[00:06] alright does anyone know how to make the power managment not show up on reboots, i have told it not to do it several times but it still comes up.thats for laptops mostly isnt it? [00:11] often chrome or firefox flip out and eat 90Â% cpu for a long time. How can I detect this situation and automatically kill firefox/chrome or at least show a warning dialog? [00:30] Someone have problems with nofify-osd [00:38] so i did a fresh install and the update-manager -d. My lappy has dual gfx card, when i try booting nv my screen goes crazy, but works ok with intel. Anyone else have the same problem? [00:47] weird.... plymouth doesn't work for me. [00:47] Just shows a blank black screen. [00:49] http://www.google.com/search?q=unexpectedly+disconnected+boot+status [00:53] http://users.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/plymouth.log [01:09] has it been decided that Lucid will use Linux 2.6.32 and not 2.6.33 even if it's ready in good time for kernel freeze? [01:09] I think 2.6.33 would be a very useful kernel for Ubuntu Server, as it's likely to include DRBD. [01:15] XiXaQ: it has been decided, yes. [01:16] good. I would like the convenience of having DRBD in the kernel, but I think it's much more important to have stability from the get go. [01:16] hmm, plymouth doesn't work for me... just gives me "unexpectedly disconnected from boot status daemon". [01:27] ah! https://wiki.ubuntu.com/specs/KernelLucidNewKernelonLTS <-- This is one blueprint I really find interesting. [01:35] I almost read "kernelon" as "chameleon". [01:35] with a K. [01:36] :) [01:37] the brain has some kewl features. :) [01:42] plymouth would require a kms driver [01:43] which is to say, an intel gpu [01:43] Or, with the new kernel, an ati gpu. [01:44] really? that's done now? [01:44] Or, with _my_ copy of 2.6.32-8-generic, an nvidia gpu. [01:44] i wasn't aware it had been added to radeon yet [01:45] I'm using uvesafb, for now. [01:45] radeon kms has been available since not long into the Karmic cycle; it hasn't been enabled in Ubuntu kernels, though, because it's needed newer userspace. [01:45] But even with radeon kms, plymouth has never worked for me. [01:45] Even back when it was temporarily available in Jaunty. [01:45] You'll notice the latest kernel changelog drops the "[SAUCE] disable ati kms" [01:46] It just went to details view, immediately... without EVER even trying to load the "solar" plugin. [01:47] this is a strace of sending it "show-splash". [01:47] http://users.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/plymouth.log [01:47] It just gives me a 100% black screen. [01:48] It also gives me "unexpectedly disconnected from boot status daemon". [01:49] http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=209459 [01:52] Stupid Plymouth. [02:01] hmm, a nice name for a language: [02:02] c² [02:02] s/c/C/ [02:02] er, sorry, wrong tab again. === Bwahah is now known as Drmanhattan [02:29] ugh, stupid wifi... can't handle even one lowly stereo pulseaudio stream. [02:31] chromium-browser reports the flash plugin crashes on all google video and espn video [02:35] great, pulseaudio is now giving me a bunch of "protocol error" messages. [02:35] hmm, I disabled the RTP stream thingy... and suddenly it started working. [02:35] Even though RTP wasn't even in use! [02:36] Still, that doesn't explain "protocol error" -- shouldn't it be something more like "your connection sucks"? [02:39] now, if only I could make that old laptop's video (including bios boot logo!) not get completely trampled... [02:39] Weird... plymouth works just fine on a second computer that has nouveau.