[01:14] <slangasek> is tester 'Ulysses' on IRC?
[06:51] <ara> morning!
[07:50] <^arky^> hi
[07:50] <^arky^> anyone faced any issues with manual partitioning
[08:11] <ara> hey ^arky^
[08:12] <ara> ^arky^, I fixed the script url in the blog post
[08:12]  * ara is doing alt i386 manual partitioning, btw
[08:31] <davmor2> Morning all
[08:32] <ara> morning davmor2
[08:35] <^arky^> hi ara , filed two one iso tracker, hope I got the process right
[08:35] <^arky^> s/one/new ones/
[08:36] <ara> ^arky^, nice :)
[08:37] <davmor2> ^arky^: if they show up on the tracker you almost certainly did :)
[08:38]  * ara takes a coffee break
[09:17] <ara> davmor2, how is your testing going? any particular wtf I might know?
[09:21] <davmor2> oem->end user gdm loses keyboard
[09:22] <davmor2> when you reboot it works again
[09:22] <davmor2> there is no fglrx module
[09:23] <davmor2> and finally software center is in the wrong place
[09:23] <davmor2> oh and launchpad keeps timing out on the bug I'm trying to report
[09:27] <davmor2> ara: can you report a bug on lp
[09:30] <ara> davmor2, on the timing out?
[09:31] <davmor2> yeah every which way I try and word this description for the keyboard failing lp times out
[09:32] <ara> davmor2, it might be a temporal issue
[09:32] <davmor2> yeah just annoying
[09:35] <Yos> How do I make a txt file out of lspci to attach to a bug report?
[09:36] <davmor2> Yos: use lspci -vvnn > lspci.txt
[09:36] <Yos> Thanks again :)
[10:19]  * ara takes alt i386 free software only
[10:36] <davmor2> takes ltsp
[10:37] <ara> no matter how many times or configurations I try, vbox is always faster than kvm :-/
[10:41] <davmor2> ara: report it as a bug
[10:42] <ara> davmor2, like in "kvm is so damn slow" ?
[10:43] <davmor2> No but you could do kvm is consistantly slower than vbox this really shouldn't be the case
[10:45] <ulysses__> slangasek: I'm now here, sorry
[10:46] <slangasek> ulysses__: oh, hello
[10:47] <slangasek> ulysses__: I was wondering about your test report; if I remember which one it was, you said that OEM config hung after reboot, showing the udev messages from brltty?
[10:47] <ulysses__> yes
[10:47] <slangasek> the brltty udev messages shouldn't have caused a hang, so I think you have two bugs
[10:48] <slangasek> could you file a bug report on oem-config about the second one?
[10:49] <ulysses__> The ISOs were rebuilt since then, so I think I should repeat the test, perhaps the bug was fixed.
[10:50] <slangasek> yes, that's a good idea
[10:52] <soren> ara: Is kvm /really/ slow for you, or just a bit slower than virtualbox?
[10:52] <ara> soren, ok, let's say it is just slower. but you can feel the difference :-)
[10:53] <soren> ara: Is this when doing alternate or server installs, by any chance?
[10:53] <slangasek> ulysses__: I've uploaded the fix for brltty as well; I'm not rerolling any alpha1 CDs for it, but in a few hours it should be possible to definitively rule it out by pulling in the upgraded package from the network at install time
[10:53] <ara> soren, it was during alternate
[10:53] <ara> soren, alt installs, yes
[10:53] <soren> ara: Ok, that I can actually believe.
[10:54] <soren> ara: There are some architectural reasons why screen updates in kvm are really slow in the server and alternate installer, so it's reasonably well-known, actually.
[10:55] <ulysses__> slangasek: I will test, and report the bug if I can
[10:55] <ara> soren, good to know :)
[10:55] <soren> The installed system, as well as desktop installs, should be faster in kvm.
[10:55] <soren> Quite a bit, actually.
[10:55] <ara> soren, I will give it a second try ;-)
[10:55] <ara> Ubuntu Server Team <3 KVM
[10:56] <soren> :)
[10:56] <soren> Ironically, even qemu does screen updates faster than kvm in the alternate and server installer.
