=== yoasif_ is now known as yoasif === BUGabundo1 is now known as BUGabundo [01:35] is TB3 on a non daily ppa yet? [01:40] fta: (01:39:04 AM) bjsnider: BUGabundo, i realize you need bug testers for chromium-browser, but i can't see anything wrong with it... [01:40] (01:39:08 AM) bjsnider: works fine [01:42] BUGabundo, codecs broken, webgl broken, some say svg broken but wfm, ... [01:43] some say it's slower than chrome, can't confirm [01:43] but most love it [01:45] haven't notice a thing in daily [03:16] hi gnomefreak [03:16] blueprint is attached to the bug in LP [03:26] micahg: hi ok ill look again i didnt see it there but with LP beta always changing it could have moved [03:26] gnomefreak: it's on the bottom right now [03:26] micahg: thanks [03:26] gnomefreak: I was wondering what plans you had for packaging this cycle [03:27] micahg: atm i going to be leaving to go back out of town until feb. but as of right now i have none. once m-d gets fixed i will package sunbird [03:27] gnomefreak: you'll package sunbird after feb or now? [03:28] micahg: when ever m-d gets fixed but ive been asking someone to do that since late karmic dev cycle [03:28] gnomefreak: what's wrong with m-d? [03:28] micahg: ii should have this box up there so i can do it than i hope [03:29] micahg: it doesnt grab pre release sunbird/lightning seamonkey-2.0. it grabs sunbird-0.9 and sm 2.1 [03:29] * micahg was going to look into it after tb3 and enigmail [03:29] enigmail can use a good cleaning last i saw it it was a mess [03:29] yep, and there's no bzr repo [03:30] * gnomefreak cant find any .wav :( [03:31] gnomefreak: how does sunbird pull the source now, I couldn't find it [03:31] micahg: i dont recall i havent needed it since 0.9 came out. but i have updated package in m-t branches [03:35] gnomefreak: I know fta made some changed to the firefox and tb builds to pull only certain branches, maybe I can adapt those for TB/SM [03:36] oops, I meant sunbird/SM [03:45] sorry about that firefox froze and i cant get into a TTY for some reason [03:54] ok, I'm wondering if update-orig is what I'm looking for in sunbird... [03:59] micahg: i dont think it is let me check [03:59] wait yes it is but give me a sec [03:59] micahg: it is update-orig [04:00] gnomefreak: maybe I can tweak it like fta did with the TB/FF builds [04:01] BTW, sunbird 1.0b1 was released [04:01] micahg: you can try but i remember it being more involved [04:01] ok, well, I won't get to the till after I get TB3 built for lucid [04:02] I've discovered that some websites have figured how to disable pageaction chromium extensions. Now I can adblock on certain sites. [04:02] micahg: not sure the package will grab b1 since it isnt final from m-d's POV [04:02] s/can/can't [04:02] gnomefreak: maybe we need a get-orig-source in there then [04:03] micahg: yeah i agree, i havent figured out what im going to do with sunbird/lightning once sunbird is stopped [04:03] gnomefreak: why would sunbird stop? [04:04] micahg: 1.0b1 is the last of it. noone willing to build it/support it upstream [04:04] only lightning will continue [04:05] i would have to re read all the posts (find them first) to be exact on that [04:05] micahg: do you have the KDE intergration bug handy? [04:06] bug 494067 [04:06] Launchpad bug 494067 in xulrunner "Provide better Firefox KDE integration" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/494067 [04:06] thanks [04:07] gnomefreak: I think this is what you were referring to: http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/calendar/2009/08/how_to_save_sunbird.html [04:09] micahg: that is one of many but that gives enough to get an idea. I get them in my mailing lists for mozilla. i had asked what was needed for it to continue but they need all points of dev. [04:10] gnomefreak: I guess we'd just package lightning if sunbird goes away and they refuse to build a 64 bit version [04:11] micahg: yeah we will continue but i was thinking make it into an .xpi using same method as other extensions but i havent had time to think about how i want to continue on with it. doesnt it work on 64bit? it should [04:12] gnomefreak: the version of lightning nightlies will not work on 64 bit [04:13] hmm [04:13] why would 64bit work with 0.9 but