=== yoasif_ is now known as yoasif [00:27] so... my monitor is still flickering [00:27] any suggestions? [00:31] is anybody working on getting fglrx back to jockey? [00:32] got alpha 1 running in Virtualbox from ISO at the moment the live session. as expected like 9.10, however that's kind of interesting that Byobu is on there [00:32] desktop version yep [00:45] i have a possible bug, but i don't know where to file it [00:45] basically, all of the alpha-1 cds have the same name (ubuntu, xubuntu, kubuntu), which makes it a chore to seed all of them on bittorrent (or even to store them).... any ideas where to file this? [00:48] answered, thanks [00:48] software centre woudn't open when running the Live Session of alpha 1 from the ISO in Virtualbox. I wonder about a virtual hard disk. Also interesting an update installer option. [00:49] I want to start using 10.04 :( [00:49] MTecknology, so do it :) [00:49] I only have one system and I don't trust it yet [00:49] haha [00:49] good choice [00:49] try a vm [00:49] :P [00:49] I've been down this road before [00:49] MTecknology: It's very much like 9.10 at the moment, well stuff we see any way [00:50] sebsebseb, there are definitely new bugs :p [00:50] ive filed a few of em ;) [00:50] yoasif: yep [00:50] sebsebseb: I'm pretty close to the cli so it's probably already a lot different for me [00:50] alpha 1 has Gimp in the default install :D [00:50] ,but that's going to get removed from the default install [00:50] bah [00:51] i only wish f-spot were nicer [00:51] i dont mind removing the gimp [00:51] but fspot still kinda sucks [00:51] I haven't installed from ISO onto my virtual hard disk just yet [00:51] yoasif: fspot yeah there's another one uhmm that's mentioned in the articles [00:51] that's meant to be better [00:51] solang? [00:51] gthumb? [00:51] and doesn't use Mono [00:52] yoasif: that's probably it [00:52] there should just be a bug that says "ipoto, but better" [00:52] same could be said of pitivi, but "imovie, but not the 3.0 series" [00:53] It seems quite a lot of people think Ubuntu use Mono a bit to much, got to be careful with Mono really, since it's linked to Novell and Microsoft. However Banshee is made with it, and Banshee is a rather nice music player really. [00:53] new kernel is messing up on suspend resume [00:53] yoasif: Kino [00:53] banshee is slow [00:53] there's Kino as well [00:54] * maco likes amarok [00:54] i use totem just because banshee has an agonizingly slow startup [00:54] (when loading files from nautilus i mean) [00:55] Mandriva One 2010 came with Kino, but also cheese hmm, not everyone has a web cam. Got some stuff here in Mandriva, that I didn't really want as part of my default install. I like app choice, but I do think it's good that Ubuntu doesn't put to much in the default install. [00:56] less is more :) [00:58] However starting with 9.10 they remove most of the screensavers :( most of those beautifuil screensavers that have come with Ubuntu since the begining as far as I know [01:00] xguru: less is more?? [01:00] ? [01:02] sebsebseb: less is more. Ubuntu barely fits on a cd as is. Anyone can always add to the basics. [01:02] xguru: sure, but sometimes to add something that was there before, got to add something that isn't wanted, well when getting from repo anyway [01:03] also I read that Kubuntu doesn't fit on a CD at the moment [01:03] alpha 1 [01:03] last i heard it was a bug [01:03] Kubuntu you mean? [01:04] oh sorry, ubuntu [01:04] xguru: what was a bug? [01:05] didn't look into it. I just saw it on the daily build site [01:05] I'm actually thinking about removing gnome and installing enlightenment :) [01:06] xguru: oh right, how come? [01:06] lighter than gnome, and better eye candy. [01:09] xguru: Oh Gnome can have rather good eye candy, and by default. 9.10 to some extent yeah, but not quite :(. Mandriva One 2010 Gnome on the other hand yep :) [01:10] of course if I want to I could theme Ubuntu and make it look rather nice indeed [01:10] ,but I don't want to do that, I want good defaults [01:10] defaults where I am rather happy, or pretty much happy, but need to customize a little bit [01:10] I think most users don't really want to customize as well. [01:11] One question ... actually, "xserver-xorg-core" have unmet dependencies ? [01:17] hello again [01:17] I solved the problem [01:17] xguru: I hope 10.04 gets a proper nice default background, like 8.10 had, and even 8.04. as well as I think it was edgy that had the tree. 9.04 default backgrounds didn't like those much. 9.10's default background is ok, but not that special, it reminds