[04:03] <greg-g> Wait, no dinosaurs allowed? What did they ever do to you?!
[07:09] <bittin> Hello, anyone know if there are a Ubuntu One Client that works for Debian
[08:05] <rtgz> No, the usage of symlinks for "Shared With Me" is evil. If an emblem is applied to some file, then all symlinks of that file will have this emblem. That's ok. The issue is that we cannot apply an emblem to the file that was not handled by Nautilus to us through NautilusFileInfo...
[11:19] <madadam> Hi! Is it possible to add different folders to sync with ubuntuone from the client? Is it possible connect to ubuntu one server via ftp?
[11:24] <aquarius> madadam, it's not yet possible to make different folders sync with Ubuntu One, but it will be for the Ubuntu 10.04 release; we're working on that right now.
[11:29] <madadam> aquarius ok
[11:30] <madadam> but wouldn't be it easier to use ftp^?
[11:34] <aquarius> I don't know if we've looked at ftp in detail. We've thought about other ways of accessing your data, other than through the Ubuntu One client and through the web (for example, webdav), but that's not planned for Lucid. We'd certainly like to do it in the future, though
[13:36] <alecu> hello!
[13:41] <aquarius> hi alecu!
[13:42] <alecu> hi aquarius!
[13:42] <alecu> aquarius, I'm supposed to meet statik around here
[13:42] <aquarius> alecu, he'll be around, but he may not be in yet; not sure what time it is where he is, but I think it's pretty early :)
[13:43] <alecu> aquarius, thanks!
[14:17] <statik> hi alecu
[14:17] <alecu> oh, hi statik!
[14:18] <alecu> I was just about to email you.
[14:42] <urbanape> morning, folks
[14:46] <verterok> hi alecu
[15:00] <urbanape> awooooga
[15:00] <CardinalFang> Desktop+ MEETING BEGINS.  Say 'me' to claim a slice of the stand-up meeting, then take your turn by saying DONE/TODO/BLOCKED.
[15:00] <urbanape> me
[15:00] <jblount> me
[15:00] <CardinalFang> me
[15:01] <vds> me
[15:01] <aquarius> me
[15:02] <rodrigo_> me
[15:02] <teknico> me
[15:03] <urbanape> shall we start?
[15:03] <dobey> me
[15:03] <urbanape> DONE: Submitted the lazr-js-trunk branch, but it failed. I'm not authorised. *sniff*. Created a branch to fix #354174.
[15:03] <urbanape> TODO: Get lazr-js-trunk branch landed, get new-folder-inline-edit branch reviewed and landed, get fix-lp-354174 done and proposed. Listen to more The Bird and the Bee.
[15:03] <urbanape> BLOCK: None
[15:03] <urbanape> jblount, HAMMERTIME
[15:03] <jblount> DONE: Reviewed a branch, learned about email stuff in django needlessly,
[15:03] <jblount> TODO: Review day! Sort MT's web ui issue list into bugs, HR stuff
[15:03] <jblount> BLOCKED: Nope
[15:03] <jblount> CardinalFang: YOU! <insert CardinalFang's ringtone>
[15:04] <CardinalFang> DONE: Added rev attribute on Record type.
[15:04] <CardinalFang> TODO: Make update for desktopcouch to fix pid/port race; it happens more than I thought.  Release d-c 0.6.
[15:04] <CardinalFang> BLOCKED: Visit doctor in 30 min.
[15:04] <CardinalFang> vds, go
[15:04] <vds> DONE: planning and code review, checking sync
[15:04] <vds> TODO: 30 free plans #403941 already started
[15:04] <vds> BLOCKED: nope
[15:04] <vds> aquarius: go go go!