not 1.0* [04:14] gnomefreak: we compile 64 bit for 0.9 [04:14] yeah i thought of that after i hit [04:15] gnomefreak: if sunbird goes away, we can have TB source build lightning [04:16] micahg: right but from what im seeing they are thinking of using lightning as a standalone (sort of) [04:21] * gnomefreak wonders if this reply to upstream from LP works === asac_ is now known as asac [06:43] Anyone know of a PPA building an icedtea6-plugin that is compatible with Firefox 3.6? [07:07] hackel: why isn't the one in the archvie compatible? [07:08] Firefox 3.6 requires NPAPI plugins, the old one used OJI. [07:10] I know the sun plugin works fine [07:11] Perhaps, but I don't want to use any proprietary garbage. [07:11] hackel: which version of ubuntu? [07:12] Karmic. It's nothing crucial, I can still run firefox-3.5 on those 2 times a year that I actually need the java plugin :) [07:13] ok, well, we'll try to get it fixed for lucid [07:14] hackel: can you see if a bug is filed against openjdk-6? [07:15] Yeah, I looked a bit and didn't find one immediately, but I'll look again and file one if I can't find it. [07:21] hackel: ok, please subscribe micahg when you do [07:43] hackel: that code should be in karmic [07:44] micahg: hmm, I just assumed that's why it wasn't working, but could be something else? Do you get java in ff3.6? [07:44] It won't even show up for me in about:plugins, but works fine in ff3.5. [07:44] hackel: let me try in 3.7 [07:48] hmm [07:48] no go in 3.7 [07:49] I guess I live quite well without java... [07:50] I don't have it :) [07:50] Yeah, like I said I find myself wanting to use it about twice a year. [07:51] could be a build option [07:52] There's an --enable-npplugin option described in the openjdk readme. [07:54] hackel: it seems to depend on which xulrunner openjdk is built against [07:55] ok, I'm updating the bug [07:55] micahg: Yes, that's mentioned on that site, because 1.9.2 is where they dropped oji support. [07:57] I suppose I can push a version to my PPA and have it build against xul-1.9.2 [08:01] I'll definitely test it out if you do. There's also an openjdk-7 ppa I saw. [08:01] asac: Building Firefox with Qt would improve its KDE integration, at least in the look 'n' feel department. https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-lucid-firefox-kde-integration === debfx_ is now known as debfx [09:45] Mitch: is the firefox qt port still actively developed? [09:45] debfx: They make sure it still builds, yeah. [12:20] need help for thunderbird: can send mails successful, but not receive. [12:21] hello? anybody in here? [13:58] what's up with the font rendering in TB 3 [14:11] mbana: same that is up with fonts in ffox35? [14:11] ;) [14:11] asac: no. far worse. hinting isn't even on [14:11] can u show me how yours looks [14:13] http://people.canonical.com/~asac/tmp/tb3font.png [14:13] asac: ok that looks v. good. on my side, there's no hinting at all [14:14] one sec [14:14] mbana: check your .fonts.conf [14:14] the xul 1.9.1 branch doesnt honour gnome settings that good (ffox and tb) [14:15] so if you tweak in fontconfig it wins basically [14:16] asac: So...what about Qt Firefox builds for Kubuntu? [14:17] Mitch: thats far off [14:17] Ah. [14:17] Mitch: the gtk qt backend is considered OK for what we want [14:17] Eww. [14:17] gtk qt engine that is [14:18] what we do this cycle (if we find the resources and get permission from upstream) is integrating the patches used by suse [14:18] hopefully after landing them upstream [14:18] in any case: the qt backend is not really finished/usable/maintained/supported upstream [14:20] http://yfrog.com/elscreenshotkip [14:21] i'm using the PPA with just TB £ [14:21] TB 3 [14:21] you say the left one is better? [14:22] .fonts.conf: http://pastebin.com/m792cc258. it's pretty long [14:22] yes far better [14:22] it seems the menus are rendering well, yet the content isn't [14:22] looks identical to me ;) [14:22] ah [14:22] i checked content [14:23] anyway ... itrs understandable that 2.0 is different from 3.0 [14:24] as i said, we have this "gnome settings bustage" bug for fonts [14:24] in 1.9.1 xul branch (shared among f3.5 and t3.0) [14:24] i'm not sure if i updated xul as well [14:24] so the difference from