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[02:06] <chaotikcore> hello all
[02:16] <chaotikcore> ive got a ? for anyone who can answer it
[02:17] <ion> !
[02:25] <cody-somerville> chaotikcore, Just ask.
[02:25] <ion> It’s ok, my exclamation mark already answered his question mark.
[02:26] <chaotikcore> was talking to someone sorry..i need to know how to edit the pass prompt gui if possible in 9.10
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[06:25] <m4t> is there a way to get at Hal via dbus, given the default 9.10 setup?
[06:27] <m4t> erm nm
[06:27] <m4t> i was on the session bus
[07:35] <jdong> [jdong@hideout:aa-tools/sudont]$ sudont-exec sudont_0b1bda83-e83c-41f6-bfad-8a0c49196ef8 bash
[07:35] <jdong> bash: /etc/bash.bashrc: Permission denied
[07:35] <jdong> bash: /etc/bash_completion: Permission denied
[07:35] <jdong> I have no name!@hideout:~/code/aa-tools/sudont$
[07:35] <jdong> kees: ^^ *grins* the pieces are getting somewhere!
[07:36] <kees> jdong: *rofl* sudont
[07:36] <jdong> LOL I thought it was an amusing working name!
[08:27] <jdong> [183484.258291] BUG: unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at (null)
[08:27] <jdong> [183484.258291] IP: [<ffffffff8125ee7d>] aa_unpack+0xdd/0x2d0
[08:27] <jdong> [183484.258291] PGD 2e379067 PUD 5cabf067 PMD 0
[08:27] <jdong> [183484.258291] Oops: 0000 [#6] SMP
[08:27] <jdong> kees: ^^ did you know 2.6.32 seems to blow up when apparmor_parser --add is given a empty profile?
[08:27] <jdong> i.e. profile foo {}
[08:28] <jdong> I SUPPOSE technically  by apparmor.d(5) a empty profile IS a syntax error...
[08:28] <jdong> but... this is an awfully mean way of telling me!
[08:30] <ScottK> jdong: You enage in undefined behavior and anything can happing.  Just be glad it didn't eat your hard drive as a way of notification.
[08:31] <jdong> :)
[08:34] <kees> jdong: ewww
[08:34] <kees> jdong: can you open a bug for that so it doesn't get lost?
[08:34] <jdong> hahaha sure thing!
[08:37] <kees> cute.  gdm will FTBFS if there is a ~ in its version string.
[08:42] <jdong> ok kees, bug 496110 reported
[08:42] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 496110 in linux "AppArmor oops when loading an empty profile" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/496110
[08:51] <kees> jdong: thx
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[10:00] <maxb> Could someone (who is a core-dev) push lp:~maxb/ubuntu/lucid/subversion/merge into lp:ubuntu/subversion? It's already been uploaded to the archive, but bzr hasn't been updated accordingly. Thanks.
[10:00] <maxb> I've committed a final revision to the branch fixing it up to exactly what was uploaded, and have `bzr mark-uploaded` it
[10:21] <ari-tczew> hello devs, please take look at lucid's bug #494166
[10:21] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 494166 in nvidia-graphics-drivers-180 "[lucid] nvidia-glx can't work with new xorg 7.5" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/494166
[11:25] <squirrelpimp> hi. i just noticed the following behaviour in thunar, the xubuntu/xfce filemanager, so please interrupt me, if i'm supposed to ask in #xubuntu-devel:
[11:27] <squirrelpimp> if i copy a large file to an usbstick, it proceeds in about 1 second for a 300 MB file (which comes from a tmpfs). Of course it ends up in the dirty buffers, so it still has to be actually written to the disk.
[11:27] <squirrelpimp> i the file is sufficiently large, the writeback exceeds the timeout when ejecting the volume right after the copy finished.
