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| dtchen | WeatherGod: WRT 483382, the X-Fi driver is known-broken | 00:19 |
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| dtchen | WeatherGod: the specs are closed, so there is no easy way to fix the ALSA driver | 00:20 |
| WeatherGod | dtchen, so it is a regression? | 00:20 |
| dtchen | WeatherGod: also, from tinkering, I know that the controller has a lock-down mode | 00:20 |
| dtchen | WeatherGod: no | 00:20 |
| dtchen | it has never been supported in any Ubuntu release | 00:20 |
| WeatherGod | the user never actually says if he ever had it working before | 00:21 |
| WeatherGod | I will double-check | 00:21 |
| dtchen | I can guarantee that it will never have worked in any stock Ubuntu release | 00:21 |
| WeatherGod | "lock-down" mode? | 00:21 |
| dtchen | Jaunty's linux has a driver, and it was only slightly less broken than Karmic's linux-backports-modules-2.6.31 | 00:22 |
| dtchen | however, Jaunty's lacks the necessary codec init and SSIDs to make it work | 00:22 |
| WeatherGod | is there anything that the OR can do to help improve the situation? | 00:23 |
| dtchen | WeatherGod: sure, get his/her card to a developer | 00:23 |
| dtchen | and/or punch Creative in the eyes | 00:23 |
| WeatherGod | uhm, besides that... | 00:23 |
| dtchen | wel, yes. compile alsa-driver stable (need dailies) | 00:24 |
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| micahg | anyone know where the new PPA wiki page is? | 00:24 |
| dtchen | could also wait for Brad to get the git-compile infrastructure up and running | 00:24 |
| WeatherGod | dtchen, you mention SSIDs, is that something that he could contribute to help? | 00:25 |
| dtchen | WeatherGod: also, I'm referring to the ctxfi ALSA driver, not the ca0106 ALSA driver | 00:25 |
| dtchen | WeatherGod: his SSID is already in current HEAD | 00:25 |
| WeatherGod | ok | 00:26 |
| dtchen | beware the X-Fis: many of them are rebadged crappy Audigy LSes | 00:26 |
| dtchen | (meaning they're driven by ca0106) | 00:26 |
| WeatherGod | ok, so blacklisting won't help? | 00:26 |
| dtchen | blacklisting what, snd-ctxfi? | 00:27 |
| WeatherGod | well, which is it using? | 00:27 |
| dtchen | ctxfi | 00:27 |
| dtchen | see above regarding "known-broken" | 00:27 |
| WeatherGod | but, they are driven by ca0106 chip, right? | 00:28 |
| dtchen | perhaps I'm not explaining this well | 00:28 |
| WeatherGod | no, you are fine... this is getting to the very edge of what I understand | 00:28 |
| dtchen | let's roll back the time curtain to when Creative wasn't playing tricks with marketing | 00:28 |
| * WeatherGod gets popcorn | 00:28 | |
| dtchen | so, we had the emu10k1 ALSA driver, developed under NDA, which drives the original SB Live! and Audigy 1 series | 00:29 |
| dtchen | so, we had the emu10k1 ALSA driver, developed under NDA, which drives the original SB Live! and Audigy 1 series | 00:30 |
| dtchen | err | 00:30 |
| WeatherGod | ok | 00:30 |
| dtchen | then someone at Creative saw fit to release a stripped-down OEM version for Dell, with a largely-crippled controller, which a new ALSA driver was written for: emu10k1x | 00:30 |
| WeatherGod | the x is for extreme, right :P | 00:30 |
| dtchen | no problem so far. Then low-cost, stripped-down versions of the Audigy were released under various marketing names, and they required a new ALSA driver: ca0106 | 00:31 |
| dtchen | then Audigy 2s were released, and the same basic thread follows: the uncrippled ones are driven by emu10k1, the crippled ones are driven by ca0106 | 00:31 |
| dtchen | same for Audigy 4 | 00:32 |
| dtchen | same for X-Fi, until the actual release of the new DSP, which required a new ALSA driver that Creative wrote (closed-source) | 00:32 |
| WeatherGod | when you say driven, you mean the driver, or the chipset? | 00:32 |
| dtchen | I mean "load this kernel module to make it go bleep bloop" | 00:33 |
| WeatherGod | ok | 00:33 |
| dtchen | so, as it stands, anything labeled "Live" has actually one of three drivers: emu10k1, emu10k1x, ca0106 | 00:33 |
| dtchen | anything labeled "Audigy" has two drivers: emu10k1, ca0106 | 00:33 |
| dtchen | anything labeled "X-Fi" has two drivers: ca0106, ctxfi | 00:34 |
| WeatherGod | ok, makes sense so far | 00:34 |
| dtchen | Creative has also seen fit to play games with the SSID labeling, so we have to grab the codec SSID and revision | 00:34 |
| dtchen | with most normal sound cards, we look at the PCI SSID, not the codec SSID, but it doesn't matter because they are identical | 00:35 |
| WeatherGod | oh, wait... | 00:35 |
| WeatherGod | so, for example... | 00:35 |
| maco | dtchen: are you saying theyre not identical with creative? | 00:35 |
| dtchen | with an increasing number of manufacturers, the differentiation is in the codec SSID, not the PCI SSID | 00:35 |
| maco | ergh | 00:35 |
| dtchen | Apple does this for all their iMac, Macbook*, etc. | 00:36 |
| dtchen | Creative does this | 00:36 |
| WeatherGod | some Audigy cards need emu10k1 and others need ca0106 | 00:36 |
| dtchen | WeatherGod: correct | 00:36 |
| dtchen | never trust the label | 00:36 |
| dtchen | you *must* look at the codec SSI -- not the PCI SSID -- to tell for certain | 00:36 |
| dtchen | that's why we hate Creative and Apple | 00:37 |
| WeatherGod | does this have anything to do with "Sound Blaster compatible"? | 00:37 |
| dtchen | no | 00:37 |
| WeatherGod | ok | 00:37 |
| dtchen | (end of lecture) | 00:37 |
| maco | dtchen: thanks. good info :) | 00:38 |
| WeatherGod | so, what is the point of having different SSID for PCI and codec? | 00:38 |
| maco | WeatherGod: being jerkwads, i think | 00:38 |
| dtchen | no, it differentiates hw at the codec manufacturer's end | 00:38 |
| dtchen | I can understand the motivation | 00:38 |
| dtchen | it just makes developing quirks even more difficult | 00:39 |
| dtchen | suddenly we have to account for both PCI SSID and codec SSID | 00:39 |
| dtchen | and I've already seen several instances where Creative mixes them, and the wrong driver gets loaded | 00:39 |
| WeatherGod | correct me if I am wrong (I probably am), but wouldn't it be smarter to be able to query the hardware regardless of its interface type? | 00:39 |
| dtchen | ? | 00:40 |
| dtchen | the hardware *is* queried | 00:40 |
| WeatherGod | PCI | 00:40 |
| dtchen | are you referring to codec SSID? | 00:40 |
| WeatherGod | well, I mean, is on-board sound using PCI? | 00:40 |
| dtchen | most drivers are loaded based on modalias from PCI ID, yes | 00:41 |
| WeatherGod | again, I am at the very edge of what I know (posssibly beyond) | 00:41 |
| dtchen | then the driver looks at the PCI SSID for codec patching | 00:41 |
| WeatherGod | ok, but what if some future sound card does not use PCI? | 00:41 |
| dtchen | we use whatever info is provided by the subsystem | 00:42 |
| yoasif | i have a possible bug, but i don't know where to file it | 00:42 |
| WeatherGod | so, if PCI SSID isn't available, fall back to some other descriptor? | 00:42 |
| dtchen | WeatherGod: if PCI SSID isn't available, it isn't a PCI device | 00:43 |
| yoasif | basically, all of the alpha-1 cds have the same name (ubuntu, xubuntu, kubuntu), which makes it a chore to seed all of them on bittorrent (or even to store them).... any ideas where to file this? | 00:43 |
| dtchen | there's only one exception currently: C-Media USB devices | 00:43 |
| dtchen | and that's straightforward, because the modalias will match correctly | 00:43 |
| WeatherGod | dtchen, forgive me, I live in a little more of a fantasy world, but wouldn't it be ideal to be hardware agnostic? | 00:44 |
| dtchen | in an ideal world, I would be raising ponies and unicorns. | 00:45 |
| WeatherGod | wasn't HAL supposed to abstract all of these things out? | 00:45 |
| WeatherGod | I thought you liked kittens? | 00:45 |
| dtchen | of course I admire kittens, but in an ideal world I would be raising ponies and unicorns. And yes, to some degree, HAL made some of this easier. | 00:45 |
| dtchen | HAL cannot account for lazy manufacturers. | 00:46 |
| WeatherGod | is DeviceKit gonna be any better? | 00:46 |
| WeatherGod | and udev? | 00:46 |
| dtchen | again, they cannot address lazy manufacturers | 00:46 |
| WeatherGod | at some level, it has to be dealt with, huh? | 00:47 |
| dtchen | yes. Some would argue it belongs in the driver; some would argue it belongs in a userspace table. | 00:47 |
| WeatherGod | well, that was very informative | 00:48 |
| WeatherGod | thank you very much | 00:48 |
| WeatherGod | in the meantime, is there a webpage to guide the OR if he wishes to help? | 00:48 |
| dtchen | yes, http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/tiwai/sound-2.6.git;a=blob;f=Documentation/sound/alsa/HD-Audio.txt;hb=HEAD | 00:50 |
| dtchen | driver hacking is fun, really! | 00:51 |
| WeatherGod | uhm, well... I will mention it... see how he takes to it... | 00:52 |
| maco | dtchen: oh thats useful to know about | 00:53 |
| WeatherGod | probably be more upset that "Ubuntu doesn't support Creative" | 00:53 |
| * maco does a git pull | 00:53 | |
