[00:00] <IrCYop> When I try to start it I get nothing but a [fail]
[00:01] <IrCYop> ah brb
[00:13] <crohakon> I just upgraded my server to 9.10 and now I am having an issue starting bind9
[00:16] <crohakon> Forgive the flood, but I do not have a DNS server at the moment... So I cannot get to paste page stuff
[00:16] <crohakon>  * Starting domain name service... bind9                                                                                                                        [fail]
[00:16] <crohakon> invoke-rc.d: initscript bind9, action "start" failed.
[00:16] <crohakon> dpkg: error processing bind9 (--configure):
[00:16] <crohakon>  subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[00:16] <crohakon> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[00:16] <crohakon> Any ideas?
[00:20] <zurh> hi
[01:13] <crohakon> After upgrading to 9.10 bind9 failed to start
[01:13] <crohakon> so I removed it
[01:13] <crohakon> and reinstalled it
[01:13] <crohakon> but the install fails
[02:17] <jmarsden> crohakon: "The install fails" ... be specific, what error message do you get from apt-get install bind9 ?
[02:17] <crohakon> oh, I resolved it. Apparent apparmor stopped liking bind9 after the upgrade.
[02:17] <jmarsden> OK, cool.
[02:18] <jmarsden> I just got home and saw no-one here had tried to help you out...
[02:18] <crohakon> so I just stopped the apparmor service, started the bind9 server, and restarted apparmor. Seems to work now
[02:18] <crohakon> Yeah, well, it happens =)
[05:08] <ChrisRut> where can I find an image file of Ubuntu Server Hardy, that is compatible with Xen *.img
[08:07] <RoyK> fuck
[08:07] <RoyK> something fscked up in my xfs root fs
[08:07] <jmarsden> !language
[08:07] <RoyK> so some files appear like 0 bytes large
[08:08] <RoyK> jmarsden: I really don't care about the general christian's view of my language
[08:09] <jmarsden> Your use of #ubuntu-* channels is subject to the Ubuntu Code of Conduct, I believe.
[08:09] <RoyK> jmarsden: do you know how I can fix this problem or are you just an anti-swearing-bot?
[08:10] <jmarsden> Given that attitude, I'm not really all that interested in spending time helping you right now, I'm afraid.
[08:11] <jmarsden> Check the channel logs on http://irclogs/ubuntu.com if you think I am "just an anti-swearing-bot".
[08:11] <RoyK> jmarsden: I really don't care about the general christian's view of my language
[08:12] <RoyK> jmarsden: do you know how I can fix this problem or are you just an anti-swearing-bot?
[08:12] <RoyK> I really, really do not like people whining over details on IRC without having something to say
[08:12] <RoyK> jmarsden: then fuck you very much, sir
[08:12] <jmarsden> Without the language impediment, it's possible I'd have had more to say.  Goodnight.
[08:12] <RoyK> jmarsden: if you find it so hard to read these BAD BAD WORDS, then find another place to hang out than on IRC
[08:12] <RoyK> jmarsden: I've been in here for a while
[08:12] <RoyK> jmarsden: anyway - I really don't know you _do_ know what to do about it, but it's so much pride in not answering a man who uses non-christian words, isn't it?
[08:19] <Drmanhattan> the ubuntu code of conduct is not applied equally.
[08:19]  * Drmanhattan awaits yet another ban in another ubuntu channel for noticing hypocrisy.
[08:22] <RoyK> Drmanhattan: noticing is allowed, commenting is hypocracy
[08:22] <Drmanhattan> I see
[08:22] <Drmanhattan> ;))
[08:23] <RoyK> luckily there aren't too much idiots like jmarsden in here
[08:23] <Jeeves_> RoyK: It's a bit weird that you match 'decency' and 'cristianity' :)
[08:24] <Jeeves_> As if non-cristians cannot be decent.
[08:24] <Jeeves_> Aren't you decent?
[08:24] <RoyK> did I mention decency?
[08:24] <Jeeves_> No, but keeping in mind that some words offent others is decent.
[08:24] <Jeeves_> Which you don't bother to be, which is fine by me.
[08:25] <Jeeves_> But nobody mentioned cristianity either, except you.
[08:25] <Drmanhattan> Christianity is kind of offensive to me, at least the politics involved.
