[00:04] <baniirachan> Damn, tinypic is slow today or my internet sucks
[00:04] <baniirachan> http://i50.tinypic.com/2d1s9ox.png
[00:04] <baniirachan> In the pic, you can see where the task panel is
[00:04] <baniirachan> But the movie player won't go FULL screen.
[00:05] <baniirachan> And that's where you can see the gap in the back with the other windows behind it
[00:05] <knome> hmm, weird
[00:05] <baniirachan> I can't maximize ANY window to occupy the full screen
[00:05] <knome> baniirachan, what happens when you press F11?
[00:05] <baniirachan> I get same result
[00:05] <knome> okay..
[00:05] <knome> that's really weird
[00:06] <knome> which xubuntu version are you running?
[00:06] <baniirachan> I believe it's the latest, 9.10
[00:07] <knome> 'lsb_release -a' in terminal, please :)
[00:08] <baniirachan> Distributor ID:	Ubuntu
[00:08] <baniirachan> Description:	Ubuntu 9.10.1
[00:08] <baniirachan> Release:	9.10
[00:08] <baniirachan> Codename:	koala
[00:08] <knome> okay
[00:09] <knome> have you changed the theme? (the default is dark)
[00:09] <baniirachan> No, theme is the same
[00:09] <baniirachan> So far, everything is still default.
[00:09] <knome> this is an upgrade?
[00:09] <baniirachan> No, clean install
[00:09] <knome> are you sure you are not running gnome?
[00:10] <baniirachan> How would I know the difference? I installed straight from xubuntu live disk and it says "let xfce manage windows"
[00:10] <baniirachan> Plus I don't have any gnome apps.
[00:11] <knome> baniirachan, well, i wonder this because as i said, the default xubuntu theme for 9.10 is dark. can you pastebin your 'ps -A' ?
[00:11] <knome> (or alternatively, see if there is xfce4-session)
[00:11] <knome> that does look like xfce, but it's still weird :)
[00:12] <baniirachan> http://pastebin.ca/1710346
[00:12] <baniirachan> I didn't find xfce4-session verbatim
[00:13] <knome> yes, that is xfce
[00:13] <knome> the process to look after was xfwm4, my mistake :)
[00:13] <baniirachan> Ah, np
[00:14] <baniirachan> One thing  I should mention
[00:14] <knome> okay? :)
[00:14] <baniirachan> Is that it's running on a dell inspiron
[00:14] <baniirachan> But I'm using an external monitor
[00:14] <knome> hmm
[00:14] <baniirachan> A viewsonic 19"
[00:14] <knome> that might be the cause
[00:14] <baniirachan> Everytime I try to change resolution though
[00:14] <baniirachan> It goes out to no signal
[00:14] <knome> does it look like the are that totem is taking is the resolution of the dell?
[00:15] <knome> (the dell is supposedly widescreen, but the viewsonic not?)
[00:15] <baniirachan> Both are not widescreen
[00:15] <knome> hmm...
[00:15] <baniirachan> This inspiron is ome 7 years old
[00:15] <baniirachan> *ome
[00:15] <baniirachan> **some
[00:15] <knome> is the resolution same on both displays?
[00:15] <baniirachan> Which is why I put Xubuntu on it ;)
[00:16] <baniirachan> I don't know. I'm using an external because the monitor in the inspiron is dead
[00:16] <baniirachan> How would I test that?
[00:16] <knome> a-ha.. :)
[00:16] <knome> don't know.
[00:16] <knome> it's a weird situation
[00:16] <knome> totem clearly think it's on a widescreen monitor
[00:16] <knome> +s
[00:17] <knome> have you tried other media players, like vlc?
[00:17] <baniirachan> Is there any way
[00:17] <knome> do they do the same?
[00:17] <baniirachan> Well it's not just totem like I aid
[00:17] <knome> oh, right
[00:17] <baniirachan> *said
[00:17] <baniirachan> It's all
[00:17] <baniirachan> Window
[00:17] <knome> exactly
[00:17] <baniirachan> *Windows, damn this S key
[00:17] <baniirachan> Yeah
[00:17] <knome> what does applications -> settings -> display say?
[00:17] <al2cand> I would like anyone to give me a good address on how to install applications to my xubuntu... I am total beginner and used windows since born...
[00:17] <baniirachan> But uh, yeah. Is there any way to perhaps remove the Dell display
[00:18] <knome> al2cand, in the applications menu, do you see a "add/remove applications" link?
[00:18] <baniirachan> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingSoftware
[00:18] <baniirachan> @al2cand
[00:18] <al2cand> yes
[00:19] <knome> al2cand, well, try that... :)
[00:19] <baniirachan> Btw, the resolution just says default
[00:19] <knome> baniirachan, right
[00:19] <knome> !resolution
[00:19] <baniirachan> But is there any way I could stop Xubuntu from detecting the Dell monitor?
[00:19] <baniirachan> I think that would help
[00:19] <knome> baniirachan, see the latest link. i think setting the native resolution of the external monitor in the x configuration file could help
[00:19] <al2cand> ok, i would have tought there would exit some kind of executable into the .zip application downloaded
[00:20] <knome> baniirachan, i don't think so...
[00:20] <baniirachan> I'm sure there is. Just neither one of us knows how =P
[00:20] <knome> baniirachan, but you could try the x conf file method
[00:20] <baniirachan> I'm a script noob
[00:20] <baniirachan> I will shortly. Thx
[00:20] <knome> baniirachan, i'm totally not a linux noob, but just can't think of any easy solution for that.
[00:20] <baniirachan> I didn't say you were.
[00:21] <knome> hehe, i didn't say you said :)
[00:21] <baniirachan> Alrighty
[00:21] <knome> just to mention it's probably not easy/usual to do that
[00:21] <dunix> baniirachan, what kinda vid card do you have? what driver are you using?
[00:21] <knome> i've never bumped into this kind of situation earlier
[00:22] <knome> al2cand, which application are you trying to install?
[00:23] <baniirachan> I'm using a mobile radeon 7500 lol
[00:23] <al2cand> iria, OOo, xpaint ... I am currently donaloading the new apps via the add application section
[00:23] <baniirachan> And it's the standard xorg ati driver
[00:23] <knome> al2cand, yes, that's the way it's supposed to be done in ubuntu(linux)
[00:23] <djura-san> will xubuntu 9.10 lts include xfce 4.? is there any plan for that?
