11:39] <bazhang> many PMs after a number of mutes
[11:39] <MenZa> oh?
[11:42] <MenZa> \o/
[11:43] <MenZa> Ah, he's messaging me. Lovely.
[11:43] <MenZa> [2009-12-10 11:40:15 UTC]  <Mendocino> hello. wtfm have you got any problemz?
[11:43] <MenZa> [2009-12-10 11:43:10 UTC]  <Mendocino> ???
[11:44] <MenZa> bazhang: Why mute? o_O
[11:45] <bazhang> MenZa, try to catalyze him; it has worked for stretches before
[11:45] <MenZa> aha
[11:45] <bazhang> have in PM already
[11:47] <MenZa> excellent
[13:24] <ikonia> gone
[13:24] <ikonia> he's known
[13:24] <ikonia> watching in #x
[13:42] <ikonia> still being very offensive in pm to me, talking about taking revenge on ubuntu users and pegnuine fuckers
[13:43]  * jussi01 hugs ikonia
[13:44] <ikonia> doesn't bother me
[13:44] <ikonia> just for the record really
[13:45] <Pici> oh dear
[13:46] <ikonia> watching him in #xubuntu
[15:00] <Pici> jussi01: http://paste.ubuntu.com/338705/
[15:02] <ikonia> Pici: that looks cool
[15:05] <jussi01> Pici: how does it know its you (or me)?
[15:06] <Pici> jussi01: launchpadlib will prompt you the first time you use it to login to lp and give authorization to that application to work on your behalf.  https://help.launchpad.net/API/launchpadlib#Getting%20started explains what shows up
[15:07] <jussi01> Pici: where is the current version of this script ?
[15:08] <Pici> If someone else uses the program they'll just get some unhandled exception that they weren't able to add the person to the team.
[15:08] <Pici> jussi01: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~bnrubin/+junk/lpteam
[15:09] <topyli> btw, there's a great opportunity to cheer for topyli for irc council now, on the wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JuhaSiltala
[15:09] <topyli> sorry for spamming
[15:09]  * ikonia admires Pici's honesty of unhandled execption
[15:10] <jussi01> /arn topyli don't spam you! :P :P
[15:11] <topyli> jussi01, too late, it's done :)
[15:11] <jussi01> :D
[15:11] <Pici> ikonia: I honestly haven't tested it.
[15:12] <ikonia> Pici: nice to see honesty
[15:12] <Pici> jussi01: if you use it, let it 'change non-private data' when lp asks.
[15:12] <ikonia> Pici: would you like me to run it to get some data for you ?
[15:13] <Pici> ikonia: nah, its okay.
[15:13] <ikonia> no problem
[15:17] <Pici> ikonia: Actually, it looks like it'll throw an HTTPError, which I am handling.
[15:17] <ikonia> ahhh modesty then
[17:51] <Pici> !ping
[17:58] <MenZa> Er.
[17:58] <MenZa> "This is the Official blackhole of Ubuntu chatter" - #ubuntuforums topic
[17:58] <MenZa> o_o
[17:59] <Pici> Thats been there forever.
[17:59] <MenZa> :[
[18:00] <jpds> Argh.
[18:00] <jpds> Seriously.
[18:00] <Pici> agreed.
[18:01] <Pici> now hes messaging the floodbot.
[18:02] <jpds> Haha.
[19:00] <genii_> Heads up for tsimpson , jussi01 , other #k ops... Have to take cornwall down for 15-20 minutes, we're shuffling stuff around here right now. One of the floodbots in #k is gonna go down for a bit
[19:00] <Pici> Thanks for the heads up
[19:01] <genii_> OK, I'm out for now
[19:13] <tsimpson> the bots should cope with just 2 of them
[19:14] <maco> does someone wanna have a word with gOLDfeesh?
 maco no, people need to learn that not everything is "fix it for me" and that they have quick help links that they can follow
[19:15] <maco> when i told them they didnt need to use bot factoids after i'd already given answers
[19:56] <IdleOne> mikelevel auto responds in spanish to any writing in caps. nothing vulgar but still can be annoying
[20:01] <ikonia> Hmm looks like someones being naughty setting up #ubuntu-es-es to try to compete with #ubuntu-es
[20:02] <tsimpson> that was registered nearly 3 years ago apparently
[20:02] <ikonia> not checked but it seems odd
[20:04] <tsimpson> it also has a mailing list @lists.ubuntu.com, odd indeed
[21:55] <Amaranth> !mintsupport
[21:57] <Amaranth> !-mintsupport
[21:57] <Amaranth> !no mintsupport is <reply>Linux Mint is not a supported derivative of Ubuntu, please seek support in #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org
[21:57] <Amaranth> gah
[21:57] <Amaranth> @login
[21:58] <Amaranth> !no mintsupport is <reply>Linux Mint is not a supported derivative of Ubuntu, please seek support in #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org
[21:58]  * genii hands Amaranth a strong mug of coffee
[21:58] <maco> !mintsupport
[21:58] <maco> didnt work
[22:00] <genii> !mintsupport
[22:33] <MenZa> !mint
[22:33] <MenZa> hm