[00:00] <nigel_nb> doctormo: need a favor
[00:00] <pleia2> cprofitt: yes, and people interested in education
[00:00] <nigel_nb> doctormo: need a template folder in there for new classes.  Preferably as a new folder.  Can you?
[00:01] <nigel_nb> doctormo: just the basic folders and one file of instructions.  If you want me to make it, can do
[00:01] <cprofitt> pleia2: what do you think of having a new forum area added?
[00:02] <pleia2> cprofitt: for educators or this project?
[00:02] <cprofitt> for educators
[00:02] <pleia2> forums aren't really my forte
[00:02] <pleia2> so I'm not sure :)
[00:03] <cprofitt> k
[00:03] <cprofitt> I think it hurts that there is not one.
[00:05] <cprofitt> To me it fits with your feeling on having the Ubuntu Women's forum area
[00:05] <cprofitt> do you know the process to have a new area created pleia2 ?
[00:07] <pleia2> cprofitt: not a clue, and they were cutting back on the number of forums (they actually shut down UW until I objected)
[00:07] <cprofitt> ah... well then it may be tough to get one.
[00:08] <cprofitt> By the way doctormo and pleia2 I want to publicly acknowledge what a great conribution you have both made to UCLP
[00:08] <pleia2> might talk to bodhi though, since he's an admin and all :)
[00:08] <cprofitt> it was fantastic tohave you both go to UDS and represent
[00:08] <pleia2> thanks cprofitt!
[00:08] <cprofitt> and the work on asciidoc has been fantastic
[00:08] <cprofitt> it shames me that my efforts have not been up to that measure.
[00:09] <doctormo> nigel_nb: Aye, we should chat about what you mean, I'm not sure.
[00:09] <doctormo> Thanks cprofitt, very kind of you to say, but I've been focusing a lot of my time on education this year, perhaps next I will be forced to get a real job and won't have as much time.
[00:10] <pleia2> doctormo: oh no, not a real job!
[00:10] <pleia2> :)
[00:10] <doctormo> Although various people are pushing me to go into education propperly.
[00:11] <cprofitt> Real jobs are a good way of staying alive... that is for sure.
[00:11] <cprofitt> doctormo: as in becoming a teacher?
[00:11] <doctormo> cprofitt: Of some description, not sure what level of students, but people have mooted that I might be good at it.
[00:12] <cprofitt> In the US that involves getting a BA - student teaching - then a masters
[00:12] <cprofitt> its a tough road
[00:12] <cprofitt> easier when you are not employed or married though I suspect
[00:12] <doctormo> i am married
[00:12] <cprofitt> I would have taken too big a cut in pay to do it...
[00:13] <cprofitt> well... then it becomes a bit more difficult -- kids?
[00:13] <cprofitt> sorry that I did not know you were married doctormo
[00:13] <doctormo> Although I suspect that traditional (i.e. kids) teaching might not be possible, as I couldn't teach windows.
[00:13] <cprofitt> you have not mentioned that -- at least not that I recall.
[00:13]  * pleia2 gets dragged off again
[00:13] <pleia2> doctormo: will you be around tomorrow morning?
[00:13] <cprofitt> doctormo: there are some schools that use FLOSS
[00:13] <doctormo> cprofitt: Did I not send you a picture of my wife in corsett?
[00:14] <cprofitt> doctormo: you sent me a picture of a lady in a corsett... not sure you specified wife
[00:14] <doctormo> pleia2: morning for US EST, should be.
[00:14] <pleia2> doctormo: ok, cool
[00:14] <cprofitt> what time pleia2 ?
[00:14] <pleia2> cprofitt: I will be around all morning est
[00:14] <cprofitt> -- did you need me on?
[00:14] <pleia2> just wanted to ask some questions about our format and scripts
[00:15] <pleia2> nigel and I went over a bunch this morning, was way helpful
[00:15]  * pleia2 phone &
[00:25] <doctormo> So... pleia2, cprofitt, BiosElement(not here) and nigel_nb: you might want to throttle me, but I want to modify things slightly in the structure. Thinking over about what's been said, I think it might be worth putting each of the sections into a single file, instead of having a directory for each one.
[00:26] <nigel_nb> oh no!
[00:26] <cprofitt> doctormo: sounds like what bioselement and I discussed the other night
[00:26] <doctormo> cprofitt: It could be, but if it's what BiosElement already has written out, then it might not be.
[00:27] <nigel_nb> doctormo: My personal opinion, do what you have to do and make it final soon.
[00:27] <cprofitt> no... I do not think it was what he had written out...
[00:27] <cprofitt> I think it might be best to stick with what we have for now though
[00:27] <doctormo> It depends on what perspective is put on the single file, the idea is to simply take our 4 files in the directory and concat them, leaving you with still a number of modular sections.
[00:28] <cprofitt> we need to stop changing the structure until we have time to truly test it
[00:28] <doctormo> cprofitt: That's true, but in this case it's changing it because of us trying it out.