\ [02:39] Does plymouth just not like uvesafb? === tyabux is now known as XiXaQ [02:47] Actually, I think plymouth is just being stupid, and trying to draw on ttyS0. [02:47] ... and completely ignoring tty0. [02:51] http://www.mail-archive.com/plymouth@lists.freedesktop.org/msg00045.html [02:51] Oh, I see... it's just Plymouth fail. [02:53] https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=22239 [02:53] Freedesktop bug 22239 in plymouth general "improve console= handling" [Normal,New] [03:04] weird... plymouth under X gives weird boxes. [03:40] does anyone know when Evolution 2.29 will be available in lucid? [04:41] ooh, multi-pointer vnc: [04:41] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCQ-5eOElxE [04:43] why is that cool? [04:44] Because you wouldn't have to "fight" over a mouse, and you could do cooperative stuff with it. [04:51] fight over a mouse? [05:09] I seriously wonder about the decision to label adobe flash, etc. as "Free Software" in USC... [05:13] I'd distinguish by "free" and "Free!". [05:29] Not even I can tell which is supposed to be which of those two... [05:31] Redefining the meaning of Free Software to mean Gratis Software, I really do think it's a bad way to go... [05:42] I'd agree with that. [05:43] They should call it zero-price, instead, or something. [05:43] or zero-cost. [05:43] (aside from all the crashes! =þ) [06:52] oh yeah, so plymouth just plain doesn't even TRY to work on my system. [06:52] It sees a "console=" parameter and just says "oh, serial, I give up." [06:52] Even if it's console=ttyS0 console=tty0 (which means both serial AND local). [07:16] hi everyone - I keep getting "error 22" from grub when I boot off a fresh install.. happened with mythbuntu 9.10 and it's happening with ubuntu 10.04.. what is this all about? [07:16] I have 4 disks fyi and only one has partitions set up [07:19] mgi you can search using "grub error 22" i dont recall what it is and i would be able to check for a bit [07:19] I searched and haven't found much useful [07:19] it's all to do with dual windows-linux installs and such [07:19] I believe error 22 is unknown file or directory, or something [07:19] I imagine it's looking for the wrong drive / partition [07:21] mgi: did you install windows first than ubuntu? [07:21] no, windows has never been on any of these hard disks [07:22] I am installing over a previous ubuntu install, but I have deleted + readded the partitions since then [07:24] grr, plasma keeps segfaulting. [07:24] Over and over. And over. And under. And sideways. And over. [10:01] Is there breakage now in lucid? Or is it safe to upgrade to the alpha ? [10:02] ueu001: breakage and will keep breaking until beta at least it will have less by beta release [10:03] well, it looks like it's safe, but you can't be sure and nothing new to chew on, only gnome stuff is slowly upgrading [10:03] pecisk: X is broken [10:03] I did it in VirtualBox [10:03] hmmm [10:03] gnomefreak, this morning I suppose? :) [10:03] ok, I didn't upgrade for day or more [10:03] not all drivers are ready example nvidia-glx-* [10:03] pecisk: 2 days ago [10:03] allright [10:03] oh that's bad [10:04] so it's better to do something useful than upgrade right now :) [10:04] ueu001: since you will be doing either update-manager -d or distupgrade in terminal it is going to break X. right now they are held back [10:06] go figure i file a bug than as of today i cant reproduce it :( [10:08] ueu001: pecisk see bug 495779 not sure if it was a duplicate of the other bug but that is my X bug [10:08] Launchpad bug 495779 in nvidia-graphics-drivers-180 "when doing X updates it wants to remove nvidia-glx-185" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/495779 [10:08] I see it in the distribution upgrade window [11:08] * gnomefreak getting tired of filing bugs [11:38] Does the latest Kubuntu alpha use Plymouth? [11:53] gnomefreak, isn't it a little early for that? :) [11:54] XiXaQ: yep but ive been up for ~7hours and its only 6:54am [11:55] :) [12:30] hey. what is the version of xorg-server that going to be on lucid? [12:32] Mitch: no, kubuntu doesn't use Plymouth yet [12:33] Ddorda: 1.7 afaik [12:33] (Xorg 7.5) [13:06] anyone else having ureadahead dying? [13:09] yofel: thanks a lot :D === bittin_ is now known as bittin^ [13:35] d'uh I was using a vanilla kernel, ureadahead