| dtchen | WeatherGod: it's better couched as "Linux presently does not support your X-Fi very well. You may have some luck uninstalling linux-backports-modules-alsa-$(uname -r) and compiling today's stable alsa-driver snapshot." | 00:54 |
| dtchen | snapshots are at google://people tiwai snapshot | 00:54 |
| WeatherGod | was that a url? | 00:55 |
| dtchen | it can be converted into a correctly-formed URL | 00:55 |
| maco | dtchen: how do i get merge conflicts and failures on alsa-kernel git when i havent modified it since the "git clone"? | 00:55 |
| dtchen | ...alsa-kernel? | 00:55 |
| dtchen | meaning from git.alsa-project.org ? | 00:55 |
| dtchen | you should not track alsa-kernel.git. Always use sound-2.6.git | 00:56 |
| maco | yes | 00:56 |
| maco | oh | 00:56 |
| maco | where's that then? | 00:56 |
| dtchen | um, see above git url... | 00:57 |
| maco | oh same place? ok then | 00:57 |
| maco | dtchen: i still have a Grow A Pony if you'd like to start on that Pony&Unicorn farm... | 00:59 |
| dtchen | I have my own pony kthxbye | 00:59 |
| WeatherGod | dtchen... I just had a thought... | 01:02 |
| WeatherGod | Since the OR is using a VM, couldn't he change the configurations to make it appear that there is another kind of sound card | 01:02 |
| dtchen | irrelevant | 01:02 |
| m3onh0x84 | hi all, what's top bug manager on ubuntu ? | 01:02 |
| dtchen | the underlying host's audio card (well, the one he wants to use, anyhow) is not working | 01:03 |
| maco | top bug manager? | 01:03 |
| WeatherGod | dtchen, he is run a VM in Windows | 01:03 |
| WeatherGod | it works in Windows | 01:03 |
| WeatherGod | s/run/running/ | 01:03 |
| m3onh0x84 | maco, bug manager so everybody almost use :D | 01:03 |
| maco | huh? | 01:03 |
| maco | what do you mean bug manager? | 01:04 |
| m3onh0x84 | bug manager popularest | 01:04 |
| WeatherGod | must be bad translation | 01:04 |
| dtchen | WeatherGod: no, it still doesn't work. | 01:04 |
| maco | WeatherGod: i think so | 01:04 |
| dtchen | WeatherGod: the kernel in the guest doesn't have a working driver for his desired audio device | 01:04 |
| WeatherGod | he is probably looking for something like mantis | 01:04 |
| maco | ooo | 01:04 |
| maco | m3onh0x84: we use bugs.launchpad.net | 01:04 |
| WeatherGod | dtchen, but, couldn't the VM present to the guest an emulated device? | 01:05 |
| WeatherGod | I have seen something similar with video cards | 01:05 |
| WeatherGod | never tried that trick, though | 01:05 |
| dtchen | WeatherGod: I suppose so, but that would be considerably more development work than just using his ens1371 | 01:06 |
| m3onh0x84 | maco, but when networking is disable . So how to save bug to report when restart network ? | 01:06 |
| dtchen | "(Bug reports can be written to a file with apport-cli.)" | 01:06 |
| dtchen | see ubuntu-bug(1) | 01:07 |
| WeatherGod | dtchen, I will present the OR with this info, and let him decide what to do | 01:07 |
| nigel_nb | hggdh: are you around? | 02:08 |
| hggdh | nigel_nb: yes | 02:37 |
| nigel_nb | need a little help with bug 494758 and bug 483335 | 02:38 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 494758 in evolution "Evolution incorrectly reports dates in the near future" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/494758 | 02:38 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 483335 in rhythmbox "Rhythmbox 0.12.5 cannot start playback of Last.fm after pausing " [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/483335 | 02:38 |
| hggdh | looking | 02:39 |
| WeatherGod | can someone with regular gnome please test bug 129396? | 02:40 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 129396 in metacity "New windows are put in the background" [Wishlist,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/129396 | 02:40 |
| WeatherGod | I have UNR, and maximus is probably skewing my tests | 02:40 |
| hggdh | nigel_nb: re. the Evolution one: (1) I do not believe Evo is prepared to say you received an email tomorrow (even more because it is a contradiction in terms, until we can time-travel, at least). So, this *is* a bug | 02:43 |
| hggdh | (2) Evo does not allow for editing the headers. In fact, no email client i know allows for it. BUT | 02:44 |
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| hggdh | the user can simply 'vi ~/.evolution/mail/local/Inbox' -- assuming the email is in the inbox) and edit it as needed | 02:44 |
| nigel_nb | hggdh: the first one is a bug? can we even consider it? | 02:45 |
| hggdh | yes, the result is obviously wrong | 02:45 |
| hggdh | and systems with screwed-up clocks are everywhere | 02:46 |
| hggdh | I do not remember ever hearing about this upstream, so I guess we will not find an existing bug there -- a new one will be needed | 02:47 |
| nigel_nb | hggdh: but does it really matter? | 02:50 |
| nigel_nb | i mean until time travel is invented I dont think I'll really need it | 02:50 |
| hggdh | no we will not. But Tomorrow is wrong | 02:50 |
| hggdh | and this is the point -- wrong output | 02:51 |
| nigel_nb | ah | 02:51 |
| nigel_nb | got it, will file one upstream | 02:51 |
| nigel_nb | and I'll add your suggestion about editing headers | 02:51 |
| hggdh | thank you. As soon as you add in the upstream link I will mark it triaged | 02:52 |
| hggdh | now for the rithmbox one -- what is your question? | 02:52 |
| nigel_nb | anyway to get the fix to karmic? | 02:53 |
| hggdh | WeatherGod: unfortunately I am on the road, and do not have access to another system to run metacity | 02:53 |
| WeatherGod | well, does it happen with compiz? | 02:53 |
| nigel_nb | WeatherGod: checking with compiz | 02:53 |
| hggdh | nigel_nb: yes. It can be proposed for Karmic. It will help a lot if the patch is backported into Karmic's version | 02:54 |
| nigel_nb | WeatherGod: no problem with karmic, focus goes to newly opened window | 02:54 |
| nigel_nb | hggdh: can you teach me how? got enough time? | 02:54 |
| hggdh | not now, no. But I can give you an idea of the process | 02:55 |
| nigel_nb | the thing is a simple patch is not the issue | 02:55 |
| nigel_nb | in karmic, its 0.12.5, and in lucid its 0.12.6 | 02:55 |
| WeatherGod | nigel_nb, was that with Karmic, or Jaunty? | 02:55 |
| nigel_nb | WeatherGod: karmic | 02:55 |
| WeatherGod | thanks | 02:55 |
| nigel_nb | WeatherGod: no problem :) | 02:56 |
| WeatherGod | I will make a note of that in the bug report | 02:56 |
| hggdh | nigel_nb: yes, this is a new, er, release, as far as Karmic is related | 02:56 |
| hggdh | this is the point -- we would need a SRU | 02:56 |
| hggdh | Stable Release Update | 02:56 |
| nigel_nb | does this bug warranty it? | 02:56 |
| nigel_nb | I read about SRU yday | 02:57 |
| hggdh | this means the patch fixing the issue has to be backported from 0.12.6 into 0.12.5 (perhaps requiring other patches, perhaps requiring rebase) | 02:57 |
| nigel_nb | which I hav absolutely no clue of how to do :( | 02:57 |
| hggdh | we would not put 0.12.6 into Karmic, unless there is a very clear, critical, and needed reason for that | 02:58 |
| hggdh | so, then how to do it: | 02:58 |
| hggdh | 1. look at the changelog for 0.12.6 -- see if you can zero in the fix | 02:58 |
| hggdh | 2. go to http://git.gnome.org/rithmbox (supposing rithmbox is gnome), and find the fix | 02:59 |
| hggdh | 3. extract it | 02:59 |
| hggdh | 4. get the source for 0.12.5 (Karmic) hint: use 'pull-lp-source rithmbox karmic' | 03:00 |
| hggdh | try to apply the fix | 03:00 |
| nigel_nb | lemme try it out, just for educational purpose | 03:01 |
| hggdh | of course, 'try to apply the fix' is the crux | 03:01 |
| nigel_nb | I dont think this warrants a fix * right * now | 03:01 |
| nigel_nb | not really critical, just dont pause | 03:01 |
| hggdh | I also do not think, personally, it is a critical issue | 03:01 |
| hggdh | which is to say, a SRU request would probably be refused | 03:02 |
| nigel_nb | all of this is just for learning, seems like a fairly small app | 03:03 |
| nigel_nb | just want to learn fixing at least the bitesize ones | 03:03 |
| dtchen | if it's a contained, minimal fix, it will be a good candidate | 03:03 |
| hggdh | might be a simple thing to do, yes, and then good for learning | 03:03 |
| hggdh | you will want to read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide and other related pages | 03:04 |
| WeatherGod | is there a command to un-hug a bug? | 03:05 |
| WeatherGod | I accidentially did a hugday close for the wrong bug | 03:05 |
| nigel_nb | WeatherGod: go to the wiki manually | 03:05 |
| dtchen | nigel_nb: can you verify that enabling crossfading works around this bug? | 03:05 |
| nigel_nb | dtchen: the rhythmbox one? | 03:05 |
| dtchen | nigel_nb: if it does, then look at upstream commit 2221a3885edb753013fbb6119ae3f092ee5698b5 | 03:05 |
| * WeatherGod grumble grumble | 03:05 | |
| dtchen | nigel_nb: yes | 03:05 |
| * nigel_nb goes and checks | 03:06 | |
| dtchen | this is gnome #499048 | 03:06 |
| ubot4 | Gnome bug 499048 in playback "Filter insertion and removal on non-xfade backend is not robust." [Normal,Resolved: fixed] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=499048 | 03:06 |