[00:23] <knome> al2cand, you shouldn't need to download any files manually :)
[00:23] <djura-san> hello 2 all
[00:23] <djura-san> :D
[00:24] <djura-san> *xfce 4.8
[00:24] <dunix> you mean 10.04?
[00:24] <djura-san> yeah
[00:24] <knome> djura-san, 10.04 is the next lts, probably it'll have 4.6, unless 4.8 is released really soon and is really bugfree, which i doubt.
[00:24] <djura-san> ok
[00:24] <knome> we want as stable LTS as possible
[00:24] <djura-san> it should be released (xfce 4.8) in q1 2010
[00:24] <knome> so we are not risking it with too fresh stuff
[00:25] <djura-san> ooo
[00:25] <djura-san> so you are xubuntu devs?
[00:25] <knome> djura-san, i know, i'm in contact with the xfce devs also
[00:25] <knome> djura-san, yes, i'm the marketing lead
[00:25] <djura-san> nice to meet you :)
[00:25] <knome> djura-san, nice to meet you too
[00:25] <djura-san> so i have another question: will 10.04 include gimp?
[00:25] <djura-san> i now that ubuntu will not
[00:25] <knome> djura-san, not by default
[00:25] <djura-san> aha
[00:26] <knome> djura-san, it will stay in the repositories, i suppose
[00:26] <knome> (why wouldn't it...)
[00:26] <djura-san> and i have a lot of other questions... i used xubuntu for a long time but without interent (yeah, it is pain GREAT pain)
[00:27] <knome> heh, okay, feel free to ask
[00:28] <djura-san> why totem over mplayer? Mplayer has its own firefox plugin, mplayer is beter than totem (personal xp). I had many times errors with totem playing some clips
[00:28] <djura-san> besides that is uses gstreamer
[00:28] <knome> totem has been the default for a long time
[00:29] <djura-san> i know
[00:29] <knome> for the lts we are probably not going to change that
[00:29] <knome> but after that, we might switch to parole, which is a new xfce media/video player
[00:29] <knome> (and probably will do that, if the development of parole is continued)
[00:30] <djura-san> i used it a little in fedora 12 but not enough...
[00:30] <knome> it's not ready to be the default player yet
[00:31] <knome> djura-san, there is a conversation going about the default application choices in xubuntu-devel mailing list (see https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2009-December/thread.html, thread "idea for lucid...")
[00:31] <djura-san> so form your pow, why is totem favored over mplayer? I mean mplayer plays all possible codecs so i always asked myself why totem? Gxine was good but mplayer never failed in any task+ you can convert/extract files in mplayer
[00:31] <djura-san> okay i will check it out
[00:32] <knome> djura-san, you can also subscribe the list and give your own opinions if you're interested
[00:32] <knome> well, i think it's just inherited again and again and there hasn't been any concerns about changing
[00:33] <knome> also totem is quite a basic player, which is always ++ for a default xubuntu application
[00:33] <djura-san> okay
[00:33] <djura-san> what about bluetooth?
[00:33] <djura-san> any chance to get that by default?
[00:33] <djura-san> its only 1-2mb
[00:33] <knome> that's an interesting question
[00:34] <knome> maybe if it was working a bit better?
[00:34] <djura-san> how so?
[00:34] <al2cand> thanks knome
[00:35] <knome> al2cand, no problem
[00:35] <knome> djura-san, we don't want to ship broken packages
[00:35] <djura-san> it works enough to use it on everyday basis.
[00:35] <knome> djura-san, maybe you should propose that on the -devel list
[00:35] <knome> djura-san, i have no answers on why it is not installed
[00:36] <djura-san> yeah. im kinda new to mailing lists so i will try to use it more :)
[00:36] <knome> djura-san, when you've subscribed, just send mail to xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com and it will be forwarded to anybody on the list
[00:37] <knome> djura-san, also, you'll get all the messages sent to that address
[00:37] <djura-san> okay
[00:37] <djura-san> so it basically is a e-mail collector that ships all mails to my inbox?
[00:37] <knome> djura-san, kind of yeah.
[00:38] <knome> djura-san, only that it ships them to everybody on the list
[00:38] <knome> djura-san, that's how the lists work
[00:38] <djura-san> well its simple
[00:38] <djura-san> anyway
[00:38] <knome> it is :)
[00:40] <djura-san> you will continue to include office on alternate disc? Im using desktop edition now but i really hate desktop installer and lack of oo.org so i will start transmission
[00:41] <knome> djura-san, openoffice.org will not be included by default, but you can always install it from the repositories, naturally
[00:41] <knome> abiword and gnumeric(?) will continue being installed by default
[00:41] <djura-san> i know that but in previous releases there was oo on alternate disk. Is it on 9.10?
[00:42] <knome> djura-san, if openoffice has been on any cd, that's been a bug.
[00:42] <al2cand> is there a way to install OOo via a zipfile on my usb without having to download it again through add apps.
[00:42] <knome> djura-san, if i am correct. :)
[00:43] <knome> al2cand, i suppose there is, but installing through add applications is safer if you are not exactly sure what you are doing
[00:44] <djura-san> knome, there was oo in xubuntu alternate disk. i used it to install xubuntu on offline computers (dont remeber version of xubuntus). I should check my cd rack
[00:44] <al2cand> ok, I'm not.. so I'll keep it simple
[00:44] <knome> djura-san, oh, right. i'm not sure about that.
[00:44] <knome> djura-san, i haven't used the alternate cd myself
[00:45] <djura-san> thank you for answers :)
[00:45] <knome> no problem, happy to help you
[00:48] <djura-san> oh yeah: why there are no text editors with syntax highlight in xubuntu? Mousepad is good but its like notepad. Are there plans to use some other editor?