[00:28] <cprofitt> ah -- what are you trying to compile your current content too?
[00:29] <cprofitt> link to the source asciidoc?
[00:29] <nigel_nb> doctormo: We need a deadline when everything with the format will be done, decided, and finalized.
[00:30] <cprofitt> nigel_nb: we do not need to finalize it...
[00:30] <doctormo> nigel_nb: Well, decided and finalised are further off that we think. That takes a vote I think.
[00:30] <cprofitt> but we need to have a deadline for an Alpha that is functional
[00:30] <nigel_nb> cprofitt: my course is heavily dependent on the structure
[00:30] <cprofitt> then we can use it to make PDF courses and Moodle courses and adjust from there
[00:30] <nigel_nb> cprofitt: when the structure changes, I have to modify the course accordingly
[00:30] <doctormo> But if I said that having all the scripts in place to render docbooks, pdfs, htmls should be in place by morning time. This small change included.
[00:31] <cprofitt> nigel_nb: I agree... your course is about the 'structure' correct?
[00:31] <nigel_nb> cprofitt: its about how to contribute
[00:31]  * cprofitt nods to nigel_nb 
[00:31] <nigel_nb> cprofitt: I not only have to change the structure of my course, I have to change my course accordingly too, so it would be nice if we finalized it
[00:31] <nigel_nb> I dont mind these changes too much really
[00:32] <nigel_nb> but I want something finalized so that we can pace up course creation
[00:32] <doctormo> nigel_nb: How long are you online for this evening?
[00:32] <cprofitt> nigel_nb: until we utilize the first Alpha I am not sure we can finalize though
[00:32] <nigel_nb> doctormo: I'm off in an hour
[00:32] <nigel_nb> cprofitt: :(
[00:32] <cprofitt> we have to do at least one course end to end in all formats to see if we need adjustments
[00:33] <cprofitt> while we can all hope none are needed...
[00:33] <cprofitt> we can not truly say 'done' 'final' until we have put it to use
[00:33] <nigel_nb> cprofitt: by done I mean, ready for teaching others
[00:33] <doctormo> I agree
[00:34] <doctormo> nigel_nb: OK, lets make sure this works in the next hour before you go.
[00:34] <nigel_nb> cprofitt: doctormo's new scripts are almost on the mark, if everything works out, I can get my course ready soon
[00:34] <cprofitt> k
[00:34] <nigel_nb> cprofitt: now I just need to give a brush of the format which I'm glad I haven't started since we're tinkering with it now ;)
[00:34] <cprofitt> still need to test the transition to Moodle though
[00:35] <nigel_nb> cprofitt: that needs a dedicated set of people actually.  Because the quiz and stuff is going to be difficult
[00:37] <cprofitt> nigel_nb: well... the project needs to make sure that there is a working process
[00:37] <cprofitt> regardless of who does what parts
[00:37] <nigel_nb> cprofitt: yep :)
[00:38] <cprofitt> all I am leaving the door open too is that if changing the process slightly makes translation to / from Moodle eaier
[00:38] <cprofitt> that will need to be considered
[00:41] <cprofitt> would you agree with that doctormo pleia2 ?
[00:45] <doctormo> cprofitt: I would
[00:46] <cprofitt> cool :-)
[00:47] <doctormo> nigel_nb: Pushed a new banch, take a look at it's changes and tell me frankly what you think.
[00:47] <nigel_nb> doctormo: a new branch or updated trunk?
[00:48] <cprofitt> nigel_nb: nice picture by the way
[00:48] <nigel_nb> cprofitt: hehe, the one on your site?
[00:48] <nigel_nb> cprofitt: that was my testing of cheese ;)
[00:48] <cprofitt> yeah -- that is your; right?
[00:49] <doctormo> nigel_nb: updated trunk
[00:49] <nigel_nb> cprofitt: thats me :)
[00:49] <nigel_nb> doctormo: merging
[00:50] <cprofitt> Cool...
[00:52] <cprofitt> nigel_nb: I am happy to have 12 members to that site in under 24 hours
[00:52] <nigel_nb> cprofitt: we're a helpful crowd :)
[00:53] <nigel_nb> cprofitt: after joining bug squad I forgot how many sites (upstream bug trackers, etc) I've signed up and I get around 100 mails every 3 days...
[00:53] <cprofitt> I think you, John and I are the only people that are not educators
[00:54] <doctormo> cprofitt: I would have joined, but the registration process went and died.
[00:55] <cprofitt> lol
[00:55] <cprofitt> doctormo: are you running Windows?
[00:55]  * cprofitt runs and hides
[00:55] <nigel_nb> doctormo: not bad, need some time learning the new one though
[00:56] <doctormo> cprofitt: Besmitched.
[00:56]  * cprofitt flops on the floor like a trout out of water
[00:57] <doctormo> nigel_nb: It's simply a concatination of each of the asciidoc files with <== between each section, then the build script I'm about to commit, splits it out and puts it back into the directories we currently have.
[00:57] <doctormo> It's simply a way to move the directories to build only processes.