| hggdh | WeatherGod: unhugging was not considered for the hug-tools... you will have to unhug manually | 03:06 |
| dtchen | meaning, I'm referring to that bug; I haven't done the grunt work of chasing whether it's the relevant bug for that symptom | 03:07 |
| hggdh | nigel_nb: even if an SRU is refused, you can always publish the fixed rithmbox in your PPA | 03:09 |
| nigel_nb | dtchen: I think its a different issue. This bug is only with online radio | 03:09 |
| nigel_nb | ordinary play works without any issues | 03:09 |
| dtchen | really? I can reproduce that bug with ordinary play. | 03:09 |
| nigel_nb | huh? | 03:09 |
| dtchen | but, I trust you to do the work. :-) | 03:10 |
| nigel_nb | hehe, you rhymbox is broken dtchen | 03:10 |
| nigel_nb | it works great for me, I pause and play it often | 03:10 |
| dtchen | it could well be and thus could well need an SRU | 03:10 |
| maco | dtchen: can i borrow your computer to record voiceovers for screencasts nigel_nb made for Ubuntu User Days? | 03:10 |
| maco | dtchen: my sound is b0rked, as you know | 03:10 |
| dtchen | no, I don't know how your sound is b0rked | 03:11 |
| dtchen | you just hand-waved; we never sat down to troubleshoot it | 03:11 |
| maco | you dont know how, but you know that it is :P | 03:11 |
| maco | phonon says it couldnt use pulseaudio, falling back to empty string | 03:11 |
| maco | i haz no devices :) | 03:12 |
| dtchen | I'll be home in about 45 mins | 03:12 |
| maco | ok | 03:12 |
| dtchen | currently supper is calling | 03:12 |
| * nigel_nb cheers | 03:12 | |
| maco | where you going? merge and sticky are closed... | 03:12 |
| dtchen | I'm just about finished eating (down the street) | 03:13 |
| WeatherGod | dtchen, if supper can call you, I think you have bigger problems | 03:13 |
| WeatherGod | like, hunting it | 03:13 |
| nigel_nb | hahaha, good one WeatherGod :P | 03:13 |
| * WeatherGod nods | 03:13 | |
| dtchen | I'm currently *eating* and patching sound/pci/hda/patch_analog.c, so I doubt that's the issue. | 03:14 |
| nigel_nb | dtchen: do me a favor, keep reminding maco to slow down (please ;)) | 03:15 |
| nigel_nb | I mean when she's recording | 03:15 |
| maco | ahahaha | 03:15 |
| maco | nigel_nb: he's seen me do public speaking | 03:15 |
| nigel_nb | maco: I know, so he should have an idea ;) | 03:15 |
| dtchen | then you're lucky you didn't get me; I just skip entire steps hoping the audience read up beforehand | 03:15 |
| nigel_nb | oh oh | 03:16 |
| maco | and you show pictures of crying babies to represent users | 03:16 |
| dtchen | it's appropriate. All we [users] do is whine. | 03:16 |
| WeatherGod | "rabble, rabble, rabble!" | 03:17 |
| WeatherGod | sorry, my mind went to South Park for a second | 03:17 |
| dtchen | nigel_nb: just ask her to practise signing as she speaks | 03:18 |
| nigel_nb | dtchen: how does that help ? ;) | 03:18 |
| dtchen | she can't sign as fast with her hands, so her speech slows | 03:18 |
| WeatherGod | does she know ASL? | 03:19 |
| dtchen | we both know some signed English and a very tiny bit of ASL | 03:19 |
| nigel_nb | dtchen: I made sure the screencast is very slow (really slow) | 03:20 |
| nigel_nb | that should help ;) | 03:20 |
| WeatherGod | neat | 03:20 |
| WeatherGod | my vocabulary is very weak, and I haven't used ASL in years, but I keep meaning to pick it back up | 03:21 |
| * nigel_nb just learned what ASL is | 03:22 | |
| WeatherGod | nigel_nb, do you think that bug 455241 is the exact opposite of bug 129396 | 03:22 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 455241 in compiz "New windows steal focus" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/455241 | 03:22 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 129396 in compiz "New windows are put in the background" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/129396 | 03:23 |
| nigel_nb | it sounds so | 03:23 |
| WeatherGod | so, which is the bug? | 03:23 |
| nigel_nb | the bug is not a bug I think | 03:23 |
| WeatherGod | how zen | 03:23 |
| nigel_nb | WeatherGod: someone is missing some option, a tick mark, a checkbox | 03:24 |
| nigel_nb | where to open a new window | 03:24 |
| WeatherGod | actually, looks like the "Steals focus" one is not quite the opposite | 03:25 |
| WeatherGod | they modified the same setting that the other report modified, to no avail | 03:25 |
| WeatherGod | and it is from windows coming up that is instantiated from other sources | 03:26 |
| WeatherGod | the other bug report dealt with new windows opening from a particular application | 03:27 |
| nigel_nb | what we need is both people launching from the same source (probably terminal) | 03:27 |
| nigel_nb | I think so :\ | 03:27 |
| WeatherGod | well, I think there might be different expectations, maybe? | 03:27 |
| nigel_nb | now, its actually a mess | 03:28 |
| WeatherGod | if you start a program, and then while it is loading, you go back to work elsewhere | 03:28 |
| WeatherGod | what do you want to stay where you are? | 03:28 |
| nigel_nb | when I'm working on gedit | 03:28 |
| nigel_nb | and I launch firefox | 03:28 |
| nigel_nb | its mostly because I *want* to work on firefox | 03:28 |
| maco | WeatherGod: my senior design project is a program to teach sign languages that i'd like to eventually get put into the KDE Education Suite | 03:28 |
| nigel_nb | so how is it a bug? (just shooting in the dark) | 03:28 |
| WeatherGod | maco, make me a tester | 03:29 |
| WeatherGod | I would love to help you on that | 03:29 |
| WeatherGod | nigel_nb, consider a program that takes a bit to load... | 03:29 |
| maco | im gonna need people from all over to help make videos of the signs used outside the US, as i just know BSL's vowels and Ausland's "forget" | 03:29 |
| WeatherGod | and then I switch back to a terminal to type stuff... | 03:30 |
| WeatherGod | I hate it when that program jumps back in front of my typing | 03:30 |
| WeatherGod | maco, I 'know' ASL only | 03:30 |
| dtchen | (it isn't a problem if you use the right window manager!) | 03:30 |
| WeatherGod | and even that is from years ago | 03:31 |
| maco | dtchen: theyre talking about a bug in a window manager silly :P | 03:31 |
| maco | dtchen: but yes i was just thinking "i <3 my tiling window manager" | 03:31 |
| WeatherGod | dtchen, ok, but what rational is it that lets a program initiated before a focus change change the focus back? | 03:32 |
| maco | being the newest window | 03:32 |
| WeatherGod | right... but I am talking from the "crying babies" perspective | 03:32 |
| WeatherGod | to them, it is "annoying" | 03:33 |
| dtchen | if you want that last program to pop up a modal, then that's one use case | 03:33 |
| WeatherGod | ? | 03:33 |
| dtchen | e.g., I set an alarm to fire off when some task completes, then switch focus to another window | 03:33 |
| nigel_nb | I'm hungry, off for breakfast guys, catch y'all in 30 mins | 03:34 |
| WeatherGod | ttyl | 03:34 |
| dtchen | note that I'm not condoning such a use case as being common or even valid | 03:34 |
| dtchen | (valid in my book, that is) | 03:34 |
| WeatherGod | dtchen, so, do we want the modal to steal focus? | 03:34 |
| dtchen | modals always steal focus | 03:34 |
| WeatherGod | just about to say that | 03:34 |
| dtchen | however, I don't know if the intent is to have the window act as a modal does | 03:35 |
| dtchen | I would say that that behavior in the context of non-modal is a bug | 03:35 |
| WeatherGod | right, it isn't (that's why they are different) | 03:35 |
| dtchen | it annoyed me enough that I switched window managers completely | 03:35 |
| WeatherGod | which are you using? | 03:35 |
| dtchen | awesome or xmonad | 03:35 |
| WeatherGod | I heard of awesome... I am sure there is some sort of snide joke I could use | 03:36 |
| dtchen | I think it was created as a snide aside | 03:37 |
| WeatherGod | haha | 03:37 |
| dtchen | anyhow, yeah, that would be a bug in my book | 03:38 |
| WeatherGod | I would like to actually show people how easy and attractive Ubuntu can be | 03:38 |
| WeatherGod | ok | 03:38 |
| WeatherGod | I will update that description a bit and set it to confirm | 03:38 |
| WeatherGod | actually, should probably move it off of compiz | 03:40 |
| WeatherGod | move it over to gnome-desktop | 03:40 |
| micahg | hggdh: do you know anything about fast tracking the apport fix? | 03:49 |
| WeatherGod | dtchen, in the context of what we were talking about before, what do you think about bug 476827 | 03:53 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 476827 in filezilla "Filezilla "file has changed" dialogue steals focus (dup-of: 455241)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/476827 | 03:53 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 455241 in gnome-desktop "New windows steal focus" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/455241 | 03:53 |
| WeatherGod | I don't think it is a dupe | 03:53 |
| dtchen | I think they're both compiz, but you'd need to ask the OR to verify with metacity | 03:58 |
