| Sarvatt | do chroot problems on launchpad automatically give back builds? no retry button and everything tormod uploaded an hour ago failed on amd64 | 00:38 |
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| Sarvatt | looks like nouveau isn't working on 2.6.32-7 because a modalias for vga16fb was added to match all gpus just after gpu modules get checked, but nouveau builds later and is at the end of the list | 04:03 |
| Sarvatt | in /lib/modules/2.6.32-7-generic/modules.alias | 04:04 |
| Sarvatt | guess I should bring that up in #ubuntu-kernel instead :D | 04:07 |
| Sarvatt | also with the udev stuff in xserver, Amaranth is having his applesmc (accelerometer) getting recognized as a joystick and moving his mouse | 04:12 |
| Sarvatt | ack, that vga16fb change in 2.6.32-7 is making ALL kms stop working | 04:34 |
| RAOF | Sarvatt: Want to try my 2.6.32-7 kernel that builds nouveau in-tree? _That_ works :) | 04:39 |
| RAOF | Amaranth: Can you now control your mouse by orienting your laptop? Sweet! | 04:40 |
| Amaranth | RAOF: heck yeah | 04:40 |
| Sarvatt | RAOF: the bug actually is the vga16fb change making _all_ KMS stop working on 2.6.32-7 | 04:41 |
| Amaranth | oh, and pommed can control my backlight when using KMS so I guess whatever it does needs to be ported to the kernel to provide backlight support | 04:41 |
| Sarvatt | radeon nouveau and intel | 04:41 |
| RAOF | Sarvatt: Which is strange, because my 2.6.32-7 kernel appears to work fine? | 04:41 |
| Amaranth | and I have to use KMS now since the intel driver doesn't support anything else | 04:41 |
| RAOF | Is this a newer kernel than 2.6.32-7.10? | 04:41 |
| Sarvatt | yeah it will if your userspace works with UMS | 04:41 |
| Sarvatt | xorg-edgers intel doesnt have UMS support anymore :( | 04:42 |
| Amaranth | right, which is alright since pommed works for my backlight | 04:42 |
| Sarvatt | sudo cat /sys/module/i915/parameters/modeset | 04:43 |
| Sarvatt | or radeon or nouveau instead of i915 | 04:43 |
| Amaranth | Sarvatt: -1 | 04:43 |
| Sarvatt | yep UMS :( | 04:43 |
| Amaranth | err, what? | 04:43 |
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| Sarvatt | it would be 1 if you were using KMS | 04:43 |
| Amaranth | I can assure you I'm using KMS, my terminals look awesome | 04:44 |
| Amaranth | and if I boot with i915.modeset=0 I can't even get X | 04:44 |
| Amaranth | oh, and VT switching just crashed my fonts :/ | 04:44 |
| Sarvatt | are you using xorg-edgers or ubuntu? | 04:44 |
| Amaranth | xorg-edgers | 04:44 |
| Sarvatt | dmesg | grep inteldrmfb | 04:45 |
| Sarvatt | says its loaded? | 04:45 |
| Amaranth | I can't tell what you said | 04:45 |
| Amaranth | [ 2.212605] fb0: inteldrmfb frame buffer device | 04:45 |
| Amaranth | I can't tell what I said either | 04:46 |
| Amaranth | is that good? | 04:46 |
| Amaranth | oddly the fonts in chromium still look just fine | 04:48 |
| Sarvatt | yep, must be something else about it then | 04:48 |
| Sarvatt | i can't use 2.6.32-7, having that fb1 as a vga16fb screws things up | 04:48 |
| Sarvatt | oh yeah, that applesmc being a joystick thing is supposed to be a _feature_ :D | 04:49 |
| Sarvatt | i guess there was a hal fdi filtering it out or something before? | 04:49 |
| Sarvatt | googled it and people wanted to use it as a joystick for neverball | 04:50 |
| Amaranth | yeah, must have been a hal thing filtering it | 04:50 |
| Amaranth | brb, restarting X | 04:50 |
| Amaranth | ah, there we go | 04:52 |
| Amaranth | I blindly trusted what you told me to run in a terminal, couldn't read it at all :P | 04:52 |
