[00:04] Damn, tinypic is slow today or my internet sucks [00:04] http://i50.tinypic.com/2d1s9ox.png [00:04] In the pic, you can see where the task panel is [00:04] But the movie player won't go FULL screen. [00:05] And that's where you can see the gap in the back with the other windows behind it [00:05] hmm, weird [00:05] I can't maximize ANY window to occupy the full screen [00:05] baniirachan, what happens when you press F11? [00:05] I get same result [00:05] okay.. [00:05] that's really weird [00:06] which xubuntu version are you running? [00:06] I believe it's the latest, 9.10 [00:07] 'lsb_release -a' in terminal, please :) [00:08] Distributor ID: Ubuntu [00:08] Description: Ubuntu 9.10.1 [00:08] Release: 9.10 [00:08] Codename: koala [00:08] okay [00:09] have you changed the theme? (the default is dark) [00:09] No, theme is the same [00:09] So far, everything is still default. [00:09] this is an upgrade? [00:09] No, clean install [00:09] are you sure you are not running gnome? [00:10] How would I know the difference? I installed straight from xubuntu live disk and it says "let xfce manage windows" [00:10] Plus I don't have any gnome apps. [00:11] baniirachan, well, i wonder this because as i said, the default xubuntu theme for 9.10 is dark. can you pastebin your 'ps -A' ? [00:11] (or alternatively, see if there is xfce4-session) [00:11] that does look like xfce, but it's still weird :) [00:12] http://pastebin.ca/1710346 [00:12] I didn't find xfce4-session verbatim [00:13] yes, that is xfce [00:13] the process to look after was xfwm4, my mistake :) [00:13] Ah, np [00:14] One thing I should mention [00:14] okay? :) [00:14] Is that it's running on a dell inspiron [00:14] But I'm using an external monitor [00:14] hmm [00:14] A viewsonic 19" [00:14] that might be the cause [00:14] Everytime I try to change resolution though [00:14] It goes out to no signal [00:14] does it look like the are that totem is taking is the resolution of the dell? [00:15] (the dell is supposedly widescreen, but the viewsonic not?) [00:15] Both are not widescreen [00:15] hmm... [00:15] This inspiron is ome 7 years old [00:15] *ome [00:15] **some [00:15] is the resolution same on both displays? [00:15] Which is why I put Xubuntu on it ;) [00:16] I don't know. I'm using an external because the monitor in the inspiron is dead [00:16] How would I test that? [00:16] a-ha.. :) [00:16] don't know. [00:16] it's a weird situation [00:16] totem clearly think it's on a widescreen monitor [00:16] +s [00:17] have you tried other media players, like vlc? [00:17] Is there any way [00:17] do they do the same? [00:17] Well it's not just totem like I aid [00:17] oh, right [00:17] *said [00:17] It's all [00:17] Window [00:17] exactly [00:17] *Windows, damn this S key [00:17] Yeah [00:17] what does applications -> settings -> display say? [00:17] I would like anyone to give me a good address on how to install applications to my xubuntu... I am total beginner and used windows since born... [00:17] But uh, yeah. Is there any way to perhaps remove the Dell display [00:18] al2cand, in the applications menu, do you see a "add/remove applications" link? [00:18] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingSoftware [00:18] @al2cand [00:18] yes [00:19] al2cand, well, try that... :) [00:19] Btw, the resolution just says default [00:19] baniirachan, right [00:19] !resolution [00:19] The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type « sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart » in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Resolution [00:19] But is there any way I could stop Xubuntu from detecting the Dell monitor? [00:19] I think that would help [00:19] baniirachan, see the latest link. i think setting the native resolution of the external monitor in the x configuration file could help [00:19] ok, i would have tought there would exit some kind of executable into the .zip application downloaded [00:20] baniirachan, i don't think so... [00:20] I'm sure there is. Just neither one of us knows how =P [00:20] baniirachan, but you could try the x conf file