[00:50] <knome> djura-san, syntax highlighting is not a totally trivial thing to include to a text editor. gedit does that, but it's a bit too heavy for a text editor, we think. i've been asking the xfce devs to include bg/fg color changing support for mousepad for start
[00:50] <knome> then maybe later they'll add syntax highlighting, but i know that's not high on their priority list
[00:50] <knome> also the xubuntu developers do not have the time to do that
[00:51] <djura-san> i know
[00:51] <djura-san> its up to xfce devs
[00:51] <knome> if they did have that much time, they'd probably use it to even more important things :)
[00:51] <knome> yeah, it's been discussed lately
[00:51] <dunix> vim is all you need! ;P
[00:51] <knome> they have a new branch of the mousepad code, if i have understood correctly
[00:51] <knome> not sure when that is going to be public, though
[01:09] <al2cand> how to make my system take charge of python gtkgelxt and opengl
[01:10] <knome> al2cand, sorry?
[01:11] <al2cand> i just tried to launch chess on 3d mode and it wont allow cause my system is not equipped of python opengl and python gtkgelxt
[01:12] <knome> al2cand, i suppose you have to go to synaptic for those packages
[01:12] <knome> al2cand, applications->system->synaptic package manager
[01:13] <al2cand> :)
[01:16] <djura-san> al2cand, sudo apt-get install python-gtkglext1 python-opengl
[01:16] <djura-san> i think
[01:16] <djura-san> wait to try it
[01:16] <djura-san> yap
[01:17] <djura-san> it works
[01:17] <djura-san> (and its ugly) :D
[01:19] <al2cand> i found the opengl on the list but not the gtkgelxt, it might work with the first one only though
[01:20] <al2cand> i dont know what 'sudo apt-get' mean
[01:20] <knome> al2cand, that was a command you were supposed to type in a terminal
[01:20] <djura-san> al2cand, open terminal and paste this "sudo apt-get install python-gtkglext1 python-opengl"
[01:20] <djura-san> enter you password and enjoy
[01:21] <djura-san> "sudo" is (one way) to get admin privileges and "apt-get" is package manager for console.
[01:27] <al2cand> ok this all makes alot of sense, your help is appreciated
[01:27] <djura-san> you are welcome
[01:31] <al2cand> I just found out the 'working space splits we can perform with xubuntu, that's nice :)
[01:31] <djura-san> what?
[01:32] <djura-san> dont get it :)
[01:32] <al2cand> application/parameter/working spaces (names might be different my xubuntu is french
[01:33] <djura-san> still cant found that
[01:33] <djura-san> *find
[01:34] <al2cand> I am talking about the possibility to left click on the bottom right side of the desktop on the black/white squares to switch from destop 1 to desktop2
[01:36] <djura-san> aha
[01:36] <djura-san> scroll works too :)
[01:37] <al2cand> ok nice :)
[02:01] <mizery> Xorg/xfce/desktop environment freezes after some time of usage.  What log file can I check to find out what is causing freeze?  I am logged in remotely.
[02:01] <djura-san> /var/log/xorg
[02:03] <djura-san> please give us more info about freezes: after what time it starts and "how" it freezes (totally or...)?
[02:13] <mizery> I'm following https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters/LexmarkMultifuncPrinters and at step 9 I added ` cd /usr/lib; ln -sf libstdc++.so.6 libstdc++.so.5` and output of `/usr/lib/cups/backend/z600` is http://pastebin.com/d3aca6643  -- Without the symbolic link, output is "/usr/lib/cups/backend/z600: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file
[02:13] <mizery> or directory"  -- How can I configure my system to recognize a Dell a920 printer (lexmark z600 series?)
[02:14] <mizery> Regarding the freezes, /var/log/xorg does not exist =/
[02:15] <mizery> Re:Freezes - I can still move the mouse cursor, but I cannot click and the keyboard does not function.  Pushing caps lock does not toggle led light
[02:15] <knome> mizery, /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[02:15] <mizery> I had the freezing issue with another ubuntu-based distro linux mint as well.
[02:21] <mizery> knome, /var/log/Xorg.0.log: http://pastebin.com/d50d3ebaa
[02:22] <mizery> It appears to be using a built-in configuration instead of one configured specifically for the hardware in the system.
[04:11] <mizery> I installed xubuntu on a Dell Dimension 2400.  lspci( http://is.gd/5j2xd ) xorg.conf( http://is.gd/5j2BD ) Xorg.0.log( http://is.gd/5j2Ii ) -- After using the desktop environment for about an hour, it froze again.  The mouse cursor can be moved, but no clicking, and no keyboard functionality.  I can log in to the system remotely still.  I didn't notice any log or update from `dmesg` indicating any kind of issue as to why th
[04:11] <mizery> e desktop environment froze/stopped responding.  I'm not sure how to proceed.  Any ideas?
[04:11] <mizery> p.s. I created a config and am using driver intel
[04:16] <mizery> An update to my issue from previous message: syslog( http://is.gd/5j34W )
[06:51] <oOarthurOo> Greetings, does anyone know how to disable tooltips in xfce?
[06:51] <Ubuntu_user> is there an xubuntu netbook edition?
[07:14] <TheSheep> oOarthurOo: why would you want to do that?
[07:14] <TheSheep> oOarthurOo: many applications rely on tooltips
[08:55] <MaxFrames> hello
[08:55] <MaxFrames> I have a problem configuring arpwatch, can someone help?
[08:56] <MaxFrames> the issue is that /etc/arpwatch.conf seems to be ignored, the daemon runs with the default options and I cannot seem to be able to change them
[09:02] <tavasti> MaxFrames, stupid question, have you restarted arpwatch after changing config?
[09:02] <MaxFrames> yes
[09:03] <MaxFrames> in arpwatch.conf I have added this line:
[09:03] <TheSheep> how did you start it?
[09:04] <MaxFrames> eth0 -n 192.168.1.0/24 -f net192168.dat
[09:04] <MaxFrames> and I started it with:
[09:04] <MaxFrames> sudo /etc/init.d/arpwatch
[09:04] <TheSheep> sudo /etc/init.d/arpwatch restart
[09:06] <MaxFrames> same thing... it says "starting ethernet/fddi station monitor daemon: chown arpwatch /var/lib/arpwatch/eth0.dat) arpwatch eth-0."
[09:06] <MaxFrames> it should be logging to net192168.dat, and it should ignore traffic on other logical networks on the same wire, but it doesn't
[09:08] <MaxFrames> I think the problem is in the /etc/init.d/arpwatch script
[09:26] <LucidFox> This question must have been asked many times, but how do I make Compiz start in the Xfce session instead of xfwm?
