[00:27] <T_UNIX> so... my monitor is still flickering
[00:27] <T_UNIX> any suggestions?
[00:31] <T_UNIX> is anybody working on getting fglrx back to jockey?
[00:32] <sebsebseb> got alpha 1 running in Virtualbox  from ISO at the moment the live session.  as expected like 9.10, however that's kind of interesting that Byobu is on there
[00:32] <sebsebseb> desktop version yep
[00:45] <yoasif> i have a possible bug, but i don't know where to file it
[00:45] <yoasif> basically, all of the alpha-1 cds have the same name (ubuntu, xubuntu, kubuntu), which makes it a chore to seed all of them on bittorrent (or even to store them).... any ideas where to file this?
[00:48] <yoasif> answered, thanks
[00:48] <sebsebseb> software centre woudn't open when running the Live Session  of alpha 1 from the ISO in Virtualbox.   I wonder about a virtual hard disk.   Also interesting an update installer option.
[00:49] <MTecknology> I want to start using 10.04 :(
[00:49] <yoasif> MTecknology, so do it :)
[00:49] <MTecknology> I only have one system and I don't trust it yet
[00:49] <yoasif> haha
[00:49] <yoasif> good choice
[00:49] <yoasif> try a vm
[00:49] <yoasif> :P
[00:49] <MTecknology> I've been down this road before
[00:49] <sebsebseb> MTecknology: It's very much like 9.10 at the moment,  well  stuff we see any way
[00:50] <yoasif> sebsebseb, there are definitely new bugs :p
[00:50] <yoasif> ive filed a few of em ;)
[00:50] <sebsebseb> yoasif: yep
[00:50] <MTecknology> sebsebseb: I'm pretty close to the cli so it's probably already a lot different for me
[00:50] <sebsebseb> alpha 1 has Gimp in the default install :D
[00:50] <sebsebseb> ,but that's going to get removed from the default install
[00:50] <yoasif> bah
[00:51] <yoasif> i only wish f-spot were nicer
[00:51] <yoasif> i dont mind removing the gimp
[00:51] <yoasif> but fspot still kinda sucks
[00:51] <sebsebseb> I haven't installed from ISO onto  my virtual hard disk just yet
[00:51] <sebsebseb> yoasif: fspot yeah there's another one uhmm  that's mentioned in the articles
[00:51] <sebsebseb> that's  meant to be better
[00:51] <yoasif> solang?
[00:51] <yoasif> gthumb?
[00:51] <sebsebseb> and doesn't use Mono
[00:52] <sebsebseb> yoasif: that's probably it
[00:52] <yoasif> there should just be a bug that says "ipoto, but better"
[00:52] <yoasif> same could be said of pitivi, but "imovie, but not the 3.0 series"
[00:53] <sebsebseb> It seems quite a lot of people think Ubuntu use Mono a bit to much, got to be careful with Mono really,  since it's linked to Novell and Microsoft.   However Banshee is made with it, and Banshee is a rather nice music player really.
[00:53] <yoasif> new kernel is messing up on suspend resume
[00:53] <sebsebseb> yoasif: Kino
[00:53] <yoasif> banshee is slow
[00:53] <sebsebseb> there's Kino as well
[00:54]  * maco likes amarok
[00:54] <yoasif> i use totem just because banshee has an agonizingly slow startup
[00:54] <yoasif> (when loading files from nautilus i mean)
[00:55] <sebsebseb> Mandriva One 2010  came with Kino, but also cheese hmm,  not everyone has a web cam.  Got some stuff here in Mandriva, that I didn't really want as part of my default install.  I like app choice, but  I do think it's good that Ubuntu doesn't put to much in the default install.
[00:56] <xguru> less is more :)
[00:58] <sebsebseb> However starting with 9.10 they remove most of the screensavers :(   most of those beautifuil screensavers that have come with Ubuntu since  the begining as far as I know
[01:00] <sebsebseb> xguru: less is more??
[01:00] <sebsebseb> ?
[01:02] <xguru> sebsebseb: less is more.   Ubuntu barely fits on a cd as is.  Anyone can always add to the basics.
[01:02] <sebsebseb> xguru: sure, but sometimes to add something that was there before, got to add something that isn't wanted, well when getting from repo anyway
[01:03] <sebsebseb> also I read that Kubuntu doesn't fit on a CD at the moment
[01:03] <sebsebseb> alpha 1
[01:03] <xguru> last i heard it was a bug
[01:03] <sebsebseb> Kubuntu you mean?
[01:04] <xguru> oh sorry, ubuntu
[01:04] <sebsebseb> xguru: what was a bug?
[01:05] <xguru> didn't look into it.  I just saw it on the daily build site
[01:05] <xguru> I'm actually thinking about removing gnome and installing enlightenment :)
[01:06] <sebsebseb> xguru: oh right, how come?
[01:06] <xguru> lighter than gnome, and better eye candy.
[01:09] <sebsebseb> xguru: Oh Gnome can have rather good eye candy, and by default.  9.10 to some extent yeah, but not quite :(. Mandriva One 2010 Gnome on the other hand yep :)
[01:10] <sebsebseb> of course if I want to I could theme Ubuntu and make it look rather nice indeed
[01:10] <sebsebseb> ,but I don't want to do that,  I want  good defaults
[01:10] <sebsebseb> defaults where I am rather happy, or  pretty much happy, but need to customize a little bit
[01:10] <sebsebseb> I think most users don't really want to customize as well.
