=== yoasif_ is now known as yoasif === jono is now known as jono2 [00:05] <_Groo_> hi/2 all [00:05] <_Groo_> i'm using radeon dri2/kms (im using for a long time now), since i upgraded to lucid with kde 4.4 beta 1 i cant activate compositing anymore. it works with compiz but not kwin. [00:12] _Groo_: the kde4.4beta release page says that compositing doesn't work for some hardware, maybe you're affected by that [00:13] <_Groo_> yofel: it always worked since 4.0, and compiz is working [00:13] <_Groo_> yofel: also, is the printer settings broken too? [00:14] _Groo_: see Known Problems http://kde.org/announcements/announce-4.4-beta1.php [00:14] dunno about the printer settings, I use hplip [00:15] printer settings are probably because the python bindings are still at KDE 4.3.3 [00:15] but kdebindings fails to build in beta, which is typical each kde release [00:15] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: ahh true.. kdebindings are for 4.3.3 [00:15] <_Groo_> 4.3.4 [00:16] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: lol yeah, true [00:17] grr, kde 4.4 deals badly with multiple monitors. [00:17] The second monitor's background is in front of everything else. [00:17] <_Groo_> yofel: some hardware is vage at least [00:17] _Groo_: well, I don't know more than that, sry [00:17] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: are you using 4.4? can you tell me if the clipboard (klipper) is broken? [00:17] works fine here [00:17] _Groo_: works for me [00:18] (klipper) [00:18] And plasma segfaults all the time.... tons and tons of times. [00:19] <_Groo_> yofel: very strange :P [00:19] not here, I have a (fixed upstream) kwin crash sometimes, but otherwise kde works fine [00:19] ah, about klipper: was 'use selection' turned on by default in kde4.3? [00:19] I thought that it was broken at first too [00:20] <_Groo_> yofel: where do i set that? [00:21] _Groo_: I set 'ignore selection' in the settings to get it to work as I expected [00:21] <_Groo_> yofel: you are joking? [00:21] <_Groo_> yofel: its the negative??? [00:21] _Groo_: no, what I mean is: I DO NOT want it to use the selection [00:22] I often replace selected text, which doesn't work with selection copy enabled [00:22] <_Groo_> yofel: doesnt work, always empty and i do have selection [00:23] SEcondary monitor (actually, the thing I WANT to have be primary!) is showing only a static image. [00:23] <_Groo_> yofel: and it always crashes on exit [00:23] _Groo_: oh, might have seen that crash too, doesn't happen always though [00:24] <_Groo_> yofel: im installing kdelibs5 dbs and qt4.5 dbg so i can report the bugs... [00:27] grr, using two different-dpi displays resets the thing back to 96 dpi! [00:27] GRR. [00:28] im going for the upgrade [00:28] :P [00:28] its updating to lucid now :D [00:28] xray7224: good luck [00:28] thanks :P [00:28] :P [00:29] grr, plasma died again. [00:29] hehe [00:29] DanaG: still using compiz? [00:29] Yup. [00:29] kwin compositing isn't working. [00:29] In fact, it isn't even TRYING to work. [00:30] xray7224: via what method ? [00:30] It thinks it is working, though... it shows it "enabled" in kde! [00:30] <_Groo_> DanaG: same problem here [00:30] er, in systemsettings. [00:30] BUGabundo, just update-manager -d [00:30] ok [00:30] just making sure :) [00:30] <_Groo_> DanaG: mine just enables if i have compiz running, but never really works.. if you restart kde without any compositing it fails miserably [00:32] grr, kde doesn't acknowledge xrandr dpi changes. === jono2 is now known as jono [00:53] Hey [00:53] anyone here know where I can edit for the kernel startup [00:54] there no menu.lst [00:54] !grub2 | mysticdarkhack [00:54] mysticdarkhack: GRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager in Karmic. For more information and troubleshooting on GRUB2 please refer to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2 [00:55] someone should: s/in Karmic/since Karmic/ === BUGabundo1 is now known as BUGabundo [01:39] BUGabundo, i realize you need bug testers for chromium-browser, but i can't see anything wrong with it... [01:39] works fine [01:40] okay [01:40] coolio [01:41] that's what we like to hear [01:41] which ablocker works best with it? [01:44] bjsnider: (01:42:29 AM) fta: BUGabundo, codecs broken, webgl broken, some say svg broken but wfm, ... [01:44] AdThwart [01:44] not as good as adblock :( [01:44] not even close [01:46] i'm using adblock now, but it doesn't block the ads until they've already loaded [01:47] what is webgl supposed to mean [01:47] svg would be handled by webkit [01:48] codecs? you mean for html5? [01:48] bjsnider: ask fta :) [01:48] I'm just the messenger [01:48] what channel? [01:48] #ubuntu-mozillateam [01:49] as usua [01:49] as usual [01:49] and yes, I know the irony [01:49] should be called [01:49] #ubuntu-browsers [01:49] i think there's a chromium support channel [01:51] for ubuntu ? [01:51] or upstream? [01:52] upstream [01:54] is there still a memory leak with nautilus? [01:55] im having a really bad time with memory being used on boot up. [02:00] 1831 bugabund 40 0 874m 52m 12m S 0 1.3 2:32.65 nautilus [02:00] it aint that bad [02:00] 7810 1634e4 3998 920K 1.1G 192.3M 1.1G 192.3M 5% pidgin [02:00] 17955 198076 354 2130K 698.1M 142.8M 698.1M 142.8M 4% gwibber [02:00] 4786 413456 1076 32515K 879.3M 106.3M 879.3M 106.3M 3% chromium-brows [02:10] well just booting into lxde desktop i loose about 256 meg. im going to run htop and see whats doing it. [02:14] i_is_broke: run sudo atop 2 [02:14] press 'm' for memory [02:17] k [02:25] jpg [02:27] png [02:27] BMP [02:27] TIFF? [02:27] pong [02:27] poink [02:27] snailmail ?! [02:27] i still dont see anything that should be using that much memory? [02:27] duke nuken ? [02:27] s/n /m // [02:29] its weird, gkrllem says its down to like 140 meg unused, but atop says im only using like 119 megs total. [02:29] but it acts like i dont have any unused, its very doggish. [02:31] argh, volume controls on ac97 audio with pulseaudio are rather thoroughly broken. [02:32] conservative governor failed, too long transition latency of HW, fallback to performance governor [02:32] grr. [02:32] hold on ill send this to pastebin and show you what im talking about. by the way im i_is_broke this is my test box here. [02:32] SO what if it has long latency? how do I override this? [02:33] !pastebin [02:33] For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://tinyurl.com/imagebin | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic [02:34] DanaG: ohh so that's why [02:34] mine gets at performanceBAHH [02:34] So you have either omgfullspeedallthetime or low-speed, and no auto-throttling at all! [02:34] It used to give you slow throttling, at the very least! [02:35] http://paste.ubuntu.com/340282/ [02:37] ok i cant handle this rebooting [02:37] bbiab [02:39] http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=287463 [02:39] bugs.gentoo.org bug 287463 in Core system "Kernel modifications break ondemand frequency scaling from conserving power" [Major,Reopened] [02:39] GRRRR! [02:42] < Detailed C-state information is not P-states (frequencies) [02:42] wtf? [02:42] that's broken grammar. [02:54] horrible, horrible, horrible: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/410948 [02:54] Ubuntu bug 410948 in pulseaudio "Volume too loud" [Medium,Confirmed] [02:55] wasn't there a similar bug in the karmic cycle? [03:00] actually, what I'm seeing that on, is my old desktop... haven't booted it in months. [03:01] Linux GLaDOS 2.6.31-5-generic #24-Ubuntu SMP Sat Aug 1 12:48:18 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux [03:01] I'm upgrading it to Karmic final. [03:01] My issue is different: as you slide the volume control in pulseaudio, the underlying hardware "sliders" get twiddled, seemingly randomly. [03:02] I can even jiggle it around near 1% in pavucontrol, and you'll see surround and front each jump around separately. [03:02] this is really getting annoying, i reboot and memory is fine now. [03:19] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=478604 [03:19] bugzilla.redhat.com bug 478604 in kernel "emu10k1: "Master" slider should be name "Front" because it only controls Front L+R." [Medium,New] [03:19] this bug report, last post, describes the same