method [00:20] I'm a script noob [00:20] I will shortly. Thx [00:20] baniirachan, i'm totally not a linux noob, but just can't think of any easy solution for that. [00:20] I didn't say you were. [00:21] hehe, i didn't say you said :) [00:21] Alrighty [00:21] just to mention it's probably not easy/usual to do that [00:21] baniirachan, what kinda vid card do you have? what driver are you using? [00:21] i've never bumped into this kind of situation earlier [00:22] al2cand, which application are you trying to install? [00:23] I'm using a mobile radeon 7500 lol [00:23] iria, OOo, xpaint ... I am currently donaloading the new apps via the add application section [00:23] And it's the standard xorg ati driver [00:23] al2cand, yes, that's the way it's supposed to be done in ubuntu(linux) [00:23] will xubuntu 9.10 lts include xfce 4.? is there any plan for that? [00:23] al2cand, you shouldn't need to download any files manually :) [00:23] hello 2 all [00:23] :D [00:24] *xfce 4.8 [00:24] you mean 10.04? [00:24] yeah [00:24] djura-san, 10.04 is the next lts, probably it'll have 4.6, unless 4.8 is released really soon and is really bugfree, which i doubt. [00:24] ok [00:24] we want as stable LTS as possible [00:24] it should be released (xfce 4.8) in q1 2010 [00:24] so we are not risking it with too fresh stuff [00:25] ooo [00:25] so you are xubuntu devs? [00:25] djura-san, i know, i'm in contact with the xfce devs also [00:25] djura-san, yes, i'm the marketing lead [00:25] nice to meet you :) [00:25] djura-san, nice to meet you too [00:25] so i have another question: will 10.04 include gimp? [00:25] i now that ubuntu will not [00:25] djura-san, not by default [00:25] aha [00:26] djura-san, it will stay in the repositories, i suppose [00:26] (why wouldn't it...) [00:26] and i have a lot of other questions... i used xubuntu for a long time but without interent (yeah, it is pain GREAT pain) [00:27] heh, okay, feel free to ask [00:28] why totem over mplayer? Mplayer has its own firefox plugin, mplayer is beter than totem (personal xp). I had many times errors with totem playing some clips [00:28] besides that is uses gstreamer [00:28] totem has been the default for a long time [00:29] i know [00:29] for the lts we are probably not going to change that [00:29] but after that, we might switch to parole, which is a new xfce media/video player [00:29] (and probably will do that, if the development of parole is continued) [00:30] i used it a little in fedora 12 but not enough... [00:30] it's not ready to be the default player yet [00:31] djura-san, there is a conversation going about the default application choices in xubuntu-devel mailing list (see https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2009-December/thread.html, thread "idea for lucid...") [00:31] so form your pow, why is totem favored over mplayer? I mean mplayer plays all possible codecs so i always asked myself why totem? Gxine was good but mplayer never failed in any task+ you can convert/extract files in mplayer [00:31] okay i will check it out [00:32] djura-san, you can also subscribe the list and give your own opinions if you're interested [00:32] well, i think it's just inherited again and again and there hasn't been any concerns about changing [00:33] also totem is quite a basic player, which is always ++ for a default xubuntu application [00:33] okay [00:33] what about bluetooth? [00:33] any chance to get that by default? [00:33] its only 1-2mb [00:33] that's an interesting question [00:34] maybe if it was working a bit better? [00:34] how so? [00:34] thanks knome [00:35] al2cand, no problem [00:35] djura-san, we don't want to ship broken packages [00:35] it works enough to use it on everyday basis. [00:35] djura-san, maybe you should propose that on the -devel list [00:35] djura-san, i have no answers on why it is not installed [00:36] yeah. im kinda new to mailing lists so i will try to use it more :) [00:36] djura-san, when you've subscribed, just send mail to xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com and it will be forwarded to anybody on the list [00:37] djura-san, also, you'll get all the messages sent to that address [00:37] okay [00:37] so it basically is a e-mail collector that ships all mails to my inbox? [00:37] djura-san, kind of yeah. [00:38] djura-san, only that it ships them to everybody on the list [00:38] djura-san, that's how the lists work [00:38] well its simple [00:38] anyway [00:38] it is :) [00:40] you will continue to include office on alternate disc? Im using desktop edition now but i really hate desktop installer and lack of oo.org so i will start transmission [00:41] djura-san, openoffice.org will not be included by default, but you can always install it from the repositories, naturally [00:41] abiword and gnumeric(?) will continue being installed by default [00:41] i know that but in previous releases there was oo on alternate disk. Is it on 9.10? [00:42] djura-san, if openoffice has been on any cd, that's been a bug. [00:42] is there a way to install OOo via a zipfile on my usb without having to download it again through add apps. [00:42] djura-san, if i am correct. :) [00:43] al2cand, i suppose there is, but installing through add applications is safer if you are not exactly sure what you are doing [00:44] knome, there was oo in xubuntu alternate disk. i used it to install xubuntu on offline computers (dont remeber version of xubuntus). I should check my cd rack [00:44] ok, I'm not.. so I'll keep it simple [00:44] djura-san, oh, right. i'm not sure about that. [00:44] djura-san, i haven't used the alternate cd myself [00:45] thank you for answers :) [00:45] no problem, happy to help you [00:48] oh yeah: why there are no text editors with syntax highlight in xubuntu? Mousepad is good but its like notepad. Are there plans to use some other editor? [00:50] djura-san, syntax highlighting is not a totally trivial thing to include to a text editor. gedit does that, but it's a bit too heavy for a text editor, we think. i've been asking the xfce devs to include bg/fg color changing support for mousepad for start [00:50] then maybe later they'll add syntax highlighting, but i know that's not high on their priority list [00:50] also the xubuntu developers do not have the time to do that [00:51] i know [00:51] its up to xfce devs [00:51] if they did have that much time, they'd probably use it to even more important things :) [00:51] yeah, it's been discussed lately [00:51] vim is all you need! ;P [00:51] they have a new branch of the mousepad code, if i have understood correctly [00:51] not sure when that is going to be public, though [01:09] how to make my system take charge of python gtkgelxt and opengl [01:10] al2cand, sorry? [01:11] i just tried to launch chess on 3d mode and it wont allow cause my system is not equipped of python opengl and python gtkgelxt [01:12] al2cand, i suppose you have to go to synaptic for those packages [01:12] al2cand, applications->system->synaptic package manager [01:13] :) [01:16] al2cand, sudo apt-get install python-gtkglext1 python-opengl [01:16] i think [01:16] wait to try it [01:16] yap [01:17] it works [01:17] (and its ugly) :D [01:19] i found the opengl on the list but not the gtkgelxt, it might work with the first one only though [01:20] i dont know what 'sudo apt-get' mean [01:20] al2cand, that was a command you were supposed to type in a terminal [01:20] al2cand, open terminal and paste this "sudo apt-get install python-gtkglext1 python-opengl" [01:20] enter you password and enjoy [01:21] "sudo" is (one way) to get admin privileges and "apt-get" is package manager for console. [01:27] ok this all makes alot of sense, your help is appreciated [01:27] you are welcome [01:31] I just found out the 'working space splits we can perform with xubuntu, that's nice :) [01:31] what? [01:32] dont get it :) [01:32] application/parameter/working spaces (names might be different my xubuntu is french [01:33] still cant found that [01:33] *find [01:34] I am talking about the possibility to left click on the bottom right side of the desktop on the black/white squares to switch from destop 1 to desktop2 [01:36] aha [01:36] scroll works too :) [01:37] ok nice :) [02:01] Xorg/xfce/desktop environment freezes after some time of usage. What log file can I check to find out what is causing freeze? I am logged in remotely. [02:01] /var/log/xorg [02:03] please give us more info about freezes: after what time it starts and "how" it freezes (totally or...)