[00:06] <oldude67> alright does anyone know how to make the power managment not show up on reboots, i have told it not to do it several times but it still comes up.thats for laptops mostly isnt it?
[00:11] <rrva> often chrome or firefox flip out and eat 90Â% cpu for a long time. How can I detect this situation and automatically kill firefox/chrome or at least show a warning dialog?
[00:30] <IngForigua> Someone have problems with nofify-osd
[00:38] <simba_> so i did a fresh install and the update-manager -d. My lappy has dual gfx card, when i try booting nv my screen goes crazy, but works ok with intel. Anyone else have the same problem?
[00:47] <DanaG> weird.... plymouth doesn't work for me.
[00:47] <DanaG> Just shows a blank black screen.
[00:49] <DanaG> http://www.google.com/search?q=unexpectedly+disconnected+boot+status
[00:53] <DanaG> http://users.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/plymouth.log
[01:09] <XiXaQ> has it been decided that Lucid will use Linux 2.6.32 and not 2.6.33 even if it's ready in good time for kernel freeze?
[01:09] <XiXaQ> I think 2.6.33 would be a very useful kernel for Ubuntu Server, as it's likely to include DRBD.
[01:15] <dtchen> XiXaQ: it has been decided, yes.
[01:16] <XiXaQ> good. I would like the convenience of having DRBD in the kernel, but I think it's much more important to have stability from the get go.
[01:16] <DanaG> hmm, plymouth doesn't work for me... just gives me "unexpectedly disconnected from boot status daemon".
[01:27] <XiXaQ> ah! https://wiki.ubuntu.com/specs/KernelLucidNewKernelonLTS <-- This is one blueprint I really find interesting.
[01:35] <DanaG> I almost read "kernelon" as "chameleon".
[01:35] <DanaG> with a K.
[01:36] <XiXaQ> :)
[01:37] <XiXaQ> the brain has some kewl features. :)
[01:42] <bjsnider> plymouth would require a kms driver
[01:43] <bjsnider> which is to say, an intel gpu
[01:43] <RAOF> Or, with the new kernel, an ati gpu.
[01:44] <bjsnider> really? that's done now?
[01:44] <RAOF> Or, with _my_ copy of 2.6.32-8-generic, an nvidia gpu.
[01:44] <bjsnider> i wasn't aware it had been added to radeon yet
[01:45] <DanaG> I'm using uvesafb, for now.
[01:45] <RAOF> radeon kms has been available since not long into the Karmic cycle; it hasn't been enabled in Ubuntu kernels, though, because it's needed newer userspace.
[01:45] <DanaG> But even with radeon kms, plymouth has never worked for me.
[01:45] <DanaG> Even back when it was temporarily available in Jaunty.
[01:45] <RAOF> You'll notice the latest kernel changelog drops the "[SAUCE] disable ati kms"
[01:46] <DanaG> It just went to details view, immediately... without EVER even trying to load the "solar" plugin.
[01:47] <DanaG> this is a strace of sending it "show-splash".
[01:47] <DanaG> http://users.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/plymouth.log
[01:47] <DanaG> It just gives me a 100% black screen.
[01:48] <DanaG> It also gives me "unexpectedly disconnected from boot status daemon".
[01:49] <DanaG> http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=209459
[01:52] <DanaG> Stupid Plymouth.
[02:01] <DanaG> hmm, a nice name for a language:
[02:02] <DanaG> c²
[02:02] <DanaG> s/c/C/
[02:02] <DanaG> er, sorry, wrong tab again.
[02:29] <DanaG> ugh, stupid wifi... can't handle even one lowly stereo pulseaudio stream.
[02:31] <bjsnider> chromium-browser reports the flash plugin crashes on all google video and espn video
[02:35] <DanaG> great, pulseaudio is now giving me a bunch of "protocol error" messages.
[02:35] <DanaG> hmm, I disabled the RTP stream thingy... and suddenly it started working.
[02:35] <DanaG> Even though RTP wasn't even in use!
[02:36] <DanaG> Still, that doesn't explain "protocol error" -- shouldn't it be something more like "your connection sucks"?
[02:39] <DanaG> now, if only I could make that old laptop's video (including bios boot logo!) not get completely trampled...