| WeatherGod | but, are they the same problem? | 03:58 |
| WeatherGod | or is FileZilla using a modal, maybe? | 03:59 |
| WeatherGod | can I get a second opinion on bug 371452? | 04:29 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 371452 in compiz "Zoom locks on password prompt" [Low,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/371452 | 04:29 |
| WeatherGod | at the very least, I think it should not be labeled as "Invalid", but rather "Wont FIx" | 04:30 |
| WeatherGod | although, I would like to think there was still a way to deal with this properly | 04:30 |
| hggdh | micahg: the easiest way is to add in comments in the bug stating it was tested | 04:44 |
| micahg | hggdh: I didn't test it | 04:44 |
| hggdh | can you give me again the bug@? | 04:44 |
| hggdh | bug# | 04:44 |
| hggdh | I did | 04:44 |
| micahg | bug 476513 | 04:44 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 476513 in apport "/etc/default/apport comment outdated" [Low,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/476513 | 04:44 |
| hggdh | micahg: done. If we can get somebody else to check on it, better | 04:48 |
| micahg | WeatherGod: do you want to test an apport fix? | 04:48 |
| WeatherGod | sure, what do I need to do? | 04:48 |
| * WeatherGod looks at bug report | 04:49 | |
| micahg | check out the bug above, there should be a test case, you need to enable -proposed during the test case to install an updated version of apport | 04:49 |
| micahg | WeatherGod: just follow the steps in the test case in the description and report if it works or not | 04:49 |
| hggdh | micahg: I am going to bed, I *must* wake up early tomorrow | 04:50 |
| WeatherGod | I am on Jaunty | 04:50 |
| micahg | WeatherGod: oh, ok, nevermind | 04:50 |
| WeatherGod | good night | 04:50 |
| micahg | hggdh: ok, thanks | 04:50 |
| WeatherGod | sorry | 04:50 |
| hggdh | g'night to all | 04:50 |
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| echotone | I cant install 9.10. I am using the alternate cd and it may install but then it runs and i get a black screen. any thoughts? | 07:59 |
| Kage_Jittai | echotone: I got a idea, try the alternate CD | 08:00 |
| Kage_Jittai | :( | 08:00 |
| cheeko | why alter nate cd | 08:00 |
| cheeko | whts tht | 08:00 |
| cheeko | coz i have live cd | 08:01 |
| Kage_Jittai | cheeko: the alternate CD is the same thing as the live CD, but it doesn't load to a GUI, it uses a older console installer | 08:01 |
| cheeko | Kage_Jittai: just like knoppix 2 | 08:02 |
| cheeko | option | 08:02 |
| nperry | Bug 217485 - patch has been attached upstream but its been sat there since jan 2009, If i attach patch to Ubuntu would somone patch it for us then we'll push that upstream? | 09:37 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 217485 in pgp4pine "stack smashing detected" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/217485 | 09:37 |
| Dakon | <Dakon> I would like to help with bug 470695 in case anyone is interested | 09:52 |
| Dakon | <Dakon> this is most likely either just the KGpg icon hidden in systray (because KGpg is inactive) | 09:52 |
| Dakon | <Dakon> or this one https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=198483 | 09:52 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 470695 in kdeutils "Kgpg doesn't run by default" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/470695 | 09:52 |
| Dakon | <Dakon> the hidden thing is explained in comment #2 there | 09:52 |
| ubot4 | KDE bug 198483 in general "No system tray icon for KGpg after "Close" button is clicked" [Normal,Assigned] | 09:52 |
| nperry | Dakon: I dont think any of those two bugs are related | 10:02 |
| Dakon | the user says there is a KGpg process running so he must see it | 10:03 |
| nperry | He says its running then it closes | 10:03 |
| nperry | After the window popped and closed | 10:03 |
| Dakon | but he still sees the process so it must be somewhere | 10:03 |
| Dakon | which usually means it hides itself in systray (which is the default) | 10:04 |
| Dakon | in KDE 4.3 systray hides inactive processes which many users are not aware of | 10:04 |
| nperry | To be honest, i use Gnome | 10:05 |
| nperry | Im just trying to find an online man page to see what -k actually does! | 10:05 |
| Dakon | kgpg --help -> it directly opens the keysmanager | 10:05 |
| Dakon | if you only start it by "kgpg" and systray is enabled it will just go into systray and not show up any window | 10:06 |
| nperry | Right.. | 10:07 |
| nperry | But this still is the thing, If I run "ps -e" while the tab is there I do see a kgpg process running until the tab disappears. | 10:07 |
| Dakon | so the process isn't there anymore if the tab is closed? | 10:07 |
| nperry | So the process stops when the 'tab' goes | 10:07 |
| nperry | Is how i read that | 10:07 |
| Dakon | ok, that would indeed be something different | 10:07 |
| Dakon | can you reproduce this behaviour? | 10:08 |
| Dakon | I've never tried KGpg on Gnome ;) | 10:08 |
| nperry | Let me see if it'll allow me to install without all of kde :P | 10:08 |
| Dakon | it should only pull in kdelibs and kdepimlibs | 10:09 |
| Dakon | if not your packager did something wrong ;) | 10:09 |
| nperry | Indeed it did :) | 10:09 |
| nperry | Setup wizard popped fine for me. | 10:10 |
| Dakon | Once you are done with that I think you need to quit KGpg and try again | 10:11 |
| Dakon | setup wizard will not show up again then | 10:11 |
| nperry | From the looks of it i reckon its not a bug, because kpgp runs at start up in the background and its hidden | 10:16 |
| nperry | so -k brings up the keymanager | 10:16 |
| nperry | without a flag it fails becuase there is an instance already running | 10:16 |
| nperry | the other process will be at the top of ps -e becuase its at startup | 10:17 |
| nperry | So i think the the kmenu should be -k by default to bring up the instance at startup | 10:18 |
| nperry | rather then try and open a new one | 10:19 |
| nperry | Dakon: what do you reckon? | 10:23 |
| Dakon | would make sense | 10:27 |
| Dakon | if I start it with the menu I want to do something with it, i.e. have a window | 10:28 |
| Dakon | brb | 10:28 |
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| David-T | is there any way to draw attention to bug #493772 (which causes boot failures in lucid with / on mdadm), as it has an extremely easy fix, but seems to be lost in the noise... | 14:06 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 493772 in mdadm "mdadm + initramfs-tools fail to boot" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/493772 | 14:06 |
| greg-g | David-T: if you are confident that it is reproducible and your patch is the right way (or, close to the right way) to fix it, I would let Keybuk know in #ubuntu-devel | 14:27 |
| David-T | greg-g: ok, thanks. | 14:32 |
| bddebian | Boo | 14:55 |
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| mr_steve | What's the word on notifications in Lucid? notify-osd is intentionally in some kind of debug/dev mode, right? | 17:04 |
| mr_steve | For example, bug #495533 | 17:05 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 495533 in notify-osd "notify-osd strange lines shown in bubble" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/495533 | 17:05 |
| thekorn | mr_steve, yes, that's correct, this is not a bug, it is intentional. | 17:15 |
| thekorn | se the changelog entry on https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/notify-osd/0.9.24-0ubuntu2 | 17:15 |
| thekorn | s/se/see | 17:15 |
| mr_steve | thekorn: thanks, I thought that was the case, just wanted to confirm. Lots of bugs being filed about it. | 17:16 |
| thekorn | mr_steve, really? seems like notify-osd only has two bug 495138 and yours | 17:19 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 495138 in notify-osd "Notify-osd Not displaying correctly" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/495138 | 17:19 |
| thekorn | that's at least what a quick search gave me | 17:19 |
| mr_steve | perhaps "lots" is an overstatement, but I think I've seen at least three. One was filed against the wrong package I think | 17:19 |
| mr_steve | I've been a bit out of touch with triage lately, starting school soon, keeps me distracted. | 17:20 |
| thekorn | mr_steve, are you marking them as invalid? | 17:21 |
| thekorn | or should I take this action | 17:21 |
| mr_steve | Go ahead; the only one I actually touched I just commented that I was fairly certain it was not a bug. Now that I've confirmed it I can handle them better | 17:22 |
| thekorn | mr_steve, okidoki, thanks for pointing this out | 17:22 |
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| nperry | i believe bug 493384 - could somone check this bug please - My first bug im triaging :) | 17:36 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 493384 in nvidia-graphics-drivers-173 "xorg crashes at start with nvidia drivers. Karmic Koala. Nvidia Drivers." [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/493384 | 17:36 |
| nperry | I cant see aything that would be causing this in setup | 17:37 |