[09:31] <ablomen> LucidFox, simplest way i see is add compiz --replace (or whatever the command was) to autostarted applications in the settings manager
[09:34] <LucidFox> Thanks, I'll try that.
[09:34] <LucidFox> And how do I make Alt-F1 and Alt-F2 work in Compiz under Xfce?
[09:39] <ablomen> ehm im guessing you have to install the compiz settings manager thingy and do it there
[09:39] <ablomen> compizconfig-settings-manager << that one
[09:39] <ablomen> simple-ccsm << or that one
[10:59] <xandermann> Hello!
[11:01] <xandermann> Does the Composite things run well under XFCE?
[11:02] <xandermann> So as Shadows, etc.
[11:03] <xandermann> Nice IRC... Bye.
[12:28] <dustman> hej
[12:29] <knome> !hi | dustman
[12:29] <TheSheep> !hi | dustman
[12:29] <knome> TheSheep, ha!
[12:29] <knome> :)
[12:29] <TheSheep> iFail
[12:29] <dustman> I've got bit strange problem with logging in: log in screen just re-appears
[12:29] <dustman> again and again
[12:29] <knome> dustman, which xubuntu version
[12:29] <TheSheep> can you log in from the text console?
[12:30] <TheSheep> an, of course, what did you do just before that happened?
[12:30] <dustman> uname -a
[12:30] <dustman> Linux pine 2.6.31-16-generic #53-Ubuntu SMP Tue Dec 8 04:01:29 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux
[12:31] <knome> dustman, that's karmic
[12:31] <dustman> I actually managed to get into xfce by first getting into gnome and than removing .ICEauthority
[12:31] <knome> dustman, (lsb_release -a tells the ubuntu version - just for future reference)
[12:31] <dustman> knome: ty
[12:32] <dustman> 9.10
[12:33] <dustman> TheSheep: actually, the boxed crushed due to disconnected battery
[12:33] <dustman> s/boxed/box
[12:34] <knome> dustman, i remember somebody having a rather similar problem which disappeared when he removed some config files
[12:34] <knome> iirc, from .config or .xfce4 or sth.
[12:35] <dustman> btw, anyone has problems with right-clicks?
[12:35] <TheSheep> knome: .dmrc maybe?
[12:36] <TheSheep> dustman: no, we are tolernat here
[12:36] <TheSheep> tolerant
[12:36] <dustman> heh
[12:36] <dustman> for me right-click works bit inconsistent
[12:37] <TheSheep> I have no idea what that means
[12:37] <dustman> often menu appears and disapperas almost immediately
[12:37] <knome> TheSheep, can't remember.
[12:38] <dustman> like right click -> window -> didn't have time to select anything -> command under cursor executed
[12:38] <dustman> s/window/menu
[12:39] <vinnl> Have you tried using a different mouse? ;-)
[12:39] <dustman> touch pad and mouse
[12:39] <dustman> problem is that in many other cases it works fine
[12:40] <TheSheep> I remember that there was someone with similar problem once
[12:40] <TheSheep> but I can't recall what he did to fix it
[12:40] <TheSheep> he fixed it though
[12:41] <dustman> you know, I can't pinpoint it to whatever
[12:41] <dustman> mouse sensitivity doesn't affect it
[12:41] <TheSheep> did you try looking at the forums and/or bugtracker?
[12:41] <dustman> neah
[12:43] <dustman> TheSheep: is there xubuntu specific bugtracker?
[12:43] <dustman> since it works fine with gnome
[12:43] <TheSheep> no, xubuntu uses the same one as ubuntu
[12:44] <TheSheep> but there are xfce-specific bugs in it too
[12:48] <dustman> just looked through open bugs and couldn't find one related to right mouse click
[12:49] <dustman> sorry, should go
[12:49] <dustman> see ya
[15:04] <vaguerant_> Hey Xubuntu folks. I'm currently an Ubuntu 9.10 user, and it's been all right for the most part but also frustrating at times. My computer is a netbook, so I'm running the Netbook Remix version, but I was considering switching to Xubuntu to a) get away from GNOME and b) take advantage of the lower specifications I imagine Xubuntu requires.
[15:05] <vaguerant_> I'm basically a complete Linux noob, I ran 9.04 before this and have used live CDs for recovering data, etc. from Windows systems, but I haven't been using Linux full time for very long.
[15:06] <djura-san> vaguerant_, so what is holding you to switch fully to xubuntu?
[15:06] <vaguerant_> Lack of knowledge, basically.
[15:06] <vaguerant_> I'm primarily wondering whether Xubuntu will be familiar enough for me to get used to coming off of UNR.
[15:07] <vaguerant_> Also I'm curious whether there's any kind of desktop setup similar to UNR, which is great for preserving vertical real estate, which is handy on a netbook.
[15:08] <dunix> you can also run Xubuntu as a livecd to test it out
[15:09] <vaguerant_> I'm not interested in the Fisher Price My First Computer style of Netbook Remix at all, just the way the toolbar/taskbar/tray is all one bar.
[15:09] <vaguerant_> That's a good point, I should have thought of that.
[15:10] <vaguerant_> Not sure how much you guys follow niche versions of your sibling releases, so here's what UNR looks like: http://www.greenhughes.com/files/eeenetbook.png
[15:10] <vaguerant_> The whole bottom section is their stupid computer for grandmas setup nobody needs, but the toolbar is really great.
[15:11] <vaguerant_> In the meantime, you made a good point, so I'll start grabbing a live image.
[15:11] <dunix> the Xubuntu install disc can be used as a LiveCD
[15:11] <David-A> vaguerant_: re: real estate, xfce panels are highly configurable
[15:12] <dunix> The default install will setup 2 bars (top and bottom), you can move everything to a single bar
[15:12] <vaguerant_> Cool, that sounds good.
[15:12] <dunix> Which is what I've done, on my eee
[15:13] <David-A> I have one auto-hidden panel at the bottom of the screen in my netbook, and one small (2cm wide) panel at the top with network and battery status.
[15:14] <vaguerant_> Is there anything similar to UNR's Maximus (undecorates windows, saving you an extra ~20px)?
[15:15] <djura-san> vaguerant_, you can turn of decoration in xfce and use ALT+mouse cursor for moving them
[15:15] <vaguerant_> Huh, cool, that works for me.