[11:21] <davmor2> soren: that seems kinda back to front though surely?
[11:28] <soren> davmor2: Yes. Hence,  "ironically".
[11:29] <davmor2> soren: I got the irony but it sounds so wrong still :(
[12:13] <ulysses__> slangasek: I repeated the OEM install, with the same error, here is the screenshot: http://imagebin.ca/view/bnnUh1R.html
[12:17] <slangasek> ulysses__: please file a bug on oem-config, then
[12:22] <davmor2> ulysses__: is that on hw or vm
[12:23] <ulysses__> vm, virtualbox 3.1
[12:24] <davmor2> live or alternate, i386 or amd 64?
[12:25] <ulysses__> alternate i386, the latest build
[12:26] <davmor2> okay cool I'll try a live 64bit oem on hw and see what results we get there, probably the same but it's worth a check
[12:34] <ulysses__> slangasek: I filed a bug, if you need more information, ask me, here is the link: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/oem-config/+bug/495012
[12:34] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 495012 in oem-config "Kubuntu OEM install hangs up on boot" [Undecided,New]
[12:42] <slangasek> ulysses__: ok, thanks
[12:45]  * ara -> lunch
[12:45] <ara> slangasek, I saw that you already changed the ec2 / uc2 images in the tracker, thanks
[12:46] <slangasek> n/p :)
[14:00] <nperry> ulysses__: Bug has already been filed for that, bug 491775
[14:00] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 491775 in brltty "udevd warnings in /lib/udev/rules.d/85-brltty.rules" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/491775
[14:00] <ulysses__> nperry: I know
[14:00] <ulysses__> but this is another problem with OEM installation
[14:01] <nperry> Ah ok, sorry!
[14:04] <moustafa> fader_, cr3, davmor2 : Voyage à l'épicerie
[14:05] <fader_> moustafa: baguette!
[14:05] <davmor2> morning moustafa fader_ cr3
[14:06] <ulysses__> I installed Kubuntu Lucid alternate i386 (erase entire disk), I could use it only after fixing broken packages from recovery console. The question is: passed or failed?
[14:06] <fader_> davmor2: Howdy
[14:07] <fader_> ulysses__: Yeah, that one sounds pretty bad... I'd personally fail it
[14:07] <moustafa> fader_ : Hon hon!
[14:07]  * fader_ is grabbing UNR to test some hardware and will pick up the UNR ISO test cases at the same time.
[14:08] <davmor2> ulysses__: on the latest image?
[14:08] <ulysses__> davmor2: yes, I use the dl-ubuntu-test-iso program
[14:09] <davmor2> ulysses__: okay just checking
[14:21] <moustafa> fader_ : Were the images updated today?  Or are we using the same as yesterday?
[14:21] <fader_> moustafa: Yes. :)
[14:21] <fader_> moustafa: The ISO tracker shows the version we're testing; some are from today but not all
[14:22] <moustafa> fader_ That was magically vague
[14:23] <fader_> moustafa: Then my work here is done ;)
[14:23] <fader_> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/all/all
[14:24] <fader_> moustafa: davmor2 is usually better plugged into what's going on than anyone else, so if he pops in and contradicts me, listen to him (for once)
[14:24] <davmor2> moustafa: kubuntu was
[14:24] <davmor2> ubuntu is the same as is xubuntu
[14:25] <davmor2> moustafa: what are you looking to test?
[14:25] <moustafa> davmor2: Anything I can test.
[14:26] <moustafa> davmor2: Should Ubuntu Studio be tested?  The rt kernel does offer its own share of quirks
[14:26] <davmor2> moustafa: anything on the list that has no tests is a good place to be
[14:27] <moustafa> Ok, so I'll start with the DVDs, and the Netbook, and work my way to Ubuntu Studio
[14:27] <fader_> moustafa: We want to hit everything we can :)
[14:27] <fader_> moustafa: FYI, I am working on UNR right now so no need to grab that one
[14:27] <moustafa> fader_: Are we testing ISOs or playing Contra?