| micahg | nperry: you should have added usplash the package not usplash the upstream | 17:38 |
| nperry | Oh have i :s my bad! | 17:38 |
| micahg | nperry: you could have just changed the package from nvidia to usplash | 17:38 |
| WeatherGod | nperry, that is a common mistake, I noticed that I was doing that a few weeks ago | 17:38 |
| micahg | yep, it's a little confusing in LP | 17:38 |
| nperry | Fixed :) | 17:39 |
| WeatherGod | yeah, and to add another Ubuntu package, you need to use "Also effects distribution" | 17:39 |
| WeatherGod | realized that last week | 17:39 |
| nperry | I was adding project | 17:39 |
| WeatherGod | yeah... I did that for the longest time | 17:40 |
| micahg | nperry: yeah, this doesn't look like usplash since the user gets all the way to X load | 17:40 |
| yofel | this sounds like bug 491483 | 17:40 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 491483 in gdm "Since failsafe-x was enabled in karmic it starts if gdm is disabled and kdm is used. (low graphics mode error)" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/491483 | 17:40 |
| nperry | But when usplash is disabled it didnt happen | 17:40 |
| yofel | hm | 17:40 |
| technoviking | What should I file a bug againist if I have menu issue in Ubuntu | 17:41 |
| WeatherGod | what sort of menu issue? | 17:41 |
| * micahg needs to remember to read the whole bug :) | 17:41 | |
| * micahg is going to defer due to a lack of knowledge about usplash | 17:42 | |
| technoviking | WeatherGod: double enties under System Preference and Administration | 17:42 |
| nperry | micahg: I had a look through some triaged x bugs but none of them match 100% | 17:42 |
| technoviking | WeatherGod: in Lucid | 17:42 |
| WeatherGod | using gnome? | 17:43 |
| technoviking | yes | 17:43 |
| WeatherGod | well, that would likely be a configuration issue | 17:43 |
| WeatherGod | so, Ubunut-meta, maybe? | 17:43 |
| WeatherGod | Ubuntu-meta | 17:43 |
| WeatherGod | not exactly sure... | 17:44 |
| nperry | technoviking: Ive got a feeling there is a bug already for it | 17:44 |
| technoviking | nperry: does not matter, a reboot fixed it. | 17:45 |
| micahg | nperry: it looks like you have all the info based on the debuggin page | 17:45 |
| micahg | nperry: what do you think the next step is | 17:45 |
| nperry | I was going to suggest lucid to him, but i dont think thats the best next step | 17:48 |
| micahg | nperry: no, it's probably not at this point | 17:48 |
| nperry | What would you suggest? | 17:51 |
| micahg | nperry: to have it marked triaged :) | 17:52 |
| micahg | nperry: once all the information is collected, we hand the bug off to the developers | 17:52 |
| nperry | wow, take my virinity :P | 17:52 |
| nperry | *virginity | 17:52 |
| micahg | nperry: my question for you is what importance should I set? | 17:53 |
| nperry | low | 17:53 |
| nperry | As noone else is having the problem | 17:53 |
| micahg | nperry: well, importance is estimated impact, not just what we've seen, but I agree Low since there is an easy workaround | 17:54 |
| mewseslol | is it just to post a question in this channel or do you need some sort of permission? | 17:54 |
| micahg | mewseslol: if it's a question about FILING a bug, then you can post or if it's a question about a bug you've already filed, support questions should go to #ubuntu | 17:55 |
| mewseslol | micahg: thx | 17:55 |
| nperry | micahg: Sounds good to me | 17:56 |
| micahg | nperry: done...nice job! | 17:58 |
| WeatherGod | micahg, does anybody still use the bugHelper script? | 17:59 |
| nperry | micahg: Thanks, time to move onto my next :) | 18:00 |
| * micahg doesn't know what a bughelper script is WeatherGod | 18:00 | |
| WeatherGod | in the Bug Squad knowledgebase: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugHelper | 18:00 |
| yofel | WeatherGod: not that I know of, maybe ask bdmurray | 18:01 |
| bdmurray | WeatherGod: for what? pedro uses it for hug days | 18:01 |
| WeatherGod | ok, I was wondering if it was still a useful tool | 18:02 |
| bdmurray | WeatherGod: for a very limited subset of things | 18:02 |
| thekorn | WeatherGod, I'm not sure how good it is working after all the launchpad changes | 18:02 |
| WeatherGod | because it doesn't work on Fedora systems for a very stupid reason | 18:02 |
| thekorn | WeatherGod, I started a new version of bughelper some time ago, using the launchpad API | 18:02 |
| thekorn | https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~bughelper-dev/bughelper/bughelper-ng | 18:03 |
| micahg | fascinating | 18:03 |
| bdmurray | thekorn: how is that doing? | 18:03 |
| thekorn | but i did not manage to finish work on it yet | 18:03 |
| WeatherGod | thekorn, does it depend on being in a Ubuntu environment? | 18:04 |
| thekorn | bdmurray, the bughelper tool is mostly ported, some more complicated options like searching by last user who made a comment is still not implmented | 18:04 |
| nperry | Am i right in saying rhythmbox is no longer being maintained? | 18:04 |
| thekorn | WeatherGod, I don't think so, you just need launchpadlib and a few standard python packages | 18:04 |
| WeatherGod | ok, because the original bughelper used apt_pkg to gather the version number | 18:05 |
| thekorn | I'm pretty sure the new version is not using apt_pkg anymore | 18:06 |
| WeatherGod | well, I will try it out | 18:06 |
| thekorn | WeatherGod, super, I'm looking forward to get your bugreports about this tool ;) | 18:07 |
| thekorn | ...and maybe someone with some python skills would like to work on it ;) | 18:08 |
| micahg | nperry: who said that? | 18:08 |
| thekorn | or someone who would like to learn python, of course | 18:08 |
| WeatherGod | well, I have my trusty rat book right next to me | 18:09 |
| WeatherGod | I might be able to lend a hand | 18:09 |
| pedro_ | WeatherGod, bug 494748 , guess that's for you | 18:10 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 494748 in ubuntu "Posted for Weather God! Trying to Analyze Sound Problem! " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/494748 | 18:10 |
| WeatherGod | heh | 18:10 |
| nperry | micahg: I though i read it somwhere on a mailing list | 18:10 |
| micahg | nperry: no, it looks like it's maintained still | 18:14 |
| nperry | I think WeatherGod has already been sub'ed to it :) | 18:15 |
| WeatherGod | yeah... looks like he tried to submit some more info by email, and it bounced or something | 18:15 |
| WeatherGod | and so he posted a new bug report... dunno | 18:16 |
| micahg | WeatherGod: you need to have a PGP key registered with LP to post by email | 18:16 |
| WeatherGod | ah, that would explain a lot | 18:17 |
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| micahg | WeatherGod: https://help.launchpad.net/Bugs/EmailInterface | 18:18 |
| maco | no | 18:19 |
| maco | you can comment without pgp | 18:19 |
| maco | you just cant change bug status/importance/package/subscribers/etc without signing the email | 18:19 |
| maco | hehehe that IS a funny bug report though | 18:19 |
| maco | at least from the subject line | 18:19 |
| WeatherGod | yeah, gonna mark it as a dupe of the original | 18:19 |
| micahg | WeatherGod: if the new one has more info, mark the old one a dupe of the new one | 18:20 |
| WeatherGod | no, it just has some output from a command we asked him to run... besides we ended up figuring out his problem anyway | 18:20 |
| WeatherGod | that was the whole lecture yesterday by dtchen | 18:21 |
| malev | hi everybody! Yesterday I've sent a message to a user that reported a bug and today he answered me. apparently confirming the bug. should I mark it as confirmed? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/451974 | 18:22 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 451974 in fglrx-installer "Black video minimizing Totem window" [Undecided,New] | 18:22 |
| WeatherGod | well, maybe Triaged? | 18:25 |
| WeatherGod | don't know why fglrx-installer is involved, though | 18:26 |
| WeatherGod | I would, actually, ask him to try another video player | 18:26 |
| WeatherGod | to see if the problem is limited to totem or all video players | 18:26 |
| malev | WeatherGod. Oks! I'll do that. One more thing I can't triage, I don' have that option. | 18:27 |
| WeatherGod | right, you are just like me... a newbie | 18:27 |
| WeatherGod | we have to earn that option | 18:27 |
| malev | WeatherGod, haha It looks like! | 18:28 |
| WeatherGod | the more experienced people in this group can check over your triaging work, to make sure there is enough info | 18:28 |
| WeatherGod | and then they can mark it as such | 18:28 |
| malev | But it seems that you've been here for a long time, isn't it? | 18:28 |
| WeatherGod | only a month | 18:28 |
| WeatherGod | maybe month and a half | 18:29 |
| maco | which bug? | 18:29 |
| maco | im in bug control | 18:29 |
| malev | bug control? what's is that? | 18:29 |
| WeatherGod | bug 451974 | 18:29 |
| WeatherGod | is ubot4 broken again? | 18:30 |
| ubot4 | WeatherGod: Error: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: timed out (https://launchpad.net/bugs/451974) | 18:31 |