| Sarvatt | inteldrmfb = a KMS framebuffer, it wouldn't say that if you didnt have KMS working | 04:53 |
| Amaranth | yeah | 04:54 |
| Amaranth | oh, fun fact, X crashes 2 or 3 times every time gdm tries to start | 04:55 |
| Amaranth | then it loads but if I type my password incorrectly it crashes a couple more times | 04:55 |
| * Amaranth wonders where apport is | 04:55 | |
| RAOF | Still disabled in Lucid, isn't it? | 04:58 |
| Amaranth | yeah, that's going to be bad | 04:59 |
| Amaranth | alpha 1 is going to be worthless wrt to people finding crashes | 04:59 |
| Amaranth | anyway, bed time for me | 04:59 |
| Sarvatt | RAOF: i think its something specific to that guys hardware he's using nouveau on, the vga16fb doesn't interfere with nouveau KMS here, just checked it | 05:00 |
| Sarvatt | hyperair: got an magic fixes for a wildly unstable geany? :D | 05:53 |
| hyperair | Sarvatt: what's up with geany? | 05:57 |
| Sarvatt | crashing when i build 1/10 times or so, getting Gtk:ERROR:/build/buildd/gtk+2.0-2.19.1/gtk/gtkfilesystemmodel.c:295:emit_row_changed_for_node: assertion failed: (id < (model)->files->len) | 06:00 |
| Sarvatt | maybe it just needs a rebuild against the new gtk+ | 06:01 |
| Sarvatt | building the newest svn anyway, hoping that works | 06:02 |
| Sarvatt | nope :( | 06:07 |
| hyperair | looks like a gtk issue O_o | 06:08 |
| hyperair | i haven't noticed anything of this sort | 06:08 |
| seb128 | hey there | 11:59 |
| seb128 | does anybody know what code read locale.alias? and why that's done several time? | 11:59 |
| seb128 | oe | 11:59 |
| seb128 | ie | 12:00 |
| seb128 | $ strace -e open xeyes 2>&1 | grep locale.alias | 12:00 |
| seb128 | open("/usr/share/X11/locale/locale.alias", O_RDONLY) = 4 | 12:00 |
| seb128 | open("/usr/share/X11/locale/locale.alias", O_RDONLY) = 4 | 12:00 |
| seb128 | open("/usr/share/locale/locale.alias", O_RDONLY) = 4 | 12:00 |
| seb128 | ... | 12:00 |
| seb128 | hum, same question about .ICEauthority | 12:05 |
| tjaalton | seb128: the latter is gnome specific AIUI | 12:37 |
| tjaalton | locale.alias comes from libx11 | 12:37 |
| seb128 | tjaalton, the .ICEauthority comes from libICE | 14:13 |
| tjaalton | seb128: heh, ok | 14:16 |
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| tjaalton | heh, linus demands redhat to merge nouveau drm in the kernel | 18:01 |
| tjaalton | on dri-devel@ | 18:01 |
| Sarvatt | ohh i gotta check that thread out :D | 18:19 |
| Amaranth | heh, less flames from linus then I expected | 18:36 |
| Duke` | I often got freezes with recent drm when fast scrolling in firefox, is it a know issue? | 18:38 |
| tjaalton | Duke`: how recent? haven't heard of such | 18:41 |
| Duke` | well I haven't tracked this bug a lot, but if I remember it started to appear begining december | 18:42 |
| Duke` | I have to revert to 2009-11-25's version to get back driver stability | 18:42 |
| Duke` | when the problem happens, there's a ton of error messages in dmesg in relation with drm and gem, and the GPU is screwed | 18:43 |
| Duke` | I can still switch to another tty to reboot properly | 18:43 |
| tjaalton | on lucid? | 18:44 |
| * Amaranth should figure out what pommed is doing to change his brightness | 18:57 | |
| Amaranth | Need to get that to the intel guys so they can make this all work without hacks | 18:58 |
| Sarvatt | we might even get nouveau in 2.6.33 at this rate :D | 19:04 |
| tjaalton | Sarvatt: yeah, I think Linus has a point.. | 19:16 |
| Duke` | tjaalton, no on karmic | 19:18 |