[14:27] <fader_> Unless you want to that is... more testing is always good
[14:28] <fader_> moustafa: As the system boots, do up-up-down-down-left-right-left-right...
[14:28] <moustafa> a,b,a,b, select, start
[14:30]  * moustafa really hopes DownThemAll! "rapes" the download limit
[14:33] <fader_> Nice... netbook-launcher segfaults in the live environment\
[14:33] <fader_> :)
[14:34] <fader_> Heh, also, best bug title I've seen today: bug 373498
[14:34] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 373498 in netbook-launcher "Mutlimonitor UNR makes me want to start killing kittens (again)." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/373498
[14:39] <moustafa> What's with all the kitty killing?
[14:39] <fader_> What worries me is the "again"
[14:40] <davmor2> moustafa: kittens are cute so if you need to kill one things must really be bad ;)
[14:41] <davmor2> moustafa: besides you wouldn't want to try and kill a tiger would you ;)
[14:41] <moustafa> davmor2: Unless you're just a sick fool who takes any excuse to kill kittens
[14:41] <fader_> davmor2: I think I could take a tiger kitten
[14:41] <fader_> If I had a long stick and a head start
[14:41] <davmor2> fader_: they can climb sticks dude ;)
[14:42] <fader_> davmor2: Did I mention this stick was hollow, made of steel, and shoots bullets?
[14:42] <moustafa> fader_: A BOOMSTICK?
[14:43] <fader_> It goes with my chainsaw hand.
[14:43] <davmor2> fader_: but they you would P.O. mummy and daddy tiger :D  I would want to see the mess they'd make of you :)
[14:43] <fader_> Okay, so I lied about UNR testing -- if anybody else wants to take a look, see if netbook-launcher is segfaulting for you
[14:44] <moustafa> Resuming downloads
[14:45] <davmor2> fader_: have a word with lool
[14:45] <moustafa> I should be able to test UNR in...20 minutes :(
[14:45] <fader_> At least in the live environment; I haven't finished an install yet
[14:45] <fader_> lool: davmor2 says I should bug you about netbook-launcher segfaulting
[14:49] <moustafa> 8 minutes until I can test UNR
[14:52] <fader_> moustafa: You going to test it on real hardware or a VM?
[14:52] <moustafa> fader_: Real hardware
[14:52] <moustafa> fader_: I'll attempt to test as many things at the same time as I can, so I'll be using the machines in the lab
[14:52] <fader_> Cool... I have tried it on a Toshiba NB100, so please try something else... it might be specific to this hardware
[14:52] <fader_> Rockin
[14:57] <astechgeek> with yesterdays build for desktop amd64.iso was the desktop background supposed to be black?
[14:57] <astechgeek> before X started I got low graphics messages
[14:59] <astechgeek> manual partitioning worked but there weren'
[14:59] <astechgeek> were not any desktop icons
[15:01] <fader_> astechgeek: That does not sound like expected behavior, no
[15:02] <techgeek> Yea I didn't think so... stupid question how would I file the results
[15:03] <fader_> techgeek: Probably the best way is to use ubuntu-bug on the affected system... e.g. open a terminal and run "ubuntu-bug xorg"
[15:04] <fader_> At least for the low-res graphics issue
[15:04] <fader_> The lack of icons sounds more like nautilus didn't start up -- do you get anything if you right-click on the desktop?
[15:07] <techgeek> no right clicking the desktop didn't do anything,
[15:07] <techgeek> okay you answered my question. File a bug
[15:08] <fader_> techgeek: Yep, sounds like you have two different issues; one for xorg and one for nautilus
[15:09] <fader_> moustafa: I'm getting the same netbook-launcher behavior after install, so it's probably enough to see if it happens in the live environment on other hardware
[15:23] <ara> I think the person filing bug #500000 should get a prize or something
[15:23] <ara> we are getting close
[15:23] <ara> like in "Congrats!!! You just filed bug 500.000 in Launchpad!!!"
