[01:35] <FFEMTcJ> is TB3 on a non daily ppa yet?
[01:40] <BUGabundo> fta: (01:39:04 AM) bjsnider: BUGabundo, i realize you need bug testers for chromium-browser, but i can't see anything wrong with it...
[01:40] <BUGabundo> (01:39:08 AM) bjsnider: works fine
[01:42] <fta> BUGabundo, codecs broken, webgl broken, some say svg broken but wfm, ...
[01:43] <fta> some say it's slower than chrome, can't confirm
[01:43] <fta> but most love it
[01:45] <BUGabundo> haven't notice a thing in daily
[03:16] <micahg> hi gnomefreak
[03:16] <micahg> blueprint is attached to the bug in LP
[03:26] <gnomefreak> micahg: hi ok ill look again i didnt see it there but with LP beta always changing it could have moved
[03:26] <micahg> gnomefreak: it's on the bottom right now
[03:26] <gnomefreak> micahg: thanks
[03:26] <micahg> gnomefreak: I was wondering what plans you had for packaging this cycle
[03:27] <gnomefreak> micahg: atm i going to be leaving to go back out of town until feb. but as of right now i have none. once m-d gets fixed i will package sunbird
[03:27] <micahg> gnomefreak: you'll package sunbird after feb or now?
[03:28] <gnomefreak> micahg: when ever m-d gets fixed but ive been asking someone to do that since late karmic dev cycle
[03:28] <micahg> gnomefreak: what's wrong with m-d?
[03:28] <gnomefreak> micahg: ii should have this box up there so i can do it than i hope
[03:29] <gnomefreak> micahg: it doesnt grab pre release sunbird/lightning seamonkey-2.0. it grabs sunbird-0.9 and sm 2.1
[03:29]  * micahg was going to look into it after tb3 and enigmail
[03:29] <gnomefreak> enigmail can use a good cleaning last i saw it it was a mess
[03:29] <micahg> yep, and there's no bzr repo
[03:30]  * gnomefreak cant find any .wav :(
[03:31] <micahg> gnomefreak: how does sunbird pull the source now, I couldn't find it
[03:31] <gnomefreak> micahg: i dont recall i havent needed it since 0.9 came out. but i have updated package in m-t branches
[03:35] <micahg> gnomefreak: I know fta made some changed to the firefox and tb builds to pull only certain branches, maybe I can adapt those for TB/SM
[03:36] <micahg> oops, I meant sunbird/SM
[03:45] <gnomefreak> sorry about that firefox froze and i cant get into a TTY for some reason
[03:54] <micahg> ok, I'm wondering if update-orig is what I'm looking for in sunbird...
[03:59] <gnomefreak> micahg: i dont think it is let me check
[03:59] <gnomefreak> wait yes it is but give me a sec
[03:59] <gnomefreak> micahg: it is update-orig
[04:00] <micahg> gnomefreak: maybe I can tweak it like fta did with the TB/FF builds
[04:01] <micahg> BTW, sunbird 1.0b1 was released
[04:01] <gnomefreak> micahg: you can try but i  remember it being more involved
[04:01] <micahg> ok, well, I won't get to the till after I get TB3 built for lucid
[04:02] <ripps> I've discovered that some websites have figured how to disable pageaction chromium extensions. Now I can adblock on certain sites.
[04:02] <gnomefreak> micahg: not sure the package will grab b1 since it isnt final from m-d's POV
[04:02] <ripps> s/can/can't
[04:02] <micahg> gnomefreak: maybe we need a get-orig-source in there then
[04:03] <gnomefreak> micahg: yeah i agree, i havent figured out what im going to do with sunbird/lightning once sunbird is stopped
[04:03] <micahg> gnomefreak: why would sunbird stop?
[04:04] <gnomefreak> micahg: 1.0b1 is the last of it. noone willing to build it/support it upstream
[04:04] <gnomefreak> only lightning will continue
[04:05] <gnomefreak> i would have to re read all the posts (find them first) to be exact on that
[04:05] <gnomefreak> micahg: do you have the KDE intergration bug handy?
[04:06] <micahg> bug 494067
[04:06] <gnomefreak> thanks
[04:07] <micahg> gnomefreak: I think this is what you were referring to: http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/calendar/2009/08/how_to_save_sunbird.html
[04:09] <gnomefreak> micahg: that is one of many but that gives enough to get an idea. I get them in my mailing lists for mozilla. i had asked what was needed for it to continue but they need all points of dev.