[11:28] <squirrelpimp> therefor i copy the file, open a terminal, type "sync" and wait for it to return before the umount
[11:29] <squirrelpimp> now the question: Is the behaviour in ubuntu/gnome the same? and would it make sense to have a kind of countdown in the "data is still being written" popup depicting the amount of data to be flushed to disk?
[11:29] <squirrelpimp> also is there a command to flush only buffers for a single disk?
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[14:59] <RiotingPacifist> I've installed libs to /usr/local how do i get the system to use them instead of the defaults (globally,  e.g not for just a program as i launch it)?
[15:47] <RiotingPacifist> sorry to repeat this but i lost all logs for the last 30mins so if i got a reply i lost it I've installed libs to /usr/local how do i get the system to use them instead of the defaults (globally,  e.g not for just a program as i launch it)?
[16:09] <geser> they should be picked up before the ones from /usr/lib automatically (beware: having libs in /usr/local which are also packaged might cause upgrade problems later)
[16:11] <RiotingPacifist> geser: when i run lsof | grep <name of lib> it shows programs still using the old ones :S
[16:12] <RiotingPacifist> geser: never mind i've rebooted and now everything is using the new versions, not sure what i did earlier
[16:12] <geser> did you restart the program?
[16:12] <RiotingPacifist> crashed and restarted everything (but i swear i had restarted everything before, meh it works now :D)
[16:12] <geser> if it's a long running program (like a server process) you need to restart it to use the new libs
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[17:19] <Gh0sty> anyone can help debugging printer driver issues? my network printer -epson alc1100- works on ubuntu 32 bit but not on 64 bit and cups does not provide me with any errors ... :(
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[17:58] <RiotingPacifist> why does ubuntu dd /proc/kmsg to /var/run/kmsg instead of just changing the rights on /proc/kmsg so syslog can read it?
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[18:40] <dtchen> any archive admins: what else is necessary for JACK to be promoted back into main? e.g., Does a main source package simply need to build-dep against libjack-dev?
[18:40] <dtchen> (JACK -> jack-audio-connection-kit)
[18:40] <ScottK> dtchen: Is there an approved MIR?
[18:41] <ScottK> dtchen: When you say "back into Main", I gather it was there before?  In these cases a full MIR is not always required.
[18:43] <dtchen> ScottK: discussion seems to have stalled (bug 416778 from https://wiki.ubuntu.org/MainInclusionReport/libffado)
[18:43] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 416778 in libffado "[MIR] libffado" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/416778
[18:43] <ScottK> Looking
[18:44] <dtchen> also, yes, j-a-c-k was in main many releases ago. Perhaps 5.04/Hoary?
[18:48] <ScottK> dtchen: In the last comment in the bug, it seems to me that pitti says you need a MIR for jack and freebob either needs a MIR or dropped from depends.
[18:48] <ScottK> dtchen: What's the status on those things?
[18:48] <dtchen> (using pull-lp-source now)
[18:50] <dtchen> ScottK: ok, so the process for j-a-c-k appears to be blocked on the freebob build-dep, which I'll clear up
[18:50] <dtchen> ScottK: how about for libffado?
[18:51] <ScottK> dtchen: It looks like it just needs a Main dep/build-dep (which it will get when jack is promoted)
[18:51] <dtchen> ScottK: ok, thanks
[18:52] <ScottK> dtchen: Is there another bug for the jack MIR?  It appears one is needed.
[18:53] <dtchen> ScottK: will get it ironed out via ubuntustudio-devel
[18:53] <ScottK> dtchen: OK.  Good luck.
[20:33] <jdong> kees: apparmor question... Maybe PEBKAC maybe a parser bug...
[20:33] <jdong> suppose I have profile foo{ profile /bin/bar{ ... } }
[20:33] <jdong> i.e. a nested named subprofile
[20:33] <jdong> I can add this file with apparmor_parser --add and everything is happy
[20:34] <jdong> but if I pass the same file into apparmor_parser --remove, I get a "failed: profile /bin/bar doesn't exist"
[20:34] <jdong> however, profile foo and foo//bin/bar are indeed correctly unloaded.