? [02:13] I'm following https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters/LexmarkMultifuncPrinters and at step 9 I added ` cd /usr/lib; ln -sf libstdc++.so.6 libstdc++.so.5` and output of `/usr/lib/cups/backend/z600` is http://pastebin.com/d3aca6643 -- Without the symbolic link, output is "/usr/lib/cups/backend/z600: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file [02:13] or directory" -- How can I configure my system to recognize a Dell a920 printer (lexmark z600 series?) [02:14] Regarding the freezes, /var/log/xorg does not exist =/ [02:15] Re:Freezes - I can still move the mouse cursor, but I cannot click and the keyboard does not function. Pushing caps lock does not toggle led light [02:15] mizery, /var/log/Xorg.0.log [02:15] I had the freezing issue with another ubuntu-based distro linux mint as well. [02:21] knome, /var/log/Xorg.0.log: http://pastebin.com/d50d3ebaa [02:22] It appears to be using a built-in configuration instead of one configured specifically for the hardware in the system. [04:11] I installed xubuntu on a Dell Dimension 2400. lspci( http://is.gd/5j2xd ) xorg.conf( http://is.gd/5j2BD ) Xorg.0.log( http://is.gd/5j2Ii ) -- After using the desktop environment for about an hour, it froze again. The mouse cursor can be moved, but no clicking, and no keyboard functionality. I can log in to the system remotely still. I didn't notice any log or update from `dmesg` indicating any kind of issue as to why th [04:11] e desktop environment froze/stopped responding. I'm not sure how to proceed. Any ideas? [04:11] p.s. I created a config and am using driver intel [04:16] An update to my issue from previous message: syslog( http://is.gd/5j34W ) [06:51] Greetings, does anyone know how to disable tooltips in xfce? [06:51] is there an xubuntu netbook edition? [07:14] oOarthurOo: why would you want to do that? [07:14] oOarthurOo: many applications rely on tooltips [08:55] hello [08:55] I have a problem configuring arpwatch, can someone help? [08:56] the issue is that /etc/arpwatch.conf seems to be ignored, the daemon runs with the default options and I cannot seem to be able to change them [09:02] MaxFrames, stupid question, have you restarted arpwatch after changing config? [09:02] yes [09:03] in arpwatch.conf I have added this line: [09:03] how did you start it? [09:04] eth0 -n 192.168.1.0/24 -f net192168.dat [09:04] and I started it with: [09:04] sudo /etc/init.d/arpwatch [09:04] sudo /etc/init.d/arpwatch restart [09:06] same thing... it says "starting ethernet/fddi station monitor daemon: chown arpwatch /var/lib/arpwatch/eth0.dat) arpwatch eth-0." [09:06] it should be logging to net192168.dat, and it should ignore traffic on other logical networks on the same wire, but it doesn't [09:08] I think the problem is in the /etc/init.d/arpwatch script [09:26] This question must have been asked many times, but how do I make Compiz start in the Xfce session instead of xfwm? [09:31] LucidFox, simplest way i see is add compiz --replace (or whatever the command was) to autostarted applications in the settings manager [09:34] Thanks, I'll try that. [09:34] And how do I make Alt-F1 and Alt-F2 work in Compiz under Xfce? [09:39] ehm im guessing you have to install the compiz settings manager thingy and do it there [09:39] compizconfig-settings-manager << that one [09:39] simple-ccsm << or that one [10:59] Hello! [11:01] Does the Composite things run well under XFCE? [11:02] So as Shadows, etc. [11:03] Nice IRC... Bye. [12:28] hej [12:29] !hi | dustman [12:29] !hi | dustman [12:29] dustman: Hi! Welcome to #xubuntu! Feel free to ask questions and help people out. The channel guidelines are at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines. Enjoy your stay! [12:29] TheSheep, ha! [12:29] :) [12:29] iFail [12:29] I've got bit strange