[15:16] <djura-san> still it will look poor since there are no windows decorations. YOu can use slim xfce theme for window manager to get slim borders.
[15:16] <dunix> alt+mouse is the greatest thing, for netbooks
[15:16] <vaguerant_> What's Xubuntu's default sound setup like, and is it easily changed?
[15:17] <djura-san> or you could use some tiling wm. it looks kinda nerdy but it is awesome for netbooks
[15:17] <vaguerant_> PulseAudio is something that's really bugged me about Gnome.
[15:17] <djura-san> vaguerant_, sound setup?
[15:17] <djura-san> aha
[15:17] <vaguerant_> And it's basically impossible to escape in 9.10.
[15:18] <djura-san> well it good since you could apply eq system wide
[15:18] <vaguerant_> Yeah, it definitely has its pluses, but there's also issues with some games and stuff with a ~1s sound delay.
[15:19] <vaguerant_> And with 9.10 having no way to switch to ALSA/OSS you're kind of stuck.
[15:20] <djura-san> well pulseaudio is acting like a layer
[15:20] <djura-san> you could remove it but there are catches
[15:21] <djura-san> let me see
[15:22] <djura-san> also there is no pulse in xubuntu :P
[15:22] <djura-san> so no worry for that
[15:22] <vaguerant_> Nice.
[15:26] <vaguerant_> Jeez, nice speed on the torrent.
[15:26] <nikolam> djura-san, care for #ubuntu-rs? ;)
[15:26] <vaguerant_> I didn't know I could even get 1.3MB/s.
[15:28] <nikolam> btw, I run Xubuntu on eeepc. 8.04lts. atm.
[15:29] <djura-san> nikolam, hmmm
[15:29] <djura-san> nice
[15:29] <nikolam> :) djura-san  here we are :)
[15:29] <vaguerant_> Might be a long shot, but are you guys aware of any problems with internal SD/MMC card readers?
[15:30] <vaguerant_> Ubuntu has trouble with hotplugging cards; they only work if someone was in the slot on boot.
[15:30] <zutme> I'm having a login issue. On my user account firefox was crashing, so I decided to restart the computer. I restarted it and now I cannot login. It accepts the username and password, appears to load, but then kicks me back to the login screen before I see a desktop. If I login as root it works fine. Ideas?
[15:31] <nikolam> vaguerant_, i had some fix for that applied after installation of 8.04. neceeepc script, something like that
[15:32] <nikolam> zutme, is it release version, what version of xubuntu
[15:32] <vaguerant_> Uh, *something.
[15:32] <zutme> nikolam, karmic
[15:32] <nikolam> you can always log in with console on Ctrl+Alt+F2, 3, 4..
[15:32] <zutme> nikolam, yeah I can login on the console
[15:33] <zutme> nikolam, I would like to use some gui applications though
[15:34] <nikolam> do some update. if you have network
[15:34] <nikolam> sudo aptitude update ,  sudo aptitude upgrade
[15:35] <zutme> nikolam, already fully updated
[15:35] <nikolam> see in /etc/X11.Xorg.conf what graphics driver is in use. Try to set it temporarily to vesa etc
[15:36] <zutme> nikolam, I doubt that is the problem, because as I stated the login manager displays fine and I am logged in as root right now.
[15:36] <nikolam> I am for a long time on Lts 8.04. There were 2/3 times in its history when some updates would make some things not working. After filing a report, they we fixed, sometimes even the same day etc
[15:36] <nikolam> zutme, try to make new user while in console
[15:37] <nikolam> alnd lo in with that
[15:37] <nikolam> also, try po check if all files in your user`s directory belong to user
[15:38] <nikolam> sudo chown user /home/user -R , sudo chgrp user /home/user -R
[15:38] <zutme> my user owns all home directory files.
[15:38] <nikolam> also try to use firefox extension calleed Noscript to stop any unwanted scripts from running on your Browser
[15:39] <nikolam> Can you log in as a new user?
[15:39] <zutme> As I said I am already logged in as root typing this to you right now.
[15:39] <zutme> The user owns all his own files
[15:39] <zutme> in his home dir
[15:40] <nikolam> well did you made new user and see if new user can log in?
[15:45] <zutme> nikolam, Ok I tried it and the new non-root user cannot log in
[15:45] <zutme> nikolam, So it must be a permissions issue right?
[15:45] <nikolam> I would kill gdm
[15:46] <nikolam> and try to log in as new user
[15:46] <nikolam> and start X with startx
[15:46] <zutme> k
[15:46] <zutme> brb
[16:18] <zutme> nikolam, Ok so I was checking some stuff out and discovered I'm totally out of disk space. So I uninstalled something, but it still wouldn't let me login
[16:18] <TheSheep> try apt-get clean
[16:20] <nikolam> or to delete files in /tmp etc
[16:21] <nikolam> pater, when log in, try baobab, to see what is taking most of the space
[17:06] <Venim> anyone know how to remove things from the applications menu?
[17:07] <djura-san> Venim, see this: http://wiki.xfce.org/howto/customize-menu . Currently there is no option to change menus via xfce tools :)
[17:09] <Venim> thanks
[17:09] <Venim> shoudl've scrolled down when i found that on my own :p
[17:09] <djura-san> no prob
[17:09] <djura-san> :)
[17:43] <oorah> is there a way to select my theme colors in xubuntu? i mean colors i can choose myself?
[17:44] <djura-san> like in gnome?
[17:47] <oorah> djura-san, yes
[17:47] <oorah> another question. will a customized theme such as ones in xfce-look.org slow down my system?
[17:47] <djura-san> oorah, not sure for color schemes
[17:47] <djura-san> as for other q it will not
[17:48] <oorah> ok thanks
[17:48] <David-A> oorah: I set colours in a file ~/.gtkrc-2.0
[17:48] <oorah> i found a rockin theme on xfce-look
[17:48] <djura-san> still pay attention to roundness in theme since it can be slow
[17:48] <djura-san> pass it :)
[17:53] <oorah> where do i find the themes folder? i  need to drag and drop a theme
[17:54] <TheSheep> it's .themes
[17:54] <TheSheep> in your home directory
[17:54] <TheSheep> press ctrl+h to display hidden files
[17:57] <oorah> TheSheep, there is no folder there called that, i looked again
[17:57] <TheSheep> then make it
[17:59] <oorah> i made the folder, now how do i apply a tar.gz theme?