[00:57] <nigel_nb> doctormo: okay, once its ready, let me know so I can get my last section ready :)
[00:58] <doctormo> Sart getting it ready for the test :-)
[01:04] <nigel_nb> im off then guys
[01:04] <nigel_nb> sunday, time to get ready fer church :)
[01:06] <FFEMTcJ> 'night nigel_nb
[01:09] <doctormo> nigel_nb: Pushing rev18 with updated and tested scripts.
[01:15] <FFEMTcJ> my first blod post to planet just went up
[01:16] <doctormo> FFEMTcJ: What's a blod post? :-D
[01:16] <doctormo> Chris Johnston?
[01:17] <FFEMTcJ> yup
[01:17] <FFEMTcJ> blog.. whatever
[01:17] <FFEMTcJ> lol
[01:17] <cprofitt> nigel_nb: what is your wave account?
[01:24] <cprofitt> nigel_nb: I did not get that from you...
[01:24] <cprofitt> I dropped... sorry
[01:24] <cprofitt> want to add you to my wave
[01:25] <FFEMTcJ> cprofitt: he didnt answer
[01:25] <cprofitt> k
[01:25] <cprofitt> was not sure...
[01:28] <FFEMTcJ> id give you mine, but it wouldnt help :-P
[01:28] <cprofitt> FFEMTcJ: true...
[01:29] <cprofitt> unless you too join the Ubuntu Educators group... and want to be part of that wave
[01:30] <FFEMTcJ> I was actually gonna ask you about that.. I'm a little confused.. Its a group for teachers/instructors who use ubuntu?
[01:31] <cprofitt> it is a group for educators - teachers / edu administrators / edu support staff
[01:31] <cprofitt> who use Ubuntu and/or FLOSS
[01:31]  * FFEMTcJ doesnt fit any of that...
[01:32] <cprofitt> that was the angle that I originally approached UCLP when Vantrax and I were formulating creating UCLP
[01:32] <FFEMTcJ> ic
[01:33] <cprofitt> though more from the standpoint of creating Moodle courses that educators could use
[01:33] <cprofitt> to aide their transition to Ubuntu and FLOSS
[01:33] <cprofitt> the same courses would likely be usable by business unless they got curriculum specific
[01:34] <FFEMTcJ> gotcha
[01:40] <FFEMTcJ> pleia2: you arent around are you?
[01:40] <Pendulum> cprofitt: I'd actually be interested in that. my mum's a teacher and while where she teaches doesn't use Ubuntu (they're a MacOS school), I think they use moodle
[01:41] <cprofitt> Cool... what the link Pendulum
[01:41] <cprofitt> part of the transition process would likely be staying with OS X or Windows and using FLOSS
[01:41] <cprofitt> I meant do you want the link?
[01:41] <Pendulum> yes, please :)
[01:41] <cprofitt> http://ubuntuedu.ning.com/
[01:42] <cprofitt> let her and her fellow teacher know as well.
[01:42] <FFEMTcJ> Pendulum: we have 10 instructors, 9 hours and then the intro hour
[01:42] <cprofitt> FFEMTcJ: are we nailing down the schedule?
[01:42] <FFEMTcJ> cprofitt: id like to
[01:42] <Pendulum> yeah, I don't know that the school would ever switch (it's a prep school and students are actually required to own mac laptops), I know the current tech guy does OSS stuff and such
[01:42] <Pendulum> FFEMTcJ: nice :)
[01:43] <Pendulum> *but I know...
[01:44] <FFEMTcJ> Here is my thought:
[01:44] <FFEMTcJ> Switching * install at 1300
[01:44] <FFEMTcJ> 1400 equiv programs
[01:44] <cprofitt> Pendulum: required to own a mac?
[01:44] <cprofitt> ouch...
[01:45] <FFEMTcJ> 1500 finding help
[01:45] <FFEMTcJ> 1600 command line basics
[01:45] <FFEMTcJ> 1700 restricted drivers
[01:46] <FFEMTcJ> there is still a pgp course.. but other than that people didnt put what they wanna teach
[01:46] <cprofitt> what is the URL to our page again
[01:46] <cprofitt> for the Ubuntu day stuff...
[01:47] <FFEMTcJ> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDaysTeam
[01:47] <cprofitt> danke
[01:47] <cprofitt> I see we added some later times
[01:47] <Pendulum> cprofitt: http://edcommunity.apple.com/ali/story.php?itemID=11690 is the school
[01:48] <cprofitt> if that is possible I would be happy to move my section later if it was better.