[08:25] <Jeeves_> So make up your mind, try to behave, and maybe people will be willing to help you.
[08:25] <RoyK> words like 'fuck', 'shit' etc are perfect words for expressing feelings. mr jmarsden did not wait a second before throwing !language at me
[08:26] <RoyK> this 'decency' about not using 'swear words' comes from christianity, not from somewhere else
[08:26] <Drmanhattan> the religion itself doesn't bother me, but the protesting of funerals and oppressing gay folk makes me sick.
[08:26] <Jeeves_> Drmanhattan: Try moving to a normal country, that helps :)
[08:26] <RoyK> some people think 'try to behave' means 'follow the paths of our ancestors' meaning those who actually beleived there was a god and so on
[08:26] <Jeeves_> RoyK: How old are you, 11?
[08:26] <Drmanhattan> RoyK, most modern "swear words" are words from the native languages that were deemed "vulgar" when the Christians invaded them.
[08:27] <Drmanhattan> Jeeves_, yay amsterdam
[08:27] <RoyK> I can behave perfectly normal, be nice and so on, but if my filesystem goes boom, I'll be shouting SHIT nevertheless
[08:27] <RoyK> Jeeves_: no, I'm not 11
[08:27] <Jeeves_> RoyK: Younger?
[08:27] <Jeeves_> If not, you are behaving like a 11 year old.
[08:28] <Jeeves_> Decent (they do not need to be cristian) people try to follow the rules of surroundings a bit
[08:29] <Drmanhattan> I haven't seen a lot of decency out of some of the ubuntu channel mods though.
[08:29] <RoyK> Jeeves_: either you try to make me look like something I'm not, or you're not the smartest guy alive. I guess the former
[08:29] <RoyK> Jeeves_: yeah, but those rules are not absolute
[08:29] <RoyK> Jeeves_: your rules on 'good language' obviously doesn't match your neighbor's
[08:29] <RoyK> or his neighbor, or relatives
[08:29] <Drmanhattan> I guess thats what happens when you put 19 y/o's in charge of things, especially ones that were obviously picked on in their younger years.
[08:29] <Drmanhattan> sorry 18yo's
[08:30] <RoyK> Jeeves_: tell me, if you get a corrupt filesystem, do you feel like shouting out some dedicated words, or would 'pizza' or 'pancake' do?
[08:30] <Jeeves_> RoyK: The rule is pretty simple. It's "Do not swear in the #ubuntu-channels". You said yourselve that the words you're using are swear words.
[08:30] <Jeeves_> So, what's your problem?
[08:31] <Jeeves_> Try and shout at your monitor, and not into the channel.
[08:31] <Jeeves_> That way, you might get help. And your monitor probably won't mind you yelling at him.
[08:31] <RoyK> Jeeves_: my problem is that you're blocking a big segment of the English language, at times a good segment too
[08:31] <RoyK> Jeeves_: because someone said 'this is bad'
[08:31] <Jeeves_> You're mom might.
[08:31] <RoyK> can someone please kick mr Jeeves_ in his ass?
[08:32] <Jeeves_> RoyK: Seriously, are you in need of help or are you here to comment on the #ubuntu-* rules?
[08:34] <RoyK> Jeeves_: do you actually beleive that behaviour is about not swearing?
[08:34] <RoyK> Jeeves_: your rudeness is, by those rules, ok, but if I say 'shit', well, that's worse?
[08:34] <RoyK> well, if that's the rules, I guess some pretty fucked up christians must have been behind them
[08:36] <Jeeves_> I'm not rude. I'm trying to explain to you why those rules are. And that those rules should be followed within the ubuntu-channels/
[08:36] <Jeeves_> What's rude about that?
[08:36] <RoyK> well, your attitude doesn't help you
[08:37] <Jeeves_> I'm guessing you age by your behaviour, that should give you a hint on your behaviour, not mine
[08:37] <RoyK> Jeeves_: heh
[08:41] <Jeeves_> So, what's your problem?