[17:59] <djura-san> extract it to ~/.themes
[18:00] <oorah> in gnome i would just drag and drop to the list of themes, it doesn't do anything in xfce
[18:00] <TheSheep> make sure the gtkrc file goes to ~/.themes/themename/gtkrc
[18:00] <TheSheep> oorah: that's correct
[18:01] <oorah> TheSheep, how do i find that folder?
[18:01] <TheSheep> oorah: just extract that tarball
[18:01] <oorah> TheSheep, how do i do that?
[18:01] <TheSheep> right-click on it and select 'extract'
[18:02] <TheSheep> then move the directory that was created into .themes
[18:04] <oorah> TheSheep, drag and drop didn't work
[18:04] <TheSheep> why?
[18:05] <TheSheep> what was the error?
[18:05] <oorah> i tried to drag and drop it into the list of styles and it didn't land
[18:05] <TheSheep> that's correct
[18:05] <TheSheep> it won't work
[18:05] <oorah> how do i find ~/.themes/themename/gtkrc?
[18:06] <TheSheep> move it into the .themes directory
[18:06] <oorah> ok i did that part
[18:06] <TheSheep> ok, you are done
[18:06] <oorah> all i see is an extracted folder i extracted, it does nothing
[18:07] <TheSheep> is there a gtkrc file in it?
[18:09] <oorah> there is a gtk folder and a gtk-2.0 folder and a metacity and index theme
[18:10] <TheSheep> ah, ok
[18:10] <oorah> this is confusing sorry
[18:10] <TheSheep> tha tworks too
[18:10] <oorah> how do i apply the theme?
[18:10] <TheSheep> anyways, congratulations, your theme is installed
[18:11] <TheSheep> select it from the list
[18:11] <oorah> what list?
[18:11] <TheSheep> you probably have t oclose it and open again to refresh
[18:11] <TheSheep> in settings->user interface settings
[18:12] <oorah> oh ok thanks
[18:12] <oorah> its applied
[18:12] <oorah> now gotta get the other 2 parts of the theme
[18:12] <oorah> icons and wallpaper
[18:12] <oorah> i'll be back if i have another brain block, thanks again
[18:14] <oorah> just got another question
[18:14] <oorah> where do i put icon themes?
[18:15] <djura-san> in ~/.icons
[18:16] <oorah> i need to make that folder lol thanks
[18:27] <oorah> one more question. gnome-look seems to have more uploads than xfce look, can i use those themes and icons also?
[18:27] <djura-san> yes
[18:28] <oorah> thanks
[18:28] <djura-san> :)
[18:28] <djura-san> we are here to serve
[18:28] <oorah> i don't know much lol hope i ain't too annoying
[18:28] <oorah> i'm gonna test the alpha 1 beta later and see if i find any bugs
[18:29] <djura-san> annoying? lol there is no sucht thing. You are here to get help so feel free to ask :)
[18:29] <djura-san> *such
[18:30] <djura-san> one day you will server to others (if you like) ;)
[18:31] <oorah> i do sometimes, if i know the answers occasionally
[18:31] <djura-san> nice
[18:31] <TheSheep> oorah: note that only the gtk themes will work, not the metacity or compiz ones
[18:31] <oorah> TheSheep, oh ok tanks
[18:33] <oorah> part of the theme was partly metacity so no complete work
[18:33] <oorah> how come some themes on xfce-look have metacity when they know metacity ain't for xfce?
[18:34] <TheSheep> you might find an xfce-windowmanager theme that's similar
[18:34] <TheSheep> in settings->window manager settings
[18:35] <djura-san> you can install metacity too but its not good idea.
[18:35] <oorah> thanks
[18:56] <oorah> thanks for the help. wanna see a screenshot of what i got now?
[18:56] <djura-san> yeah
[18:56] <djura-san> why not
[18:56] <djura-san> :)
[18:57] <oorah> wait how do i change the pointer color?
[18:57] <djura-san> huh
[18:57] <oorah> i don't see that in appearance settings
[18:57] <djura-san> tough one
[18:57] <oorah> the pointer
[18:57] <knome> oorah, applications -> settings -> mouse -> tab "theme"
[18:58] <oorah> oh ok thanks
[19:00] <djura-san> yeah it will do. for system wide change you have to mess with "default" dir in /usr/share/icons
[19:00] <djura-san> that is tough
[19:03] <oorah> for some reason i click black and it stays white
[19:03] <oorah> not a big deal though, probably just a bug
[19:03] <knome> oorah, maybe try clicking ok to get the change? or maybe you need to login again
[19:04] <djura-san> nope. i told you that you have to mess up with default folder
[19:04] <oorah> oh ok
[19:04] <oorah> i better not lol
[19:04] <knome> djura-san, not if he only wants to change the current user mouse cursor theme
[19:04] <oorah> i changed the theme to black, it stayed white
[19:05] <oorah> maybe i should restart?
[19:05] <knome> oorah, did you try to login again?
[19:05] <knome> oorah, that might help as well
[19:05] <oorah> no brb i'll try that
[19:05] <oorah> or maybe just restart gdm?
[19:05] <knome> restart X, if something :P
[19:05] <djura-san> nope...
[19:05] <djura-san> just restart x
[19:05] <oorah> ok thanks
[19:06] <djura-san> uce ctrl+alt+backspace or print-screen+AltGr+K?
[19:06] <djura-san> *use
[19:06] <oorah> unknown job
[19:08] <oorah> woha
[19:08] <oorah> now its black on some screens white on others
[19:08] <djura-san> ?
[19:08] <knome> oorah, maybe you should restart :)
[19:10] <oorah> fixed it :) thanks
[19:10] <djura-san> :)
[19:10] <djura-san> you were talking about shots... Can we see it?
[19:11] <oorah> yeah brb lemme tinypic it
[19:13] <oorah> http://i48.tinypic.com/xqazo1.png
[19:13] <djura-san> :)
[19:15] <oorah> i wanted the mac panel/scrollbar blue look, but i didn't want their logo and icons
[19:15] <oorah> need to change the top and bottom taskbar background colors a little, how do i do that?