needs some ubuntu patches... === mac_v_ is now known as mac_v [14:28] ok , installing lucid as we speak ..any advice on quirks I should know before I reboot after the installis done ? [14:32] gfx card? [14:32] Don't run it on battery power [14:32] mine crashes then [14:32] nvidia 7600gt [14:33] Ian_Corne, I'm using my desktop [14:42] ok [14:42] then i have no comments :) [14:44] Ian_Corne, I tried lucid 2 days ago and it crashed X and am using the glx-185 driver . I have the ppa for the 190 driver , but I'not sure what the excart name of it is. [14:44] exact [14:47] Is there a problem with nvidia-glx in lucid or is there a workaround ? [14:48] Sorry BluesKaj don't have nvidia [14:50] well, ueu001 , I'm about to find out ,. There was a prob a couple of days ago , but i'm gonna try a different driver [14:57] I have no problem using nv, instead of nvidia, so I will upgrade in a few hours to lucid [14:58] I see , didn't realize the nv driver works on lucid [15:00] I have no information what works....We always have vesa [15:04] well the prob is , if X is broken , then the driver doesn't matter [15:05] true [15:49] had to do some rescue work for the nvidia-190-libvdpau driver and xorg reconfig at the TTY , but managed to boot lucid [15:55] Just started upgrading as well [15:55] Will keep you updated [16:09] hmm, konversation is using 70% of the cpu , wonder what's causing that . I'd use quassel but don't care the "look" and I'm no eye candy freak [16:10] don't care for the "look" [16:56] I'm now on lucid guys. Booted successfully, I only lost usplash [16:58] I also found a bug in notify-osd, I will post a bug [17:02] posted it . bug #495938 [17:02] Launchpad bug 495938 in notify-osd "Notify-osd in lucid: Glitchy appearance" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/495938 [17:02] agrree with notifications [17:02] can someone confirm please? [17:04] done [17:04] damn, lynx is faster via live cd/dvd then my Koala :-( [17:05] thanks [17:05] the new kernel is pretty exciting ; ) [17:05] in what? [17:06] there was a pretty big article somewhere. do you want me to find it ? [17:06] that would be nice from you :-) [17:07] http://bit.ly/tBLeW [17:07] I have here ubuntu since karmic alpha 3.. and it's not that fast as I'd imagine :-( but keyboard freezing after suspend bothers me very much :-( [17:08] We are still early in development and because this is going to be a lts release, we need to post many bug reports. So do that if you haven't already . [17:08] well.. it was/is in Karmic.. [17:08] i haven't tested it on lynx.. [17:09] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-power-manager/+bug/429249 [17:09] Ubuntu bug 429249 in gnome-power-manager "[Karmic] keyboard locked/freezed unable to type anything" [Undecided,Confirmed] [17:09] this is my top-bug :-( [17:12] that's pretty severe ; ( [17:13] yeah :-( [17:25] Konversation is using 70% of the available cpu porcess ...what gives ? [17:25] process [17:25] hi there, I have lost "all applications" under kde lucid : krunner can't find any application and kickoff does not list anything [17:26] this is pretty weird, luckily I had a konsole restored at session start up [17:26] anyone else experiencing the same thing ? [17:28] fgrlx is still unusable, right ? === ripps_ is now known as ripps [17:58] successful reboot ! ..stuff works :) [17:59] BluesKaj: congrats : ) [18:00] just installed gnote, it seems identical to tomboy [18:02] ueu001, how are you coming along . Are you installing ? [18:02] BluesKaj: I upgraded from karmic. So far I have found only one bug [18:03] ueu001, cool , a crash or ? [18:03] ueu001, well not much has changed so far except of kernel and kde [18:04] CosmiChaos, that's not much ? [18:04] This. Bug#495938 [18:04] Bug# 495938 [18:04] ! Bug# 495938 [18:04] oops [18:06] BluesKaj, well its regular upsream, but normally its quite more at alpha , ie gnome, cups, compiz, not changed [18:06] ok ,it's on launchpad ... dunno if mine is a bug but i have to