[15:04] <aquarius> ⚀ DONE: work out how music store stuff all fits together
[15:04] <aquarius> ⚁ TODO: make tomboy first-sync experience nicer; continue work on desktopcouch developer docs; write up things learned at UDS/sprint; work with rodrigo on Music Store, some more music store architecture planning; step-by-step guide to what happens during contact sync; write "pipe" to transfer data between two HTTP connections with twisted 9.0; write lazr-js branch; be frustrated with lack of progress
[15:05] <aquarius> ⚂ BLOCKED: music partner
[15:05] <aquarius> rodrigo, rodrigo, no-one like rodrigo
[15:05] <vds> rodrigo_:
[15:05] <rodrigo_> • DONE: XML<->HTML fixes. Face and review duty. Added missing support for regular expressions to evolution-couchdb. Copied latest stable packages from beta PPA to Stable PPA (should we use that?). Packaged evolution-couchdb with patch for regular expressions in beta PPA. More contacts picker work
[15:05] <rodrigo_> • TODO: Conflict resolver tool in pair tool. Look at becoming a MOTU (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopers). Make sandy's snowy test suite work with our server (http://git.gnome.org/cgit/snowy/tree/api/tests.py). Discuss with jdo and aquarius about oauth token per app, not per machine? Look at Canola
[15:05] <rodrigo_> • BLOCKED: no
[15:06] <rodrigo_> teknico: go
[15:06] <teknico> DONE: discussed contact conflicts with thisfred and aquarius, discussed nested contact categories with many people, work on fixing timestamps for Funambol with vds (#399200)
[15:06] <teknico> TODO: finish fixing timestamps for Funambol with thisfred and vds (#399200), finish disabling free phone sync after 30 days (#403941)
[15:06] <teknico> BLOCK: none
[15:06] <teknico> next: dobey
[15:06] <dobey> ☺ DONE: Client backports and verification,
[15:06] <dobey> ☹ TODO: Planning, Infrastructure needs notes, 1.0.3 client release, SRU packages
[15:06] <dobey> ☹ BLCK: None.
[15:06] <dobey> anyone else? Chipaca ?
[15:06] <teknico> aquarius, can't sing underscores? ;-)
[15:06] <Chipaca> me!
[15:06] <rodrigo_> aquarius: you missed the magic work, yeah, which is '_'
[15:06] <aquarius> bah
[15:07] <aquarius> sheer laziness on my part :P
[15:07] <Chipaca> umm... DONE: planning. TODO: planning. BLOCKED: planning. PLANNING: planning
[15:07] <dobey> aquarius: not lazy enough. you didn't use tab completion :)
[15:07] <dobey> Chipaca: has your hair turned all pointy yet?
[15:07] <rodrigo_> :)
[15:07] <teknico> with nested groups, this wouldn't have happened! ;-P
[15:08] <Chipaca> dobey: planning planning planning, planning planning planning. Planning, planning planning planning.
[15:08] <urbanape> It's like he's trying to communicate with us.
[15:08]  * dobey gives Chipaca a scooby snack
[15:09]  * CardinalFang tries to scan it like "Buffalo buffalo...".
[15:09] <Chipaca> CardinalFang: I was trying for "chicken chicken chicken", myself
[15:10] <Chipaca> CardinalFang: as in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yL_-1d9OSdk
[15:10] <CardinalFang> Chipaca, mine as in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffalo_buffalo_Buffalo_buffalo_buffalo_buffalo_Buffalo_buffalo
[15:13] <Chipaca> heh, neat
[15:31] <dobey> clearly, part of the planning needs to allocate time for reading wikipedia entries, and watching youtube videos
[15:32] <statik> "user research"
[15:34] <urbanape> Hmm, standing desk is okay, but I really dig my POÄNG
[15:35] <urbanape> I hate that I can't add a bug from just about anywhere on launchpad.
[15:37] <urbanape> Guess I'll just make some bookmarks.
[15:50] <statik> hi Chipaca, got a minute?
[16:04] <urbanape> rmcbride: any idea if I can/should resubmit my branch to pqm yet?