me of proprietary graphics design software and their textures. Some sort of good looking animal background to do with the release names, would probably be pretty good for the releases. [01:17] xorg assumes a wrong modeline [01:18] so how can I make this modeline persistent? [01:19] xguru: Obviously I mean Ubuntu, Kubuntu for example has it's own backgrounds. [01:26] hi all [01:27] before I dl ll..what specific area should I be testing most? [01:36] do I need to run any script after updating /etc/X11/default-display-manager ? [01:39] T_UNIX: nope, but stop your running display manager before that to be safe [01:40] Hi, my cd-rom device doesn't work at the moment. anyone else having this problem? [01:40] hm... doesn't work for me.. [01:40] thanks anyway yofel [01:41] T_UNIX: which one are you trying to use? [01:42] entrance [01:42] never heard of it TBH [01:42] you heard of e17? [01:43] ah, successor? [01:43] noub, e17 is the wm [01:43] entrance a desktop environment manager [01:43] or display manager [01:44] any suggestions on how to save a modeline setting without a xorg.conf? [01:44] I mean a propper way [01:44] not a script [01:48] T_UNIX: Add the xrandr command to .Xsession? [01:48] Or whatever file gets read on login; I forget precisely which. [01:48] i add it to /etc/gdm/Init/Default [01:48] so it takes effect by the time gdm loads [01:48] Alternatively, add support for that to gnome-settings-daemon. [01:49] well as written above I'd like to use entrace [01:49] entrance [01:49] thus I'd like the Xserver to read it [01:49] not an application running inside X [01:50] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Resolution [01:50] Then stick it in xorg.conf? [01:50] .xprofile it says [01:50] ~/.xprofile has to be executable, by the way [01:55] hm.. odd arangement [01:55] so what executes .xprofile? [01:56] how does the xserver know who I am until I login in entrance e.g.? [01:56] what if I write an entire xorg.conf will it be respected by the xserver? [01:58] Yes, it will be respected by the xserver [02:00] thanks a lot :-) [02:01] good night everybody [02:01] which driver does he want to use? [02:01] I'm using the xserver-xorg-video-radeon driver [02:01] still trying to use radeonhd? [02:01] noub [02:01] does radeon know how to drive the monitor to native res? [02:02] no [02:02] or yes [02:02] so neither of htem do [02:02] odd [02:02] but it flickers unless you set the right modeline yourself [02:02] that's what I did [02:03] was it ok in previous distros? [02:03] yes [02:03] no [02:03] sorry [02:03] ok, so it must be part of the general x breakage right now [02:03] I don't know [02:03] i can't get a straight answer out of you [02:03] it's the first time I installed linux on my iMac [02:03] so I have no comparison [02:03] I'm sorry [02:04] well, you could grab a karmic livecd and try it out [02:04] I'll do that, as soon as I get my hands on somebody's usbstick ;-) [02:04] I'll let you know [02:04] it's an intel imac right? [02:04] yes [02:05] cool [02:05] ever have any heat dissipation trouble with it? [02:06] if this works, maybe one should take a note in a wiki for others who are getting mad at either the flickering (using radeon) or the low resolution (using vesa) [02:06] not that I noticed [02:06] cool [02:07] so thanks for the help [02:07] I'll reboot and see if it works [02:07] fingers crossed [02:08] i wonder why he picked lucid instead of karmic or hardy [02:14] bjsnider: there's jauntey and intrepid still as well being supported, altough Intrepid not for much longer, but lucid will be out when that runs out of support [02:16] well this has been a bit of fun kind of virtual machining Lucid alpha 1, but... [02:16] yes but karmic being the current release and hardy the current lts, i'm assuming those would be the most logical choices [02:17] maybe, but Jauntey is pretty good, and so is Intrepid [02:25] jaunty [02:35] :-D === melik_ is now known as melik [03:01] hey guys... i was using a export DIDSPLAY=:0.0 and sudo -u gdm-gnome-control-center to change the gdm theme but apparently some updates have made that impossible....is there another way? [03:06] can anyone lend me a hand with a sound level issue in Lucid? [03:08] the terminal's system-bell worked fine in Karmic, but for some reason, it's extremely quiet in Lucid. I used 'alsamixer' to make sure all volumes are up. Other sounds are fine, but the system-bell is stll quite low [03:08] terminal-bell* [03:13] you want to talk to dtchen [03:14] bjsnider: oh? Is he the local sound guru? [03:15] lol [03:15] yes, he's the local sound guru [03:15] :) [03:15] he's