problem with logging in: log in screen just re-appears [12:29] again and again [12:29] dustman, which xubuntu version [12:29] can you log in from the text console? [12:30] an, of course, what did you do just before that happened? [12:30] uname -a [12:30] Linux pine 2.6.31-16-generic #53-Ubuntu SMP Tue Dec 8 04:01:29 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux [12:31] dustman, that's karmic [12:31] I actually managed to get into xfce by first getting into gnome and than removing .ICEauthority [12:31] dustman, (lsb_release -a tells the ubuntu version - just for future reference) [12:31] knome: ty [12:32] 9.10 [12:33] TheSheep: actually, the boxed crushed due to disconnected battery [12:33] s/boxed/box [12:34] dustman, i remember somebody having a rather similar problem which disappeared when he removed some config files [12:34] iirc, from .config or .xfce4 or sth. [12:35] btw, anyone has problems with right-clicks? [12:35] knome: .dmrc maybe? [12:36] dustman: no, we are tolernat here [12:36] tolerant [12:36] heh [12:36] for me right-click works bit inconsistent [12:37] I have no idea what that means [12:37] often menu appears and disapperas almost immediately [12:37] TheSheep, can't remember. [12:38] like right click -> window -> didn't have time to select anything -> command under cursor executed [12:38] s/window/menu [12:39] Have you tried using a different mouse? ;-) [12:39] touch pad and mouse [12:39] problem is that in many other cases it works fine [12:40] I remember that there was someone with similar problem once [12:40] but I can't recall what he did to fix it [12:40] he fixed it though [12:41] you know, I can't pinpoint it to whatever [12:41] mouse sensitivity doesn't affect it [12:41] did you try looking at the forums and/or bugtracker? [12:41] neah [12:43] TheSheep: is there xubuntu specific bugtracker? [12:43] since it works fine with gnome [12:43] no, xubuntu uses the same one as ubuntu [12:44] but there are xfce-specific bugs in it too [12:48] just looked through open bugs and couldn't find one related to right mouse click [12:49] sorry, should go [12:49] see ya [15:04] Hey Xubuntu folks. I'm currently an Ubuntu 9.10 user, and it's been all right for the most part but also frustrating at times. My computer is a netbook, so I'm running the Netbook Remix version, but I was considering switching to Xubuntu to a) get away from GNOME and b) take advantage of the lower specifications I imagine Xubuntu requires. [15:05] I'm basically a complete Linux noob, I ran 9.04 before this and have used live CDs for recovering data, etc. from Windows systems, but I haven't been using Linux full time for very long. [15:06] vaguerant_, so what is holding you to switch fully to xubuntu? [15:06] Lack of knowledge, basically. [15:06] I'm primarily wondering whether Xubuntu will be familiar enough for me to get used to coming off of UNR. [15:07] Also I'm curious whether there's any kind of desktop setup similar to UNR, which is great for preserving vertical real estate, which is handy on a netbook. [15:08] you can also run Xubuntu as a livecd to test it out [15:09] I'm not interested in the Fisher Price My First Computer style of Netbook Remix at all, just the way the toolbar/taskbar/tray is all one bar. [15:09] That's a good point, I should have thought of that. [15:10] Not sure how much you guys follow niche versions of your sibling releases, so here's what UNR looks like: http://www.greenhughes.com/files/eeenetbook.png [15:10] The whole bottom section is their stupid computer for grandmas setup nobody needs, but the toolbar is really great. [15:11] In the meantime, you made a good point, so I'll start grabbing a live image. [15:11] the Xubuntu install disc can be used as a LiveCD [15:11] vaguerant_: re: real estate, xfce panels are highly configurable [15:12] The default install will setup 2 bars (top and bottom), you can move everything to a single bar [15:12] Cool, that sounds good. [15:12] Which is what I've done, on my eee [15:13] I have one auto-hidden panel at the bottom of the screen in my netbook, and one small (2cm wide) panel at