[01:11] <Crashbit> One question ... actually, "xserver-xorg-core" have unmet dependencies ?
[01:17] <T_UNIX> hello again
[01:17] <T_UNIX> I solved the problem
[01:17] <sebsebseb> xguru: I hope 10.04 gets a proper nice default background,  like  8.10 had,  and even 8.04.  as well as I think it was edgy that had the tree.  9.04 default backgrounds didn't like those much.  9.10's default background is ok, but not that special, it reminds me of proprietary graphics design software and their textures.  Some sort of good looking animal background to do with the release names, would probably be pretty good for the releases.
[01:17] <T_UNIX> xorg assumes a wrong modeline
[01:18] <T_UNIX> so how can I make this modeline persistent?
[01:19] <sebsebseb> xguru: Obviously I mean Ubuntu, Kubuntu for example has it's own backgrounds.
[01:26] <zengeos> hi all
[01:27] <zengeos> before I dl ll..what specific area should I  be testing most?
[01:36] <T_UNIX> do I need to run any script after updating /etc/X11/default-display-manager ?
[01:39] <yofel> T_UNIX: nope, but stop your running display manager before that to be safe
[01:40] <knue> Hi, my cd-rom device doesn't work at the moment. anyone else having this problem?
[01:40] <T_UNIX> hm... doesn't work for me..
[01:40] <T_UNIX> thanks anyway yofel
[01:41] <yofel> T_UNIX: which one are you trying to use?
[01:42] <T_UNIX> entrance
[01:42] <yofel> never heard of it TBH
[01:42] <T_UNIX> you heard of e17?
[01:43] <yofel> ah, successor?
[01:43] <T_UNIX> noub, e17 is the wm
[01:43] <T_UNIX> entrance a desktop environment manager
[01:43] <T_UNIX> or display manager
[01:44] <T_UNIX> any suggestions on how to save a modeline setting without a xorg.conf?
[01:44] <T_UNIX> I mean a propper way
[01:44] <T_UNIX> not a script
[01:48] <RAOF> T_UNIX: Add the xrandr command to .Xsession?
[01:48] <RAOF> Or whatever file gets read on login; I forget precisely which.
[01:48] <maco> i add it to /etc/gdm/Init/Default
[01:48] <maco> so it takes effect by the time gdm loads
[01:48] <RAOF> Alternatively, add support for that to gnome-settings-daemon.
[01:49] <T_UNIX> well as written above I'd like to use entrace
[01:49] <T_UNIX> entrance
[01:49] <T_UNIX> thus I'd like the Xserver to read it
[01:49] <T_UNIX> not an application running inside X
[01:50] <maco> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Resolution
[01:50] <RAOF> Then stick it in xorg.conf?
[01:50] <maco> .xprofile it says
[01:50] <maco> ~/.xprofile has to be executable, by the way
[01:55] <T_UNIX> hm.. odd arangement
[01:55] <T_UNIX> so what executes .xprofile?
[01:56] <T_UNIX> how does the xserver know who I am until I login in entrance e.g.?
[01:56] <T_UNIX> what if I write an entire xorg.conf will it be respected by the xserver?
[01:58] <RAOF> Yes, it will be respected by the xserver
[02:00] <T_UNIX> thanks a lot :-)
[02:01] <T_UNIX> good night everybody
[02:01] <bjsnider> which driver does he want to use?
[02:01] <T_UNIX> I'm using the xserver-xorg-video-radeon driver
[02:01] <bjsnider> still trying to use radeonhd?
[02:01] <T_UNIX> noub
[02:01] <bjsnider> does radeon know how to drive the monitor to native res?
[02:02] <T_UNIX> no
[02:02] <T_UNIX> or yes
[02:02] <bjsnider> so neither of htem do
[02:02] <bjsnider> odd
[02:02] <T_UNIX> but it flickers unless you set the right modeline yourself
[02:02] <T_UNIX> that's what I did
[02:03] <bjsnider> was it ok in previous distros?
[02:03] <T_UNIX> yes
[02:03] <T_UNIX> no
[02:03] <T_UNIX> sorry
[02:03] <bjsnider> ok, so it must be part of the general x breakage right now
[02:03] <T_UNIX> I don't know
[02:03] <bjsnider> i can't get a straight answer out of you
[02:03] <T_UNIX> it's the first time I installed linux on my iMac
[02:03] <T_UNIX> so I have no comparison
[02:03] <T_UNIX> I'm sorry
[02:04] <bjsnider> well, you could grab a karmic livecd and try it out
[02:04] <T_UNIX> I'll do that, as soon as I get my hands on somebody's usbstick ;-)
[02:04] <T_UNIX> I'll let you know
[02:04] <bjsnider> it's an intel imac right?
[02:04] <T_UNIX> yes
[02:05] <bjsnider> cool
[02:05] <bjsnider> ever have any heat dissipation trouble with it?
[02:06] <T_UNIX> if this works, maybe one should take a note in a wiki for others who are getting mad at either the flickering (using radeon) or the low resolution (using vesa)
[02:06] <T_UNIX> not that I noticed
[02:06] <bjsnider> cool
[02:07] <T_UNIX> so thanks for the help
[02:07] <T_UNIX> I'll reboot and see if it works
[02:07] <T_UNIX> fingers crossed
[02:08] <bjsnider> i wonder why he picked lucid instead of karmic or hardy
[02:14] <sebsebseb> bjsnider: there's jauntey and intrepid still as well being supported,  altough Intrepid not for much longer, but lucid will be out when that runs out of support
[02:16] <sebsebseb> well this has been a bit of fun kind of virtual machining Lucid alpha 1, but...