[04:10] <micahg> gnomefreak: I guess we'd just package lightning if sunbird goes away and they refuse to build a 64 bit version
[04:11] <gnomefreak> micahg: yeah we will continue but i was thinking make it into an .xpi using same method as other extensions but i havent had time to think about how i want to continue on with it. doesnt it work on 64bit? it should
[04:12] <micahg> gnomefreak: the version of lightning nightlies will not work on 64 bit
[04:13] <gnomefreak> hmm
[04:13] <gnomefreak> why would 64bit work with 0.9 but not 1.0*
[04:14] <micahg> gnomefreak: we compile 64 bit for 0.9
[04:14] <gnomefreak> yeah i thought of that after i hit <enter>
[04:15] <micahg> gnomefreak: if sunbird goes away, we can have TB source build lightning
[04:16] <gnomefreak> micahg: right but from what im seeing they are thinking of using lightning as a standalone (sort of)
[04:21]  * gnomefreak wonders if this reply to upstream from LP works
[06:43] <hackel> Anyone know of a PPA building an icedtea6-plugin that is compatible with Firefox 3.6?
[07:07] <micahg> hackel: why isn't the one in the archvie compatible?
[07:08] <hackel> Firefox 3.6 requires NPAPI plugins, the old one used OJI.
[07:10] <micahg> I know the sun plugin works fine
[07:11] <hackel> Perhaps, but I don't want to use any proprietary garbage.
[07:11] <micahg> hackel: which version of ubuntu?
[07:12] <hackel> Karmic.  It's nothing crucial, I can still run firefox-3.5 on those 2 times a year that I actually need the java plugin :)
[07:13] <micahg> ok, well, we'll try to get it fixed for lucid
[07:14] <micahg> hackel: can you see if a bug is filed against openjdk-6?
[07:15] <hackel> Yeah, I looked a bit and didn't find one immediately, but I'll look again and file one if I can't find it.
[07:21] <micahg> hackel: ok, please subscribe micahg when you do
[07:43] <micahg> hackel: that code should be in karmic
[07:44] <hackel> micahg:  hmm, I just assumed that's why it wasn't working, but could be something else?  Do you get java in ff3.6?
[07:44] <hackel> It won't even show up for me in about:plugins, but works fine in ff3.5.
[07:44] <micahg> hackel: let me try in 3.7
[07:48] <micahg> hmm
[07:48] <micahg> no go in 3.7
[07:49] <micahg> I guess I live quite well without java...
[07:50] <micahg> I don't have it :)
[07:50] <hackel> Yeah, like I said I find myself wanting to use it about twice a year.
[07:51] <micahg> could be a build option
[07:52] <hackel> There's an --enable-npplugin option described in the openjdk readme.
[07:54] <micahg> hackel: it seems to depend on which xulrunner openjdk is built against
[07:55] <micahg> ok, I'm updating the bug
[07:55] <hackel> micahg:  Yes, that's mentioned on that site, because 1.9.2 is where they dropped oji support.
[07:57] <micahg> I suppose I can push a version to my PPA and have it build against xul-1.9.2
[08:01] <hackel> I'll definitely test it out if you do.  There's also an openjdk-7 ppa I saw.
[08:01] <Mitch> asac: Building Firefox with Qt would improve its KDE integration, at least in the look 'n' feel department. https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-lucid-firefox-kde-integration
[09:45] <debfx> Mitch: is the firefox qt port still actively developed?
[09:45] <Mitch> debfx: They make sure it still builds, yeah.
[12:20] <losich0s> need help for thunderbird: can send mails successful, but not receive.
[12:21] <losich0s> hello? anybody in here?
[13:58] <mbana> what's up with the font rendering in TB 3
[14:11] <asac> mbana: same that is up with fonts in ffox35?
[14:11] <asac> ;)
[14:11] <mbana> asac: no.  far worse.  hinting isn't even on
[14:11] <mbana> can u show me how yours looks
[14:13] <asac> http://people.canonical.com/~asac/tmp/tb3font.png
[14:13] <mbana> asac: ok that looks v. good.  on my side, there's no hinting at all
[14:14] <mbana> one sec
[14:14] <asac> mbana: check your .fonts.conf
[14:14] <asac> the xul 1.9.1 branch doesnt honour gnome settings that good (ffox and tb)
[14:15] <asac> so if you tweak in fontconfig it wins basically
[14:16] <Mitch> asac: So...what about Qt Firefox builds for Kubuntu?