the top with network and battery status. [15:14] Is there anything similar to UNR's Maximus (undecorates windows, saving you an extra ~20px)? [15:15] vaguerant_, you can turn of decoration in xfce and use ALT+mouse cursor for moving them [15:15] Huh, cool, that works for me. [15:16] still it will look poor since there are no windows decorations. YOu can use slim xfce theme for window manager to get slim borders. [15:16] alt+mouse is the greatest thing, for netbooks [15:16] What's Xubuntu's default sound setup like, and is it easily changed? [15:17] or you could use some tiling wm. it looks kinda nerdy but it is awesome for netbooks [15:17] PulseAudio is something that's really bugged me about Gnome. [15:17] vaguerant_, sound setup? [15:17] aha [15:17] And it's basically impossible to escape in 9.10. [15:18] well it good since you could apply eq system wide [15:18] Yeah, it definitely has its pluses, but there's also issues with some games and stuff with a ~1s sound delay. [15:19] And with 9.10 having no way to switch to ALSA/OSS you're kind of stuck. [15:20] well pulseaudio is acting like a layer [15:20] you could remove it but there are catches [15:21] let me see [15:22] also there is no pulse in xubuntu :P [15:22] so no worry for that [15:22] Nice. [15:26] Jeez, nice speed on the torrent. [15:26] djura-san, care for #ubuntu-rs? ;) [15:26] I didn't know I could even get 1.3MB/s. [15:28] btw, I run Xubuntu on eeepc. 8.04lts. atm. [15:29] nikolam, hmmm [15:29] nice [15:29] :) djura-san here we are :) [15:29] Might be a long shot, but are you guys aware of any problems with internal SD/MMC card readers? [15:30] Ubuntu has trouble with hotplugging cards; they only work if someone was in the slot on boot. [15:30] I'm having a login issue. On my user account firefox was crashing, so I decided to restart the computer. I restarted it and now I cannot login. It accepts the username and password, appears to load, but then kicks me back to the login screen before I see a desktop. If I login as root it works fine. Ideas? [15:31] vaguerant_, i had some fix for that applied after installation of 8.04. neceeepc script, something like that [15:32] zutme, is it release version, what version of xubuntu [15:32] Uh, *something. [15:32] nikolam, karmic [15:32] you can always log in with console on Ctrl+Alt+F2, 3, 4.. [15:32] nikolam, yeah I can login on the console [15:33] nikolam, I would like to use some gui applications though [15:34] do some update. if you have network [15:34] sudo aptitude update , sudo aptitude upgrade [15:35] nikolam, already fully updated [15:35] see in /etc/X11.Xorg.conf what graphics driver is in use. Try to set it temporarily to vesa etc [15:36] nikolam, I doubt that is the problem, because as I stated the login manager displays fine and I am logged in as root right now. [15:36] I am for a long time on Lts 8.04. There were 2/3 times in its history when some updates would make some things not working. After filing a report, they we fixed, sometimes even the same day etc [15:36] zutme, try to make new user while in console [15:37] alnd lo in with that [15:37] also, try po check if all files in your user`s directory belong to user [15:38] sudo chown user /home/user -R , sudo chgrp user /home/user -R [15:38] my user owns all home directory files. [15:38] also try to use firefox extension calleed Noscript to stop any unwanted scripts from running on your Browser [15:39] Can you log in as a new user? [15:39] As I said I am already logged in as root typing this to you right now. [15:39] The user owns all his own files [15:39] in his home dir [15:40] well did you made new user and see if new user can log in? [15:45] nikolam, Ok I tried it and the new non-root user cannot log in [15:45] nikolam, So it must be a permissions issue right? [15:45] I would kill gdm [15:46] and try to log in as new user [15:46] and start X with startx [15:46] k [15:46] brb [16:18] nikolam, Ok so I was checking some stuff out and discovered I'm totally out of disk space. So I uninstalled something, but it still wouldn't let me login [16:18] try apt-get clean [16:20]