[16:05] <rmcbride> urbanape: waiting on the RT to get fulfilled
[16:05] <urbanape> k, no rush, just wondering which of my browser tabs I should keep around.
[17:18] <mattgriffin> jj_galvez: so you're running ff 3.5.5 and you're having trouble getting your laptop to connect/register to ubuntuone. It's not on your account list and when you hit the connect button on the applet nothing happens. right?
[17:18] <jj_galvez> mattgriffin: correct
[17:19] <mattgriffin> jj_galvez: ubuntu 9.04, 9.10, or 10.04?
[17:19] <jj_galvez> mattgriffin: 9.10
[17:20] <mattgriffin> jj_galvez: open Applications > Accessories > Passwords & Encryption Keys please
[17:20] <jj_galvez> mattgriffin: opened
[17:20] <mattgriffin> jj_galvez: is there an entry under the "Passwords" tab for "UbuntuOne token..."?
[17:22] <jj_galvez> mattgriffin: no only passwords:login and opening that does not show ubuntuone either
[17:22] <mattgriffin> jj_galvez: ok. 1 min. brb.
[17:29] <mattgriffin> jj_galvez: are you behind a proxy server on your network?
[17:30] <jj_galvez> no proxy, but I am behind a NAT on a private network (standard DSL setup) and my desktop is currently connected to ubuntuone
[17:30] <mattgriffin> jj_galvez: and your desktop is on the same network as your laptop?
[17:30] <jj_galvez> mattgriffin: yes
[17:31] <mattgriffin> jj_galvez: have you altered any of the applet preferences like up/down speed?
[17:32] <jj_galvez> mattgriffin: only to have the icon show all the time
[17:34] <Chipaca> jj_galvez: hi
[17:34] <jj_galvez> Chipaca: Hi
[17:34] <Chipaca> jj_galvez: I'm afraid I missed some of the backlog
[17:34] <Chipaca> jj_galvez: can you do apt-cache policy ubuntuone-client, and copy the output of that into http://pastebin.ubuntu.com, and then paste the url in here?
[17:35] <jj_galvez> Chipaca: sure
[17:35] <Chipaca> (a procedure I will henceforth call "pastebinning" :) )
[17:36] <jj_galvez> here is my pastebin: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/339363/
[17:38] <Chipaca> jj_galvez: OK, that's correct. One thing to note is that you have the jaunty ppa enabled still, you probbably want to disable that (via system -> admin -> software sources)
[17:39] <jj_galvez> Chipaca: got it, doing that right now
[17:39] <Chipaca> jj_galvez: ok, so, meanwhile: you do have the applet running?
[17:40] <jj_galvez> Chipaca: yes its running and showing a red x
[17:40] <Chipaca> jj_galvez: and when you click on it, it lists "connect", right?
[17:41] <Chipaca> in the dropdown that appears on left click I mean
[17:41] <jj_galvez> Chipaca: yes there is a connect option
[17:41] <Chipaca> jj_galvez: and what happens when you click that?
[17:42] <jj_galvez> Chipaca: nothing that I can tell
[17:42] <Chipaca> jj_galvez: ok
[17:42] <Chipaca> jj_galvez: please open a terminal (applications -> accessories -> terminal)
[17:43] <jj_galvez> Chipaca: opened
[17:43] <Chipaca> d'oh, you know that, for the apt-cache thing :)
[17:43] <jj_galvez> Chipaca: ok
[17:43] <Chipaca> jj_galvez: ok, do: killall ubuntuone-client-applet ubuntuone-syncdaemon
[17:43] <jj_galvez> Chipaca: all dead
[17:44] <Chipaca> jj_galvez: ok, now do: u1sync --authorize
[17:45] <Chipaca> jj_galvez: oh, wait, maybe that's not needed. Hold on.
[17:46] <Chipaca> jj_galvez: but just in case: that opened a browser window, right? after asking you about the keyring?