[15:23] <fader_> ara: We should give them a free copy of Ubuntu! :D
[15:24] <ara> fader_, seeing the prices those get in the south american market, it can be a good prize indeed :D
[15:24] <davmor2> it could be I've found a few in kubuntu
[15:24] <fader_> Hehe
[15:25] <fader_> ara: I should start selling Ubuntu CDs full-time for those prices
[15:25] <ara> hehehe
[15:25] <ara> you just go to uds, grab them all, and then sell them
[15:27] <ara> can anyone try to reproduce this in real hw?
[15:27] <ara> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm/+bug/495082
[15:27] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 495082 in gdm "Changing from default user to guest session and back crashes gdm" [Undecided,New]
[15:28] <fader_> moustafa: ^^^ do you have any systems in the lab that are running the latest desktop image?
[15:29] <moustafa> fader_ Not yet.  I tried to do too much on this laptop and the Celeron processor couldn't handle everything, so I had to give it a "breather".  I'm back on track, but delayed
[15:30] <fader_> moustafa: Okay, just looking to help test ara's bug as I don't have anything set up at the moment
[15:30] <fader_> ara: I should be able to try to reproduce this in an hour or two, but I suspect you'll be offline by then
[15:31] <fader_> If nobody gets it before then I'll add a comment to the bug
[15:31] <moustafa> fader_ I have some Ubuntu desktop disks ready, I could install it and try it out
[15:31] <fader_> moustafa: Your call; I don't want you to try to do too much at once and end up thrashing :)
[15:31] <davmor2> ara: I get gdm but I don't get a desktop once logged in
[15:31] <moustafa> fader_ That's ok, I love metal
[15:31] <fader_> I'm going to be doing desktop tests on real hardware once I finish up the netbook tests, so I'll be installing desktop anyway
[15:31] <fader_> hehe
[15:32] <fader_> moustafa: Go for it then dude :)
[15:34] <ara> davmor2, so, you get a normal session, as it had crashed?
[15:35] <davmor2> ara: I get normal->guest->gdm then after typing in the pass for normal user I get blackness and cursor the end
[15:36] <ara> davmor2, can you check /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old and /var/log/Xorg.0.log to look for crashes
[15:36] <ara> ?
[15:42] <davmor2> worlds biggest log file
[15:43] <davmor2> ara: I don't see anything that screams crash
[15:49] <moustafa> fader_ What should I expect to see failing on UNR?
[15:50] <fader_> moustafa: netbook-launcher (the full-screen menu interface)
[15:50] <fader_> i.e. I got only the menu bar at the top and a blank desktop
[15:50] <fader_> If you get that, you can hit alt-f2, run gnome-terminal, and see if "netbook-launcher" segfaults when you run it
[15:50] <ara> moustafa, maximus (applications getting maximized by default)
[15:51] <fader_> ara: maximus worked for me, just no launcher
[15:51] <ara> fader_, ok, I thought moustafa was asking for typical failings of unr
[15:51] <fader_> ara: gotcha :)
[15:57] <moustafa> I also had a jockey-gtk failure
[15:57] <moustafa> I'll try and launch the netbook-launcher
[15:59] <fader_> moustafa: so netbook-launcher did not start automatically?
[16:00] <moustafa> fader_ No, it did not.  I tried launching it with the terminal, and at first it didn't launch, and the second time it segfaulted
[16:02] <fader_> moustafa: Roger, thanks.  Can you mark bug 495066 as confirmed for me?
[16:02] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 495066 in netbook-launcher "Lucid netbook-launcher segfaults when started" [Critical,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/495066
[16:24] <fader_> moustafa: There's an HP mini in the lab somewhere, right?
[16:24]  * fader_ is too lazy to look it up in the database.
[16:25] <davmor2> fader_: you have one :P
[16:26] <fader_> davmor2: Yeah, but since the model I've been testing isn't booting after install and my mini is the only working system I have right now, I'm not going to try putting Lucid A1 on it :)
[16:26] <davmor2> wimp
[16:27] <fader_> moustafa: Can you try UNR on 200908-3474 when you have a moment?