[14:17] <asac> Mitch: thats far off
[14:17] <Mitch> Ah.
[14:17] <asac> Mitch: the gtk qt backend is considered OK for what we want
[14:17] <Mitch> Eww.
[14:17] <asac> gtk qt engine that is
[14:18] <asac> what we do this cycle (if we find the resources and get permission from upstream) is integrating the patches used by suse
[14:18] <asac> hopefully after landing them upstream
[14:18] <asac> in any case: the qt backend is not really finished/usable/maintained/supported upstream
[14:20] <mbana> http://yfrog.com/elscreenshotkip
[14:21] <mbana> i'm using the PPA with just TB £
[14:21] <mbana> TB 3
[14:21] <asac> you say the left one is better?
[14:22] <mbana> .fonts.conf:  http://pastebin.com/m792cc258.  it's pretty long
[14:22] <mbana> yes far better
[14:22] <mbana> it seems the menus are rendering well, yet the content isn't
[14:22] <asac> looks identical to me ;)
[14:22] <asac> ah
[14:22] <asac> i checked content
[14:23] <asac> anyway ... itrs understandable that 2.0 is different from 3.0
[14:24] <asac> as i said, we have this "gnome settings bustage" bug for fonts
[14:24] <asac> in 1.9.1 xul branch (shared among f3.5 and t3.0)
[14:24] <mbana> i'm not sure if i updated xul as well
[14:24] <asac> so the difference from mine to yours is probably fontconfig tweakage
[14:25] <asac> mbana: tb3 has xul 1.9.1 ... but uses its own copy
[14:25] <asac> also if you have ffox 3.5 you have 1.9.1 anyway
[14:42] <BUGabundo> hey guys
[14:43] <asac> hi BUGabundo
[14:44] <BUGabundo> asac: working on Sunday?
[14:44] <BUGabundo> eheh
[14:54] <mbana> asac: so you're saying i should tweak the .fonts.conf?
[14:55]  * BUGabundo is still crying over new pidgin *smallest* fonts
[14:56] <BUGabundo> must make this bigger or I'll go blind
[15:29] <mbana> asac: mind posting ur config
[15:32] <BUGabundo> fta: stupid Ch no longer restores window size :(
[15:35] <fta> BUGabundo, the beta or trunk?
[15:35] <BUGabundo> trunk
[15:35] <BUGabundo> started last night
[15:36] <BUGabundo> if I open a new window it will be eihter half screen or "almost" full screen but not maximized
[15:40] <fta> did you look for an existing bug?
[15:40] <fta> asac, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1350378
[15:40] <bdrung> asac: around?
[15:40] <BUGabundo> fta: not yet
[15:41] <BUGabundo> been busing flashing my android
[15:41] <BUGabundo> its easier to just complain to you :)
[15:42] <fta> fighting with the codecs right now
[15:44] <fta> chromium-browser                 24715   1.80%      4468   12764    7478       5
[15:44] <fta> google-chrome-unstable           20246   1.48%      4794    9641    5792      19
[15:44] <fta> google-chrome-beta                3203   0.23%       855       3    2343       2
[15:44] <BUGabundo> eheh
[15:44] <fta> BUGabundo, ^^ you're not good enough at spreading the news
[15:44] <BUGabundo> open 12 tabs (almost) at once, and Ch dies
[15:44] <BUGabundo> fta:  I haven't even started
[15:44] <fta> or users are dumb
[15:44] <BUGabundo> you said you didnt want public spread yet
[15:44] <BUGabundo> before more testing
[15:45] <fta> i sure do now
[15:45] <fta> enough testing, go live
[15:45] <BUGabundo> where's chromium beta in there!?
[15:45] <fta> i used the same name
[15:46] <fta> google didn't
[15:47] <BUGabundo> ?!
[15:48] <fta> they regained 3000+ users on us in 3 days
[15:49] <BUGabundo> so unstalbe is google beta?
[15:50] <fta> no, google-chrome-unstable is ~trunk, and google-chrome-beta is the beta
[15:51] <fta> well, not sure about google-chrome-unstable, i need to see the version
[15:51] <fta> i never installed it
[15:51] <BUGabundo> me neither
[15:52] <BUGabundo> so chromium-browser is trunk+beta ppas ?
[15:58] <fta> yes
[15:59] <fta> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1193567
[16:00] <fta> hm.. http://blogs.adobe.com/penguin.swf/2008/08/secrets_of_the_mmscfg_file_1.html
[16:01] <fta> does this work at all?