[02:39] <DanaG> Weird... plymouth works just fine on a second computer that has nouveau.\
[02:39] <DanaG> Does plymouth just not like uvesafb?
[02:47] <DanaG> Actually, I think plymouth is just being stupid, and trying to draw on ttyS0.
[02:47] <DanaG> ... and completely ignoring tty0.
[02:51] <DanaG> http://www.mail-archive.com/plymouth@lists.freedesktop.org/msg00045.html
[02:51] <DanaG> Oh, I see... it's just Plymouth fail.
[02:53] <DanaG> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=22239
[03:04] <DanaG> weird... plymouth under X gives weird boxes.
[03:40] <XiXaQ> does anyone know when Evolution 2.29 will be available in lucid?
[04:41] <DanaG> ooh, multi-pointer vnc:
[04:41] <DanaG> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCQ-5eOElxE
[04:43] <XiXaQ> why is that cool?
[04:44] <DanaG> Because you wouldn't have to "fight" over a mouse, and you could do cooperative stuff with it.
[04:51] <bjsnider> fight over a mouse?
[05:09] <arand_> I seriously wonder about the decision to label adobe flash, etc. as "Free Software" in USC...
[05:13] <DanaG> I'd distinguish by "free" and "Free!".
[05:29] <arand_> Not even I can tell which is supposed to be which of those two...
[05:31] <arand_> Redefining the meaning of Free Software to mean Gratis Software, I really do think it's a bad way to go...
[05:42] <DanaG> I'd agree with that.
[05:43] <DanaG> They should call it zero-price, instead, or something.
[05:43] <DanaG> or zero-cost.
[05:43] <DanaG> (aside from all the crashes! =þ)
[06:52] <DanaG> oh yeah, so plymouth just plain doesn't even TRY to work on my system.
[06:52] <DanaG> It sees a "console=" parameter and just says "oh, serial, I give up."
[06:52] <DanaG> Even if it's console=ttyS0 console=tty0 (which means both serial AND local).
[07:16] <mgi> hi everyone - I keep getting "error 22" from grub when I boot off a fresh install.. happened with mythbuntu 9.10 and it's happening with ubuntu 10.04.. what is this all about?
[07:16] <mgi> I have 4 disks fyi and only one has partitions set up
[07:19] <gnomefreak> mgi you can search using "grub error 22" i dont recall what it is and i would be able to check for a bit
[07:19] <mgi> I searched and haven't found much useful
[07:19] <mgi> it's all to do with dual windows-linux installs and such
[07:19] <mgi> I believe error 22 is unknown file or directory, or something
[07:19] <mgi> I imagine it's looking for the wrong drive / partition
[07:21] <gnomefreak> mgi: did you install windows first than ubuntu?
[07:21] <mgi> no, windows has never been on any of these hard disks
[07:22] <mgi> I am installing over a previous ubuntu install, but I have deleted + readded the partitions since then
[07:24] <DanaG> grr, plasma keeps segfaulting.
[07:24] <DanaG> Over and over.  And over.  And under.  And sideways.  And over.
[10:01] <ueu001> Is there breakage now in lucid? Or is it safe to upgrade to the alpha  ?
[10:02] <gnomefreak> ueu001: breakage and will keep breaking until beta at least it will have less by beta release
[10:03] <pecisk> well, it looks like it's safe, but you can't be sure and nothing new to chew on, only gnome stuff is slowly upgrading
[10:03] <gnomefreak> pecisk: X is broken
[10:03] <pecisk> I did it in VirtualBox
[10:03] <pecisk> hmmm
[10:03] <pecisk> gnomefreak, this morning I suppose? :)
[10:03] <pecisk> ok, I didn't upgrade for day or more
[10:03] <gnomefreak> not all drivers are ready example nvidia-glx-*
[10:03] <gnomefreak> pecisk: 2 days ago
[10:03] <pecisk> allright
[10:03] <ueu001> oh that's bad
[10:04] <pecisk> so it's better to do something useful than upgrade right now :)
[10:04] <gnomefreak> ueu001: since you will be doing either update-manager -d or distupgrade in terminal it is going to break X. right now they are held back
[10:06] <gnomefreak> go figure i file a bug than as of today i cant reproduce it :(
[10:08] <gnomefreak> ueu001: pecisk see bug 495779 not sure if it was a duplicate of the other bug but that is my X bug
[10:08] <ueu001> I see it in the distribution upgrade window
[11:08]  * gnomefreak getting tired of filing bugs 
[11:38] <Mitch> Does the latest Kubuntu alpha use Plymouth?