[17:46] <jj_galvez> Chipaca: nope it's giving me an error and hanging, I'ii pastebin the error
[17:47] <Chipaca> jj_galvez: ok
[17:47] <jj_galvez> Chipaca: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/339370/
[17:47] <Chipaca> jj_galvez: you don't use networkmanager
[17:48] <jj_galvez> Chipaca: I'm using wicd, on both my desktop and labtop
[17:48] <mattgriffin> jj_galvez: but ubuntu one works on your desktop, right?
[17:48] <jj_galvez> mattgriffin: correct, working fine on the desktop
[17:49] <Chipaca> jj_galvez: unfortunately right now we have a dependency on network manager
[17:49] <rtgz> dobey, I am afraid the fastest thing with $most_favorite_bug is to treat 'Shared With Me' as a special case for directory (you probably hate me by now :) )
[17:49] <rtgz> jj_galvez, you might be running a PPA version on the desktop that has such dependency fixed, you might need to start using ubuntuone PPA for laptop as well
[17:50] <Chipaca> we fixed that dependency?
[17:50] <rtgz> Chipaca, yup
[17:50] <Chipaca> rtgz: by being explicit about it, or what?
[17:50] <rtgz> Chipaca, it continues to work when NM service is unreachable
[17:50] <Chipaca> ah, but that's syncdaemon
[17:50] <Chipaca> hmm
[17:51] <rtgz> Chipaca, the fix is in PPA only, syncdaemon was OK with missing NM, but OAuth part was not fixed in karmic release.
[17:51] <Chipaca> sweet, I didn't know we'd gotten round to it
[17:52] <Chipaca> jj_galvez: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntuone/beta should do it (note that that is the beta ppa, which is bleedingedger - but you were using it in jaunty anyway)
[17:53] <dobey> Chipaca: there was a bug in oauthdesktop stuff too
[17:53] <dobey> Chipaca: i fixed it right before UDS actually
[17:53] <dobey> rtgz: i'm preparing a stable release right now, which also has that fix
[17:53] <rmcbride> well it's bleeding edge-ish. Packages do get the once over in the nightly PPA before I put them in beta
[17:54] <rmcbride> oh cool
[17:54] <dobey> should be available in SRU probably in the first few days next week
[17:54] <jj_galvez> Chipaca: rtgz : ok I am going to try the update now, update manager wants to do a kernel update as well so It will take a few minutes, I'll come back and let you all know how it goes
[17:54] <dobey> i wouldn't generally recommend people to use the beta PPA
[17:54] <rtgz> dobey, have you browsed my nautilus-extension branch?
[17:54] <Chipaca> dobey: I don't in general :)
[17:55] <dobey> rtgz: skimmed quickly
[17:55] <dobey> rtgz: but i've been busy backporting stuff and working on getting stable release and SRU done
[17:55] <dobey> and will be done with that shortly
[17:56] <rtgz> dobey, okay, is the new code already available, just to make sure that something that is fixed in my branch (there are minor fixes, but still worth including) don't get posponet till next SRU...
[17:56] <dobey> rtgz: we can do another SRU next week
[17:57] <dobey> rtgz: there are several major/critical fixes we need to get out for karmic asap
[17:57] <rtgz> This Christmas: On Ubuntu Channels: SRU week!
[18:19] <Chipaca> 此QQ版本不支持超级群 啊! 郁闷!
[18:19] <Chipaca> I'm not sure what that means, but it sounds serious
[18:19] <Chipaca> (from a bug re ubuntuone)
[18:20] <dobey> i think it means you need to practice your japanese
[18:21] <Chipaca> I've stopped with the languages for a while
[18:50] <dobey> yay
[18:50] <dobey> 1.0.3 tarball done and on the lp page
[18:50] <dobey> now to do the packaging for SRUs
[18:52] <Chipaca> dobey: how comes the spec for tarmac work?