also a long-distance sound guru, too. =P [03:15] A joke. [03:16] haha [03:16] It's probably the pulseaudio x11-bell sound... the default sound is barely audible. [03:17] I've never had good luck with pulseaudio. I disable it if it is enabled by default instll [03:17] yeah, and I tried changing it from the default sound to 'Sonar' but the terminal still plays the default sound :/ [03:17] DanaG, did you see those news blips on phoronix about linus politely asking why nouveau isn't being pushed intot he kernel yet? [03:17] I saw it in the mailing list itself. [03:18] =P [03:18] was that funny or what? [03:18] It amused me, but wasn't a "haha" funny sort of thing. [03:18] linus just does not take any crap from anybody [03:20] Didn't Linus code Chuck Norris? [03:21] I think it's kind of cool. [03:21] * IdleOne wonders [03:21] it was more funny to me because of all of the other things he's said in the past. every so often he comes out with these sorts of remarks [03:22] like that time dave airlie tried to merge something after the window had closed and linus ripped into him [03:23] skynet.skynet.ie? [03:23] I'm checking the opening post. [03:23] Message for message-id not found [03:25] swoody: look at the libcanberra volume, i.e., Sound Preferences > Sound Effects > Alert volume [03:26] there he is! [03:26] I don't have a 10.04 install locally to test, so that's about as far as I'm willing to debug [03:27] dtchen: yeah, it's all the way up. That's the first thing I checked :) [03:27] swoody: adjust the volume [03:27] there seems to be a PA issue where the softvols aren't being synced correctly [03:28] (sorry, I'm referring to both the Alert and Output volumes) [03:31] dtchen: adjusted both of them, and then put them both back to 100% - still barely audible [03:32] another oddity, I changed the 'alert sound' from the default one to 'Sonar' but the terminal-bell still plays the default sound [03:32] swoody: this is only alert volumes, correct? Your non-alerts are audible just fine? [03:32] yeah, everything else sounds just fine, just the terminal-bell (from what I've noticed) [03:35] just enabled 'Window and button sounds' to test them out. They're much louder than the terminal bell - seem to be normal. [03:37] ok, so it isn't libcanberra. Perhaps gnome-terminal? [03:38] dtchen: could be... would trying out a different terminal test that? [03:40] perhaps xkbbell [03:41] just to verify, if you repeat an action that causes a repeat of the terminal bell, does the application appear in the Applications tab of gnome volume control? [03:43] what happened to the "system sounds" slider that used to be on the "applications" tab in pavucontrol? it wasn't brough over to the new tray app? [03:44] dtchen: nope, nothing for the terminal. Firefox, etc. still showup as normal. [03:46] swoody: can you reproduce the symptom with a new user? [03:46] dtchen: will try, brb [03:53] dtchen: same issue with clean (new) account [03:56] swoody: can you pastebin "amixer" output, please? [03:57] dtchen: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/339065/ [03:58] dtchen: also, in Lucid 'Digital' seems to be a new entry in 'alsamixer', although I turned it up to 100%, too [03:59] not sure if that's of any relevance [03:59] that's your digital mic [03:59] so no, it has nothing to do with playback :-) [03:59] gotcha :) [04:00] does toggling the terminal_bell (i.e., disabling, testing then reenabling) do anything? [04:01] I closed and reopened the terminal before, but didn't try unselecting it... one sec... [04:04] (back in ~25 mins) [04:05] dtchen: still no luck, but will talk to you when you get back :) [04:08] If I installed 10.04 from a 9.10 install (changing the repos), can I just upgrade everything and it will be the same thing as installing from 10.04 alpha 1? [04:08] alpha 1, since when? [04:09] * akioghoster is upgrading now [04:09] akioghoster: http://distrowatch.com/?newsid=05813 [04:09] td123, it doesn't always go that smoothly. there's plenty the slip twixt the cup and the lip if you know what i mean [04:09] but theoretically yes [04:10] bjsnider: k, then I'll cross my theoretical fingers :P [04:10] hal removal [04:10] eek [04:10] i crossed my theoretical fingers one time. never saw them again... [04:10] screen is broken, it can't resize [04:11] gnu screen? [04:11] yes [04:11] wow [04:11] that sucks [04:11] ^A F does nothing [04:11] and it doesn't autoresize [04:11] virtuald, using ati hardware [04:11] although I have 10.04 in a vm, so I don't really bother with screen in it :D [04:11] yes [04:12] someone else has been complaining about that. which