[16:03] <BUGabundo> fta: the slite optimization seems to work pretty well
[16:03] <BUGabundo> adblock of course not
[16:03] <BUGabundo> faster fox causes problems in most servers
[16:03] <BUGabundo> disabling ipv6 is a mistake
[16:04] <BUGabundo> but an workaround for Ubuntu bug
[16:04] <BUGabundo> most proxy will kill you if you push pipeline
[16:04] <BUGabundo> flash 64 bits > flash 32 wrapper of course
[16:05] <BUGabundo> force composite in X? lol
[16:05] <BUGabundo> eheh ramdrives? LOL
[16:05] <BUGabundo> with the amount of crashs I have , that's a bad option
[16:06] <BUGabundo> LOLOLOL getting trunk from mozilla when we have daily PPAs
[16:06] <BUGabundo> SWIFTFOX is lame
[16:06] <fta> go tell them that
[16:06] <BUGabundo> What is Profile-Guided Optimization (PGO)?
[16:07] <BUGabundo> humm right how are we on PGO?
[16:07] <BUGabundo> asac said he would try that
[16:07] <BUGabundo> ok, so 20% of what he says is OK
[16:07] <BUGabundo> the rest will just put the user over an HUGE piece of trouble
[16:17] <BUGabundo> fta: so stupid Pohotoshop  http://photoshopdisasters.blogspot.com/2009/12/playboy-poland-bells.html
[16:19] <fta> BUGabundo, "why does she only have one breast?" lol :)
[16:19] <BUGabundo> hehehee
[16:20] <BUGabundo> guess playboy could spare to pay to include both!?
[16:20] <fta> "Why are her legs taller than my garage door?"
[16:21] <BUGabundo> missed that one
[16:48] <mbana> mmm anyone around
[16:48] <mbana> asac: ...
[16:51] <mbana> does anyone use gmail?  have u noticed that when u reply to an email on, say, a list, it doesn't show up in gmail
[16:52] <BUGabundo> mbana:
[16:52] <BUGabundo> yes
[16:52] <BUGabundo> gmail won't show emails sent to your self
[16:53] <BUGabundo> that's a "feature"
[16:53] <mbana> wait hold on ... if i use gmail i sent it myself
[16:53] <mbana> so why does it appear then
[16:53] <BUGabundo> they filter it
[16:54] <BUGabundo> you can see it in the sent and All
[16:54] <BUGabundo> that's it
[16:55] <mbana> am i the only one that's confused right now?  what do they filter?
[16:55] <BUGabundo> the received email
[16:56] <BUGabundo> from the list you just sent
[16:56] <BUGabundo> example
[16:56] <BUGabundo> you reply to my email from mozillateam ML
[16:56] <BUGabundo> everyone on the least will get it, but your gmail account will filter the delived email
[16:57] <BUGabundo> so you will never receive it, as it usually works on other email setups
[16:57] <BUGabundo> that's why I activate the deliver Mailman receipt
[16:58] <mbana> are u saying, it's possible for me to send using TB and have in appear in the thread in gmail?
[16:59] <BUGabundo> errk
[16:59] <BUGabundo> what?
[16:59] <BUGabundo> now I'm confused
[17:00] <mbana> no why does gmail show my replies in the thread?  it makes it seem as though i'm receiving my own replies
[17:00] <mbana> here is my workflow.
[17:01] <mbana> assume thread x.  i reply to thread x in gmail.  i see the reply within gmail
[17:01] <mbana> i reply to thread in TB, i don't see it.
[17:01] <mbana> when i say, i see it in gmail, i mean i see the reply within the thread, as well as in sent folder
[17:05] <BUGabundo> ah
[17:06] <BUGabundo> all sent emails are in (gmail)Sent folder
[17:06] <BUGabundo> and also All
[17:06] <BUGabundo> you must sync those folders in TB
[17:09] <mbana> but will i see the reply in the thread?
[17:09] <mbana> or will i have to manually navigate to the sent/all folder?
[17:10] <BUGabundo> you have to put rule to place the sent email on the proper folder you want the thread
[17:10] <BUGabundo> that's what I do on kmail
[17:10] <BUGabundo> your own TB sent
[17:11] <BUGabundo> not the gmail one
[17:16] <mbana> and then it'll also appear in the gmail?  see i don't have access to imap/smtp at work so i gotta use gmail there
[17:16] <BUGabundo> it *always* appars in gmail
[17:18] <mbana> just not in the right place
[17:18] <BUGabundo> yes, right place
[18:05] <mbana> did anyone see the screen asac posted?  if anyone has a similar setup can u post your .fonts.conf
[18:11] <fta> what screen?