symptoms as what I have with ac97. [03:26] how do you disable the screensaver [03:27] it just goes instantly black after 10minutes [03:33] DanaG: I would need a codec dump and amixer output [03:34] ah, I suppose I should update the kernel to at least karmic release-version first. [03:34] DanaG: also, beware that it's very difficult to fix properly for "all" Creative cards driven by emu10k1, because different revisions of the Sigmatel 9750,1 act differently [03:35] Oh yeah, the actual card I'm speaking of that has those symptoms, is ALC650, actually. [03:35] it's just that the mixers behavior is broken the same way. [03:36] oh, the Realteks are far worse [03:36] at least there's method to the Sigmatel madness [03:38] i don't think i've heard you say anything good about any sound chips at all [03:38] Anyway, since it's a machine I very rarely use (perhaps like once or twice a year, just for the heck of it), it's not too much of an issue. [03:38] Hmm, I haven't really had any good sound chips. Then again, what would you call "good"? [03:39] I have my screwy-dB USB card that confuses even Windows... my notebook Audigy that's cardbus, not expresscard... and I have various onboard sound chips on various computers. [03:40] well, maybe there aren't any good sound chips and the whole bloody business is just a giant con job [03:42] I bet Aureal were the last good one... and Creative crushed them. [03:43] I'm also curious about those Xonar cards. [03:44] argh... stupid Apple keyboard (borrowed from my dad's closet)... keeps dying. [03:44] that's the cmxxxx chip right? [03:45] Xonar PCI ones are 8788, or something. [03:46] i'd like to see dtchen write a blog about his recommended sound cards for use with ubuntu/pulse and vista/win7 [03:46] i have a feeling it would be a short list [03:46] and of course it would have to include the cards he'd like us to stay away from [03:46] which would presumably be a much longer list [03:47] anyone else lose TTYs [03:49] damnit, the mouse died, too! [03:50] And so did every other method of input. [03:50] Including vnc... I could view, but no input worked! [03:50] bad case of lack of input [03:51] And even ssh failed, too. [03:53] Argh, it seems USB on the machine itself just perma-died. [03:53] restart udev [03:53] i guess you can't [03:54] hmm, it un-died now. [03:54] Had to hard power off. [03:54] I pressed power button... it said "will now halt"... and then just sat there. [03:54] In Xorg., [03:55] bjsnider: there are no "good" cards from my perspective; each has a list of known quirks and workarounds a mile long [03:55] if you've ever done RE on a Windows driver, you'll see that, too [03:55] you meant o tell me there aren't some you'd say "do not buy this card on penalty of death"? [03:56] that's a different question [03:56] any card is acceptable if you're willing to accept the risk [03:56] there are certainly degrees of badness [03:56] certainly [03:56] some must be less than awful [03:56] sure. It largely depends on the desired feature set. [03:57] Anyway, that motherboard has been through a PSU death (via exploded capacitor), so the state of the board itself is certainly screwed up in some way. [03:57] what if i desire bass/treble hardware controls? [03:58] spend a few hundred bucks and get a pro card. [03:58] such as what? [03:58] for the life of me, I don't know why you would want bass/treble hw controls on a card anyhow [03:58] can we please move the non Lucid topics to #ubuntu-offtopic [03:58] One pro card I tried: M-Audio something ice7412 or something. [03:58] It actually made PulseAudio CRASH. [03:58] Or rather, failed assertions. [03:59] But, that was ages ago that I tried it. [03:59] that's alsa-lib's fault [03:59] speaker system doesn't do any analog sound filtering [03:59] I could pretty easily patch around it, but I'll incur the wrath of two upstreams [04:01] dangit, now it won't boot... dies somewhere in radeon. [04:01] Time to make radeon not load, the same way I made vga16fb not load: feed it garbage parameters. [04:03] ARgh, now the stupid friendly-recovery thing doesn't even work! [04:04] AND now... unable to mount root FS! [04:05] And then keyboard stopped working again. [04:06] Had to actually unplug PSU to get keyboard back. [04:08] now where's sysrq on Apple? [04:10] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mountall/+bug/458352 [04:10] Ubuntu bug 458352 in mountall "Karmic - Corrupted Recovery Menu (dup-of: 456806)" [High,Incomplete] [04:10] Ubuntu bug 456806 in mountall "mountall vomits a shell onto virtual console when you run vi" [High,Fix released] [04:11] ARRRRRRRRRRRRGH [04:12] HULK SMASH! [04:12] And now keyboard died again. Grr....reat. [04:26] hmm, has update-manager had lucid added as "a new development version" yet? [04:26] yes [04:27] hmm, I "fixed" my usb breakage... by pulling out a PS/2 keyboard. [04:27] grep: block: no such file or directory [04:27] grep: devices: no such file or directory [04:27] grep: found: no such file or directory [04:27] Isn't that an old, now-fixed bug? [04:27] =þ [04:28] No wonder things were broken... that machine was left alone since August or so. [04:28] And then:\ [04:28] no raid devices and with names: "no block devices found" [04:28] AND with names? [04:34] yay, now to upgrade that thing to lucid. [04:35] grr, PCI SATA == le suck. [04:35] Disk activity brings the whole system grinding to a halt. [04:36] DanaG: please keep on lucid topic not you pc issues [04:47] Anyway... time to upgrade to lucid, and try R300 KMS. [04:55] sudo do-release-upgrade --devel-release: checking for a new ubuntu release......... no new release found. [04:55] Do I just need to go the raw sources.list route? [04:56] i did sudo update-manger -d [04:56] and it found 10.04 [04:57] argh, but that needs Xorg, and I feel more comfortable doing upgrades under console (in case xorg dies, or such). [04:58] 9.10 is making me mad, im redoing my regular box and now its being totally stupid no mouse and dpkg is broke as well when doing their friggin updates. im having more problems with it then i am 10.04 [05:26] this is truely bogus as i installed the final release of karmic, its a total disaster, but if i install the beta release of karmic it works fine..ugh [05:26] ill probably just go ahead and update it to lucid as well..and just skip karmic totally. [05:26] im really starting to believe its the vista of ubuntu....:( [05:27] no.... [05:27] [05:27] lol [05:27] naaaw [05:28] s/insert// [05:29] any how, where do i go to look for bug reports launch pad? i want to see if anyone else is having memory issues as well? [05:29] "memory issues"? [05:30] yeah it seems like sometimes when i reboot the system, its using all but like 150 meg of ram on lxde or xfce. [05:31] memory is meant to be used [05:31] and thats before i start any programs [05:31] as long as mem isn't filled up it's fine [05:31] yeah but when your only running 512 thats alot to be used on nothing [05:31] What's it filled up with? [05:31] Cache, or filled by one program? [05:32] that's intentional [05:32] dont know everytime i try and check its like there are several programs bouncing around... [05:32] linux caches aggressively, and you should know that ureadahead also is working [05:32] then if i reboot i get about 350 meg free. and it runs normal. [05:32] ALSA lib conf.c:2714:(snd_config_hooks_call) function X�Y ication.name returned error: Invalid argument [05:32] and earlier: [05:32] ALSA lib conf.c:1179:(parse_def) show is not a compound [05:32] ALSA lib conf.c:1589:(snd_config_load1) _toplevel_:17:26:Unexpected char [05:33] DanaG: what version? [05:33] alsa-libs version? [05:33] yes [05:33] alsa-base: [05:33] Version: 1.0.20+dfsg-1ubuntu5 [05:33] like im running gnome now and pidgin and xchat and amarok and still have 255 free meg after rebooting. [05:33] karmic's? [05:33] I'm upgrading it to lucid anyway... will check again once upgrade completes. [05:34] Yeah, I think it's karmic's. [05:34] yeah, I just uploaded a bunch of fixes earlier for alsa-* [05:34] (lucid, of course) [05:34] That old desktop has an R350 in it. [05:35] oh yeah, and I figured out why Plymouth doesn't work. [05:36] http://www.mail-archive.com/plymouth@lists.freedesktop.org/msg00045.html [05:38] https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=22239 [05:38] Freedesktop bug 22239 in plymouth general "improve console= handling" [Normal,New] [05:38] and yeah i know i need to get more ram for this thing, but it takes rambus memory and that crap is not cheap....and yes its crap. [05:38] heh, probably cheaper to get a whole secondhand machine than to get more rdram. [05:39] ya you know it. [05:40] i was looking on ebay at it, and they want 100$ for a gig. [05:41] thats why i have been running it on lxde or xfce. [05:42] random: http://www.publicsurplus.com/sms/auction/view?auc=394214 [05:44] hey that looks like my old crap i have running..lol [05:45] na actually this is a dual p3 866 [05:45] Nifty. [05:45] old dell optiplex gx300 [05:47] First dual-CPU system I ever used, was Dual P2 350, later upgraded to Dual P3-650. Used standard SDRAM. Dell Precision 410, I think it was. Even had SCSI onboard. [05:48] Once I tried that, I knew I never wanted to go single-core again... in terms of responsiveness, it beat even my 2GHz Athlon XP. [05:48] (granted, my AthlonXP system had tons of random stuff on it at the time.) [05:49] grr, stupid apple mighty mouse... keeps turning itself off. [05:50] yeah i just wished i had at least a gig of ram in it..would be a little better...oh well...for now it will work...just want to find out whats going on with the memory issue. [05:50] someone said that nautilus had a memory leak, but i havent seen it. [05:51] I've seen a leak in kded, I think. [05:51] Had it cause OOM kills on a system with 4 gigs of RAM. [05:51] But it only happened once. [05:51] there is apparently a PA memleak, but no one has provided a useful valgrind (massif mode) trace [05:52] well i tried booting in to gnome when it was doing that and before i could get the system to reboot i had a ton of things trying to start down on the bottom taskbar. [05:52] next time it does it im going to try and see what it is thats trying to do that... [05:52] actually im going to try and do an update and see if it will do it again. [05:52] brb [05:53] hmm, what's massif mode? [06:03] now when i want it to do it it wont..go figure. [06:03] rebooted the dang thing 4 times and its working now. [06:35] http://pastebin.com/f2ef0b9ae [06:35] radeon oops. [08:07] grr, radeon is null-pointer-dereference'ing. [08:08] www.pastebin.com/f2056135c [08:08] er [08:08] any idea on howto disable the hidden screensaver [08:08] www.pastebin.com/f2956135c [08:09] http://pastebin.com/f2956135c [08:09] ah [08:14] oooh, thunder. [08:16] it should be OK to update from karmic to lucid now right? [08:16] (not like it crash half-way or something?) [08:17] maybe. === Hans_Henrik_ is now known as Hans_Henrik [08:34] [08:34] Kernel driver in use: agpgart-nvidia [08:34] Kernel modules: nvidia-agp [09:09] anyone else having the sound muted at each reboot [09:09] dtchen, ping [09:10] ops, there is an update to alsautils [09:12] hmm, lucid is still giving me the same corrupt-file thingy. [09:23] !find libatk-bridge.so [09:24] File libatk-bridge.so found in at-spi, libatspi-dbg === debfx_ is now known as debfx [09:29] http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=ba879241ee535ec75ec628f9f92e2a428348bbc4 [09:29] there's my alsa-info. [11:15] ok... just rebooted and I had a mixture of MY and the default kde desktop. 2 panels and a folderview more that messes up my desktop isn't what I expect from an update... [11:34] wow i upgraded well too soon :P [11:37] brb [11:49] hmm i don't know whether to report a bug about my nvidia card === Trewas666 is now known as Trewas [11:58] brb [12:34] does anyone know when lucid will have the nvidia drivers === seren is now known as seren__ [12:34] anyone on Kubuntu lucid alpha 1 ? [12:35] I got a strange problem where all my applications have disappeared from kickoff or lancelot, krunner [13:40] hello i do the upgrade now there are more problem with this alpha? [13:41] my X hasn't been working for 3 days, I get signal 11 in my xorg.log, so yeah, at least some problems. [13:42] so work great? [13:43] gianluigisk8: what? [13:43] hi. i currently have the probl that plasma-desktop isn't started automatically when logging into KDE. Is this a known probl? Or have I messed up sth by myself? [13:43] it's work good? === Ricey_ is now known as Ricey [13:43] gianluigisk8: I just told you my X doesn't work, why are you asking that? [13:44] ah sorry... [13:44] i do the upgrade now [13:45] You have other problem? [13:45] gianluigisk8, you might want to wait a bit. people are having and issue with x [13:46] sorry ^^ what you intend eith X? [13:46] with* [13:46] gianluigisk8: the graphics interface. [13:47] gianluigisk8, depending on your graphics card, X may not work [13:47] gianluigisk8: so with my nvidia gfx card, I get no graphics, only text mode. [13:47] ah,.. i have got ati radeon 1600 xt [13:48] i'm not more expert with the text mode [13:48] SwedeMike, they was talking about nvidia graphics last night and a work around. if bugabundo comes in ask him, he was one of them talking about it..something about the 190 driver. [13:50] this computer uses the sis chip set so its not to bad, and other computer is an old nvidia tnt2 that loads with just the nv. [13:51] the nouveau driver will work with the old card [13:51] bho i try it now than it not work i reistall 9.10 [13:55] gianluigisk8, g/l [14:01] what? [14:02] g/l?? [14:02] "Good luck". I think. [14:03] ah XD [14:43] hey guys [14:54] hello [14:55] ola i_is_broke [14:55] hehe BUGabundo [14:55] * mac_v cries [14:55] * BUGabundo gives mac_v a tissue [14:55] question for ya granted its karmic related but whats the name of the package for software compilation 4.3.4 [14:55] BUGabundo, wasnt it you last night talking about the nvidia driver? [14:56] or was it DanaG [14:56] no idea [14:56] what do you want to know? [14:56] anyone know of a bug in synaptic ? i cant find any apps in synaptic Lucid[coulnt find xchat/conky... nothing ]... had to come back to karmic :( [14:57] someone was in here earlier did update and had no x and last night i remember someone talking about uploading a ppa for the 190 driver. [14:57] and he was running a new nvidia card. [14:57] but hey who knows i have slept since then too. [14:57] not me [14:57] mac_v: humm I had a prob with running newly installed apps [14:57] might of been dtchen too.. [14:57] mac_v, how did you upgrade to lucid firstly [14:58] until I open a new terminal [14:58] i installed lucid on a separate partition [14:58] clean install [14:58] well anyways, im out for a while, going to church..be back later..have a good one. [15:03] any idea wht the name of this package is in its ppa http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.3.4 [15:09] eagles0513875: ,i believe it is a pre-release for 4.3.4 , it has loads of packages [15:09] well thats what i understood of KDE SC... [15:09] * mac_v hides... never used KDE for too long ;p [15:10] lol [15:10] can never find any kde users in here :( all on gnome [15:11] True. :( [15:11] u kde as well Mitch [15:12] When I'm using Linux, yes. [15:12] what desktop environment? [15:12] Mostly in a VM, FWIW. [15:13] hehe im going to be trying out lucid in a vm for now [15:13] Like I answered, KDE. [15:13] ahhh sry mis read that [15:17] when i try to run the installer on the kubuntu lucid alpha cd it just quits without any error message. how can i get it to run? or diagnose what's the problem? === nastas_ is now known as nastas [15:25] Torch: did you use manual partitioning and "format" partition and install? [15:26] mac_v: i booted from the CD in virtualbox. [15:27] mac_v: now the installer icon sits there in a folder view. when i double click it nothing happens. when i run the app behind it ("ubiquity"), it just quits. [15:27] Torch: oh... so it stopped , even ahead of the install process [15:27] mac_v: it does not run at all. no signs of life. [15:27] Torch: try the install option, install of the try Kubuntu [15:28] instead of* [15:28] eagles0513875: pong (KDE user) [15:28] yofel: have you tried the software-compilation package in the ppa [15:28] eagles0513875: and KDE SC is just the new official name for KDE [15:29] O_o [15:29] ahh ok [15:30] eagles0513875: http://dot.kde.org/2009/11/24/repositioning-kde-brand [15:31] it *IS* a bit confusing at first [15:31]