| Duke` | 64 bits | 19:18 |
| tjaalton | Duke`: so a kernel update broke it? | 19:19 |
| tjaalton | best to file it against linux | 19:20 |
| tjaalton | and mention that it's a regression | 19:20 |
| Sarvatt | he's using edgers, intel has been really unstable since the beginning of november, alot of speedup related things really destabalizing things | 19:20 |
| Sarvatt | and getting reverted | 19:20 |
| tjaalton | ok | 19:23 |
| Sarvatt | Duke`: 11-25 works for you? you dont have really bad rendering problems with it? are you on a 965+ maybe? | 19:24 |
| Duke` | Sarvatt, no problem with it (945), but just the libdrm2 and libdrm-intel! I have the latest xorg-video-intel | 19:24 |
| Sarvatt | do you see alignment errors in dmesg? | 19:25 |
| Sarvatt | ah 11-25 is the oldest libdrm you could even possibly use with the intel ddx from git | 19:26 |
| Duke` | ah | 19:27 |
| Sarvatt | what kernel are you using? | 19:27 |
| Duke` | 2.6.32 | 19:27 |
| Sarvatt | tormod: if you read the ubuntu-x log before you push some updates I updated the xserver hooks to grab the patches from people.ubuntu.com instead of my server, not sure if i'm going to renew the vps this year and it went down for a bit today | 20:36 |
| Sarvatt | oh the irony of the patch name in #xorg-devel :D | 21:06 |
| Sarvatt | only 91 more places to change 185 to 195 in debian/ for a new nvidia package now, yay | 22:29 |
| johanbr | :) | 22:31 |
| johanbr | I hope you're using sed | 22:31 |
| Sarvatt | if i did i wouldnt see all these other dependency versions that need to be bumped in control | 22:32 |
| Sarvatt | Conflicts: nvidia-glx-180 (<< 185.18.32).... | 22:32 |
| Sarvatt | 185 is called Source: nvidia-graphics-drivers-180.. so convoluted | 22:33 |
| Sarvatt | tempted to just call it nvidia-graphics-drivers-180 (185.18.36+really195.22) for the PPA to make it easy :) | 22:35 |
| Sarvatt | oh dang, nvidia-settings never even got bumped in karmic even though the xv values changed and it was screwing it up huh | 22:41 |
| johanbr | yikes... when I tried to switch to a tty, nouveau wedged the card hard enough that I had to install the blob to get back to a working state | 22:46 |
| superm1 | Sarvatt, i thought you just have to change it in one place, and it updates all the others? | 22:49 |
| superm1 | at least that's how it's supposed to work... | 22:49 |
| superm1 | I personally think that package needs some major cleanup though. | 22:49 |
| RAOF | johanbr: Sweet. Is that with or without vga16fb loaded? | 22:49 |
| johanbr | RAOF, not sure... whatever the default is, probably | 22:50 |
| johanbr | I didn't mess with any frame buffer modules myself, anyway | 22:51 |
| RAOF | johanbr: If you're using Lucid's current kernel, then it's loading vga16fb, and if that gets loaded first it makes nouveau quite unhappy. | 22:51 |
| johanbr | I am using the current Lucid kernel | 22:51 |
| Sarvatt | if i'm not misunderstanding how it builds that only works right for the same major version? (like 185.xx to 185.yy) | 22:52 |
| johanbr | but I had nouveau working well... this was in X, after having done several suspend/resume cycles | 22:52 |
| RAOF | Then vga16fb probably made nouveau quite unhappy, by writing stuff to the card behind its back. | 22:52 |
| johanbr | ahh, okay | 22:52 |
| Sarvatt | i mean its got stuff to update the dependencies in the .in's but nothing changes the names of the actual packages or anything in all these files that i can see | 22:52 |
| johanbr | so vga16fb wouldn't necessarily interfere with X operation? | 22:52 |