[08:45] <RoyK> Jeeves_: your behaviour is generally about one thing, 'do not swear'. with that as a base, you seem to beleive you can be as rude as you like. you haven't put a single argument forth on why certain words should be banned from usage in here, just that 'the rules say...' Those rules are conservative ones, mostly ruled out the christian right wing in most countries, especially in the US, but also in parts of Europe. Luckily, in Europe, most pe
[08:46] <RoyK> ople don't beleive in that sort of gods anymore, so the language is generally more free than it is in other, more conservative parts of the world, such as the extreme islamic parts and parts of the US
[08:47] <RoyK> Jeeves_: if you want to say something more about this, be my guest, but please don't rephrase the current ruleset
[08:47] <RoyK> Jeeves_: lol - you didn't really understand that, did you?
[08:49] <Jeeves_> RoyK: I do have better things to do dan await your four minute break to think about this.
[08:49] <Jeeves_> The point is, it doesn't matter which words are of aren't banned from usage.
[08:50] <RoyK> Jeeves_: it's funny. people like you fall back to bullshit when you have no arguments, not even bad ones
[08:50] <Jeeves_> The point is that you're using a service of somebody else, and you should behave according to this parties rules.
[08:50] <RoyK> 'my minute break'
[08:50] <RoyK> Jeeves_: did you even _try_ to read what I wrote above?
[08:50] <Jeeves_> RoyK: I did, and I understand what you said.
[08:51] <Jeeves_> The point is that your or my personal point of view doesn't matter.
[08:51] <Jeeves_> What matters is that there are rules in this channel, and you should behave according to those rules.
[08:51] <Drmanhattan> well, I'd be happy to behave as some of the operators want, When I am kicked, banned, and shoved into channels to debate the matter, I generally tend to become uncooperative.
[08:51] <Jeeves_> I understand your view on extremist cristians
[08:52] <Jeeves_> I share some parts of that view
[08:52] <Jeeves_> But it just doesn't matter :)
[08:53] <Drmanhattan> I don't understand why Christians have such a problem with gay folk, it isnt like Jesus ever showed any interest in women, and he surrounded himself with 12 other men with a similiar disinterest in women. I don't know any straight men who do that.
[08:53] <RoyK> Jeeves_: fuck you very much, idiot. obeying the rules because they're rules is idiocy of the worst sort. try to tell the people in Iran to obey the law because it's the law. also, all sorts of countries have stupid laws, also the 'western' ones.
[08:53] <Jeeves_> ok, I give up. :)
[08:53] <RoyK> Jeeves_: in obeying laws for the sake of their being laws, you make a big mistake
[08:53] <Jeeves_> A silence!
[08:53] <Jeeves_> !/ignore++
[08:54] <RoyK> Drmanhattan: the christians have problems with gay folk, just because they're not allowed to join in
[08:54] <RoyK> it's sad, really :)
[08:54]  * RoyK &
[09:12] <eagles0513875> hey guys is glibc6 installed on 9.10 by default
[09:15] <Jeeves_> libc6?
[09:15] <eagles0513875> ya
[09:15] <eagles0513875> need it for shoutcast
[09:15] <Jeeves_> Yes, it is.
[09:15] <eagles0513875> ok ty :)
[09:15] <Jeeves_> But shoutcast is in the repo's, isn't it?
[09:16] <arj> http://packages.ubuntu.com
[09:17] <eagles0513875> no Jeeves_its not
[09:17] <eagles0513875> im getting it from shoutcast.com
[09:18] <Jeeves_> icecast is
[09:18] <Jeeves_> that's about the same, isn't it?
[09:19] <Alpha6> can ubuntu server and dyndns work together?
[09:20] <kringell> Alpha6: yes
[09:20] <jmarsden> Alpha6: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DynamicDNS
[09:21] <Alpha6> Thanks kringell and jmarsden
[09:54] <Drmanhattan> dyndns is nice, no-ip is better
[10:01] <eagles0513875> my router is nice enough to automatically update my account on dyndns for me :)
[10:14] <Drmanhattan> my router does the same with no-up
[10:14] <Drmanhattan> no-ip
[10:14] <Drmanhattan> Gotta love tomato linux
[11:08] <DrManhattan> I appear to be unable to increase my desktop size past 800x600
[11:30] <incorrect> i wish there were more custom kernels to use
[11:31] <incorrect> generic and server aren't really all that is needed
[12:16] <kringell> incorrect_: what more do you need?
[12:17] <incorrect_> kringell, well when i build a nice custom kernel for my opterons i get a good performance boost, same with my xeon
[12:17] <incorrect_> generic64 isn't so hot
[12:17] <incorrect_> also i wouldn't mind a 250hz server kernel
[12:24] <ghostlines> does anyone know or use any networking gui tools?