[01:48] <cprofitt> I am GMT-5
[01:48] <cprofitt> and can do anything up until 04:00 UTC
[01:48] <FFEMTcJ> we stop at 2200 utc
[01:49] <Pendulum> One sec, I'm going to edit the wiki so all the times are UTC so I can look at it and actually parse it better ;)
[01:49] <cprofitt> k
[01:49] <cprofitt> someone added time up until 03:00 UTC
[01:49] <FFEMTcJ> cprofitt: I was thinking to do the courses if possible in an order that makes sense.. so install would be first.. and then eqiv programs, would be shortly there after
[01:49] <cprofitt> curious as to why we would end at 22:00UTC
[01:50] <FFEMTcJ> thats 10 hours
[01:50] <FFEMTcJ> 12-22
[01:50] <cprofitt> FFEMTcJ: yeah... only issue is at GMT-5 I can not really do things that early
[01:51] <cprofitt> yes, but 10 hours across a globe spanning 24 hours
[01:51] <FFEMTcJ> I understand that..
[01:51] <cprofitt> 22:00 UTC = 17:00 UTC-5 (EDT) or 13:00 UTC-8... etc
[01:51] <FFEMTcJ> right
[01:51] <cprofitt> so if you have instructors willing to go later -- why not?
[01:52] <cprofitt> 12:00 UTC would be very early for a person in California.
[01:52] <FFEMTcJ> right
[01:53] <Pendulum> btw, do we know who is doing the intro?
[01:53] <Pendulum> or is it going to be a collective thing from those of us organizing?
[01:53] <FFEMTcJ> Pendulum: I'm thinking collective
[01:53] <FFEMTcJ> pleia2: said she had some material for it.. but i was kindof thinkging collective
[01:55] <cprofitt> Pendulum: If Apple was a better 'corporate partner' with schools I may not choke on the idea of paying 2x the cost of their laptops
[01:55] <FFEMTcJ> cprofitt: going by tat thought tho (that 12utc is early for CA, then the course at 12 should be repeated at 22
[01:55] <Pendulum> FFEMTcJ: I see one problem with doing command line basics when you have it scheduled, which is that cprofitt signed up for that one and he's not available until later ;)
[01:55] <Pendulum> err.. not CL basics, equivalent programbs
[01:55] <Pendulum> *programs
[01:56] <cprofitt> FFEMTcJ: if we had enough instructors and could have multiple IRC rooms that would be a grand idea
[01:56] <FFEMTcJ> ya.. we are talking about that
[01:56] <FFEMTcJ> Pendulum: ^
[01:56] <Pendulum> I suspect some of the bits of getting extra instructors, etc. may be a "when we do this again" thing
[01:56] <cprofitt> its one of the things that plague a synchronous presentation of material on a global scale
[01:57] <cprofitt> Pendulum: +1
[01:57] <cprofitt> we have to build..
[01:57] <FFEMTcJ> cprofitt: thats what logs are for
[01:57] <cprofitt> the global time issue is what I like Moodle for... it allows Asynchronous courses
[01:57] <FFEMTcJ> UOW/UDS isnt 24 hours..
[01:57] <FFEMTcJ> right
[01:57] <Pendulum> oh, I think it'd be great if eventually it worked so we could do essentially a 24hr thing at some point
[01:57] <cprofitt> how many people attending UDS do so remotely?
[01:58] <Pendulum> cprofitt: both FFEMTcJ and I did :)
[01:58] <cprofitt> I did too...
[01:58] <FFEMTcJ> I would say a fair amount.. I dont know a number tho
[01:58] <FFEMTcJ> but all the chans seemed quite active
[01:58] <Pendulum> because I think a flaw in UOW is that it only works for certain time zones
[01:58] <cprofitt> and I would say remote attendance of live events are a bit different than all on-line events.
[01:58] <cprofitt> Pendulum: yep
[01:58] <Pendulum> and new users are less likely to go want to read logs
[01:59] <cprofitt> still having global time issues as an issue is a good thing
[01:59] <FFEMTcJ> Pendulum: the IMHO, UOW, there arent enough instructors to make it work for everywhere
[01:59] <cprofitt> UOW = ?
[01:59] <Pendulum> Ubuntu Open Week
[01:59] <cprofitt> ah...
[01:59] <cprofitt> they did extend UOW the time I did it...
[01:59] <cprofitt> but only by an hour I think
[02:00] <cprofitt> it would be great to have audio and screen casts (recorded) for some of the stuff...
[02:00] <cprofitt> new users could benefit a bit more from those than IRC logs...
[02:01] <cprofitt> due to that format keeping their interest a bit better... and providing some visuals.
[02:01] <Pendulum> yeah
[02:01] <cprofitt> but IRC logs are still useful.
[02:01] <FFEMTcJ> sounds like a beginner team project
[02:01] <Pendulum> *nods*
[02:01] <cprofitt> FFEMTcJ: very well could be.
[02:01] <cprofitt> though I am on the Security Team now... not EDU Focus group
[02:02]  * FFEMTcJ doesnt know how to do screencasts/etc
[02:02] <nigel_nb> cprofitt: my wave id is nigelbabu@googlewave.com
[02:02] <FFEMTcJ> you can join two FGs
[02:02] <cprofitt> saj0577 is the man to contact for that.
[02:02] <FFEMTcJ> ;-)
[02:02] <FFEMTcJ> I think saj is gonna get kicked from his spot
[02:02] <nigel_nb> cprofitt: sorry I replied late, I was getting ready
[02:02] <cprofitt> FFEMTcJ: kicked?