[02:16] <bjsnider> yes but karmic being the current release and hardy the current lts, i'm assuming those would be the most logical choices
[02:17] <sebsebseb> maybe, but Jauntey is pretty good,  and so is Intrepid
[02:25] <bjsnider> jaunty
[02:35] <Zetiks> :-D
[03:01] <coz_> hey guys... i was using a export DIDSPLAY=:0.0 and sudo -u  gdm-gnome-control-center to change the gdm theme but apparently some updates have made that impossible....is there another way?
[03:06] <swoody> can anyone lend me a hand with a sound level issue in Lucid?
[03:08] <swoody> the terminal's system-bell worked fine in Karmic, but for some reason, it's extremely quiet in Lucid. I used 'alsamixer' to make sure all volumes are up. Other sounds are fine, but the system-bell is stll quite low
[03:08] <swoody> terminal-bell*
[03:13] <bjsnider> you want to talk to dtchen
[03:14] <swoody> bjsnider: oh? Is he the local sound guru?
[03:15] <bjsnider> lol
[03:15] <bjsnider> yes, he's the local sound guru
[03:15] <swoody> :)
[03:15] <DanaG> he's also a long-distance sound guru, too. =P
[03:15] <DanaG> A joke.
[03:16] <swoody> haha
[03:16] <DanaG> It's probably the pulseaudio x11-bell sound... the default sound is barely audible.
[03:17] <zengeos> I've never had good luck with pulseaudio.  I disable it if it is enabled by default instll
[03:17] <swoody> yeah, and I tried changing it from the default sound to 'Sonar' but the terminal still plays the default sound :/
[03:17] <bjsnider> DanaG, did you see those news blips on phoronix about linus politely asking why nouveau isn't being pushed intot he kernel yet?
[03:17] <DanaG> I saw it in the mailing list itself.
[03:18] <DanaG> =P
[03:18] <bjsnider> was that funny or what?
[03:18] <DanaG> It amused me, but wasn't a "haha" funny sort of thing.
[03:18] <bjsnider> linus just does not take any crap from anybody
[03:20] <IdleOne> Didn't Linus code Chuck Norris?
[03:21] <DanaG> I think it's kind of cool.
[03:21]  * IdleOne wonders
[03:21] <bjsnider> it was more funny to me because of all of the other things he's said in the past. every so often he comes out with these sorts of remarks
[03:22] <bjsnider> like that time dave airlie tried to merge something after the window had closed and linus ripped into him
[03:23] <DanaG> skynet.skynet.ie?
[03:23] <DanaG> I'm checking the opening post.
[03:23] <DanaG> Message for message-id <alpine.DEB.2.00.0912100603070.24701@skynet.skynet.ie> not found
[03:25] <dtchen> swoody: look at the libcanberra volume, i.e., Sound Preferences > Sound Effects > Alert volume
[03:26] <bjsnider> there he is!
[03:26] <dtchen> I don't have a 10.04 install locally to test, so that's about as far as I'm willing to debug
[03:27] <swoody> dtchen: yeah, it's all the way up. That's the first thing I checked :)
[03:27] <dtchen> swoody: adjust the volume
[03:27] <dtchen> there seems to be a PA issue where the softvols aren't being synced correctly
[03:28] <dtchen> (sorry, I'm referring to both the Alert and Output volumes)
[03:31] <swoody> dtchen: adjusted both of them, and then put them both back to 100% - still barely audible
[03:32] <swoody> another oddity, I changed the 'alert sound' from the default one to 'Sonar' but the terminal-bell still plays the default sound
[03:32] <dtchen> swoody: this is only alert volumes, correct? Your non-alerts are audible just fine?
[03:32] <swoody> yeah, everything else sounds just fine, just the terminal-bell (from what I've noticed)
[03:35] <swoody> just enabled 'Window and button sounds' to test them out. They're much louder than the terminal bell - seem to be normal.
[03:37] <dtchen> ok, so it isn't libcanberra. Perhaps gnome-terminal?
[03:38] <swoody> dtchen: could be... would trying out a different terminal test that?
[03:40] <dtchen> perhaps xkbbell
[03:41] <dtchen> just to verify, if you repeat an action that causes a repeat of the terminal bell, does the application appear in the Applications tab of gnome volume control?
[03:43] <bjsnider> what happened to the "system sounds" slider that used to be on the "applications" tab in pavucontrol? it wasn't brough over to the new tray app?
[03:44] <swoody> dtchen: nope, nothing for the terminal. Firefox, etc. still showup as normal.
[03:46] <dtchen> swoody: can you reproduce the symptom with a new user?
[03:46] <swoody> dtchen: will try, brb
[03:53] <swoody> dtchen: same issue with clean (new) account
[03:56] <dtchen> swoody: can you pastebin "amixer" output, please?
[03:57] <swoody> dtchen: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/339065/
[03:58] <swoody> dtchen: also, in Lucid 'Digital' seems to be a new entry in 'alsamixer', although I turned it up to 100%, too
[03:59] <swoody> not sure if that's of any relevance
[03:59] <dtchen> that's your digital mic
[03:59] <dtchen> so no, it has nothing to do with playback :-)
[03:59] <swoody> gotcha :)
[04:00] <dtchen> does toggling the terminal_bell (i.e., disabling, testing then reenabling) do anything?