[11:53] <XiXaQ> gnomefreak, isn't it a little early for that? :)
[11:54] <gnomefreak> XiXaQ: yep but ive been up for ~7hours and its only 6:54am
[11:55] <XiXaQ> :)
[12:30] <Ddorda> hey. what is the version of xorg-server that going to be on lucid?
[12:32] <yofel> Mitch: no, kubuntu doesn't use Plymouth yet
[12:33] <yofel> Ddorda: 1.7 afaik
[12:33] <yofel> (Xorg 7.5)
[13:06] <tormod> anyone else having ureadahead dying?
[13:09] <Ddorda> yofel: thanks a lot :D
[13:35] <tormod> d'uh I was using a vanilla kernel, ureadahead needs some ubuntu patches...
[14:28] <BluesKaj> ok , installing lucid as we speak ..any advice on quirks I should know before I reboot after the installis done ?
[14:32] <Ian_Corne> gfx card?
[14:32] <Ian_Corne> Don't run it on battery power
[14:32] <Ian_Corne> mine crashes then
[14:32] <BluesKaj> nvidia 7600gt
[14:33] <BluesKaj> Ian_Corne, I'm using my desktop
[14:42] <Ian_Corne> ok
[14:42] <Ian_Corne> then i have no comments :)
[14:44] <BluesKaj> Ian_Corne, I tried lucid 2 days ago and it crashed X and am using the glx-185 driver . I have the ppa for the 190 driver , but I'not sure what the excart name of it is.
[14:44] <BluesKaj> exact
[14:47] <ueu001> Is there a problem with nvidia-glx in lucid or is there a workaround ?
[14:48] <Ian_Corne> Sorry BluesKaj don't have nvidia
[14:50] <BluesKaj> well, ueu001 , I'm about to find out ,. There was a prob a couple of days ago , but i'm gonna try a different driver
[14:57] <ueu001> I have no problem using nv, instead of nvidia, so I will upgrade in a few hours to lucid
[14:58] <BluesKaj> I see , didn't realize the nv driver works on lucid
[15:00] <ueu001> I have no information what works....We always have vesa
[15:04] <BluesKaj> well the prob is , if X is broken , then the driver doesn't matter
[15:05] <ueu001> true
[15:49] <BluesKaj> had to do some rescue work for the nvidia-190-libvdpau driver and xorg reconfig at the TTY , but managed to boot lucid
[15:55] <ueu001> Just started upgrading as well
[15:55] <ueu001> Will keep you updated
[16:09] <BluesKaj> hmm, konversation is using 70% of the cpu , wonder what's causing that . I'd use quassel but don't care the "look" and I'm no eye candy freak
[16:10] <BluesKaj> don't care for the "look"
[16:56] <ueu001> I'm now on lucid guys. Booted successfully, I only lost usplash
[16:58] <ueu001> I also found a bug in notify-osd, I will post a bug
[17:02] <ueu001> posted it . bug #495938
[17:02] <Michalxo> agrree with notifications
[17:02] <ueu001> can someone confirm please?
[17:04] <Michalxo> done
[17:04] <Michalxo> damn, lynx is faster via live cd/dvd then my Koala :-(
[17:05] <ueu001> thanks
[17:05] <ueu001> the new kernel is pretty exciting ; )
[17:05] <Michalxo> in what?
[17:06] <ueu001> there was a pretty big article somewhere. do you want me to find it  ?
[17:06] <Michalxo> that would be nice from you :-)
[17:07] <ueu001> http://bit.ly/tBLeW
[17:07] <Michalxo> I have here ubuntu since karmic alpha 3.. and it's not that fast as I'd imagine :-(     but keyboard freezing after suspend bothers me very much :-(
[17:08] <ueu001> We are still early in development and because this is going to be a lts release, we need to post many bug reports. So do that if you haven't already .