mine to yours is probably fontconfig tweakage [14:25] mbana: tb3 has xul 1.9.1 ... but uses its own copy [14:25] also if you have ffox 3.5 you have 1.9.1 anyway [14:42] hey guys [14:43] hi BUGabundo [14:44] asac: working on Sunday? [14:44] eheh [14:54] asac: so you're saying i should tweak the .fonts.conf? [14:55] * BUGabundo is still crying over new pidgin *smallest* fonts [14:56] must make this bigger or I'll go blind === kbrosnan_ is now known as kbrosnan [15:29] asac: mind posting ur config [15:32] fta: stupid Ch no longer restores window size :( [15:35] BUGabundo, the beta or trunk? [15:35] trunk [15:35] started last night [15:36] if I open a new window it will be eihter half screen or "almost" full screen but not maximized [15:40] did you look for an existing bug? [15:40] asac, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1350378 [15:40] asac: around? [15:40] fta: not yet [15:41] been busing flashing my android [15:41] its easier to just complain to you :) [15:42] fighting with the codecs right now [15:44] chromium-browser 24715 1.80% 4468 12764 7478 5 [15:44] google-chrome-unstable 20246 1.48% 4794 9641 5792 19 [15:44] google-chrome-beta 3203 0.23% 855 3 2343 2 [15:44] eheh [15:44] BUGabundo, ^^ you're not good enough at spreading the news [15:44] open 12 tabs (almost) at once, and Ch dies [15:44] fta: I haven't even started [15:44] or users are dumb [15:44] you said you didnt want public spread yet [15:44] before more testing [15:45] i sure do now [15:45] enough testing, go live [15:45] where's chromium beta in there!? [15:45] i used the same name [15:46] google didn't [15:47] ?! [15:48] they regained 3000+ users on us in 3 days [15:49] so unstalbe is google beta? [15:50] no, google-chrome-unstable is ~trunk, and google-chrome-beta is the beta [15:51] well, not sure about google-chrome-unstable, i need to see the version [15:51] i never installed it [15:51] me neither [15:52] so chromium-browser is trunk+beta ppas ? [15:58] yes [15:59] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1193567 [16:00] hm.. http://blogs.adobe.com/penguin.swf/2008/08/secrets_of_the_mmscfg_file_1.html [16:01] does this work at all? [16:03] fta: the slite optimization seems to work pretty well [16:03] adblock of course not [16:03] faster fox causes problems in most servers [16:03] disabling ipv6 is a mistake [16:04] but an workaround for Ubuntu bug [16:04] most proxy will kill you if you push pipeline [16:04] flash 64 bits > flash 32 wrapper of course [16:05] force composite in X? lol [16:05] eheh ramdrives? LOL [16:05] with the amount of crashs I have , that's a bad option [16:06] LOLOLOL getting trunk from mozilla when we have daily PPAs [16:06] SWIFTFOX is lame [16:06] go tell them that [16:06] What is Profile-Guided Optimization (PGO)? [16:07] humm right how are we on PGO? [16:07] asac said he would try that [16:07] ok, so 20% of what he says is OK [16:07] the rest will just put the user over an HUGE piece of trouble [16:17] fta: so stupid Pohotoshop http://photoshopdisasters.blogspot.com/2009/12/playboy-poland-bells.html [16:19] BUGabundo, "why does she only have one breast?" lol :) [16:19] hehehee [16:20] guess playboy could spare to pay to include both!? [16:20] "Why are her legs taller than my garage door?" [16:21] missed that one [16:48] mmm anyone around [16:48] asac: ... [16:51] does anyone use gmail? have u noticed that when u reply to an email on, say, a list, it doesn't show up in gmail [16:52] mbana: [16:52] yes [16:52] gmail won't show emails sent to your self [16:53] that's a "feature" [16:53] wait hold on ... if i use gmail i sent it myself [16:53] so why does it appear then [16:53] they filter it [16:54] you can see it in the sent and All [16:54] that's it [16:55] am i the only one that's confused right now? what do they filter? [16:55] the received email [16:56] from the list you just sent [16:56] example [16:56] you reply to my email from mozillateam ML [16:56] everyone on the least will get it, but your gmail account will filter the delived email [16:57] so you will never receive it, as it usually works on other email setups [16:57] that's why I activate the deliver Mailman receipt [16:58] are u saying, it's possible for me to send using TB and have in appear