[04:01] <swoody> I closed and reopened the terminal before, but didn't try unselecting it... one sec...
[04:04] <dtchen> (back in ~25 mins)
[04:05] <swoody> dtchen: still no luck, but will talk to you when you get back :)
[04:08] <td123> If I installed 10.04 from a 9.10 install (changing the repos), can I just upgrade everything and it will be the same thing as installing from 10.04 alpha 1?
[04:08] <akioghoster> alpha 1, since when?
[04:09]  * akioghoster is upgrading now
[04:09] <td123> akioghoster: http://distrowatch.com/?newsid=05813
[04:09] <bjsnider> td123, it doesn't always go that smoothly. there's plenty the slip twixt the cup and the lip if you know what i mean
[04:09] <bjsnider> but theoretically yes
[04:10] <td123> bjsnider: k, then I'll cross my theoretical fingers :P
[04:10] <akioghoster> hal removal
[04:10] <akioghoster> eek
[04:10] <bjsnider> i crossed my theoretical fingers one time. never saw them again...
[04:10] <virtuald> screen is broken, it can't resize
[04:11] <akioghoster> gnu screen?
[04:11] <virtuald> yes
[04:11] <akioghoster> wow
[04:11] <td123> that sucks
[04:11] <virtuald> ^A F does nothing
[04:11] <virtuald> and it doesn't autoresize
[04:11] <bjsnider> virtuald, using ati hardware
[04:11] <td123> although I have 10.04 in a vm, so I don't really bother with screen in it :D
[04:11] <virtuald> yes
[04:12] <bjsnider> someone else has been complaining about that. which chip?
[04:12] <virtuald> oh it did when i changed the window size but not when i resumed screen
[04:12] <td123> here's an article describing a bad start for ubuntu 10.04 http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ubuntu_1004_alpha1&num=1
[04:12] <td123> interesting read
[04:12] <virtuald> :)
[04:15] <virtuald> actually lucid feels snappier for me, but i did change some stuff
[04:16] <akioghoster> its too early to bencj
[04:16] <akioghoster> bench
[04:16] <akioghoster> things are still in debuf
[04:16]  * akioghoster is typing in the dark
[04:17] <virtuald> like setting vm.overcommit_memory=2
[04:27] <td123> awesome! the only thing that broke with the update was sound (with I don't need in the vm anyways) :D
[04:27] <virtuald> <:
[04:31] <DanaG> hmm, bell... something to try: change the 'bell' sound in default.pa
[04:33] <virtuald> danag: is that the annoying sound you here all the time?
[04:34] <DanaG> nope, the bell sound is a nice little "bump" sound.
[04:34] <DanaG> The annoying one is the gtk "pyuuuu" sound.
[04:35] <DanaG> hmm, I wish PulseAudio's upmix algorithm was as cool as the WinVista and Win7 "Speaker Fill".
[04:37] <dtchen> you could just chain it to alsa-lib's upmix
[04:37] <dtchen> I guess I should just backport that to Debian unstable and then merge it into Ubuntu Lucid
[04:38] <swoody> dtchen: so I rebooted, and now the terminal-bell isn't working at all :/
[04:38] <DanaG> The Speaker Fill seems especially fancy: it takes voices and puts them on center, and then makes the rears be only accompaniment.
[04:38] <DanaG> Even left-only or right-only voices somehow stay out of rears.
[04:40] <DanaG> It's like magic.  Probably patented?
[04:41] <DanaG> Well, "like magic" is a joke... it's probably something like: take average of left and right; stick that on center.  then subtract that from left and right, and put on corresponding rear.
[04:41] <bjsnider> i thought that was already planned for pulse
[04:41] <bjsnider> i seem to remember reading something lennart wrote about spatial sound events
[04:42] <DanaG> Sound events is something different.
[04:47] <dtchen> swoody: what's the value of terminal_bell?
[04:50] <genii> ascii value 7 ?
[04:50] <swoody> dtchen: is that in a conf file or something?
[04:51] <dtchen> swoody: in gconf
[04:52] <swoody> dtchen: gconf-editor says "pattern not found" is there another way to check it?
[04:59] <dtchen> swoody: gconftool -g /desktop/gnome/peripherals/keyboard/bell_mode
[05:00] <swoody> dtchen: set to 'off'
[05:00] <dtchen> well, that's one culprit
[05:03] <swoody> dtchen: ok set to 'custom' gives me no bell, but set to 'on' brings back the default bell again, and it's still quiet
[05:03] <dtchen> yeah, I can reproduce it here in Karmic
[05:03] <dtchen> let me dig
[05:14] <dtchen> (sorry, need to be clear: I can reproduce it using the PPA based in Karmic)
[05:15] <swoody> gotcha :)
[05:36] <dtchen> nice, froze my machine & found a bug in snd-timer
[05:36] <dtchen> anyhoo
[05:45] <dtchen> swoody: can you verify using a live cd of 9.10 and reenable bell_mode that the volume is "correctly loud"?
[05:45] <dtchen> swoody: then, can you verify using a live cd of 10.04 alpha 1 and reenable bell_mode that the volume is "incorrectly soft"?