[16:27] <fader_> That should be an HP Mini 1000
[16:28] <fader_> Install seems to work for me but then it never boots
[16:30] <moustafa> I think that's what I used to test the netbook-launcher
[16:30] <fader_> Hmm, strange
[16:31] <moustafa> fader_ I can confirm I'm using 200909-3474, but install is a bit slow
[16:31] <fader_> It may be flaky hardware then; I'll test it with karmic or something in a bit
[16:31] <moustafa> * 200908-3474
[16:31] <moustafa> I'm actually installing...so...do I stop?
[16:32] <fader_> moustafa: Nope, I would be very interested if it works
[16:33] <fader_> I thought you had already installed on it, sorry
[17:02] <jdstrand> soren: hi! fyi, I checked test-postgresql.py into qrt. This currently runs the testsuite in postgresql-common which should have ~1000 tests in it.
[17:02] <jdstrand> soren: it might be nice to add an 'Integrate qa-regression-tests postgresql tests into checkbox: TODO' to qa-lucid-automated-server-testing
[17:03] <jdstrand> soren: fyi only... not trying to create more work for you ;)
[17:12] <sal_> what is the best way to report testing bits?
[17:13]  * jdstrand wonders why he doesn't show up in http://piware.de/workitems/qa/lucid/report.html, when he clearly has a work item in qa-lucid-automated-server-testing
[17:14] <jdstrand> oh, it is showing up under soren's list
[17:42]  * moustafa is disappointed davmor2 isn't here :(
[17:45] <fader_> moustafa: Any luck on getting the HP Mini installed?
[17:46] <moustafa> Haven't checked on it yet, had some parallel issues alongside, I'll check right away
[17:51] <moustafa> fader_ It's progressing excessively slowly
[17:51] <fader_> Hmm
[17:51] <moustafa> And apparently, blanking disks with Brasero is a bad idea
[17:51] <fader_> How come?
[18:00] <moustafa> fader_ The install is at 80%.  It's horrendously slow.  I'm not sure if I want to blame the hardware or the USB key
[18:00] <fader_> moustafa: I blame you personally :)
[18:01]  * moustafa cries
[18:27] <jdstrand> marjo: fyi-- I noticed that some of the QA work item lists have the format:
[18:27] <jdstrand>  [cr3] * Write script to branch qa-regression-testing: DONE
[18:27] <jdstrand> marjo: that '*' shouldn't be there (see ubuntu-devel from a little while ago)
[18:28] <marjo> jdstrand: ok, i'll fix them
[18:28] <marjo> thx!
[18:28] <jdstrand> marjo: the script won't put 'cr3' in the right place in the workitems report if the '*' is there
[18:28] <jdstrand> marjo: np!
[19:20] <moustafa> fader_ : Could the firewall be in the way of an installation where it would need to fetch items from a repository?
[19:20] <fader_> moustafa: Shouldn't be; it allows access to the repositories
[19:21] <moustafa> fader_ : Ah, because the Ubuntu Studio 64-bit installer failed on the same spot :(
[19:21] <fader_> Which spot?
[20:37] <moustafa> fader_ This is aggravating:  I (finally) finish the Netbook installer, let it reboot, and forget to have it skip the network install :(  Now I start it again by going straight to the installer, and it's already almost finished
[20:37] <fader_> moustafa: D'oh :(
[20:37] <moustafa> Oh! Vanity!  Thy name is Farnsworth!
[20:37] <fader_> Heheh
[20:41] <moustafa> fader_ In somewhat related news: What's the "Debian installer"?  The straight installer mode or the text install?
[20:41] <fader_> moustafa: That's the text-mode installer.  ubiquity is the graphical installer.
[20:44] <moustafa> fader_ netbook-launcher segfaults after the install!
[20:44] <fader_> moustafa: Okay, good -- not just me then :)
[20:46] <moustafa> fader_ : The performance is good.  Great, even.  But it's not quite what UNR is shown to be
[20:46] <fader_> moustafa: Eh?
[20:47] <moustafa> fader: It boots up fast, runs smoothly, but since the netbook-launcher fails to start, it's not UNR
[20:48] <fader_> Hehe indeed
[22:01] <moustafa> fader_ , cr3: Good evening, see you tomorrow!
[22:02] <fader_> moustafa: Cya!