| WeatherGod | malev, bug control is the group that have extra permissions | 18:31 |
| WeatherGod | they are the mentors | 18:31 |
| maco | not necessarily | 18:31 |
| WeatherGod | true, but all mentors are bug control | 18:32 |
| maco | bug control are people who've passed a simple test showing they know how to triage | 18:32 |
| maco | some of us chooes also to be mentors | 18:32 |
| maco | *choose | 18:32 |
| WeatherGod | there is a test? | 18:32 |
| malev | test???? mmm like in college? | 18:32 |
| malev | :D | 18:32 |
| maco | when you apply to bug control you have to answer questions | 18:32 |
| maco | i think 5 of them | 18:32 |
| WeatherGod | ah, ok | 18:32 |
| WeatherGod | malev, how much coffee have you had today? | 18:33 |
| WeatherGod | no, better question... | 18:33 |
| WeatherGod | how much sugar did you put into it? | 18:33 |
| malev | I've just wake up... yesterday I have a geat nigigt! :D | 18:33 |
| maco | and i think the 5th is "show 5 bugs youve triaged and tell what importance youd set them to and why" | 18:33 |
| maco | then a few current bug control mentors review your answers, and if they're satisfactory bdmurray makes you a member | 18:33 |
| WeatherGod | maco, good to know... in case I ever want to take on that level of responsibility | 18:34 |
| WeatherGod | next semester is gonna be insane for me... so I don't know how much time I can devote | 18:35 |
| malev | WeatherGod, what're you studing? | 18:35 |
| WeatherGod | I am a PhD student in Meteorology | 18:36 |
| WeatherGod | I also run the servers for my research group | 18:36 |
| malev | WeatherGod, cool!! I'm applying for a PhD in MEMS | 18:37 |
| WeatherGod | MEMS? | 18:37 |
| malev | Micro-Electro-Mechanical Systems | 18:37 |
| WeatherGod | so, nanomachines? | 18:38 |
| malev | something like that | 18:38 |
| WeatherGod | neat | 18:38 |
| malev | well folks! I'm gonna get something to eat. I'll see you in a while. | 18:39 |
| hggdh | being in bug-control just gives up authority to set a bug triaged and to set Importance | 18:40 |
| hggdh | there is not much more than that | 18:40 |
| hggdh | s/gives up/gives you/ | 18:40 |
| WeatherGod | thekorn, re: bughelper-ng, why are you using bootstrapping? | 18:42 |
| WeatherGod | I thought distutils.core does all of that stuff now | 18:42 |
| WeatherGod | hggdh, gotcha | 18:43 |
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| hggdh | another thing that is expected from -controllers is to direct and help begining triagers | 18:44 |
| thekorn | WeatherGod, hmm, that's a long story, but basically I like things like having an isolated test environment, being able to run a interactive session with the current state of the branch | 18:44 |
| thekorn | WeatherGod, so I don't need to do some weird symlinking or mangling with PYTHONPATH | 18:44 |
| thekorn | and most importantly: the time when I started bughelper-ng virtualenv was broken on karmic | 18:45 |
| thekorn | so I had no other choice ;) | 18:45 |
| WeatherGod | I think setuptools now does that | 18:48 |
| WeatherGod | http://ianbicking.org/docs/setuptools-presentation/ | 18:48 |
| WeatherGod | not sure, I haven't tried it, though | 18:49 |
| nperry | micahg: Do you mind looking into this one please, bug 495322 - I believe everything is there which is needed | 18:51 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 495322 in linux "Kernel Oops - unable to handle kernel paging request at ff0e0300 ; EIP is at __ticket_spin_lock+0x8/0x20" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/495322 | 18:51 |
| WeatherGod | thekorn, I don't think anything succeeded in my build test | 18:54 |
| micahg | nperry: seems good, what importance? | 18:54 |
| thekorn | WeatherGod, do you have some scripts in bin/ | 18:55 |
| WeatherGod | thekorn: bughelper, buildout, python, test | 18:55 |
| thekorn | WeatherGod, looks good, try running bin/bughelper --help | 18:56 |
| thekorn | which should give you a local instance of the bughelper tool | 18:56 |
| nperry | micahg: low because i reckon its hardware related but medium because its random restarts and not a easy word around | 18:56 |
| thekorn | bin/test runs the test suite | 18:57 |
| WeatherGod | haha.... it does depend on dpkg-query to get the version number | 18:57 |
| thekorn | WeatherGod, you don't have dpkg-query? | 18:57 |
| WeatherGod | I am on Fedora | 18:57 |
| WeatherGod | I use Fedora for work, and Ubuntu for home | 18:58 |
| thekorn | WeatherGod, but, looking at the code, it should not break if dpkg-query is not there | 18:58 |
| thekorn | can you post me the traceback? | 18:58 |
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| WeatherGod | here in the forum or what? | 18:59 |
| thekorn | WeatherGod, paste.ubuntu.com | 18:59 |
| micahg | nperry: since it locks up the system, I'm going to mark it high...see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Importance | 18:59 |
| thekorn | WeatherGod, oh right, I can reproduce your error | 19:00 |
| WeatherGod | didn't know ubuntu had a pastebin | 19:00 |
| thekorn | WeatherGod, let me fix it | 19:00 |
| WeatherGod | ok | 19:00 |
| micahg | nperry: done | 19:01 |
| nperry | micahg: Thankyou :) | 19:01 |
| micahg | nperry: thank you :) | 19:01 |
| thekorn | WeatherGod, I just pushed a fix, 'bzr pull' and it should work for you | 19:03 |
| WeatherGod | then I just do another bootstrap or what? | 19:03 |
| WeatherGod | thekorn: http://paste.ubuntu.com/339417/ | 19:07 |
| WeatherGod | oh, wait | 19:07 |
| WeatherGod | ok, I thought I had launchpadlib | 19:07 |
| WeatherGod | lemme double-check | 19:08 |
| thekorn | right | 19:08 |
| thekorn | I don't think you have it installed | 19:08 |
| WeatherGod | maybe I did it on my other machine... | 19:08 |
| WeatherGod | but, then again, I do have hugday tools working | 19:08 |
| WeatherGod | doesn't it use that? | 19:09 |
| WeatherGod | ok, I probably didn't install it | 19:10 |
| thekorn | WeatherGod, no, hugday-tool is not using launchpadlib | 19:10 |
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| WeatherGod | thekorn, I got everything downloaded, and the tests were successful | 19:30 |
| thekorn | super | 19:33 |
| WeatherGod | thanks for the help, I'll let you know how it goes | 19:34 |
| thekorn | thank you | 19:35 |
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| malev | hola muchachos! hi everybody! I have a bug that I think is ready for triage. But I'm not able to do that. Can anyone make it for me. | 20:06 |
| malev | the bug is; https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/451974 | 20:06 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 451974 in fglrx-installer "Black video minimizing Totem window" [Undecided,New] | 20:06 |
| * micahg is looking malev | 20:07 | |
| micahg | malev: idk...someone else should look at this | 20:09 |
| micahg | hggdh_: you available to look at a bug? | 20:09 |
| malev | micahg, what is idk? | 20:10 |
| micahg | malev: i don't know | 20:10 |
| malev | micahg, haha oks! thanks | 20:10 |
| * micahg doesn't know enough about compiz | 20:10 | |
| nperry | malev: | 20:13 |
| nperry | More debugging needs to be done i reckon | 20:13 |
| hggdh_ | micahg: yes | 20:13 |
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| malev | nperry, so, what do you suggest? | 20:14 |
| nperry | malev: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingCompiz | 20:14 |
| nperry | Give the Advanced instructions | 20:14 |
| malev | oks, but ... you think the user would be able to do all that? for exampla, that about running with a debbuger.. :s | 20:15 |
| nperry | It is advanced but i would see it needed by devs ( hggdh feel free to step in if you think im wrong, I'm a newb to :) ) | 20:17 |
| * hggdh is still trying to open the bug | 20:18 | |
| malev | [joker mode=on] hggdh looks like you're using a dial-up connection [joker mode=off] | 20:19 |
| hggdh | I wish... it would be faster :-( This is the customer-provided wifi access for external contractors... full of controls and bandwidth limitations | 20:21 |
| nperry | I dont miss dialup | 20:24 |
| nperry | Right im off for this evening, have a good one guys :) | 20:26 |
| nperry | thanks for your help today malev! | 20:26 |
| malev | good by nperry | 20:26 |
| WeatherGod | huh, that was weird | 20:27 |
| WeatherGod | for a while, it looked like everyone in this group exited except for a couple of other users | 20:28 |
| WeatherGod | I had to completely disconnect and then reconnect to get back | 20:28 |
| WeatherGod | go figure | 20:28 |
| hggdh | on this totem bug -- I run the free ATI drivers (radeon) and Compiz, so the OR should be able to also do it | 20:29 |
| hggdh | but the OR also ran some tests that seem to tie this to XVideo, so... a good option is to ask on the X channel | 20:30 |
| malev | hggdh, ... I don't understand... | 20:30 |
| malev | what is or? | 20:31 |
| maco | original reporter | 20:31 |
| hggdh | malev: the OR stated that s/he cannot test on the free X drivers because s/he is running compiz. This is not enterely correct. You *can* run Compiz, but it will be more restricted in terms of effects | 20:32 |