[02:02] <cprofitt> nigel_nb: no problem
[02:02] <FFEMTcJ> removed..
[02:03] <cprofitt> FFEMTcJ: I have not seen him on, so he may be removed... or may step down.
[02:03] <FFEMTcJ> Sounds from what ive heard (looks from what ive seen?) like he is mia
[02:03] <cprofitt> I am sure bodhi will make the right call.
[02:03] <FFEMTcJ> I guess kicked was harsh
[02:03] <cprofitt> I should probably talk to bodhi about it...
[02:03] <cprofitt> we need someone in that slot.
[02:03] <FFEMTcJ> I need to speak to bodhi
[02:03] <nigel_nb> guys (and gals), later, probably 2morrow
[02:03] <FFEMTcJ> night nigel_nb
[02:04] <cprofitt> I stepped down and handed it to Vantrax -- who hnaded it to saj
[02:04] <cprofitt> nigh nigel_nb
[02:04] <FFEMTcJ> cprofitt: I wish I had the time to commit to something like that, however I know I don't for the next year
[02:04] <cprofitt> FFEMTcJ: I understand...
[02:04] <cprofitt> it is not an easy thing to make time for...
[02:04] <FFEMTcJ> I wont be able to participate as much as I do now.
[02:04] <cprofitt> I gave up computer gaming to do all the FOSS stuff I do
[02:05] <FFEMTcJ> I talked to one of my co-workers who is just completing the program I start in january.. he said it was the hardest year of his life
[02:05] <cprofitt> I am the lead contact for Lugor, President of the NY State LoCo, BT Council Member, BT Security FG lead, Fedora Ambassador...
[02:05] <Pendulum> FFEMTcJ: going for EMT-P?
[02:05] <cprofitt> I actually give several presentations a year too.
[02:05] <FFEMTcJ> already p
[02:05] <FFEMTcJ> RN
[02:05] <Pendulum> ah
[02:05] <Pendulum> ooh... fun :)
[02:05] <cprofitt> RN... nice FFEMTcJ
[02:05] <FFEMTcJ> Its a 1 year RN program tho.. vs the normal 2
[02:06] <cprofitt> Good luck with that.
[02:06] <FFEMTcJ> I wish the wife would let me get a new laptop thats smaller
[02:06] <Pendulum> yeah, I've heard of those programs (not known anyone whose done one), I can see how it'd kick you hard
[02:06] <FFEMTcJ> ty cprofitt
[02:06] <Pendulum> good luck :)
[02:06] <cprofitt> FFEMTcJ: they are not too expensive...
[02:06] <cprofitt> what size lappy do you have now?
[02:07] <FFEMTcJ> Pendulum: with my schedule of working every third day, and the RN schedule of clinicals tuesdays, labs thursdays, tests every other friday.. clinicals start an hour before i get off work, labs start 30 minutes after i get off work..
[02:07] <FFEMTcJ> I have a lot of schedule issues
[02:07] <FFEMTcJ> cprofitt: 17 wide
[02:07] <FFEMTcJ> i love it, but it isnt portable
[02:08] <Pendulum> FFEMTcJ: oof.
[02:08] <FFEMTcJ> enought
[02:08] <cprofitt> no, not at all...
[02:08] <cprofitt> would she let you get a Netbook for portability and keep the 17 for regular use?
[02:08] <cprofitt> use Ubuntu One to synch files?
[02:08] <FFEMTcJ> basically... im gonna have to pay people to work for me to make school work..
[02:09] <FFEMTcJ> cprofitt: no.. I'm gonna take prolly a 10k $$ hit next year atleast, just in lost wages.. plus having to pay people to cover my shifts
[02:09] <cprofitt> ouch... that hurts
[02:09] <FFEMTcJ> plus shes having a 7k surgery in jan
[02:09] <cprofitt> that would kill me
[02:09] <FFEMTcJ> the day school starts
[02:09] <cprofitt> I do not have any space for that kind of expense in my budget
[02:09] <FFEMTcJ> I dont either
[02:10] <FFEMTcJ> the first semester of school is 1200 for tuition, 800 for books
[02:10] <FFEMTcJ> so 2k right there
[02:10] <FFEMTcJ> we just have no breathing room
[02:10] <FFEMTcJ> right now
[02:10] <cprofitt> I can understand...
[02:10] <cprofitt> I have a +/- $20 a month budget right now
[02:11] <cprofitt> we are re-financing the house to get some more breathing room
[02:11] <FFEMTcJ> 1 day of overtime for me is $610.. I wish I could talk her into letting me work one day, and spending that $ on a computer.. but shed just say we need that money somewhere elese
[02:12] <FFEMTcJ> my house is already 5.75. it aint gonna get better enough to make it worth it for me
[02:12] <cprofitt> the rates today near me were 4.88 on 30yr and 4.60 on 20yr
[02:12] <cprofitt> I am locked in at 5.0 though
[02:12] <cprofitt> I was at 6.75
[02:13] <FFEMTcJ> she just started a gig in the evenings thats $75/hr for her.. but its not steady enough to count on
[02:13] <FFEMTcJ> thats still pretty good
[02:13] <cprofitt> yeah... a 1.75 drop will help... $150/month
[02:13] <FFEMTcJ> yup
[02:15] <cprofitt> http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/07/apple-tablet/
[02:15] <FFEMTcJ> uggh,, I wish someone would put the new thunderbird on a ppa
[02:15] <cprofitt> think that is a photoshop or real?
