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FlannelUbottu apparently doesn't see floodbots removing their mutes00:00
ubottuError: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)00:00
Flannelubottu: Sorry00:00
ubottuIt's ok, I am only a bot so I cannot stay mad at you. For apologising to humans though, take a read of http://mdzlog.alcor.net/2009/07/20/on-apologies/00:00
FlannelMeh, and ubottu still has old bans that have been removed00:03
bazhangwhat's the cutoff date for old forwards to #ubuntu-read-topic ? there are 10 or 11 from around 3 weeks ago00:20
FlannelThose are 3.5 weeks, there's four that are 4.2 weeks old, and a fix..connection one from around 4 weeks old too.00:22
FlannelA lot of those 3.5 week ones look like garbage nicks anyway00:23
FlannelThere are some from a week ago that have nicks that are gibberish, I'm going to go ahead and remove those too.00:31
wgrant\o/00:32
FlannelThere's 2400:32
bazhangnice!00:34
FlannelOh, could've probably grabbed that Guest* read-topic one too from a week ago.  oh well, next time.00:34
wgrantDoes arghh2d2 have any history? He's said a few odd things in the past couple of days.01:39
bazhanghe's a archlinux channel regular ; bit cheeky/odd at times01:40
wgrantAh.01:40
FlannelAnyone have experience with bncs and nick changing (and how to set it so it doesn't?)02:15
FlannelAh, nevermind.  Seems he knows how02:16
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ubottuFloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit)06:19
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ubottugoose called the ops in #ubuntu (tex is DCC spamming)06:19
Madpilot!staff06:22
ubottuHey nalioth, jenda, rob, SportChick, seanw, Dave2, Christel, tomaw, Gary, Vorian, PriceChild, niko or stew, I could use a bit of your time :)06:22
MadpilotDCC spammer still @ it in #ubuntu06:22
Madpilotgiant mpg supposedly, filename looks like kiddieporn...06:22
rwwHello. Paddy_NI in #ubuntu-offtopic repeatedly makes trolling and baiting comments about religion, despite having been asked to stop. I think it might be time to have a talk with him (again) about it.06:39
rwwAh, never mind, Flannel appeared while I was writing that :)06:40
FlannelYou never know when we're watching you!06:40
rwwFlannel: well, good luck. Hopefully you can effect change!06:42
FlannelHopefully I can affect change!06:42
rwwFlannel: convert it from negative change to positive change!06:43
rwwAnyway, I'll go back to my rock o' strangeness ;P06:44
FlannelHe can sit out for a few days06:48
Paddy_NIhas anyone actually been paying attention to "tex"?06:49
Paddy_NIor just power gaming me?06:49
MadpilotPaddy_NI, is he still PM spamming?06:49
Madpilottex, that is06:49
Paddy_NIyes06:49
Madpilotxchat blocked him here long ago :)06:50
Paddy_NIits child pornography06:50
Paddy_NIwell its here now06:50
Paddy_NIwant the log06:50
Paddy_NI?06:50
Madpilotfreenode staff have been pinged, are aware he needs a kline06:50
Paddy_NImore than a kline06:50
Paddy_NImore like police06:50
FlannelHe was banned from #ubuntu, he's also not connected anymore either.06:50
bazhanghe's off freenode now06:50
Paddy_NII have am still getting pms06:51
Madpilotrly?06:51
Paddy_NIwant to see someone angry.. you have em06:52
Paddy_NIDo I need to do something with my router?06:52
bazhangPaddy_NI, tex has been dealt with, was there something else?06:52
Paddy_NIumm.. well how long does the ban last for?06:53
Paddy_NImy ban06:53
bazhangno idea06:53
Paddy_NI:/06:53
Paddy_NIAre you an operator?06:54
macoPaddy_NI: you discuss that with the op who set your ban06:54
macoi assume you mean Flannel's kick from -ot?06:54
Paddy_NIlast question.. is this down for everyone http://library.gnome.org/devel/06:54
Paddy_NImaco, Yes from offtopic06:55
macoPaddy_NI: http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/http://library.gnome.org/devel/ just you06:56