[18:52] <dobey> Chipaca: was waiting to do it after i get the SRUs uploaded, since that's more important
[18:53] <Chipaca> dobey: ok
[18:53] <dobey> Chipaca: but on that note, it looks like rockstar has one of the major things done already
[18:53] <Chipaca> \o/ woo.
[19:13] <jimjimovich> I can't get ubuntu one client to connect anymore, any ideas?
[19:27] <jcastro> dobey: is there a fix for u1 asking the keyring to ask me for a password on every log in?
[19:28] <dobey> jcastro: do you use automatic login?
[19:28] <jcastro> yep
[19:28] <jj_galvez> mattgriffin-afk: Chipaca: rtgz: Thank you all for you help with ubuntuone, after updating to the beta ppa version of ubuntuone my laptop connected and registered and I can now sync correctly :)
[19:28] <dobey> jcastro: change your keyring password to be blank, or don't do automatic login
[19:28] <jcastro> :-/
[19:28] <Chipaca> jj_galvez: awesome
[19:29] <dobey> jcastro: there's nothing we can do in ubuntu one, outside of not using the keyring to store credentials, which is a generally bad idea
[19:29] <Chipaca> jj_galvez: as per dobey's suggestion wrt the beta ppa, unless you're really confortable with it breaking every so often I'd say disable the ppa as soon as the version in ubuntu catches up
[19:30] <dobey> the "version in ubuntu" won't catch up with the beta PPA until lucid :)
[19:30] <Chipaca> jcastro: you could have ubuntuone not start :)
[19:30] <Chipaca> dobey: ppa is still 1.1x vs 1.0x?
[19:30] <jj_galvez> Chipaca: sounds like a good idea, maybe I'll just disable the ppa and pin it for a while
[19:30] <dobey> Chipaca: yes, nightlies/beta are from trunk
[19:31] <dobey> Chipaca: but the stable PPA will be useful for people to add
[19:31] <dobey> Chipaca: by people there i mean karmic/jaunty users
[19:31] <Chipaca> dobey: is that ppa:ubuntuone/stable ?
[19:31] <dobey> Chipaca: yep
[19:32] <Chipaca> dobey: and does that right now have the same fixes as /beta?
[19:32] <dobey> not right now, no
[19:32] <Chipaca> dobey: soon?
[19:32] <dobey> but it will have the new stable releases soon
[19:33] <Chipaca> jj_galvez: so... as per dobey's recommendation as I read it now, remove the /beta ppa, add the /stable one, and as soon as a new version of stable lands, downgrade manually
[19:34] <Chipaca> j_galvez: that would be something along the lines of apt-get install {python-ubuntuone-client,ubuntuone-client{,-gnome,-tools}}=1.0.somethingsomethingsomething (as per the output of apt-cache policy)
[19:35] <jj_galvez> Chipaca: ok so what is the PPA for the stable branch?
[19:35] <dobey> and python-ubuntuone-storageprotocol=1.0.1
[19:35] <dobey> jj_galvez: ppa:ubuntuone/stable
[19:36] <dobey> jj_galvez: you can just edit the current entr{y,ies} and replace /beta with /stable
[19:36]  * Chipaca hugs the ppa:<project>/<ppa name> thing
[19:36] <dobey> s/project/person or team/
[19:36] <Chipaca> dobey: yeah, that
[19:37] <jj_galvez> Chipaca: dobey: Ok so just to make sure I've got it right, disable the beta ppa and enable the stable one, When the new version of u1 lands in the stable branch downgrade to that one, which will be a 1.0x version -- is that correct?
[19:38] <Chipaca> jj_galvez: correct
[19:38] <jj_galvez> Chipaca: got it thanks I'll do that now
[20:20] <jcastro> dobey: is there a bug for autologin and apps someplace that you happen to know about? I notice u1 isn't the only one
[20:20] <jcastro> I'd like to follow along
[20:24] <dobey> jcastro: the keyring thing?