[17:08] <Michalxo> well.. it was/is in Karmic..
[17:08] <Michalxo> i haven't tested it on lynx..
[17:09] <Michalxo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-power-manager/+bug/429249
[17:09] <Michalxo> this is my top-bug :-(
[17:12] <ueu001> that's pretty severe ;  (
[17:13] <Michalxo> yeah :-(
[17:25] <BluesKaj> Konversation is using 70% of the available cpu porcess ...what gives ?
[17:25] <BluesKaj> process
[17:25] <Seren__> hi there, I have lost "all applications" under kde lucid : krunner can't find any application and kickoff does not list anything
[17:26] <Seren__> this is pretty weird, luckily I had a konsole restored at session start up
[17:26] <Seren__> anyone else experiencing the same thing ?
[17:28] <joaopinto> fgrlx is still unusable, right ?
[17:58] <BluesKaj> successful reboot ! ..stuff works :)
[17:59] <ueu001> BluesKaj: congrats : )
[18:00] <yoasif_> just installed gnote, it seems identical to tomboy
[18:02] <BluesKaj> ueu001, how are you coming along . Are you installing ?
[18:02] <ueu001> BluesKaj: I upgraded from karmic. So far I have found only one bug
[18:03] <BluesKaj> ueu001, cool , a crash or ?
[18:03] <CosmiChaos> ueu001, well not much has changed so far except of kernel and kde
[18:04] <BluesKaj> CosmiChaos, that's not much ?
[18:04] <ueu001> This. Bug#495938
[18:04] <ueu001> Bug# 495938
[18:04] <BluesKaj> ! Bug# 495938
[18:04] <BluesKaj> oops
[18:06] <CosmiChaos> BluesKaj, well its regular upsream, but normally its quite more at alpha , ie gnome, cups, compiz, not changed
[18:06] <BluesKaj> ok ,it's on launchpad ... dunno if mine is a bug but i have to login twice
[18:06] <ueu001> I will install the nvidia drivers now from the official website
[18:07] <CosmiChaos> i think if they would really miss he option on 2.6.3 for a LTS
[18:07] <CosmiChaos> 2.6.33
[18:07] <BluesKaj> ueu001, you'll have to stop kdm first then remove the old driver and install the new one
[18:08] <CosmiChaos> im really fine with the sevenmashines nvidia 195.22 beta repository
[18:09] <CosmiChaos> but still i have a video glitch on boot must be xserver-video-nvidia
[18:09] <ueu001> Install succesful
[18:10] <BluesKaj> CosmiChaos, which nvidia card ?
[18:10] <CosmiChaos> 8600gts+
[18:11] <BluesKaj> the nvidia-190-libvdpau replaces the glx-185 driver , you can find it here https://edge.launchpad.net/~sevenmachines/+archive/nvidia
[18:12] <CosmiChaos> listen i have absolutely no problem when x is loaded
[18:12] <CosmiChaos> BluesKaj,
[18:12] <BluesKaj> yeah CosmiChaos i was busy typing and not reading :)
[18:13] <CosmiChaos> my 195.22 works nicely and worked before on karmic nice too, the difference from upgrade was that from grub to X the graphic is freaked
[18:13] <BluesKaj> I had a problem with X til the 190 driver was installed
[18:14] <sebsebseb> hi
[18:14] <CosmiChaos> i guess its a problem with the vesa modul for nvidia on the new 2.6.2 :( what to do?
[18:14] <CosmiChaos> the problem is too, when i switch to console
[18:14] <BluesKaj> my nvidia card is a bit old (7600gt) but still works fine with this 5yr old pc
[18:14] <CosmiChaos> graphics are freaked too
[18:15] <CosmiChaos> i meant 2.6.33
[18:15] <CosmiChaos> 332
[18:15] <sebsebseb> oh graphics card issues?  well the screensavers won't show in alpha 1, in my Virtualbox  vm
[18:15] <CosmiChaos> no not screensafers
[18:15] <sebsebseb> ok well I just joined
[18:15] <CosmiChaos> TTY1-8 plus boot animation
[18:15] <sebsebseb> also the boot up is odd in my vm
[18:15] <CosmiChaos> these are freaked
[18:16] <BluesKaj> CosmiChaos, the 195 lucid driver might different than the karmic , di=unno for sure
[18:16] <Seren__> hi there, I lost "all applications" in kde+1
[18:16] <Seren__> (lucid)
[18:16] <i_is_broke> well every thing seems to be working fine with my nvidia riva tnt2 card
[18:16] <Seren__> and krunner seems to be unable to find them either
[18:16] <CosmiChaos> its not the nvidia x-driver
[18:16] <CosmiChaos> i tried 185 its the same ok
[18:16] <Seren__> anyone else with the same issue ?