login twice [18:06] I will install the nvidia drivers now from the official website [18:07] i think if they would really miss he option on 2.6.3 for a LTS [18:07] 2.6.33 [18:07] ueu001, you'll have to stop kdm first then remove the old driver and install the new one [18:08] im really fine with the sevenmashines nvidia 195.22 beta repository [18:09] but still i have a video glitch on boot must be xserver-video-nvidia [18:09] Install succesful [18:10] CosmiChaos, which nvidia card ? [18:10] 8600gts+ [18:11] the nvidia-190-libvdpau replaces the glx-185 driver , you can find it here https://edge.launchpad.net/~sevenmachines/+archive/nvidia [18:12] listen i have absolutely no problem when x is loaded [18:12] BluesKaj, [18:12] yeah CosmiChaos i was busy typing and not reading :) [18:13] my 195.22 works nicely and worked before on karmic nice too, the difference from upgrade was that from grub to X the graphic is freaked [18:13] I had a problem with X til the 190 driver was installed [18:14] hi [18:14] i guess its a problem with the vesa modul for nvidia on the new 2.6.2 :( what to do? [18:14] the problem is too, when i switch to console [18:14] my nvidia card is a bit old (7600gt) but still works fine with this 5yr old pc [18:14] graphics are freaked too [18:15] i meant 2.6.33 [18:15] 332 [18:15] oh graphics card issues? well the screensavers won't show in alpha 1, in my Virtualbox vm [18:15] no not screensafers [18:15] ok well I just joined [18:15] TTY1-8 plus boot animation [18:15] also the boot up is odd in my vm [18:15] these are freaked [18:16] CosmiChaos, the 195 lucid driver might different than the karmic , di=unno for sure [18:16] hi there, I lost "all applications" in kde+1 [18:16] (lucid) [18:16] well every thing seems to be working fine with my nvidia riva tnt2 card [18:16] and krunner seems to be unable to find them either [18:16] its not the nvidia x-driver [18:16] i tried 185 its the same ok [18:16] anyone else with the same issue ? [18:16] X works nice [18:17] the problems are the console temrinals plus only the boot animation [18:17] CosmiChaos, gnome ? [18:17] that must be package xorg-video-vidia related or kid of, because that worked before lucid [18:18] CosmiChaos, yeah try the site I posted above [18:18] gnome works ice in x as i repeat: only boot animations and NOT terminal windows, but CONSOLES ((STRG+ALT+F1-F12)) [18:19] BluesKaj, you didnt posted an link O.o [18:20] I installed the nvidia driver from nvidia.com and it works very well for me [18:20] BluesKaj, except of the sevenmashines repository, that i already in use of [18:20] you dont got my problem [18:21] TTY not working ? [18:21] well technically it works [18:21] but not usable [18:22] i have 6 TTY s the , alt +F7 gives me the desktop [18:22] because video output is squeezed and shovered to a 1/10 of the height and 1/10 of the width repeating itselfs to the right [18:22] at the top of the screen [18:23] what happened to the media option is systemsettings ? [18:24] Settings>Multimedia-System? [18:25] i cannot use TTYs, some graphic glitch goes for boot animation [18:25] and shutdown animation [18:25] same [18:25] thats not nivida-glx related [18:26] must be frame buffer or vesa driver or something :( [18:26] any idea? [18:28] CosmiChaos, i'm on kde , it's system settings /computer admin/ media [18:29] do you have the terminal on desktop [18:30] of course i can open up a temrinal window === yoasif_ is now known as yoasif [18:40] Anyone running Lucid in VMWare? [18:44] hi there, I am still struggling under kde lucid to see any application in krunner or kickoff === mac_v_ is now known as mac_v [20:05] how is lucid working on laptops with intel graphics ? [20:25] thats totally weird. ubuntu devlopers focused 2.6.32 for 100.0044 which will be released in april as LTS while now kernel 2.6.33 with nuevou will arrive in february ... atm xf86-video-nv isnt working since lucid alpha11 for my 8600gts.... merry christmas xD [20:27] i think ubuntu developers