[05:45] <swoody> dtchen: well, I could give it a shot, but it was working fine up until last night when I upgraded to Lucid
[05:46] <swoody> might take me 1.5 hr to download 10.04
[05:46] <dtchen> ok, so that would be libcanberra and pulseaudio
[05:46] <dtchen> no need, then; I think I have enough to chase it down
[05:46] <dtchen> please file a bug; ubuntu-bug pulseaudio
[05:46] <swoody> sure thing :)
[05:47] <dtchen> I'm pretty sure it's actually PA
[05:47] <dtchen> since I'm using 0.9.21 and Karmic's libcanberra and can reproduce it
[05:56] <swoody> dtchen: well thanks for the help :)
[05:57] <dtchen> np
[05:57] <swoody> dtchen: I filed a report, it's: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/495346
[05:57] <dtchen> thanks
[05:57] <swoody> np at all :)
[05:58] <swoody> feel free to add-in anything I may have missed, or left out
[08:44] <DanaG> yargh, kwin won't use compositing. weird.
[08:51] <DanaG> http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=111&t=63748
[11:00] <i_is_broke> which is better for testing, dist-upgrade or just a full install of alpha1?
[11:01] <hifi> do-release-upgrade
[11:02] <i_is_broke> it really dont matter to me, as its running on its on box as it is. that way if it crashes i dont lose anything.
[11:16] <i_is_broke> did do-release-upgrade, it said no new upgrade so am just doing a update
[11:28] <AlanBell> I am having some missing files in the .jigdo download
[11:28] <AlanBell> first I tried the oxford.ac.uk mirror then archive.ubuntu.com
[11:28] <AlanBell> 404 from both on 18 files
[11:29] <jpds> Which files?
[11:29] <AlanBell> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/u/ubuntu-meta/ubuntu-minimal_1.178_i386.deb
[11:29] <AlanBell> for example
[11:32] <jpds> AlanBell: For lucid? Looks like there's a 1.180.
[11:35] <AlanBell> it is 178 in http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/lucid-alternate-i386.jigdo
[11:37] <jpds> AlanBell: 1.180 was uploaded 5 hours and 30 minutes ago, that file was Last-Modified: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 12:17:24 GMT.
[11:40] <AlanBell> ok, so where do I go from here?
[11:40] <AlanBell> if that is a daily jigdo it should be more recent than that should it not?
[11:54] <popey> i_is_broke: if you want to go to lucid, you need do-release-upgrade -d
[11:55] <coz_> can the nvidia driver now be installed?
[11:55] <oldude67> popey, been running lucid updates now for a while.
[11:56] <popey> oldude67: I'm happy for you, but I was answering a question from i_is_broke
[11:56] <i_is_broke> same person sorry i was on the other machine.
[11:56] <popey> ah
[11:57] <i_is_broke> and it also said no new upgrade.
[11:57] <popey> that sounds good
[11:57] <popey> do-release-upgrade is used for going from one release to another
[11:57] <popey> not for updating within a release
[11:57] <popey> thats what update-manager and "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" are for
[11:58] <i_is_broke> popey, thanks ill keep that in mind...actually ill write that down.
[13:32] <BUGabundo_work> guys we need testers for chromium beta
[13:32] <BUGabundo_work> https://edge.launchpad.net/~chromium-daily/+archive/beta
[13:32] <BUGabundo_work> any one wants to join ?
[13:41] <desu> BUGabundo_work: yep
[13:43] <BUGabundo_work> desu: thanks
[13:43] <BUGabundo_work> report any probs u find at #ubuntu-mozillateam
[13:43] <BUGabundo_work> also read the PPA notice, please
[13:44]  * David-T wonders why no one else seems to be getting bitten by bug #493772
[13:45] <David-T> does no one else boot from mdadm?
[13:45] <David-T> s/from/using/
[13:48] <popey> yes
[13:48] <popey> not on lucid though
[13:53] <bsnider_> i'm using chrome beta...does that count?
[13:53] <IdleOne> BUGabundo_work: testing for +1 Chromium?
[13:53] <BUGabundo_work> bsnider_: no
[13:53] <BUGabundo_work> IdleOne: on all releases
[13:53] <bsnider_> uhhhhh
[13:53] <bsnider_> ok
[13:53] <IdleOne> BUGabundo_work: already using the daily-builds here
[13:53] <BUGabundo_work> bsnider_: thats Google build (afaik for 8.04)
[13:53] <IdleOne> on karmic
[13:54] <IdleOne> also using Chrome
[13:54] <BUGabundo_work> chromium is build by community (in this case fta) for all releases we have
[13:54] <IdleOne> prefering Chrome right now
[13:54] <BUGabundo_work> IdleOne: i'm too
[13:54] <BUGabundo_work> but we need more testers on Beta build
[13:54] <BUGabundo_work> before go public with it
[13:54] <IdleOne> BUGabundo_work: well if I come up with any bugs i'll report :)
[13:55] <BUGabundo_work> IdleOne: chrome and chromium should be very similar
[13:56] <IdleOne> BUGabundo_work: all I see different is the logo to be honest
[13:56] <IdleOne> but Chrome does load faster
[13:56] <BUGabundo_work> does it?
[13:56] <BUGabundo_work> chromium is almost instant here
[13:56] <IdleOne> I get the opposite
[13:57] <BUGabundo_work> really ?
[13:57] <IdleOne> Chrome is 1 second, Chromium 4-5 seconds to load
[13:57] <BUGabundo_work> is it slow?