| RAOF | No; although it appeared to sometimes cause corrupted EXA in X for me. | 22:53 |
| johanbr | alright... I'll try blacklisting vga16fb | 22:53 |
| RAOF | Some boots it would work fine, some boots all sorts of icons would be replaced by random parts of the framebuffer. | 22:53 |
| superm1 | Sarvatt, we really should get it to the point that it doesn't need those values hardcoded in so many places | 22:53 |
| Sarvatt | someone in #ubuntu+1 last night couldn't even boot unless he disabled vga16fb on his machine.. it works ok on mine but i havent tried to vt switch yet actually | 22:54 |
| superm1 | i think it's ridiculous to have to update so much for simply a newer version | 22:54 |
| * RAOF just deleted the module. | 22:54 | |
| Sarvatt | its screwing up alot of people using sketchy PPA packages (because its so hard to update) then upgrading their ubuntu version and having it mess up too, seen a ton of bugs where thats happened and people blame ubuntu for it | 22:57 |
| superm1 | yup, i don't doubt it | 22:57 |
| RAOF | I should ask apw whether there's anything more I can usefully do to help get nouveau in lucid's kernel. Then, make nouveau magically as good a 3d driver as nvidia, then we drop the blob, and have cake! | 22:58 |
| Sarvatt | nouveau is going to cause 100x more problems than there already are, I think its crazy to switch to the headache that is nouveau just for people to install the blob personally lol | 23:00 |
| Sarvatt | only works with KMS on some generations but not others, doesnt support old nvidia, if it was me I'd rather just use vesa for the initial install until I could install the blob | 23:01 |
| Sarvatt | if it actually supported more cards than -nv maybe.. | 23:03 |
| Sarvatt | or we had gallium packaged :) | 23:03 |
| Sarvatt | is the blob packaging in git or bzr anywhere? | 23:05 |
| * Sarvatt doesn't understand the point of this debian.binary folder | 23:05 | |
| RAOF | Sarvatt: My understanding is that it _does_ support more cards than nv? Doesn't support old nvidia? You mean pre TNT2? | 23:05 |
| Sarvatt | i haven't compared the detection to nv's in 6 months or so but it didnt before, and yeah i mean those old cards and IGP's we have patched into and working -nv | 23:12 |
| RAOF | Nouveau doesn't have the same detection code; it doesn't rely on a list of PCIIDs like nv does. It's entirely possible that nouveau is significantly worse on IGPs, though; I've not had experience there, but they seem more problematic. | 23:16 |
| Sarvatt | nv doesn't either in the actual driver, thats a debian packaging thing | 23:16 |
| RAOF | Oh, that's just so X will actually load nv? | 23:17 |
| Sarvatt | yeah it has a big list of pci ids that debian/ubuntu pull the pci.ids out of but theres a further section that has entire ranges of pci ids that can be used generically based on generation and another section that looks behind an agp/pci-e bridge chip pci id that gets reported to see the actual chips id | 23:18 |
| Sarvatt | i have no idea what everythings like now though, been a long time since i looked at it. fedora has a xserver patch with all the special pci id range exceptions they do for nouveau though, would dig it up if it didnt take a year to load their cvs on an atom cpu :D | 23:24 |
| Sarvatt | hmm, guess nouveau did have some problems with vga16fb.. [ 24.304799] [drm:drm_mode_getfb] *ERROR* invalid framebuffer id and in the xorg log [ 1.476598] (WW) NOUVEAU(0): Failed to retrieve fbcon fb: id 0 | 23:29 |
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