[02:15] <FFEMTcJ> i hope photoshop
[02:17] <FFEMTcJ> bbiab.. need to call wife and tell her g'nite
[02:18] <cprofitt> k
[02:21] <Pendulum> whatever it is, it's not looking to me like something apple would put out (whether that
[02:21] <Pendulum> *that's that it's real and unfinished or a photoshop job)
[02:22] <cprofitt> yeah...
[02:22] <cprofitt> I would think they would include a keyboard...
[02:22] <cprofitt> though maybe not
[02:22] <Pendulum> possibly a keyboard, certainly not that many icons on a screen (too confusing), etc.
[02:22] <FFEMTcJ> away
[02:22] <FFEMTcJ> back
[02:22] <cprofitt> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BnLbv6QYcA
[02:22] <cprofitt> that is a very good video to show Apple fans
[02:23] <FFEMTcJ> anyone know how to get me out of an ATT cell contract?
[02:23] <Pendulum> heh
[02:23] <Pendulum> most apple fans I know have seen it :)
[02:24] <cprofitt> yeah...
[02:24] <cprofitt> you guys seen the Supervillian cartoon?
[02:24] <cprofitt> http://www.ubergeek.tv/article.php?pid=54
[02:35] <cprofitt> to be honest... I used Vista print to make some generic cards for my being a FOSS advocate
[02:37] <cprofitt> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewYorkTeam/Events/20090604?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=IMG_0347.JPG
[02:37] <cprofitt> that was a good event though...
[02:37] <cprofitt> we have been invited back and asked to do at least two additional presentations.
[02:48] <FFEMTcJ> whois
[02:48] <FFEMTcJ> uggh
[02:48] <FFEMTcJ> g'nite all
[02:50] <Pendulum> g'night FFEMTcJ
[10:19] <eskimo> hi
[15:24] <doctormo> pleia2: hello
[15:25] <doctormo> nigel_nb: Also if your about
[15:33] <FFEMTcJ> hey doc
[15:34] <doctormo> Hey FFEMTcJ
[15:35] <FFEMTcJ> how goes?
[15:38] <doctormo> well, happy I got all the builder scrpts fixed
[15:40] <FFEMTcJ> cool
[16:25] <nigel_nb> doctormo: great to know :)
[16:26] <doctormo> nigel_nb: Great, let me know that your book compiles correctly and I'll start on importing the ubuntu docs team's rendering scripts.
[16:26] <pleia2> hey
[16:26] <nigel_nb> doctormo: no time to check rite nw :(
[16:27] <nigel_nb> oh, hey pleia2
[16:33] <nigel_nb> doctormo: u'll be around at 2 am ur time?
[16:33] <doctormo> nigel_nb: Are you sure of my time? I'm at GMT currently.
[16:33] <nigel_nb> i'm sure
[16:33] <doctormo> pleia2: I needed to pass changes by you
[16:34] <pleia2> ok
[16:34] <nigel_nb> pleia2: now its individual files instead of folders
[16:34] <nigel_nb> each section is one file
[16:34] <pleia2> hooray for less cding
[16:35] <nigel_nb> yea, less messy
[16:35] <pleia2> which branch should I look at to see how this looks?
[16:37] <pleia2> ah, commandline-basics has it
[16:39] <doctormo> pleia2: Yes, so basically what I did was, I moved the mess into the scripts so the script splits it out into seperate files for building.
[16:40] <doctormo> pleia2: But writers shouldn't see them.
[16:41] <pleia2> okie
[16:42] <cprofitt> pleia2: this is what bioselement and I discussed a few days back -- it makes much more sense to me with the limited knowledge I have of asciidoc
[16:42] <pleia2> so, can we walk through a workflow for this?
[16:42]  * pleia2 nods
[16:42] <pleia2> so, I have a course I want to write, first I set up bzr and stuff
[16:42] <pleia2> I think if a course name, know the proper section
[16:42] <pleia2> then I run the template structure script thingy somewhere?
[16:44] <nigel_nb> yea, sorta
[16:44] <doctormo> pleia2: So you write each of these files out, then you run ./builder/build.sh [section-name] [class-name]
[16:44] <pleia2> each of what files?
[16:45] <nigel_nb> 01, 02,
[16:45] <pleia2> hmm
[16:46] <nigel_nb> pleia2: will be up around at 8 to 9 PM (your time)?