[13:57] <BUGabundo_work> both my 64bits machine
[13:57] <BUGabundo_work> chromium is very very fast
[13:57] <IdleOne> on 32 bit here
[13:57] <BUGabundo_work> cant even compare to FF
[13:57] <IdleOne> what's FF? lol
[13:57] <BUGabundo_work> FireFox
[13:57] <IdleOne> oh that old browser that people used to use
[13:57] <BUGabundo_work> i'm using 3.7
[13:58] <BUGabundo_work> Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.3a1pre) Gecko/20091209 Ubuntu/8.04 (hardy) Minefield/3.7a1pre ID:20091209212253
[13:58] <IdleOne> BUGabundo_work: I was being sarcastic :)
[13:58] <BUGabundo_work> on debian unstable :DD
[13:58] <BUGabundo_work> i got it
[13:58] <BUGabundo_work> .... later
[13:59] <bsnider_> i'd do it but i don't want to install a new version every day
[13:59] <bsnider_> it's an outrage
[14:00] <IdleOne> bsnider_: using the PPA is just an apt-get upgrade
[14:00] <BUGabundo_work> beta doesnt have daily builds
[14:00] <BUGabundo_work> IdleOne: [13:59] <fta> strange, did he try with an empty profile / cache for both?
[14:00] <IdleOne> I did not
[14:00] <IdleOne> will try
[14:02] <bsnider_> it doesn't have daily builds? the name of the ppa is Ubuntu Chromium Daily Builds
[14:02] <bsnider_> and the last build was 17 hours ago
[14:02] <bsnider_> it ooks daily to me here
[14:05] <BUGabundo_work> bsnider_: not beta ppa
[14:05] <BUGabundo_work> beta != daily
[14:06] <BUGabundo_work> [14:01] <fta> BUGabundo_work, at least, chromium doesn't have that http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Chrome#Usage_tracking [14:01] <fta> the RLZ and clientid part [14:01] <fta> and who know what else chrome also adds
[14:06] <BUGabundo_work> [14:02] <fta> it's not just a branded chromium with a shiny icon
[14:07] <AlanBell> anyone know who to poke about the jigdo daily build?
[14:09] <BUGabundo_work> AlanBell: use zsync instead, please
[14:10]  * BUGabundo_work pins ia to the #
[14:12] <AlanBell> BUGabundo_work: do you think I could use zsync to finish off a nearly complete jigdo iso?
[14:18] <BUGabundo_work> AlanBell: no idea
[14:18] <BUGabundo_work> make a copy and try
[14:18] <BUGabundo_work> i'm sure rsync would work
[14:18] <AlanBell> good suggestion
[14:18] <BUGabundo_work> but not sure on zsync
[14:19] <AlanBell> I will let you know how it goes
[14:19] <BUGabundo_work> AlanBell: check my ancient script https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BUGabundo/ISORsync
[14:19] <BUGabundo_work> dont use that anymore, should even update it
[14:20] <BUGabundo_work> tooooo lazy for it  :8
[14:20] <BUGabundo_work> but sync -vhP --stats rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/daily-live/current/ should still work
[14:20] <BUGabundo_work> *if* image server didnt change address
[14:21] <BUGabundo_work> which i think was planed to
[14:21] <Daviey> erm, the rsync address did change
[14:22] <Daviey> or at elast i thought it did
[14:22] <BUGabundo_work> i read an email on it Daviey
[14:22] <BUGabundo_work> but last time i used it , it still worked
[14:22] <BUGabundo_work> something like rsync.cdimage.ubuntu.com/
[14:23] <Daviey> rsync.releases.ubuntu.com yeah, but it *should* be faster
[14:24] <Daviey> ohh.. might not have daily
[14:24] <BUGabundo_work> lol
[14:24] <Daviey> nope
[15:47] <BUGabundo_work> ohhh there goes sarvatt
[15:49] <sal_> hey.  i've got the alpha installed and running no problem, all's well so far.  new to testing.  wonder how to help
[15:49] <sal_> ?
[15:53] <BUGabundo_work> hi sal_
[15:53] <BUGabundo_work> welcome
[15:53] <BUGabundo_work> hang around, punch lp for bugs
[15:53] <BUGabundo_work> take a quick look at the foruns
[15:53] <BUGabundo_work> read technical overview wiki
[15:54] <BUGabundo_work> and avoid distupgrades or update-manager partial updates
[15:54] <BUGabundo_work> u should be fine
[15:54] <BUGabundo_work> *but*
[15:54] <BUGabundo_work> expect it  to break when ever u most need it working :)
[15:54] <BUGabundo_work> and have current (and tested) backups of your system/data
[15:54] <sal_> thx.  i have it set on it's own partition on a second machine
[15:55] <sal_> just waiting for april, but the bug got me early this time
[15:55] <BUGabundo_work> ehe
[15:55] <BUGabundo_work> i started on day one
[15:55] <BUGabundo_work> u will get there, some day :)
[15:55] <sal_> i've read much around the forums and wiki to learn the testing process
[15:56] <BUGabundo_work> oh and when april comes and everyone saying: "woooooo new stuff"
[15:56] <BUGabundo_work> u will be saying: bah old stuff.. be using that for 4 months
[15:56] <BUGabundo_work> lo
[15:56] <BUGabundo_work> lol
[15:56] <sal_> indeed
[15:57] <sal_> is there any kind of testing report i can file?
[15:57] <sal_> or just use it normally and report bugs
[15:57] <sal_> i read about a manual partition bug, but i sailed through it no problem
[15:59] <sal_> how-to make system backups?