| hggdh | hey maco, long time! | 20:32 |
| malev | hggdh, oks! | 20:33 |
| maco | hggdh: i havent gone anywhere... | 20:33 |
| maco | hggdh: though ive probably been a bit more on the sponsorship end of bugs | 20:33 |
| malev | so, do you reccomend me to ask about this in the xchannel of ubuntu? | 20:33 |
| maco | thatd be #ubuntu-x | 20:33 |
| hggdh | no, it's I that have been here like a firefly... | 20:34 |
| WeatherGod | hggdh, do you happen to remember those update-manager bugs I was dealing with that were related to server overloads? | 20:34 |
| hggdh | malev: yes, this is the channel. Please ask.. and wait with patience | 20:34 |
| malev | hggdh, oks! I'm taking care of it. don't worry | 20:34 |
| WeatherGod | malev, LOTs of patience | 20:34 |
| hggdh | WeatherGod: yes, I think so. The 404s, right? | 20:34 |
| WeatherGod | yeah, do you want to see what I came up with? | 20:35 |
| hggdh | yes | 20:35 |
| WeatherGod | ok, in searching, I came across three categories of issues | 20:35 |
| WeatherGod | hang on, gotta load them up | 20:36 |
| WeatherGod | ok, the first category (although one of the dupes might need to be moved) is where users described what seemed to be basic server overload | 20:37 |
| WeatherGod | all of these happened around the same time | 20:37 |
| WeatherGod | I duped them all to bug 464087 | 20:38 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 464087 in update-manager "Upgrade to Kubuntu 9.10 failed because site became unavailable" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/464087 | 20:38 |
| WeatherGod | the second class of bugs happened at a much wider span of time over the past few months | 20:39 |
| WeatherGod | and these are 404s | 20:39 |
| WeatherGod | I duped them up to bug 489403 | 20:39 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 489403 in update-manager "Update Manager experiences problem upgrading to '9.10'" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/489403 | 20:39 |
| WeatherGod | the last class is interesting, and happened around the time of Karmic release | 20:40 |
| WeatherGod | I found 4 (maybe 5 cases) of "Hash Sum mismatch" and it seems that the local mirror did not get their files synced before being made available as a mirror | 20:41 |
| WeatherGod | I synced these up to bug 463435 | 20:41 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 463435 in update-manager "I was notified that upgrade was available, but it was not ready" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/463435 | 20:41 |
| hggdh | OK. and? | 20:42 |
| malev | hi folks! I'm comming back with answers from the ubuntu-x channel. | 20:42 |
| hggdh | malev: shoot ;-) | 20:42 |
| malev | they say: "fglrx is buggy with respect to having compositing and xvideo at the same time" | 20:42 |
| hggdh | heh | 20:42 |
| malev | fglrx is known to have problems with compositing and xvideo | 20:42 |
| malev | the problem is fglrx | 20:42 |
| hggdh | yes. Bad | 20:43 |
| malev | sad | 20:43 |
| hggdh | we will depend on ATI/AMD to fix it | 20:43 |
| hggdh | WeatherGod: and? | 20:43 |
| WeatherGod | well, that is the result of me scouring the update-manager bugs for issues regarding the last release | 20:44 |
| micahg | is ATI's bugtracker private? | 20:44 |
| malev | so, I think I'm gonna reply this to the user. But, what about the bug? should I change the status to invalid? | 20:44 |
| hggdh | malev: ask the OR to try Compiz with a free X driver -- hopefully there is one for his/her board -- and report back. Also tell the OR what you found (and consequences) | 20:44 |
| WeatherGod | hggdh, I think we can use this as evidence of needing better mirror management for Lucid release | 20:44 |
| micahg | WeatherGod: they took the PPA builders and used them as mirrors for release | 20:45 |
| malev | hggdh, oks! I'll do that. | 20:45 |
| WeatherGod | maybe even better behavior by update-manager to find an alternate mirror in the middle of the download process | 20:45 |
| hggdh | WeatherGod: I agree. Now, could you retitle the bugs so that indicate the type of issue they are dealing with? | 20:45 |
| WeatherGod | ok | 20:45 |
| * hggdh is listening to Beethoven's 9th, it is getting difficult to type while swinging with the orchestra | 20:46 | |
| WeatherGod | which one was the 9th symphony? | 20:47 |
| hggdh | the choral -- Oh Freunde, etc, etc | 20:47 |
| WeatherGod | ok, I can't get numbers straight in my head | 20:48 |
| WeatherGod | not familiar with that one | 20:48 |
| hggdh | the only symphony that has a chorus | 20:48 |
| WeatherGod | that's what I was wondering, cause I didn't know he did any | 20:48 |
| hggdh | and a fabulous bass (in von Karajan's second recording) | 20:48 |
| WeatherGod | nice | 20:49 |
| hggdh | although for me it is all sound, I cannot distinguish voice from instruments most of the time... | 20:49 |
| hggdh | I *know* it is a voice, I just cannot understand it | 20:50 |
| WeatherGod | really good a capella groups can get that good | 20:50 |
| WeatherGod | I heard a rendition of some of Pink Floyd's songs from Dark Side of the Moon that was hard to believe to be all voice | 20:51 |
| WeatherGod | there it is again! | 20:54 |
| hggdh | micahg: just for grins, fresh out of SANS: http://isc.sans.org/diary.html?storyid=7732&rss | 20:58 |
| micahg | hggdh: means that mozilla messaging will probably release an update to TB2 | 21:04 |
| hggdh | yeah. Anyway, I wonder about enigmail for tb3 | 21:04 |
| micahg | hggdh: maybe this weekend :) | 21:04 |
| hggdh | but I am not affected byt this issue on TB2) | 21:05 |
| micahg | first I have to get TB3 into lucid | 21:05 |
| micahg | then fix the dev files | 21:05 |
| micahg | then push enigmail | 21:05 |
| hggdh | agreed | 21:05 |
| WeatherGod | hggdh, I think I cleaned up those three | 21:06 |
| WeatherGod | bug 464087 | 21:06 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 464087 in update-manager "Upgrade to Karmic failed because site became unavailable during distribution release." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/464087 | 21:06 |
| WeatherGod | bug 489403 | 21:06 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 489403 in update-manager "Update Manager errors out on 404 Not Found rather than trying another mirror" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/489403 | 21:06 |
| WeatherGod | bug 463435 | 21:06 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 463435 in update-manager "I was notified that upgrade was available, but the local mirror was not ready" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/463435 | 21:06 |
| hggdh | WeatherGod: this last one is the hash checksum error, correct? | 21:07 |
| WeatherGod | right | 21:07 |
| hggdh | would it be a good idea to title it so, then? | 21:07 |
| WeatherGod | good point | 21:07 |
| hggdh | thank you. Sometimes I *do* have good point, although in a sparse way | 21:08 |
| WeatherGod | "Hash Sum mismatch error during Karmic release" | 21:09 |
| WeatherGod | ? | 21:09 |
| hggdh | I think just "update errors out with hash sum mismatch", or similar | 21:09 |
| hggdh | this is not specific to Karmic | 21:09 |
| hggdh | been around for quite some time | 21:09 |
| WeatherGod | ok | 21:10 |
| hggdh | anyway, I think this is, at the bottom, a race condition, and we will never be completely free of it | 21:10 |
| WeatherGod | but, update manager could handle it better by going elsewhere | 21:11 |
| WeatherGod | also, couldn't better design of mirror distribution improve this | 21:11 |
| WeatherGod | maybe incremental changes to the Packages list | 21:12 |
| hggdh | the problem with mirror distribution is that is it a volunteer service | 21:14 |
| WeatherGod | whoot! Nouveau is gonna be officially part of linux 2.6.33! | 21:14 |
| WeatherGod | well, what about the P2P methods I heard about? | 21:14 |
| hggdh | and each can have a different update schedule | 21:15 |
| hggdh | but, perhaps, something like torrenting might help | 21:15 |
| WeatherGod | that's true, but a mirror shouldn't advertise pacakges that it doesn't have yet | 21:15 |
| WeatherGod | that's why I am thinking that an incremental update to the Packages list as the mirror syncs would be best | 21:16 |
| hggdh | this is true (and is the 404s). They should first update the packages, then the lists | 21:16 |
| WeatherGod | or, to do snapshotting | 21:16 |
| WeatherGod | actually, a lot of those 404s are still 404s | 21:16 |
| hggdh | <sigh/> | 21:16 |
| WeatherGod | so, maybe their package lists were bad or errored? | 21:16 |
| hggdh | perhaps | 21:16 |
| WeatherGod | but, snapshotting should definitely be a possible approach | 21:17 |
| hggdh | but it is clear we could profit from a different approach | 21:17 |
| hggdh | yes | 21:17 |
| WeatherGod | serve out the snapshot while updating the package repo | 21:17 |
| WeatherGod | although, that might have problems when finished | 21:17 |
| hggdh | and try different mirrors if it fails on one | 21:17 |
| WeatherGod | definitely try different mirrors | 21:18 |
| hggdh | still, problems are possible | 21:18 |