should step to 33 for LTS [20:27] no [20:27] that decision was made at UDS for a longer period available for stabilisation [20:28] just gimme back my bootloader and TTYs xD [20:28] i mean bootloadingscreen [20:29] xf86-video-nv got screwed graphics for TTYs, boot- and shutdownscreen since lucid alpha1 for me, any idea? [20:31] well , here goes lucid install on the laptop [20:34] ? partial upgrade? i have a good alpha installed, using upgrade mgr .. i read the forum page about the partial upgrade - and generally not to .. [20:34] wondering what to do from here? .. wait for a full upgrade, or ?? [20:34] generally dont develope ;) [20:35] sal_: wait [20:35] IdleOne, ok. if i keep checking the update mgr, it will eventually offer me a normal upgrade? [20:35] CosmiChaos, try sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start in the console , then remove your old nvidia driver and install devel -nvidia driver for your graphics card [20:35] i run upgrades every 15 minute omg [20:36] sal_: at some point it should [20:36] err sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop, CosmiChaos [20:36] BluesKaj, i dont use kde with kdm, i use gnome with gnm ;) [20:36] gdm [20:36] then gdm [20:36] IdleOne, thx. i'll just keep checking. the install now seems to be running great .. [20:36] that does not work anymore since karmic ;)) [20:37] stop gdm [20:37] ;) [20:37] anyone with a macbook 1,1 here? [20:37] why should installing devel help BluesKaj [20:38] BluesKaj, again: the propietary driver was working under karmic [20:38] i rebuild that kernel module for 2.6.32 [20:38] CosmiChaos, what's your present driver?\ [20:38] it is nicely working [20:39] 195.22 nvidia via sevenmachines repo [20:39] i previously had 195.22 directly from nvidia installed [20:40] you said your graphics were freaked a while ago, whic h is it ? [20:40] i dont think the problem is driver related [20:40] listen. 195.22 from nvidia was nicely installed in karmic, then i upgraded to lucid [20:41] it claimed for low graphic mode, so i checked console [20:41] yeah so install the lucid driver [20:41] which had screwed graphics like the very first bototloadinganimation in lucid [20:41] yes i did [20:42] i entered low graphics mode [20:42] ok, nm ... [20:42] since i cannot force TTY driver instalaltion [20:42] which i did (tried blindly) and worked [20:42] it's no point [20:42] but then after a reboot still the bug appeared [20:43] hardware enabled opengl desktop no problem [20:43] gdm works, compiz works [20:54] lol i bet the 2.6.33 is finished before ubuntu hits first beta xD [20:59] first beta came out 2 days ago. How much do you want to bet? [20:59] :P [21:00] oh wait [21:00] * IdleOne fail === yofel_ is now known as yofel [21:36] ola [21:36] humm [21:37] is it just me, or did fonts get smaller again ? [21:54] evening [21:55] just installing from the alternate CD, it wants to download MIBs from RFCs and IANA [21:55] hey AlanBell [21:55] yeah I remember getting those too [21:55] :S [21:55] it is a sub-optimal acronym soup for the uninitiated [21:56] not entirely sure what a MIB is myself [21:56] or the relationship between RFCs and IANA [21:57] heh [21:57] joaopinto: that's your expertise isn't it ? [21:57] AFAIK MIBs are the exposed motherboard sensors [22:01] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Management_Information_Base [22:05] joaopinto: well as I was installing it I did not have an internet connection but have not been prompted to install these after installation [22:05] you can safely ignore that prompt [22:11] will the message be removed later? it is a bit unfriendly [22:16] I guess so [22:20] well the install finished and it boots up OK [22:21] still experienceing bug 428769 [22:21] Launchpad bug 428769 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "compiz starts with a blank screen on a 2048x1152 monitor" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/428769 === DanaG1 is now known as DanaG === hif1 is now known as hifi