[18:16] <CosmiChaos> X works nice
[18:17] <CosmiChaos> the problems are the console temrinals plus only the boot animation
[18:17] <BluesKaj> CosmiChaos, gnome ?
[18:17] <CosmiChaos> that must be package xorg-video-vidia related or kid of, because that worked before lucid
[18:18] <BluesKaj> CosmiChaos, yeah try the site I posted above
[18:18] <CosmiChaos> gnome works ice in x as i repeat: only boot animations and NOT terminal windows, but CONSOLES ((STRG+ALT+F1-F12))
[18:19] <CosmiChaos> BluesKaj, you didnt posted an link O.o
[18:20] <ueu001> I installed the nvidia driver from nvidia.com and it works very well for me
[18:20] <CosmiChaos> BluesKaj, except of the sevenmashines repository, that i already in use of
[18:20] <CosmiChaos> you dont got my problem
[18:21] <BluesKaj> TTY not working ?
[18:21] <CosmiChaos> well technically it works
[18:21] <CosmiChaos> but not usable
[18:22] <BluesKaj> i have 6 TTY s the , alt +F7 gives me the desktop
[18:22] <CosmiChaos> because video output is squeezed and shovered to a 1/10 of the height and 1/10 of the width repeating itselfs to the right
[18:22] <CosmiChaos> at the top of the screen
[18:23] <BluesKaj> what happened to the media option is systemsettings ?
[18:24] <CosmiChaos> Settings>Multimedia-System?
[18:25] <CosmiChaos> i cannot use TTYs, some graphic glitch goes for boot animation
[18:25] <CosmiChaos> and shutdown animation
[18:25] <CosmiChaos> same
[18:25] <CosmiChaos> thats not nivida-glx related
[18:26] <CosmiChaos> must be frame buffer or vesa driver or something :(
[18:26] <CosmiChaos> any idea?
[18:28] <BluesKaj> CosmiChaos, i'm on kde , it's system settings /computer admin/ media
[18:29] <BluesKaj> do you have the terminal on desktop
[18:30] <CosmiChaos> of course i can open up a temrinal window
[18:40] <SuperLag> Anyone running Lucid in VMWare?
[18:44] <Seren__> hi there, I am still struggling under kde lucid to see any application in krunner or kickoff
[20:05] <BluesKaj> how is lucid working on laptops with intel graphics ?
[20:25] <CosmiChaos> thats totally weird. ubuntu devlopers focused 2.6.32 for 100.0044 which will be released in april as LTS while now kernel 2.6.33 with nuevou will arrive in february ... atm  xf86-video-nv isnt working since lucid alpha11 for my 8600gts.... merry christmas xD
[20:27] <CosmiChaos> i think ubuntu developers should step to 33 for LTS
[20:27] <dtchen> no
[20:27] <dtchen> that decision was made at UDS for a longer period available for stabilisation
[20:28] <CosmiChaos> just gimme back my bootloader and TTYs xD
[20:28] <CosmiChaos> i mean bootloadingscreen
[20:29] <CosmiChaos>  xf86-video-nv got screwed graphics for TTYs, boot- and shutdownscreen since lucid alpha1 for me, any idea?
[20:31] <BluesKaj> well , here goes lucid install on the laptop
[20:34] <sal_> ? partial upgrade?  i have a good alpha installed, using upgrade mgr .. i read the forum page about the partial upgrade - and generally not to ..
[20:34] <sal_> wondering what to do from here? .. wait for a full upgrade, or ??
[20:34] <CosmiChaos> generally dont develope ;)
[20:35] <IdleOne> sal_: wait
[20:35] <sal_> IdleOne, ok.  if i keep checking the update mgr, it will eventually offer me a normal upgrade?