[19:09] <mbana> BUGabundo: do i need to restart TB 3 to see .fonts.conf changes
[19:09] <BUGabundo> no idea
[19:09] <BUGabundo> maybe I should try TB ?
[19:09] <BUGabundo> man I'm in love with KMail
[19:09] <BUGabundo> but I have tooooo much mail in there
[19:09] <BUGabundo> maybe I should just forget and start fresh !
[19:19] <bdrung> asac: please review https://code.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/mozilla-devscripts/dh_xul-ext and tranform the xpath into python.
[22:16] <BUGabundo> fta: what was the privacy link you gave last night?
[22:16] <BUGabundo> can't find it in my history
[22:16] <BUGabundo> man I miss my FF awesome bar right now
[22:20] <fta> BUGabundo, Omnibox is supposed to be even better
[22:20] <jason81> hi there!!! someone can  you help to change my ip
[22:21] <BUGabundo> fta: either it isint or I lost all my logs
[22:21] <BUGabundo> no history before 2 days
[22:21] <BUGabundo> :(
[22:21] <BUGabundo> fta: but do you have the link at hand where it stated the privacy stuff of chrome ?
[22:21] <fta> >> BUGabundo_work, at least, chromium doesn't have that http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Chrome#Usage_tracking
[22:21] <BUGabundo> tanks
[22:22] <BUGabundo> ahhh wikipedia
[22:22] <fta> there are blogs about that too
[22:23] <BUGabundo> jason81: what do you need?
[22:23] <fta> support is provided in #ubuntu, not here
[22:24] <jason81> BUGabundo: thanks for your help.. I need to change my Ip for see
[22:24] <jason81> BUGabundo: thanks for your help.. I need to change my Ip for whatc a film in streaming
[22:24] <jason81> unfortunately this film are visibile only in usa
[22:28] <jason81> <BUGabundo:I have tried to install torbutton but i don't resolve.. any suggestion?
[22:29] <BUGabundo> jason81: not the place to ask
[22:29] <BUGabundo> try #ubuntu
[22:30] <jason81> ok.. I try for better understand the add-on torbutton
[22:30] <jason81> thanks
[22:39] <BUGabundo> fta: can you please return me my hamer
[22:39] <BUGabundo> I need to punch and stab GWIBBER a bit
[22:39] <BUGabundo> darn thing dies every 10 min :(
[22:39] <BUGabundo> and also keeps lossing replies :(((((
[22:39]  * BUGabundo cries
[22:52] <fta> BUGabundo, it's stable for me. but complain to asac or kenvandine, not to me, i'm just the middle man for the dailies now
[22:52] <BUGabundo> I know
[22:52] <BUGabundo> not complaing to you
[22:53] <BUGabundo> just asking for my hammer back
[22:53] <BUGabundo> btw when was the "daily" last updated?
[22:53] <BUGabundo> I haven't got many updates :(
[22:53] <BUGabundo> and still can't change font size kenvandine
[23:34] <BUGabundo> I'm amazed hoe much Mosaic still resembles to browsers in use today
[23:43] <fta> i've used Mosaic for a year or two before netscape 0.9 appeared, i remember people saying that it had no future, that ftp & gopher were there to stay
[23:43] <mbana> did asac disappear?
[23:43] <fta> -it had+it will have
[23:43] <fta> mbana, try tomorrow, european business hours
[23:44] <fta> well, it's already monday
[23:46] <BUGabundo> not here
[23:46] <BUGabundo> I don't recall using Mosaic much
[23:46] <BUGabundo> I did use netscape
[23:46] <BUGabundo> and then IE
[23:46] <BUGabundo> started in the web in 94/95
[23:47] <BUGabundo> a shared PC at school
[23:47] <BUGabundo> over ISDN :)
[23:47] <BUGabundo> IRC was king
[23:47] <BUGabundo> altavista too
[23:47] <BUGabundo> still remember like it was today
[23:47] <BUGabundo> teachers commenting when we said : "hotmail" eheh
[23:48] <BUGabundo> back in the days MSFT didn't own it
[23:48] <BUGabundo> and inbox were 256KB