[20:34] <jdong> Is this a bug with the parser not knowing how to handle subprofiles?
[20:34] <jdong> in my case of letting users insert and remove subprofiles, I'm concerned if I ACTUALLY have a profile called /bin/bar system-wide, apparmor would proceed to unload that.
[20:37] <jdong> scratch the latter -- it's not stupid enough to remove a same-named global profile, though it won't print out the error otherwise
[20:37] <jdong> I think it is a "cosmetic bug" -- I'll file it later
[20:38] <jdong> http://paste.ubuntu.com/340760/
[20:38] <jdong> but just as a progress update ^^ now you can pass in snippets of an AA policy file to be loaded
[20:39] <jdong> next, we'll work on --auto(magically) generating reasonable rulesets and other useful helpers that should be useful outside this project as well :)
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[21:17] <nixternal> ogra: is it true, that karmic will not work on my sheevaplug?
[21:22] <wgrant> nixternal: Yes :(
[21:24] <nixternal> argh
[21:24] <nixternal> wget debian.iso
[21:24] <tormod> why is that?
[21:25] <nixternal> >= karmic is compiling armel packages with the armv6 flag it seems, whereas debian is still using armv5
[21:25] <wgrant> tormod: SheevaPlugs are only ARMv5, whereas Karmic needs ARMv6
[21:25] <nixternal> I think I have that correct
[21:25] <wgrant> And Lucid needs ARMv7+thumb2
[21:25] <nixternal> lovely
[21:26] <nixternal> i was going to go pick up 5 of the sheevaplugs for $60/ea
[21:26] <tormod> nixternal, where do you get them?
[21:26] <nixternal> rethinking that now, and looking at a few mini-itx dual-core atom boards
[21:27] <nixternal> tormod: online, but my dad told me about a local place that was showing them off to him...he just told me about them 30 minutes ago
[21:27] <wgrant> Hopefully there will be ARMv7 SheevaPlugs/OpenRDs at some point soon :/
[21:27] <nixternal> wgrant: same here...i couldn't find anything solid though
[21:27] <wgrant> nixternal: Me neither.
[21:28] <tormod> hmm they are more like 170$ here, one way or another
[21:28]  * wgrant disappears to work.
[21:28] <nixternal> wow, I have found them online for $79
[21:28] <nixternal> ebay is like $150
[21:28] <tormod> link? :)
[21:28] <nixternal> google had a link on the side when googling "sheevaplug"
[21:29] <nixternal> it might be though when you purchase more than 1, maybe if you purchase like 2 or more then they are $79/ea
[21:30] <tormod> I don't get any ads on google, I don't know if I am sad or glad
[21:30] <nixternal> lol
[21:32] <tormod> the thing is if these shops ship to europe they only use parcel services which here is 50+ then customs ??++
[21:34] <nixternal> yeah, I just noticed that as well
[21:34] <nixternal> Globalscale, $99 for the plug, $30 for the cheapest ground shipping
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[21:35] <nixternal> for $60 more I can fly to their location, pick it up, and fly back home :)
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[21:40] <Trewas> pricing between US and europe is sometimes ridiculous, a while ago I was planning to buy a dell monitor but then I noticed that it would have been cheaper to fly to new york (from finland) and buy it there... so I did not buy it
[21:41] <syn-ack> Trewas, Thats VAT for ya...
[21:43] <Trewas> syn-ack: that's only part of it
[21:43] <syn-ack> I'm sure. heh
[21:43] <tormod> usually they take the price in $ and uses it in €, that's the first 50%+
[21:45] <syn-ack> yikes
[21:47] <tormod> as in the example above a 100$ product imported from US can cost 200$ altogether, the shops here know this and go as high as they can
[21:47] <tormod> that's capitalism for you
[21:48] <tormod> uh, free market I mean
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