[20:35] <BluesKaj> CosmiChaos, try sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start in the console , then remove your old nvidia driver and install devel -nvidia driver for your graphics card
[20:35] <CosmiChaos> i run upgrades every 15 minute omg
[20:36] <IdleOne> sal_: at some point it should
[20:36] <BluesKaj> err sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop, CosmiChaos
[20:36] <CosmiChaos> BluesKaj, i dont use kde with kdm, i use gnome with gnm ;)
[20:36] <CosmiChaos> gdm
[20:36] <BluesKaj> then gdm
[20:36] <sal_> IdleOne, thx.  i'll just keep checking.  the install now seems to be running great ..
[20:36] <CosmiChaos> that does not work anymore since karmic ;))
[20:37] <CosmiChaos> stop gdm
[20:37] <CosmiChaos> ;)
[20:37] <evolio> anyone with a macbook 1,1 here?
[20:37] <CosmiChaos> why should installing devel help BluesKaj
[20:38] <CosmiChaos> BluesKaj, again: the propietary driver was working under karmic
[20:38] <CosmiChaos> i rebuild that kernel module for 2.6.32
[20:38] <BluesKaj> CosmiChaos, what's your present driver?\
[20:38] <CosmiChaos> it is nicely working
[20:39] <CosmiChaos> 195.22 nvidia via sevenmachines repo
[20:39] <CosmiChaos> i previously had 195.22 directly from nvidia installed
[20:40] <BluesKaj> you said your graphics were freaked a while ago, whic h is it ?
[20:40] <CosmiChaos> i dont think the problem is driver related
[20:40] <CosmiChaos> listen. 195.22 from nvidia was nicely installed in karmic, then i upgraded to lucid
[20:41] <CosmiChaos> it claimed for low graphic mode, so i checked console
[20:41] <BluesKaj> yeah so install the lucid driver
[20:41] <CosmiChaos> which had screwed graphics like the very first bototloadinganimation in lucid
[20:41] <CosmiChaos> yes i did
[20:42] <CosmiChaos> i entered low graphics mode
[20:42] <BluesKaj> ok, nm ...
[20:42] <CosmiChaos> since i cannot force TTY driver instalaltion
[20:42] <CosmiChaos> which i did (tried blindly) and worked
[20:42] <BluesKaj> it's no point
[20:42] <CosmiChaos> but then after a reboot still the bug appeared
[20:43] <CosmiChaos> hardware enabled opengl desktop no problem
[20:43] <CosmiChaos> gdm works, compiz works
[20:54] <CosmiChaos> lol i bet the 2.6.33 is finished before ubuntu hits first beta xD
[20:59] <IdleOne> first beta came out 2 days ago. How much do you want to bet?
[20:59] <IdleOne> :P
[21:00] <IdleOne> oh wait
[21:00]  * IdleOne fail
[21:36] <BUGabundo> ola
[21:36] <BUGabundo> humm
[21:37] <BUGabundo> is it just me, or did fonts get smaller again ?
[21:54] <AlanBell> evening
[21:55] <AlanBell> just installing from the alternate CD, it wants to download MIBs from RFCs and IANA
[21:55] <BUGabundo> hey AlanBell
[21:55] <BUGabundo> yeah I remember getting those too
[21:55] <BUGabundo> :S
[21:55] <AlanBell> it is a sub-optimal acronym soup for the uninitiated
[21:56] <AlanBell> not entirely sure what a MIB is myself
[21:56] <AlanBell> or the relationship between RFCs and IANA
[21:57] <BUGabundo> heh
[21:57] <BUGabundo> joaopinto: that's your expertise isn't it ?
[21:57] <BUGabundo> AFAIK MIBs are the exposed motherboard sensors
[22:01] <joaopinto> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Management_Information_Base
[22:05] <robin0800_> joaopinto: well as I was installing it I did not have an internet connection but have not been prompted to install these after installation
[22:05] <joaopinto> you can safely ignore that prompt
[22:11] <AlanBell> will the message be removed later? it is a bit unfriendly
[22:16] <joaopinto> I guess so
[22:20] <AlanBell> well the install finished and it boots up OK
[22:21] <AlanBell> still experienceing bug 428769