chip? [04:12] oh it did when i changed the window size but not when i resumed screen [04:12] here's an article describing a bad start for ubuntu 10.04 http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ubuntu_1004_alpha1&num=1 [04:12] interesting read [04:12] :) [04:15] actually lucid feels snappier for me, but i did change some stuff [04:16] its too early to bencj [04:16] bench [04:16] things are still in debuf [04:16] * akioghoster is typing in the dark [04:17] like setting vm.overcommit_memory=2 [04:27] awesome! the only thing that broke with the update was sound (with I don't need in the vm anyways) :D [04:27] <: [04:31] hmm, bell... something to try: change the 'bell' sound in default.pa [04:33] danag: is that the annoying sound you here all the time? [04:34] nope, the bell sound is a nice little "bump" sound. [04:34] The annoying one is the gtk "pyuuuu" sound. [04:35] hmm, I wish PulseAudio's upmix algorithm was as cool as the WinVista and Win7 "Speaker Fill". [04:37] you could just chain it to alsa-lib's upmix [04:37] I guess I should just backport that to Debian unstable and then merge it into Ubuntu Lucid [04:38] dtchen: so I rebooted, and now the terminal-bell isn't working at all :/ [04:38] The Speaker Fill seems especially fancy: it takes voices and puts them on center, and then makes the rears be only accompaniment. [04:38] Even left-only or right-only voices somehow stay out of rears. [04:40] It's like magic. Probably patented? [04:41] Well, "like magic" is a joke... it's probably something like: take average of left and right; stick that on center. then subtract that from left and right, and put on corresponding rear. [04:41] i thought that was already planned for pulse [04:41] i seem to remember reading something lennart wrote about spatial sound events [04:42] Sound events is something different. [04:47] swoody: what's the value of terminal_bell? === dabossbv1 is now known as dabossbv [04:50] ascii value 7 ? [04:50] dtchen: is that in a conf file or something? [04:51] swoody: in gconf [04:52] dtchen: gconf-editor says "pattern not found" is there another way to check it? [04:59] swoody: gconftool -g /desktop/gnome/peripherals/keyboard/bell_mode [05:00] dtchen: set to 'off' [05:00] well, that's one culprit [05:03] dtchen: ok set to 'custom' gives me no bell, but set to 'on' brings back the default bell again, and it's still quiet [05:03] yeah, I can reproduce it here in Karmic [05:03] let me dig [05:14] (sorry, need to be clear: I can reproduce it using the PPA based in Karmic) [05:15] gotcha :) [05:36] nice, froze my machine & found a bug in snd-timer [05:36] anyhoo [05:45] swoody: can you verify using a live cd of 9.10 and reenable bell_mode that the volume is "correctly loud"? [05:45] swoody: then, can you verify using a live cd of 10.04 alpha 1 and reenable bell_mode that the volume is "incorrectly soft"? [05:45] dtchen: well, I could give it a shot, but it was working fine up until last night when I upgraded to Lucid [05:46] might take me 1.5 hr to download 10.04 [05:46] ok, so that would be libcanberra and pulseaudio [05:46] no need, then; I think I have enough to chase it down [05:46] please file a bug; ubuntu-bug pulseaudio [05:46] sure thing :) [05:47] I'm pretty sure it's actually PA [05:47] since I'm using 0.9.21 and Karmic's libcanberra and can reproduce it [05:56] dtchen: well thanks for the help :) [05:57] np [05:57] dtchen: I filed a report, it's: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/495346 [05:57] Ubuntu bug 495346 in pulseaudio "Terminal-Bell Volume Level Very Low" [Undecided,New] [05:57] thanks [05:57] np at all :) [05:58] feel free to add-in anything I may have missed, or left out [08:44] yargh, kwin won't use compositing. weird. [08:51] http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=111&t=63748 === dto1 is now known as dto === melik_ is now known as melik [11:00] which is better for testing, dist-upgrade or just a full install of alpha1? [11:01] do-release-upgrade [11:02] it really dont matter to me, as its running on its on box as it is. that way if it crashes i dont lose anything. [11:16] did do-release-upgrade, it said no new upgrade so am just doing a update [11:28] I am having some missing files in the .jigdo download [11:28] first I tried the oxford.ac.uk mirror then archive.ubuntu.com [11:28] 404 from both on 18 files [11:29] Which files? [11:29] http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/u/ubuntu-meta/ubuntu-minimal_1.178_i386.deb [11:29] for example [11:32] AlanBell: For lucid? Looks like there's a 1.180. [11:35] it is 178 in