[20:24] <jcastro> it seems that when autologin is enabled nm spams me too
[20:24] <dobey> jcastro: i don't know if there is one filed against keyring or gdm, but gdm is probably the place for it
[20:24] <jcastro> ah ok
[20:24] <jcastro> ta
[20:25] <dobey> jcastro: yes, because autologin doesn't use the password, so it can't unlock your keyring
[20:25] <statik> join #terminator
[20:25] <dobey> jcastro: autologin is insecure. so you might as well just make your keyring insecure too :)
[20:26] <jcastro> yeah, I just don't need the keyring is all, it's my house, if the guy is already in my basement I'm already doomed.
[20:26] <dobey> right
[20:26] <dobey> so just change they keyring password to blank
[20:27] <dobey> and then it will work
[20:27] <jcastro> yeah
[20:27] <jcastro> so I go in there and delete in seahorse
[20:27] <jcastro> but then it prompts me anyway
[20:27] <jcastro> I'll mess with it
[20:27] <dobey> did you delete the keyring, or change the password?
[20:27] <jcastro> deleted it so it would prompt me for a new one
[20:28] <dobey> you might have to log out, delete the file on disk, and then log in
[20:28] <statik> if you open passwords and encryption keys, go to the passwords tab, right click on login, it lets you change the password
[20:28] <statik> i've gotten that to work with autologin before
[20:29] <jcastro> omg, that did it
[20:29] <jcastro> thank you!
[20:31] <dobey> yeah, that should work too
[20:31] <dobey> but deleting in seahorse might be problematic :)
[21:24] <CardinalFang> statik, I have a release/LP question for you.  I think there's a bug in Karmic desktopcouch that is worth fixing.  I've gone back to the rev for karmic and added a commit, and pushed that branch to launchpad.  How should I make that a new tip to work from?  Is that a new "series"?
[21:25]  * statik looks at launchpad
[21:25] <CardinalFang> statik, So far, there is only "trunk" series for d-c.
[21:26] <statik> CardinalFang: dobey would know for sure since he's done it for ubuntuone-client. I think yes, you would fork off a series from the 0.5 release that was in karmic
[21:26] <statik> so you have a place to release 0.5.1 from
[21:26] <dobey> yeah
[21:26] <dobey> branch from the stable revision
[21:27] <dobey> and make a new series in launchpad
[21:27] <dobey> and push the branch to lp:~ubuntuone-control-tower/desktopcouch/stable-0-5
[21:27] <dobey> (and call the series stable-0-5)
[21:27] <dobey> and then link the branch to the series in the lp ui
[21:28] <dobey> i typed all that for nothign!
[21:29] <dobey> CardinalXiminez_: a pox upon your ISP!
[21:29] <dobey> nice
[21:38] <CardinalXiminez_> Sorry, dobey.  What?
[21:39] <dobey> 16:26 < dobey> branch from the stable revision
[21:39] <dobey> 16:27 < dobey> and make a new series in launchpad
[21:39] <dobey> 16:27 < dobey> and push the branch to  lp:~ubuntuone-control-tower/desktopcouch/stable-0-5
[21:39] <dobey> 16:27 < dobey> (and call the series stable-0-5)
[21:39] <dobey> 16:27 < dobey> and then link the branch to the series in the lp ui
[21:40] <CardinalFang> dobey, rawk.  Thanks.
[22:15] <CardinalFang> thisfred, this is my conservative change to karmic's package.  Please eyeball it for me.
[22:15] <CardinalFang> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~cmiller/desktopcouch/karmic/revision/96
[22:18] <thisfred> CardinalFang: I see nothing wrong with that
[22:19] <CardinalFang> thisfred, thanks.
[22:20] <thisfred> np
[22:21] <CardinalFang> Alright, I have a stable series with signed release tarballs for 0.5.1 and a new 0.6 release with signed tarballs.  I'll harass james_w about new lucid and updating karmic on Moon-day.
[22:21] <CardinalFang> G'night, all.