[16:46] <nigel_nb> I'll test it with my class then
[16:46] <pleia2> probably
[16:47] <nigel_nb> okay :)
[16:47] <nigel_nb> then you guys need to vote on this and I can finish my lesson off
[16:47] <pleia2> I am afraid I still don't understand though
[16:48]  * pleia2 reads build.sh
[16:48] <cprofitt> doctormo: if someone wants to pull 'sections' from course A, B, and C to make a new course... how will that work in your current system?
[16:48] <nigel_nb> pleia2: try
[16:48] <nigel_nb> pleia2: try running build on command line basics
[16:49] <nigel_nb> cprofitt: probably, copy it into a new folder and run the build scripts
[16:49] <pleia2> I am trying to figure out how we get the templates in place, not building yet
[16:49] <doctormo> cprofitt: It's a matter of recombining them, make some symbolic links and rebuild.
[16:49] <doctormo> pleia2: The script's templates or the human's templates?
[16:50] <pleia2> doctormo: human
[16:50] <pleia2> whatever makes the presentations directory, and the basic structure that we then edit
[16:50] <nigel_nb> doctormo: I think pleia2 is asking the same thing I asked you in the morning
[16:50] <nigel_nb> an empty template for others to build upon
[16:51] <pleia2> nothing about building yet :) I am talking about starting from the beginning, before we've written anything
[16:51] <nigel_nb> "build" as in start writing a new course
[16:51] <doctormo> pleia2: That's stage 2, getting things building and rendering was stage 1,
[16:52] <doctormo> Since nigel_nb could always make a course manually and pull out problems with the structure
[16:52] <pleia2> sorry, I thought build was generate the html file
[16:52] <doctormo> pleia2: build is generating the docbooks, the html is really only for testing.
[16:52] <pleia2> you're confusing me :(
[16:53] <doctormo> since translations will come in from docbook to html+pdf in the render stage.
[16:53] <pleia2> I have absolutely no content, I'm starting at the beginning, empty directory
[16:53] <pleia2> there is nothing to build, I haven't even written anything, I need a template
[16:54] <nigel_nb> a folder with the basic files
[16:54] <pleia2> that's what I need
[16:54] <pleia2> do we have a script to put these basic files in place? or do I have to copy them from somewhere?
[16:54] <doctormo> pleia2: Not written yet, please stand by.
[16:55] <pleia2> ok, that's all I was asking :)
[16:55] <nigel_nb> pleia2 & doctormo: you guys get things ready, I'm leavin fer work soon (i'm already late by 30 minutes), I'll catch you guys in 8 to 8.5 hours :)
[16:55] <pleia2> nigel_nb: ok, see you later :)
[22:20] <nigel_nb> pleia2: did u and doctormo get things done about empty template while I was away?
[22:25] <pleia2> that's doctormo's script, not sure
[22:27] <nigel_nb> hmm
[22:27] <nigel_nb> did u get time to review my new rev?
[22:30] <nigel_nb> um, pleia2 ?
[22:30] <nigel_nb> _marx_: hows the screencasts going?
[22:32] <popey> still cant download those files from rapidswitch nigel_nb :(
[22:32] <nigel_nb> popey: something must be wrong with that dumb host
[22:32] <nigel_nb> I'll get it to a new host today and give you the link
[22:32] <popey> "There are no more download slots available for free users right now. If you don't want to become a premium member, you might want to try again later."
[22:33] <nigel_nb> oh great :(
[22:33] <pleia2> nigel_nb: the 3 sections look good :) were you going to move it over to the new format so they are individual text files?
[22:33] <nigel_nb> popey: I'm at work right now, I'll be hom in around 2 and a half hours
[22:33] <nigel_nb> pleia2: you want me to?
[22:34] <nigel_nb> pleia2: right now, it converts well to pdf and html without issues
[22:34] <pleia2> nigel_nb: not my call, I guess we can wait until we're absolutely, totally, positively sure that's the way we're going :)
[22:34] <nigel_nb> pleia2: thats why I was hoping you and martin would make a decision today
[22:35] <pleia2> I didn't realize we were supposed to be deciding :)
[22:35] <_marx_> nigel_nb: better did 3 more takes today, blogging on our first UbuntuHour now and recovery from grandkids being in the house
[22:35] <popey> woot, finally getting them nigel_nb :)
[22:35] <nigel_nb> _marx_: oh great :)
[22:35]  * popey has been stabbing refresh :)
[22:35] <nigel_nb> popey: got them? poor F5 :P
[22:36] <nigel_nb> pleia2: I need to write about the format :(
[22:36] <nigel_nb> without a proper decision is there a point in writing?