[12:25] <ghostlines> my boss runs ubuntu server and doesn't want to install the whole desktop package to configure networking
[12:43] <Cromulent> just use the command line then
[12:45] <ghostlines> does anyone know any network configuration gui tools?
[14:16] <kringell> ghostlines: you could quite easily teach him the basics of /etc/network/interfaces ?
[14:56] <ghostlines> kringell, looks like that's my only choice
[16:48] <newbbiesss> hello good day to you all can i get support in here?
[16:49] <guntbert> !ask
[16:49] <newbbiesss> ok
[16:52] <newbbiesss> i am trying to install a ZTE MF626 from telcel following this gui: http://www.ubuntu.org.uy/main/?q=node/986 but when i reach the 8 step i got this: http://pastebin.com/m39113374
[16:52] <newbbiesss> and i just can get it to work
[16:53] <newbbiesss> help pls
[17:55] <OscarTG> Ok I can't belive I am asking this question.  I need to figure out if the Ubuntu server install I am working on is 64 or 32 bit.  Is there a command to see this?
[17:55] <OscarTG> I was looking at uname but didn't see anything
[17:56] <OscarTG> wait sorry about this.  could I tell from the kernel version?
[18:06] <OscarTG> If you were given a per installed server to work on  and was told that "automatic security / system updates were configured" any suggestions on were to look to turn this off?
[18:12] <sub> OscarTG: starting at the beginning, re: 32-bit vs 64-bit if someone installed a 32bit kernel on a 64bit system the kernel version would be inaccurate
[18:13] <sub> `cat /proc/cpuinfo` and see if it tells you anything
[18:13] <OscarTG> hrmm.  but I can tell from that what os I am working with?  it is i686
[18:13] <OscarTG> that is 32 bit correct?
[18:14] <OscarTG> wow cpuinfo is pretty helpfull
[18:15] <OscarTG> ahh it is a quad core intel xeon.  what is funny is ubuntu sees it as 4 1 core processors
[18:16] <sub> yep
[18:16] <OscarTG> so any thoughts on the auto updates.
[18:16] <sub> I think you can remove the package "unattended-upgrades" but I don't know if that's the correct way
[18:16] <sub> Anyone else here know if that breaks anything?
[18:16] <OscarTG> i will look around a bit more.
[18:17] <sub> there's some apt config directives
[18:17] <sub> check the comments in the header of /etc/cron.daily/apt
[18:17] <OscarTG> i just love that fact that we ordered a server, 9.04 server minimum install, no additional packages, only add ssh.
[18:17] <sub> in particular "#  "APT::Periodic::Unattended-Upgrade""
[18:18] <OscarTG> and I got 9.10, ssh and LAMP, and auto updates.  sorry /end rant
[18:18] <OscarTG> thanks.
[18:18] <sub> hah, understandable
[18:19] <sub> if you didn't get what you want, you might want to start with a clean install
[18:20] <OscarTG> if i had access to the server I would.  we are moving one of our vmware servers to a hosting center and my boss yester day handed me an email and said he got want I wanted and needed it up by monday.
[18:20] <OscarTG> luckly i talked him into two extra paid vacation days around christmas
[18:22] <sub> ah ok
[18:22] <sub> well good luck with shaping it down to what you want
[18:23] <OscarTG> I will get it close but I haven't decided if I want to even worry about the LAMP part
[18:23] <OscarTG> I wish uninstalling LAMP was as easy as it is to install all of that during the OS install.
[18:24] <OscarTG> one click = so much more than what a lot of people realize
[18:28] <sub> you don't want it at all?
[18:28] <sub> any of it?
[18:29] <sub> OscarTG: sudo tasksel remove lamp-server
[18:30] <OscarTG> oh your kidding me.  You rock.
[18:30] <cottle> if I'm willing to learn how to securely maintain my server, and I'm willing to spend a couple of hours doing the initial configuration, how much time does it take from then on if security is essential? 30 mins per week? several hours per day?