[19:17] <djura-san> edit pixmpas for that theme. go to ~/.themes/Your theme name/
[19:18] <djura-san> and search for picture that i used for panels. change it and save
[19:18] <oorah> djura-san, but wouldn't that change the window manager buttons also? and the taskbar/scrollbar style?
[19:18] <knome> http://xubuntu.wordpress.com/2007/10/12/howto-set-a-background-image-for-your-panel/
[19:18] <djura-san> you should change only what you need
[19:18] <djura-san> or listen to knome :)
[19:20] <oorah> actually i kinda like it how it is. the dark colors makes the takbar icons less clear
[19:27] <oorah> this is way better than default look
[19:28] <oorah> i don't understand why *buntu defaults have to be so dull
[19:28] <knome> oorah, which version of xubuntu are you talking about now?
[19:28] <oorah> karmic
[19:28] <knome> oorah, so can you tell me how could we make the default look better?
[19:30] <oorah> knome, bright colors and nice looking window managers
[19:30] <oorah> there are nice preloaded ones though
[19:31] <oorah> window managers i meant
[19:31] <knome> oorah, so you'd want a more contrasted and accessible theme?
[19:31] <knome> or?
[19:31] <knome> i'm personally totally not a fan of the window decorations you have right now
[19:31] <oorah> its great having that kinda control though :)
[19:31] <knome> no mean to offense you, but they just look so old :)
[19:32] <oorah> knome, you like the defaults?
[19:32] <knome> oorah, i was one of the guys creating the default theme for karmic
[19:32] <oorah> knome, oh really? cool
[19:32] <knome> oorah, it's not perfect yet, but i think it is one of the best overall themes you have at this time
[19:33] <knome> oorah, xubuntu lucid will include a polished albatross by default
[19:34] <djura-san> and it looks good with elemntary
[19:34] <oorah> its pretty good
[19:34] <djura-san> *elementary
[19:34] <knome> any ideas and suggestions are welcome
[19:35] <djura-san> well there is one
[19:35] <oorah> i set it back to albatross and kept the retro window manager
[19:36] <oorah> and kept the icon theme
[19:36] <djura-san> some icons are missing in elementary set. they are not missing but they are not linked to work in xubuntu
[19:36] <djura-san> xfce that is
[19:37] <knome> djura-san, we know the lack of some icons, we have to create some new icons for lucid. we just didn't have time to do that for karmic :)
[19:37] <djura-san> oorah, jeah, this is the best artwork for xubuntu so far ;)
[19:37] <oorah> now changed to glossy green theme
[19:37] <djura-san> knome, sure but there is no need to create new icons. just some links are missing :)
[19:38] <djura-san> just my 2c
[19:38] <knome> djura-san, there *is* some icons missing ;) we will create some links as well
[19:38] <knome> djura-san, that's valuable. thanks :)
[19:38] <djura-san> nice
[19:38] <oorah> i like the shiny theme looks :)
[19:39] <djura-san> i just connected to my Serbian ubuntu loco... i share xubuntu now with people :)
[19:39] <djura-san> small contibution
[19:40] <djura-san> since i will keep it instead of debian and other distros
[19:40] <oorah> i tried debian once and hated it
[19:41] <djura-san> oorah, please dont. Xubuntu is based on it so there is not *much* diferences between them
[19:41] <djura-san> :)
[19:41] <oorah> i tried to install stuff and i put in the righ user name, passoword, i was logged  in as myself, it said i wasn't a sudoer
[19:41] <oorah> right*
[19:41] <djura-san> im thinking to create some cd cover for xubuntu so i can share cd-s.. i will see what i can do
[19:42] <djura-san> oorah, debian is not using sudo by default
[19:42] <djura-san> ;)
[19:42] <knome> djura-san, join the marketing brainstorm. we are thinking about that as well
[19:42] <oorah> canonical never shipped xubuntu for free, don't know why
[19:42] <oorah> i always request a free ubuntu cd, they come with a nice case, sitckers, and disc label
[19:42] <knome> oorah, on-disk.com  does
[19:43] <knome> oorah, see "free quick ship discs" on the left
[19:43] <oorah> knome, oh ok thanks
[19:43] <oorah> site don't exist
[19:43] <oorah> according to firefox
[19:44] <knome> http://on-disk.com/index.php/cPath/349
[19:44] <knome> it does exists.
[19:44] <knome> -s
[19:45] <djura-san> knome, i will se what my loco is thinking about that. in the meantime i could join marketing brainstorm... still im gonna use 10.04 for next year and beyond so i could give something good to community
[19:45] <djura-san> still trying to create sticker on brushed metal but no good
[19:45] <knome> hmmm
[19:46] <knome> djura-san, #xubuntu-devel. loco teams should have nothing against participating in functional/derivative teams.
[19:46] <oorah> they cost money grrrrrrrrrrrr
[19:46] <knome> oorah, yes, that's the shipping cost
[19:46] <oorah> knome, oh i see
[19:46] <djura-san> im joining that teams now
[19:46] <djura-san> :)
[19:47] <djura-san> q: why do you want to change xubuntu site look?
[19:47] <knome> djura-san, it could be better. :)
[19:47] <djura-san> do you want to use "Albatros" alike theme or...
[19:47] <djura-san> aha
[19:47] <djura-san> it looks nice now
[19:47] <knome> djura-san, no, probably not albatross-like theme
[19:49] <djura-san> xubuntu-devel mailing list is about 10.04 right?
[19:49] <knome> djura-san, it's about any release to be released
[19:49] <djura-san> oket
[19:49] <djura-san> im mean ok
[19:49] <knome> djura-san, or any development still done for the previous releases
[19:49] <knome> s/or/and/
[19:50] <oorah> for some reason its not letting me change desktop background
[19:50] <djura-san> thank you for answers so far
[19:50] <djura-san> oorah, how so?
[19:50] <oorah> i found a link for one i like, right click, set as background,nothing
[19:50] <oorah> it won't change
[19:50] <oorah> do i have to save the pic first?
[19:51] <knome> oorah, yeah, i suppose you can't set images from URLs as background
[19:51] <oorah> oh ok thanks
[19:51] <oorah> what program should i use to open it with so i can set it?