[22:38] <pleia2> nigel_nb: sorry, I don't know what to tell you
[22:38] <nigel_nb> pleia2: I dont know what to do either, I'm totally stuck
[22:38] <pleia2> if doctormo is around now we can talk about it, I didn't realize we were supposed to get this all done in 8 hours
[22:38] <pleia2> (I don't think he realized you were expecting it either)
[22:38] <nigel_nb> I want to move ahead but unless we get a fix on this, the course would be redundant
[22:39] <doctormo> hello
[22:39] <nigel_nb> thats also probable, I moved from bazaar introduction to introduction to contributing
[22:39] <nigel_nb> oh hey, doctormo is here
[22:41] <nigel_nb> pleia2: I'm not putting you on spot (I was only hoping you guys would get it done)
[22:41] <doctormo> nigel_nb: OK, I will make the call, you can blame me if something goes wrong. But you should convert to and write about the format that we have right now, since a) we have builder scripts all working and b) render scripts are very close and c) init scripts are not far behind.
[22:42] <doctormo> nigel_nb: I take it your using a previous version of my scripts that generate from the seperate directories?
[22:42]  * nigel_nb hugs doctormo 
[22:42] <nigel_nb> doctormo: yep, the separate directories
[22:42] <nigel_nb> doctormo: will take around 10 minutes to convert to new one, no issues
[22:43] <nigel_nb> doctormo: (as soon as I get home, another 2 hours to go)
[22:43] <pleia2> thanks guys :)
[22:43] <nigel_nb> okay, so we're getting this one fixed
[22:43]  * nigel_nb is jumping with joy (finally)
[22:43] <doctormo> nigel_nb: You should be able to convert it with some bash: `echo "<[22:44] <doctormo> pleia2: confirb that bash ooks sane right
[22:45]  * doctormo clears his throat/keyboard
[22:45] <doctormo> ahem
[22:45] <pleia2> hehe
[22:45] <pleia2> is ok, I can read typo!
[22:45] <doctormo> pleia2: Confirm for me that this bash line looks sane please.
[22:45] <pleia2> and yeah, that should be fine
[22:46] <nigel_nb> I cant wait to get home, but thanks to getting here 1 hour late, I've gotta stay till 6:15 am :(
[22:48] <nigel_nb> doctormo: if u and pleia2 are around then, you can check out the results :)
[22:48] <doctormo> nigel_nb: *hug* you'll get through it and then you can save yourself 10 ehole mins of work with my bash fu
[22:49] <doctormo> nigel_nb: I'll make sure I'm here, 1am right.
[22:49] <nigel_nb> doctormo: yep 1 am-ish,
[22:49] <nigel_nb> should be able to get there by then (some daredevil driving reqd)
[22:51] <doctormo> nigel_nb: Be as safe as you can be on the road, your no good to anyone wrapped around a cow.
[22:51] <_marx_> ditto
[22:51] <nigel_nb> haha, no cows and no traffic either
[22:51] <nigel_nb> at 6 a.m. on a monday I'm among the few vehicles on the road
[22:51] <doctormo> nigel_nb: These are vampire cows ;-D
[22:52] <nigel_nb> and I wear full gear anyway, helmet, jacket, gloves, shoes
[22:53] <doctormo> nigel_nb: And garlic?
[22:54] <nigel_nb> doctormo: hahaha
[22:54]  * _marx_ knows not jokes: silver bullets too?
[22:55] <pleia2> no no, silver bullets are for werewolves
[22:55] <_marx_> ohh
[22:55] <nigel_nb> pleia2: u haven't seen blade I guess
[22:55] <pleia2> blade was silly
[22:55] <nigel_nb> pleia2: dont tell me you belong to the twlight scheme of things
[22:55] <nigel_nb> in that case, I might fall in love with the cow :P
[22:55] <pleia2> nigel_nb: no, vampires don't sparkle either :)
[22:56] <nigel_nb> and give her a ride too, hehe
[22:56] <pleia2> I'm more of a buffy/forever knight/dracula vampire lore follower ;)
[22:57] <nigel_nb> pleia2: more mature, and more traditional
[22:58] <nigel_nb> ok, break time over, need to get back to work, catch you guys in 1 hour
[22:58] <nigel_nb> sorry,
[22:58] <nigel_nb> 2 hours
[22:58] <pleia2> later nigel :)
[22:58] <_marx_> new moon here
[22:59] <doctormo> pleia2: Into your josh sweden? I liked Firefly.
[23:00] <pleia2> doctormo: yeah, firefly was great :)
[23:00] <pleia2> I didn't watch buffy until just recently actually, after liking firefly so much I was talked into it
[23:00] <pleia2> "but buffy is just about teenages killing vampires, that's silly!"
[23:00] <pleia2> nah, it's good stuff :)
[23:00] <doctormo> I was so bummed that they cancled it, I don't know if I should be more angry at fox for being despicable political bastards or because they cancled firefly.
[23:01] <pleia2> hehe
[23:01] <pleia2> cancelled dollhouse too *sad*
[23:01] <doctormo> Buffy was good, my wife sat me down and made me watch all of the seasons.
[23:01] <pleia2> similar for me, it was a boyfriend who was like "no, you must watch these"
[23:12] <doctormo> My wife has a cultural re-emersion sessions, where I have to watch all this stuff, because I grew up under a rock.
[23:13] <pleia2> hehe
[23:25] <Pendulum> doctormo: my friends do that for me