[18:30] <sub> check tasksel's man page and tasksel --list-tasks
[18:31] <OscarTG> that just made my life so much easier
[18:32] <sub> cottle: depends to what extent you want to actively maintain the security of the server. some people may just install security updates once a week, some review logs meticulously, and others are active on all the relevant security/announce mailing lists
[18:32] <sub> cottle: really it just comes down to how much time you want to put into it
[18:33] <OscarTG> and some like to set it up to happen automaticly.  they should be shot and use windows.  ok sorry, no they shouldn't and there is probly a god case to use it some were.  :)
[18:34] <cottle> sub: not that I find it likely, but just assume that my web project gains popularity and potentially more people want to hack into my system. if I just update the system once every 3 days or so and don't do anything else, will I sooner or later lose the battle and get rooted?
[18:35] <sub> cottle: security is about risk management and there aren't any guarentees. it's essentially a well-calculated gamble where you try to stack the odds in your favor. sure, that could happen, but as long as your system is up to date AND you're following security best practices (both on the admin side of things and on the web project's development side of things) then it's likely you'll be fine for a very long time
[18:36] <cottle> sub: and if something should happen, I should keep a current backup and learn from my mistakes.
[18:36] <sub> yes, a current off-site backup
[18:36] <sub> and
[18:37] <sub> you should have a disaster recovery plan in case this does happen
[18:37] <sub> disaster recovery/business continuity
[18:37] <OscarTG> cottle: i think I am in a boat similar to what you are in.  Running your own server can be fun, save some money, and you can learn a ton.  If youproject goes big though, i would suggest looking into finding a good host to work with, not a cheep one, a good one.  That way you can focus on one part of it and the server side of things is handled by hopefully a group of people with much more experience.  It also allows you to make someone else responsible
[18:37] <OscarTG>  for a major part of it and everything doesn't fall onto you.
[18:38] <cottle> sub: I guess even a complete root attack isn't so bad, if you e.g. don't store passwords as plain text but instead use a hash with salt and things like that. you just reinstall the OS with the backup, learn from your mistakes and even if the attacker downloaded the entire database he has not much to gain. right?
[18:39] <sub> depends what their goal was but more importantly what you lose during the attack, such as the trust of your users, or money
[18:39] <cottle> OscarTG: I completely agree with you there. the point that worries me though is that the host with the group of people who will manage my server then doesn't support the web application interface I'm using, but just PHP. Or they don't support the database I'm using... and so on.
[18:41] <cottle> sorry for the bad English, I type faster than I can think...
[18:41] <sub> gotta go, racking a couple of servers and a SAN today
[18:42] <OscarTG> cottle: don't worry
[18:42] <cottle> sub: okay, thank you though :)
[18:42] <OscarTG> sub: thanks a ton for the help
[18:43] <cottle> OscarTG: what do you think regarding my last point?
[18:43] <OscarTG> cottle:  what insterface are you using? and is there a reason you are using PostgresSQL over  MySQL?
[18:44] <cottle> OscarTG: I'm use CGI, maybe FastCGI. maybe I implement my web application as a small web server that runs behind apache. currently I'm flexible enough that it only takes a few days of coding to switch between these possibilities. and I'm using PG over MySQL because I was told that is superior in both security and reliability.
[18:47] <cottle> s/I'm use/I use
[19:24] <pg1054> I'm setting up a number of sshfs mounts for automount via /etc/fstab.  I've a question about 'proper sytax' in the fstab.  All is clear re: passing *fuse* options.  I would like to also pass an SSH option, specifically a non-standard SSH config file.  That's, of course, the "-F" option to ssh.  What's the right syntax/usage for including that opt in fstab?
[19:24] <pg1054> I.e., where do I put it in: "sshfs#guest@guest.login.com:data /mnt/guest fuse uid=1003,gid=100,umask=0,allow_other 0 0" ?
[21:35] <LyonJT> hey
[21:35] <LyonJT> i have created a folder in /var/www and i need to give a user called lyon full access rights how can i do this?
[22:20] <freakynl> hi, are there any good root kit detectors in ubuntu server 8.04? Mainly looking for something that detects php shells and the like. we migrated an old server to a new ubuntu 8.04 and want some additional scans on possible left behind php shells etc (like r57 and c99)
[22:20] <freakynl> not really a rootkit thing thus only mysql db's and /var/www/vhosts came from old server. additional checks won't hurt tho'
[22:43] <bep> i added xorg on top of ubuntu server and when i do startx I am getting "X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting."