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chaotikcorehello all02:06
chaotikcoreive got a ? for anyone who can answer it02:16
ion!02:17
cody-somervillechaotikcore, Just ask.02:25
ionIt’s ok, my exclamation mark already answered his question mark.02:25
chaotikcorewas talking to someone sorry..i need to know how to edit the pass prompt gui if possible in 9.1002:26
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m4tis there a way to get at Hal via dbus, given the default 9.10 setup?06:25
m4term nm06:27
m4ti was on the session bus06:27
jdong[jdong@hideout:aa-tools/sudont]$ sudont-exec sudont_0b1bda83-e83c-41f6-bfad-8a0c49196ef8 bash07:35
jdongbash: /etc/bash.bashrc: Permission denied07:35
jdongbash: /etc/bash_completion: Permission denied07:35
jdongI have no name!@hideout:~/code/aa-tools/sudont$07:35
jdongkees: ^^ *grins* the pieces are getting somewhere!07:35
keesjdong: *rofl* sudont07:36
jdongLOL I thought it was an amusing working name!07:36
jdong[183484.258291] BUG: unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at (null)08:27
jdong[183484.258291] IP: [<ffffffff8125ee7d>] aa_unpack+0xdd/0x2d008:27
jdong[183484.258291] PGD 2e379067 PUD 5cabf067 PMD 008:27
jdong[183484.258291] Oops: 0000 [#6] SMP08:27
jdongkees: ^^ did you know 2.6.32 seems to blow up when apparmor_parser --add is given a empty profile?08:27
jdongi.e. profile foo {}08:27
jdongI SUPPOSE technically  by apparmor.d(5) a empty profile IS a syntax error...08:28
jdongbut... this is an awfully mean way of telling me!08:28
ScottKjdong: You enage in undefined behavior and anything can happing.  Just be glad it didn't eat your hard drive as a way of notification.08:30
jdong:)08:31
keesjdong: ewww08:34
keesjdong: can you open a bug for that so it doesn't get lost?08:34
jdonghahaha sure thing!08:34
keescute.  gdm will FTBFS if there is a ~ in its version string.08:37
jdongok kees, bug 496110 reported08:42
ubottuLaunchpad bug 496110 in linux "AppArmor oops when loading an empty profile" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/49611008:42
keesjdong: thx08:51
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maxbCould someone (who is a core-dev) push lp:~maxb/ubuntu/lucid/subversion/merge into lp:ubuntu/subversion? It's already been uploaded to the archive, but bzr hasn't been updated accordingly. Thanks.10:00
maxbI've committed a final revision to the branch fixing it up to exactly what was uploaded, and have `bzr mark-uploaded` it10:00
ari-tczewhello devs, please take look at lucid's bug #49416610:21
ubottuLaunchpad bug 494166 in nvidia-graphics-drivers-180 "[lucid] nvidia-glx can't work with new xorg 7.5" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/49416610:21
squirrelpimphi. i just noticed the following behaviour in thunar, the xubuntu/xfce filemanager, so please interrupt me, if i'm supposed to ask in #xubuntu-devel:11:25
squirrelpimpif i copy a large file to an usbstick, it proceeds in about 1 second for a 300 MB file (which comes from a tmpfs). Of course it ends up in the dirty buffers, so it still has to be actually written to the disk.11:27
squirrelpimpi the file is sufficiently large, the writeback exceeds the timeout when ejecting the volume right after the copy finished.11:27
squirrelpimptherefor i copy the file, open a terminal, type "sync" and wait for it to return before the umount11:28
squirrelpimpnow the question: Is the behaviour in ubuntu/gnome the same? and would it make sense to have a kind of countdown in the "data is still being written" popup depicting the amount of data to be flushed to disk?11:29
squirrelpimpalso is there a command to flush only buffers for a single disk?11:29
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RiotingPacifistI've installed libs to /usr/local how do i get the system to use them instead of the defaults (globally,  e.g not for just a program as i launch it)?14:59
RiotingPacifistsorry to repeat this but i lost all logs for the last 30mins so if i got a reply i lost it I've installed libs to /usr/local how do i get the system to use them instead of the defaults (globally,  e.g not for just a program as i launch it)?15:47
geserthey should be picked up before the ones from /usr/lib automatically (beware: having libs in /usr/local which are also packaged might cause upgrade problems later)16:09
RiotingPacifistgeser: when i run lsof | grep <name of lib> it shows programs still using the old ones :S16:11
RiotingPacifistgeser: never mind i've rebooted and now everything is using the new versions, not sure what i did earlier16:12
geserdid you restart the program?16:12
RiotingPacifistcrashed and restarted everything (but i swear i had restarted everything before, meh it works now :D)16:12
geserif it's a long running program (like a server process) you need to restart it to use the new libs16:12
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Gh0styanyone can help debugging printer driver issues? my network printer -epson alc1100- works on ubuntu 32 bit but not on 64 bit and cups does not provide me with any errors ... :(17:19
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RiotingPacifistwhy does ubuntu dd /proc/kmsg to /var/run/kmsg instead of just changing the rights on /proc/kmsg so syslog can read it?17:58
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dtchenany archive admins: what else is necessary for JACK to be promoted back into main? e.g., Does a main source package simply need to build-dep against libjack-dev?18:40
dtchen(JACK -> jack-audio-connection-kit)18:40
ScottKdtchen: Is there an approved MIR?18:40
ScottKdtchen: When you say "back into Main", I gather it was there before?  In these cases a full MIR is not always required.18:41
dtchenScottK: discussion seems to have stalled (bug 416778 from https://wiki.ubuntu.org/MainInclusionReport/libffado)18:43
ubottuLaunchpad bug 416778 in libffado "[MIR] libffado" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/41677818:43
ScottKLooking18:43
dtchenalso, yes, j-a-c-k was in main many releases ago. Perhaps 5.04/Hoary?18:44
ScottKdtchen: In the last comment in the bug, it seems to me that pitti says you need a MIR for jack and freebob either needs a MIR or dropped from depends.18:48
ScottKdtchen: What's the status on those things?18:48
dtchen(using pull-lp-source now)18:48
dtchenScottK: ok, so the process for j-a-c-k appears to be blocked on the freebob build-dep, which I'll clear up18:50
dtchenScottK: how about for libffado?18:50
ScottKdtchen: It looks like it just needs a Main dep/build-dep (which it will get when jack is promoted)18:51
dtchenScottK: ok, thanks18:51
ScottKdtchen: Is there another bug for the jack MIR?  It appears one is needed.18:52
dtchenScottK: will get it ironed out via ubuntustudio-devel18:53
ScottKdtchen: OK.  Good luck.18:53
jdongkees: apparmor question... Maybe PEBKAC maybe a parser bug...20:33
jdongsuppose I have profile foo{ profile /bin/bar{ ... } }20:33
jdongi.e. a nested named subprofile20:33
jdongI can add this file with apparmor_parser --add and everything is happy20:33
jdongbut if I pass the same file into apparmor_parser --remove, I get a "failed: profile /bin/bar doesn't exist"20:34
jdonghowever, profile foo and foo//bin/bar are indeed correctly unloaded.20:34
jdongIs this a bug with the parser not knowing how to handle subprofiles?20:34
jdongin my case of letting users insert and remove subprofiles, I'm concerned if I ACTUALLY have a profile called /bin/bar system-wide, apparmor would proceed to unload that.20:34
jdongscratch the latter -- it's not stupid enough to remove a same-named global profile, though it won't print out the error otherwise20:37
jdongI think it is a "cosmetic bug" -- I'll file it later20:37
jdonghttp://paste.ubuntu.com/340760/20:38
jdongbut just as a progress update ^^ now you can pass in snippets of an AA policy file to be loaded20:38
jdongnext, we'll work on --auto(magically) generating reasonable rulesets and other useful helpers that should be useful outside this project as well :)20:39
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nixternalogra: is it true, that karmic will not work on my sheevaplug?21:17
wgrantnixternal: Yes :(21:22
nixternalargh21:24
nixternalwget debian.iso21:24
tormodwhy is that?21:24
nixternal>= karmic is compiling armel packages with the armv6 flag it seems, whereas debian is still using armv521:25
wgranttormod: SheevaPlugs are only ARMv5, whereas Karmic needs ARMv621:25
nixternalI think I have that correct21:25
wgrantAnd Lucid needs ARMv7+thumb221:25
nixternallovely21:25
nixternali was going to go pick up 5 of the sheevaplugs for $60/ea21:26
tormodnixternal, where do you get them?21:26
nixternalrethinking that now, and looking at a few mini-itx dual-core atom boards21:26
nixternaltormod: online, but my dad told me about a local place that was showing them off to him...he just told me about them 30 minutes ago21:27
wgrantHopefully there will be ARMv7 SheevaPlugs/OpenRDs at some point soon :/21:27
nixternalwgrant: same here...i couldn't find anything solid though21:27
wgrantnixternal: Me neither.21:27
tormodhmm they are more like 170$ here, one way or another21:28
* wgrant disappears to work.21:28
nixternalwow, I have found them online for $7921:28
nixternalebay is like $15021:28
tormodlink? :)21:28
nixternalgoogle had a link on the side when googling "sheevaplug"21:28
nixternalit might be though when you purchase more than 1, maybe if you purchase like 2 or more then they are $79/ea21:29
tormodI don't get any ads on google, I don't know if I am sad or glad21:30
nixternallol21:30
tormodthe thing is if these shops ship to europe they only use parcel services which here is 50+ then customs ??++21:32
nixternalyeah, I just noticed that as well21:34
nixternalGlobalscale, $99 for the plug, $30 for the cheapest ground shipping21:34
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nixternalfor $60 more I can fly to their location, pick it up, and fly back home :)21:35
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Trewaspricing between US and europe is sometimes ridiculous, a while ago I was planning to buy a dell monitor but then I noticed that it would have been cheaper to fly to new york (from finland) and buy it there... so I did not buy it21:40
syn-ackTrewas, Thats VAT for ya...21:41
Trewassyn-ack: that's only part of it21:43
syn-ackI'm sure. heh21:43
tormodusually they take the price in $ and uses it in €, that's the first 50%+21:43
syn-ackyikes21:45
tormodas in the example above a 100$ product imported from US can cost 200$ altogether, the shops here know this and go as high as they can21:47
tormodthat's capitalism for you21:47
tormoduh, free market I mean21:48
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