in the thread in gmail? [16:59] errk [16:59] what? [16:59] now I'm confused [17:00] no why does gmail show my replies in the thread? it makes it seem as though i'm receiving my own replies [17:00] here is my workflow. [17:01] assume thread x. i reply to thread x in gmail. i see the reply within gmail [17:01] i reply to thread in TB, i don't see it. [17:01] when i say, i see it in gmail, i mean i see the reply within the thread, as well as in sent folder [17:05] ah [17:06] all sent emails are in (gmail)Sent folder [17:06] and also All [17:06] you must sync those folders in TB [17:09] but will i see the reply in the thread? [17:09] or will i have to manually navigate to the sent/all folder? [17:10] you have to put rule to place the sent email on the proper folder you want the thread [17:10] that's what I do on kmail [17:10] your own TB sent [17:11] not the gmail one [17:16] and then it'll also appear in the gmail? see i don't have access to imap/smtp at work so i gotta use gmail there [17:16] it *always* appars in gmail [17:18] just not in the right place [17:18] yes, right place [18:05] did anyone see the screen asac posted? if anyone has a similar setup can u post your .fonts.conf [18:11] what screen? [19:09] BUGabundo: do i need to restart TB 3 to see .fonts.conf changes [19:09] no idea [19:09] maybe I should try TB ? [19:09] man I'm in love with KMail [19:09] but I have tooooo much mail in there [19:09] maybe I should just forget and start fresh ! [19:19] asac: please review https://code.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/mozilla-devscripts/dh_xul-ext and tranform the xpath into python. === BUGabundo1 is now known as BUGabundo === BUGabundo is now known as BUGabundo_lunch === BUGabundo_lunch is now known as BUGabundo [22:16] fta: what was the privacy link you gave last night? [22:16] can't find it in my history [22:16] man I miss my FF awesome bar right now [22:20] BUGabundo, Omnibox is supposed to be even better [22:20] hi there!!! someone can you help to change my ip [22:21] fta: either it isint or I lost all my logs [22:21] no history before 2 days [22:21] :( [22:21] fta: but do you have the link at hand where it stated the privacy stuff of chrome ? [22:21] >> BUGabundo_work, at least, chromium doesn't have that http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Chrome#Usage_tracking [22:21] tanks [22:22] ahhh wikipedia [22:22] there are blogs about that too [22:23] jason81: what do you need? [22:23] support is provided in #ubuntu, not here [22:24] BUGabundo: thanks for your help.. I need to change my Ip for see [22:24] BUGabundo: thanks for your help.. I need to change my Ip for whatc a film in streaming [22:24] unfortunately this film are visibile only in usa [22:28] jason81: not the place to ask [22:29] try #ubuntu [22:30] ok.. I try for better understand the add-on torbutton [22:30] thanks [22:39] fta: can you please return me my hamer [22:39] I need to punch and stab GWIBBER a bit [22:39] darn thing dies every 10 min :( [22:39] and also keeps lossing replies :((((( [22:39] * BUGabundo cries [22:52] BUGabundo, it's stable for me. but complain to asac or kenvandine, not to me, i'm just the middle man for the dailies now [22:52] I know [22:52] not complaing to you [22:53] just asking for my hammer back [22:53] btw when was the "daily" last updated? [22:53] I haven't got many updates :( [22:53] and still can't change font size kenvandine [23:34] I'm amazed hoe much Mosaic still resembles to browsers in use today === BUGabundo1 is now known as BUGabundo [23:43] i've used Mosaic for a year or two before netscape 0.9 appeared, i remember people saying that it had no future, that ftp & gopher were there to stay [23:43] did asac disappear? [23:43] -it had+it will have [23:43] mbana, try tomorrow, european business hours [23:44] well, it's already monday [23:46] not here [23:46] I don't recall using Mosaic much [23:46] I did use netscape [23:46] and then IE [23:46] started in the web in 94/95 [23:47] a shared PC at school [23:47] over ISDN :) [23:47] IRC was king [23:47] altavista too [23:47] still remember like it was today [23:47] teachers commenting when we said : "hotmail" eheh [23:48] back in the days MSFT didn't own it [23:48] and inbox were 256KB