[16:03] <AlanBell> jigdo then zsync works *really* well
[16:03] <AlanBell> Target 99.3% complete
[16:04] <AlanBell> and now done
[16:04] <yofel> sal_: if you have another system installed then just make a backup of the whole system partition with dd
[16:04] <BUGabundo_work> cool AlanBell
[16:04] <yofel> sal_: if not, there are several other ways, like rsync or backup apps
[16:05] <BUGabundo_work> yofel: sal_ clonezilla should be a better full system backup option
[16:05] <BUGabundo_work> sal_: to report bugs prefered way is $ ubuntu-bug PACKAGE
[16:05] <BUGabundo_work> sal_: dpkg -l (or dselect) are your friend when exporting list of installed apps
[16:05] <yofel> never tried it, lemme check out the website...
[16:06]  * BUGabundo_work mental note: run that on my new system latter tonigh
[16:06] <yofel> dpkg -S when trying to find out what package a file belongs to
[16:06] <BUGabundo_work> yofel: clozilla?? really?
[16:06] <BUGabundo_work> yesh -S very usefull
[16:06] <yofel> BUGabundo_work: nope, rsync is enough for me so far ^^
[16:07] <yofel> clonezilla sounds interesting though
[16:08] <yofel> oh, and debsums to check if files are corrupt
[16:08] <yofel> (or missing)
[16:10] <sal_> BUGabundo_ yofel  thanks, i'll check that
[16:11] <sal_> yofel "dd"?
[16:12] <yofel> sal_: check 'man dd', for backups to something like: dd if=/dev/sdb1 of=sdb1.bak and you'll have a backup of the partition including file system etc...
[16:13] <yofel> nice if you want to make duplicates of flash drives :D
[16:14] <BUGabundo_work> yofel: of course power users can use *any* of it utils in standalone
[16:14] <BUGabundo_work> like partimage
[16:14] <BUGabundo_work> or dd
[16:14] <BUGabundo_work> yofel: well no, dd is more like *block* level, not files
[16:15] <BUGabundo_work> it will even "copy" empty space
[16:15] <yofel> BUGabundo_work: true
[16:37] <SuperLag> Any of you guys using Lucid in a VMWare VM?
[16:38] <BUGabundo_work> SuperLag: nope
[16:38] <BUGabundo_work> real HW
[16:38] <SuperLag> I don't have the hardware to spare, so I virtualize it.
[17:29] <BUGabundo_work> douglasawh-work: pign
[17:29] <BUGabundo_work> *ping that is
[18:16] <sebsebseb> hi
[19:00] <funkyHat> hum... I've got a conflict between gdm and usplash... should I remove usplash?
[19:19] <yofel> funkyHat: yes, usplash is to be removed, plymouth will be used in the future
[19:20] <funkyHat> Thanks yofel ⡈)
[20:14] <soee> does kubuntu 9.10 worls fine with nvidia 190.42  drivers ?
[20:15] <bsnider_> this channel is for lucid, not karmic
[21:04] <Guest14871> dist-upgrade wants to remove usplash ... should i allow this?
[21:06]  * BluesKaj wonders if the graphics probs with X and nvidia drivers have been attended to  :P
[21:09] <yofel> Guest14871: yes, that's fine, it's being replaced with plymouth
[21:09] <yofel> BluesKaj: which ones?
[21:10] <Guest14871> ok, wanted to make sure. so far lucid is working great on my dell inspiron laptop
[21:10] <BluesKaj> glx-185 , yofel
[21:10] <yofel> hm, dunno, I use 195 from ppa
[21:10] <sebsebseb> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2009/12/lucid-to-get-aero-style-rgba.html
[21:11] <BluesKaj> yofel, I made the mistake of using the reommended which is the nvidia-glx-185 version, couldn't get X back
[21:12] <yofel> o.O
[21:12] <BluesKaj> yofel, which card  ? I have the 7600GT
[21:12] <yofel> notebook, nvidia Quadro NVS 140M
[21:13] <yofel> my desktop with an 7300GT still runs karmic
[21:15] <BluesKaj> yeah, I'm staying with karmic for a while
[21:16] <yofel> the most annoying thing for me right now is that kde forgets to redraw the screen right after hiiding a notification. A part of the bubble remains :/
[21:16] <BluesKaj> using 195 on your desktop , yofel ?
[21:17] <JontheEchidna> yofel: that's a longstanding X issue, nothing KDE can do about it unfortunately :(
[21:17] <yofel> BluesKaj: nope, notebook: 195, desktop: 190
[21:17] <yofel> JontheEchidna: ah ok, but I didn't notice it in kde 4.3
[21:18] <yofel> hey DanaG
[21:18] <JontheEchidna> yofel: oh, I just realized I may have also seen what you are talking about, and that it may be different than what I was first thinking of
[21:18] <DanaG> yo.
[21:18] <BluesKaj> yofel, got a ppa for the 190 ?
[21:19] <JontheEchidna> yofel: At first thinking of when you get a tooltip or notification and a hole appears in a window
[21:20] <DanaG> I keep getting plasma segfaulting.  Way too often.
[21:20] <JontheEchidna> but now I remember that there has been a few times of there being a black section where the notification was
[21:20] <yofel> JontheEchidna: exactly
[21:20] <JontheEchidna> worth a bug report at bugs.kde.org I suppose
[21:20] <yofel> DanaG: I only get kwin crashes when I expand the systray for the first time
[21:21] <DanaG> oh, and kwin doesn't let me use compositing.
[21:21] <bsnider_> BluesKaj, the nvidia vdpau ppa has the 190 for lucid
[21:21] <DanaG> It claims to be on... yet it's very clearly not.