[19:52] <knome> oorah, right-click desktop -> desktop settings
[19:53] <oorah> thanks
[20:03] <djura-san> knome, in 10.04 you will not include pulseaudio?
[20:47] <oorah> ok i made my final theme changes
[20:47] <djura-san> hm...
[20:47] <djura-san> let us see them
[20:49] <oorah> this should be the Lucid theme :D http://tinypic.com/r/2eej8lz/6
[20:50] <oorah> IMO its amazing!
[20:50] <oorah> maybe a little hard on the eyes at first lol
[20:50] <oorah> but i like the green and black
[20:50] <oorah> what do yall think? honestly....
[20:51] <TheSheep> I couldn't work with such a high-contrast background
[20:52] <djura-san> dont wory im brutally honest :]
[20:52] <oorah> ok thanks haha
[20:52] <oorah> i think its a great look
[20:52] <oorah> i guess i have a different taste lol
[20:52] <djura-san> too much intense for eyes. But there is no point in discussing about tastes ;)
[20:53] <djura-san> we all have different taste ;)
[20:53] <TheSheep> it's nat about taste, it's about usability
[20:53] <TheSheep> it's ok to show someone for a moment
[20:53] <TheSheep> or to set up as a demo in a shop
[20:58] <oorah> djura-san, you have a one click access to both?
[20:59] <djura-san> oorah, what? dont understand. Are you referring to panels? If that so yes i have it. My Workspace margins are about 15-50px :)
[21:00] <oorah> djura-san, oh i see. i'm so use to having 2 it would be hard to get use to one lol
[21:00] <oorah> i wonder if i can make what i have into one theme
[21:01] <oorah> i mean with a theme maker of some kind?
[21:02] <djura-san> oorah, i thought so. i used ubuntu with openbox for long time without any panels. Alt+tab is hard when you use so much apps at once. On my shot you see only a few but i usually use to many of them. So panel with windows lists is required now. Im using lin more to create stuff. ANd also i play nwn a lot :)
[21:02] <oorah> whats nwn?
[21:03] <djura-san> neverwinter nights
[21:03] <oorah> oh whats that?
[21:03] <djura-san> just some game
[21:03] <djura-san> only game i play (besides cs)
[21:31] <knome> djura-san, no idea yet.
[21:31] <knome> djura-san, (re: pulseaudio)
[21:32] <djura-san> okay
[21:33] <djura-san> right now there is no pulse and i dont mind that at all :)
[22:49] <zyxwvut> hello
[22:49] <djura-san> o/
[22:49] <zyxwvut> wondering if someone can point me to right direction to modify the mount options of the automount tool used in xubuntu ?
[22:50] <vinnl> !fstab
[22:50] <zyxwvut> I want to give full write acces to a HFS external drive and currently it's only root who got that permission
[22:50] <vinnl> Those links should help you, I thin
[22:50] <vinnl> *think
[22:51] <zyxwvut> fstab is not automount because it's an external drive (in fact 2 drives currently)
[22:51] <vinnl> Is it connected on startup?
[22:52] <zyxwvut> sorry what i meant is that i don't think fstab would help or does the udev/hal/whatever use the fstab to get mount options based on uid ?
[22:52] <vinnl> Yep, I believe so
[22:52] <zyxwvut> no not connected at startup
[22:53] <digitrev> If anyone has some free time, I was wondering if I could get some help with ssh. It seems to be something specific to xubuntu, because it works properly both on Cygwin and Ubuntu
[22:53] <zyxwvut> in fact i was hoping there would be a magic file somewhere where i put 777 and bingo every external disk mounted get write access to anyone
[22:53] <zyxwvut> my other external FAT is working (but it's FAT)
[22:54] <vinnl> Hmm, I'd lurk around to see if someone with more knowledge of this reads your question :)
[22:54] <zyxwvut> vinnl, do you know the tool that does the automount job ?
[22:55] <vinnl> zyxwvut, I think exo-mount, otherwise gnome-mount
[22:56] <djura-san> zyxwvut, try this: settings > File manager > Advanced > COnfigure
[22:56] <djura-san> thunar volman should do the job
[22:57] <zyxwvut> djura-san, nothing in the advanced settings
[22:57] <zyxwvut> I will look in exo-mount and thunar volman man pages
[22:57] <vinnl> zyxwvut, alternatively, you could try mailing the xubuntu-users mailinglist :)
[22:58] <zyxwvut> vinnl, yes but I'll try that when I've tried 'many' things before ;)
[22:58] <vinnl> Good :)
[22:59] <djura-san> zyxwvut, there is. enalbe "volume managment" and try configure then. maybe you can solve problems like that.
[22:59] <djura-san> *enable
[23:00] <djura-san> there are a lot of options there
[23:00] <zyxwvut> djura-san, it's already active but i think the purpose of those options is to activate the right tool base on what type of media you plugged in
[23:01] <zyxwvut> based*
[23:01] <djura-san> zyxwvut, yeah.
[23:02] <djura-san> still you can use thunar volman to mount device ant chown to change owner.
[23:04] <zyxwvut> djura-san, will try
[23:18] <digitrev> Can anyone help me with some ssh problems?
[23:19] <dunix> it's better to state your problem, instead of asking to ask
[23:19] <digitrev> Fair enough
[23:20] <digitrev> The problem is this: after properly authenticating using ssh-add, my public key is not being accepted by Xubuntu. This is odd, because it works just fine when ssh'ing into my Cygwin and Ubuntu box.
[23:24] <dunix> Never used that ssh-agent stuff, so i'm no help
[23:25] <digitrev> Ahh. Thanks anyways.
[23:25] <digitrev> Would you be able to point me to a place where people might be able to help more?
[23:25] <djura-san> try at #ubuntu
[23:25] <dunix> yea, same in ubuntu
[23:25] <djura-san> or #arch
[23:26] <digitrev> I'd try #ubuntu, but it seems to be something specific to xubuntu.
[23:28] <djura-san> it sounds more like a ssh related stuff rather than xubuntu related stuf. still check there out :)
[23:38] <zyxwvut> djura-san, chown worked and i found on launchpad that in the future there would be an mount.rc file in the xubuntu-default-settings that would provide the ability to specify mount-options
[23:38] <djura-san> nice to hear. thank you for info.
[23:38] <zyxwvut> thanks again bye
[23:39] <djura-san> o/