http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/lucid-alternate-i386.jigdo [11:37] AlanBell: 1.180 was uploaded 5 hours and 30 minutes ago, that file was Last-Modified: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 12:17:24 GMT. [11:40] ok, so where do I go from here? [11:40] if that is a daily jigdo it should be more recent than that should it not? [11:54] i_is_broke: if you want to go to lucid, you need do-release-upgrade -d [11:55] can the nvidia driver now be installed? [11:55] popey, been running lucid updates now for a while. [11:56] oldude67: I'm happy for you, but I was answering a question from i_is_broke [11:56] same person sorry i was on the other machine. [11:56] ah [11:57] and it also said no new upgrade. [11:57] that sounds good [11:57] do-release-upgrade is used for going from one release to another [11:57] not for updating within a release [11:57] thats what update-manager and "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" are for [11:58] popey, thanks ill keep that in mind...actually ill write that down. === pace_t_zulu_ is now known as pace_t_zulu [13:32] guys we need testers for chromium beta [13:32] https://edge.launchpad.net/~chromium-daily/+archive/beta [13:32] any one wants to join ? [13:41] BUGabundo_work: yep [13:43] desu: thanks [13:43] report any probs u find at #ubuntu-mozillateam [13:43] also read the PPA notice, please [13:44] * David-T wonders why no one else seems to be getting bitten by bug #493772 [13:44] Launchpad bug 493772 in mdadm "mdadm + initramfs-tools fail to boot" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/493772 [13:45] does no one else boot from mdadm? [13:45] s/from/using/ [13:48] yes [13:48] not on lucid though [13:53] i'm using chrome beta...does that count? [13:53] BUGabundo_work: testing for +1 Chromium? [13:53] bsnider_: no [13:53] IdleOne: on all releases [13:53] uhhhhh [13:53] ok [13:53] BUGabundo_work: already using the daily-builds here [13:53] bsnider_: thats Google build (afaik for 8.04) [13:53] on karmic [13:54] also using Chrome [13:54] chromium is build by community (in this case fta) for all releases we have [13:54] prefering Chrome right now [13:54] IdleOne: i'm too [13:54] but we need more testers on Beta build [13:54] before go public with it [13:54] BUGabundo_work: well if I come up with any bugs i'll report :) [13:55] IdleOne: chrome and chromium should be very similar [13:56] BUGabundo_work: all I see different is the logo to be honest [13:56] but Chrome does load faster [13:56] does it? [13:56] chromium is almost instant here [13:56] I get the opposite [13:57] really ? [13:57] Chrome is 1 second, Chromium 4-5 seconds to load [13:57] is it slow? [13:57] both my 64bits machine [13:57] chromium is very very fast [13:57] on 32 bit here [13:57] cant even compare to FF [13:57] what's FF? lol [13:57] FireFox [13:57] oh that old browser that people used to use [13:57] i'm using 3.7 [13:58] Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.3a1pre) Gecko/20091209 Ubuntu/8.04 (hardy) Minefield/3.7a1pre ID:20091209212253 [13:58] BUGabundo_work: I was being sarcastic :) [13:58] on debian unstable :DD [13:58] i got it [13:58] .... later [13:59] i'd do it but i don't want to install a new version every day [13:59] it's an outrage [14:00] bsnider_: using the PPA is just an apt-get upgrade [14:00] beta doesnt have daily builds [14:00] IdleOne: [13:59] strange, did he try with an empty profile / cache for both? [14:00] I did not [14:00] will try [14:02] it doesn't have daily builds? the name of the ppa is Ubuntu Chromium Daily Builds [14:02] and the last build was 17 hours ago [14:02] it ooks daily to me here [14:05] bsnider_: not beta ppa [14:05] beta != daily [14:06] [14:01] BUGabundo_work, at least, chromium doesn't have that http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Chrome#Usage_tracking [14:01] the RLZ and clientid part [14:01] and who know what else chrome also adds [14:06] [14:02] it's not just a branded chromium with a shiny icon [14:07] anyone know who to poke about the jigdo daily build? [14:09] AlanBell: use zsync instead, please [14:10] * BUGabundo_work pins ia to the # [14:12] BUGabundo_work: do you think I could use zsync to finish off a nearly complete jigdo iso? [14:18] AlanBell: no idea [14:18] make a copy and try [14:18] i'm sure rsync would work [14:18] good suggestion [14:18] but not sure on zsync [14:19] I will let you know how it goes [14:19] AlanBell: check my ancient script https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BUGabundo/ISORsync [14:19] dont use that anymore, should even update it [14:20]