[21:21] <JontheEchidna> DanaG: I think that kwin issue was a known issue for beta1, that should be resolved in beta2
[21:21] <yofel> BluesKaj: https://edge.launchpad.net/~sevenmachines/+archive/nvidia
[21:21] <JontheEchidna> I recall something about compositing not working on some cards in the release notes
[21:22] <DanaG> oh, and kde4-window-decorator doesn't like kde 4.4.
[21:22] <BluesKaj> bsnider_, I'm staying with karmic til the X/nvidia prob is worked out
[21:23] <JontheEchidna> "Known bugs at the time of release include KOrganizer not starting up and compositing support in the window manager being disabled on some hardware. The KDE team is looking into those problems and expects to have them fixed shortly."
[21:23] <JontheEchidna> http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.4-beta1.php
[21:23] <DanaG> yup.
[21:24] <JontheEchidna> well, it's definitely beta
[21:25] <bsnider_> BluesKaj, you mean you couldn't get x back in karmic?
[21:25] <BluesKaj> thanks yofel
[21:26] <yofel> the nvidia vdpau ppa had 190 too, but that doesn't/didn't work with the new X in lucid
[21:26] <BluesKaj> bsnider_, no, in lucid , had to do a recovery install
[21:26] <BluesKaj> of karmic
[21:27] <bsnider_> well, i've got the 190 in there for karmic and the other distros too
[21:27] <bsnider_> the 185 had a few problems here and there, and the 195 is beta
[21:28] <bsnider_> the 190 has a bug with sound going over hdmi, if you do that sort of thing though
[21:28] <BluesKaj> I was able to get to the TTY , on lucid but it kept looking for X in usr/bin ..what's up with that ? :P
[21:31] <BluesKaj> BBL
[22:05] <CosmiChaos> Anyone managed to install 195.22 nvidia beta driver on lucid??
[22:06] <CosmiChaos> it forcec me to low grafic mode
[22:06] <yofel> CosmiChaos: I got it from a ppa and it works fine
[22:06] <yofel> nvidia Quadro NVS 140M
[22:06] <CosmiChaos> can you please tell me where to find that ppa?
[22:07] <yofel> https://edge.launchpad.net/~sevenmachines/+archive/nvidia
[22:08] <CosmiChaos> yofel, awsome thanks, i was always install via console
[22:09] <CosmiChaos> another thing, now udev and usplash arre gone, when it fails booting and it comes to show console, i have strange video output, cant read anything. everythings quessed onto the top multiple times
[22:09] <CosmiChaos> guess it has something todo with framebuffer
[22:10] <yofel> CosmiChaos: maybe disable splash?
[22:11] <CosmiChaos> no console too is wrong
[22:11] <CosmiChaos> i tried startupmanager and redefined resolution to 800x600 but still
[22:11] <CosmiChaos> when i boot 2.6.31 everything is fine
[22:11] <bjsnider> these complaints should be going to nvidia
[22:12] <CosmiChaos> but with 2.6.32 all video output is screwed
[22:12] <CosmiChaos> hmm
[22:12] <CosmiChaos> well ill reboot now with the 195er installed cya
[22:12] <bjsnider> go to the nvforums and report it
[22:12] <DanaG> hmm, could this be another case of vga16fb breaking things?
[22:13] <DanaG> Happens for me with fglrx, too... it turns the consoles to garbage even BEFORE xorg starts.
[22:15] <CosmiChaos> works nicely
[23:01] <yoasif> hey guys, i have a weird gnome-panel bug that only happens in my user profile -- if i click on the menu, it segfaults, also if i do alt-f2, it segfaults. in a new user profile, i see none of these issues -- what is the easiest way to remove the settings for the panel but keep the layout?
[23:03] <DanaG> ARGH.
[23:03] <DanaG> Stupid update-grub.
[23:03] <DanaG> Just sits there, doing nothing.
[23:03] <DanaG> Nothing at all.
[23:03] <yofel> o.O
[23:03] <DanaG> oh wait, now it did something... like 30 seconds later after no feedback.
[23:03] <yofel> what if you run 'sudo grub-mkconfig' ?
[23:03] <DanaG> Same result.
[23:03] <yofel> yeah, but where does it hang?
[23:04] <DanaG> sudo update-grub
[23:04] <yofel> grub-mkconfig will telll you what it dooes
[23:04] <DanaG> password: [I enter password}
[23:04] <DanaG> <hang for 30 seconds>
[23:04] <yofel> o.O
[23:04] <DanaG> It turned out it was grub-probe being sucky and slow.
[23:04] <yofel> ok, dunno how the pw verification works
[23:04] <DanaG> It later gave me "generating grub.cfg".
[23:04] <yofel> ah
[23:05] <DanaG> oh, and plymouth kills the kernel so badly, even the heartbeat LED stops.
[23:05] <DanaG> now to try plymouth again, with uvesafb.
[23:06] <DanaG> After I tell vga16fb to go DIAF.
[23:06] <DanaG> yay, didn't hard-lock this time.
[23:06] <DanaG> But, it's entirely black.  Nice theme there, guys. =þ
[23:08] <DanaG> yeah, you fail, Plymouth.
[23:09] <DanaG> www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/plymouth.log
[23:10] <DanaG> gotta' go for now.
[23:11] <SmittyJensen> hello
[23:11] <SmittyJensen> is anyone's menu getting messed up (not showing entries)
[23:12] <yofel> SmittyJensen: gnome, kde, xfce, ...?
[23:12] <SmittyJensen> gnome
[23:51] <i_is_broke> ok, havent been here all day whats broken now?