| WeatherGod | right, as with all race conditions | 21:18 |
| hggdh | we will be exchanging a known issue with a brand new, unknown one :-) | 21:18 |
| WeatherGod | but we can certainly try to make Lucid release as smooth as possible | 21:18 |
| WeatherGod | especially since it will be a LTS | 21:18 |
| WeatherGod | heh | 21:19 |
| WeatherGod | well, just allow for better fail-over, and you shouldn't be any worse than before | 21:19 |
| hggdh | well, sort of. Every provider in the wild internet every so often hits the timeout issue | 21:19 |
| WeatherGod | yeah, but then the Update Manager could make for a nice, friendly message for handling that | 21:20 |
| WeatherGod | "Don't Panic" | 21:20 |
| hggdh | indeed, and this is something under *our* control, | 21:20 |
| WeatherGod | yes | 21:20 |
| hggdh | well, "don't panic, and grab a towel" | 21:21 |
| WeatherGod | that might be too long... | 21:21 |
| WeatherGod | :P | 21:21 |
| hggdh | but the towel is the most important piece ;-) | 21:21 |
| hggdh | brb | 21:21 |
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| WeatherGod | anyone got ideas for bug 495603 | 22:03 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 495603 in upstart "/var/log/messages is recieving messages 100+ messages a second (since Dec 7, 2009 (last update)) "Dec 11 13:38:47 taylor-laptop kernel: [103577.453350] CPU0: Temperature/speed normal" " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/495603 | 22:03 |
| awardle | Does anyone know what a orange alert is? It's written in bug 495677 | 22:15 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 495677 in linux "I was adding a user when I noticed the orange alert. System did NOT crash." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/495677 | 22:15 |
| Flannel | awardle: Does the box that pops up include an orange warning icon or something? | 22:18 |
| awardle | I don't know, it's in a bug report that I was trying to triage | 22:19 |
| Flannel | awardle: right, the description says "I saw the instructions below this box" which told the reporter to do the ubuntu-bug -p thing, perhaps "this box" is the orange alert he's referring to? | 22:20 |
| awardle | The orange alert is the logo for apport | 22:21 |
| joaopinto | how do I link a debian bug report from an LP bug ? | 22:30 |
| bdmurray | "also affects distribution" | 22:31 |
| awardle | on the bug page click "Also affects distribution" | 22:31 |
| joaopinto | awalton_, bdmurray tks | 22:33 |
| WeatherGod | hehe: I have no clue how this guy got his problem | 22:38 |
| WeatherGod | bug 495553 | 22:38 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 495553 in gdm "Screen origin shifted to center, screen wraps" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/495553 | 22:38 |
| joaopinto | is there a special procedure to file a bug against a translation ? | 22:44 |
| awardle | Is the translation for a product that uses lp for translations? | 22:47 |
| joaopinto | it's for software-center | 22:50 |
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| joaopinto | I guess it does | 22:50 |
| awardle | joaopinto: do you know what the translation should be | 22:51 |
| joaopinto | awalton_, yes | 22:52 |
| joaopinto | Free Software is translate fo free as in gratis, not as in libre | 22:52 |
| joaopinto | trasnlated | 22:52 |
| WeatherGod | wow, that's a glaring mistake | 22:54 |
| WeatherGod | gotta run... seeya all later | 22:55 |
| awardle | Sorry, what language do you want to change? | 22:59 |
| yoasif | hey guys, i have a weird gnome-panel bug that only happens in my user profile -- if i click on the menu, it segfaults, also if i do alt-f2, it segfaults. in a new user profile, i see none of these issues -- what is the easiest way to remove the settings for the panel but keep the layout? | 23:01 |
| joaopinto | awalton_, portuguese | 23:01 |
| awardle | joaopinto: Try going to https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+source/software-center/+pots/software-center/pt/+translate | 23:03 |
| awardle | joaopinto: Also my name is awardle not awalton_ | 23:04 |
| dogatemycomputer | Greetings. I am working on bug #492810 . Pedro Villavicencio asked the reporter to follow instructions found here here: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash | 23:16 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 492810 in nautilus "Nautilus uses 100% cpu after downloading torrent" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/492810 | 23:16 |
| dogatemycomputer | The instructions tell the reporter to import debug symbol archive signing keys using this command: "gpg --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-key 428D7C01 5E0577F2" | 23:17 |
| hggdh | dogatemycomputer: what can we do for you? | 23:17 |
| dogatemycomputer | Attempts to import those signing keys fail. | 23:18 |
| dogatemycomputer | the error is 'gpgkeys: HTTP fetch error 6: Couldn't resolve host 'keyserver.ubuntu.com'. | 23:18 |
| hggdh | dogatemycomputer: can you pastebin the output of the import key run? | 23:18 |
| hggdh | !pastebin | 23:18 |
| ubot4 | For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://tinyurl.com/imagebin | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic | 23:18 |
| dogatemycomputer | ahhh.. sorry hggdh. | 23:19 |
| hggdh | although I suspect you are running it under your own userId; it should be run as root. If this is the case, just preppend 'sudo ' to the command | 23:19 |
| dogatemycomputer | http://paste.ubuntu.com/339566/ | 23:19 |
| dogatemycomputer | Okay.. here is the sudo.. | 23:20 |
| hggdh | nope it is a name server resolution error | 23:20 |
| dogatemycomputer | http://paste.ubuntu.com/339567/ | 23:20 |
| dogatemycomputer | hggdh: I figured as much. | 23:20 |
| dogatemycomputer | hggdh: Are you saying this is my client failing to properly resolve the name or the server has been moved and the incorrect IP is being provided to the client? | 23:21 |
| hggdh | dogatemycomputer: now you have Yet Another Issue (TM) ;-) | 23:21 |
| hggdh | dogatemycomputer: I just tried to get to k.u.c, and it failed the same | 23:21 |
| dogatemycomputer | hggdh: I just find it frustrating when people point users to documentation that clearly fails. | 23:21 |
| dogatemycomputer | hggdh: So.. file a bug report? :-) | 23:21 |
| awardle | when I tried I could get to k.u.c fine | 23:22 |
| dogatemycomputer | Please define k.u.c.? What does that mean? | 23:22 |
| dogatemycomputer | (sorry for my ignorance) | 23:22 |
| hggdh | dogatemycomputer: please keep in mind that these documents can always be updated. | 23:23 |
| hggdh | keyserver.ubuntu.com (easier to write k.u.c) | 23:23 |
| dogatemycomputer | ahhh.. | 23:23 |
| hggdh | sorry | 23:24 |
| awardle | hggdh: Can you ping | 23:24 |
| dogatemycomputer | awardle: are you saying that you are able to fetch the keys from the k.u.c? | 23:24 |
| awardle | dogatemycomputer: Yes | 23:25 |
| hggdh | awardle: ping gets no response | 23:25 |
| dogatemycomputer | awardle: can you provide the IP address of the keyserver then? That may be a temporary solution to a more permanent problem? | 23:25 |
| dogatemycomputer | awardle: unless there is some reason why it would work for you but fail for us? | 23:25 |
| hggdh | hum. Now I could get to it... | 23:26 |
| awardle | dogatemycomputer: Its 91.189.94.173 | 23:26 |
| dogatemycomputer | awardle: I graduated from "cannot resolve" to "error 7, failed to connect" | 23:26 |
| hggdh | dogatemycomputer: heh. give me two minutes | 23:27 |
| dogatemycomputer | hggdh: okay.. now it is responding.. | 23:27 |
| dogatemycomputer | hggdh: strange.. | 23:27 |
| hggdh | dogatemycomputer: try 'sudo apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys 428D7C01 5E0577F2' | 23:29 |
| hggdh | and, if it works fine, I will update the wiki | 23:29 |
| dogatemycomputer | hggdh: works fine.. | 23:30 |
| dogatemycomputer | hggdh: for some reason.. the current code started working too.. even thought it failed the first several times. | 23:31 |
| hggdh | dogatemycomputer: good, one less peeble in the way | 23:31 |
| hggdh | this may have been a temporary issue on k.u.c, then | 23:31 |
| dogatemycomputer | hggdh: hahahaha.. well.. I think that's how you move the proverbial mountain.. | 23:31 |
| hggdh | well, indeed, one peeble at a time | 23:31 |
| dogatemycomputer | hggdh: well.. thanks for the help! Now i'm going to go try to help the customer. I hope you have a great weekend!! | 23:31 |
| hggdh | dogatemycomputer: same to you. Anything, holler, someone will help you | 23:32 |
| yofel | can someone set bug 407779 to triaged? thx | 23:38 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 407779 in software-properties "no manual entry for add-apt-respository" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/407779 | 23:38 |
| hggdh | yofel: done. I adjusted the bug title and the package | 23:43 |
| hggdh | no, not the package | 23:43 |
| hggdh | title and importance | 23:43 |
| hggdh | yofel: thank you, BTW | 23:44 |
| yofel | you're welcome | 23:49 |
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