FlannelPaddy_NI: When do you think you'll be able to participate in #ubuntu-offtopic without causing trouble?06:56
Paddy_NIFlannel, I wish I could be sincere.. but I do not like appearing like a "bot" :/06:57
Paddy_NII mean06:57
FlannelIt's not like this is the first time we've spoken to you about it.  You've got a handful of incidents in the past few months.06:57
Paddy_NIno I have not been on in the past few months06:57
Paddy_NIcheck your logs06:58
Paddy_NIalthough I do not wish to be exiled... this was not my intention06:58
FlannelPaddy_NI: December, November 3, September 26, September 11, July 29, July 17, July 706:59
Paddy_NIothers could also have been kicked yet I ... yet again.. have been made an example of?06:59
FlannelThat's a handful in the past few months.06:59
Paddy_NIFlannel, no06:59
Paddy_NII was not kicked or even on then06:59
FlannelPaddy_NI: I'm looking at the logs right now.06:59
FlannelNot bans, just removes.06:59
Paddy_NIas in I had no access06:59
FlannelPaddy_NI: Stop lying.06:59
Paddy_NII am not06:59
Paddy_NIhow dare you07:00
Paddy_NII ask for proof that it was genuinely me?07:00
Paddy_NII have been living in Jefferson Court this last few months with limited access07:00
Paddy_NII cannot even use mibbit on "wireless walls"07:02
Paddy_NII have also had imposters07:03
Paddy_NIFlannel, Excuse me.. but how long am I going to be banned for?07:07
FlannelPaddy_NI: There's no reason to think it wasn't you.  Your nick is identified, if you have had issues with people pretending to be you, you should guard your nick.  See /msg nickserv help enforce07:07
Paddy_NIsorry but I am not that savvy with security07:08
Paddy_NIHow long am I going to be banned for?07:08
FlannelPaddy_NI: Again, even without your nick being enforced, these people were connecting from what appears to be your house, with your computer.  So it's unlikely they weren't you.07:09
Paddy_NIFlannel, I doubt that07:09
Paddy_NIconsidering wireless walls (3mbb) is the free wireless connection in the town centre07:10
FlannelPaddy_NI: Come back when you're ready to be honest.  Then we'll talk about you being unbanned.07:10
Paddy_NInow who is lying07:10
Paddy_NIthis is ridiculous07:10
Paddy_NIego is a major problem in this community.. I am very disappointed07:11
elkyPaddy_NI, Your nick has been identified on the prior occasions Flannel mentioned. I see no issue in his hesitation given this. I doubt 3mbb gives your nickserv password out.07:12
Paddy_NIelky terribly sorry but I am speaking to Flannel07:13
Paddy_NIelky I also doubt you can verify that07:13
elkytalking to me like that isn't going to suddenly achieve for you what you are hoping. it is however likely to deter me from bothering to help you in the future.07:15
Paddy_NIFlannel are you still here?07:15
FlannelPaddy_NI: I am.07:15
Paddy_NIFlannel, What can we/I do about this ban?07:16
FlannelPaddy_NI: Come back when you're ready to discuss it honestly.07:16
Paddy_NIHow about now?07:16
Paddy_NIOr shall we give it 24 hours?07:17
FlannelPaddy_NI: No, come back in a week.07:17
Paddy_NIIs that part of the ubuntu COC?07:18
Paddy_NII find this completely unfair and discriminatory07:18
FlannelPaddy_NI: "come back in a week"?  No.07:18
elkysure. it's right there at the top "must ban irishmen called Paddy for entire weeks"07:18
Paddy_NIelky knock it off.. you are just antagonising me07:19
elkyPaddy_NI, you're not following Flannel's instructions. Please do so.07:19
Paddy_NIFlannel, why 1 week?07:21
FlannelPaddy_NI: Because it will hopefully be enough time for you to get your memory back07:22
Paddy_NIFlannel, explain?07:23
FlannelPaddy_NI: It is my hope that in a week you'll be able to remember that you weren't offline for the past few months, so that we can include cursory mentions of those incidents while we discuss your ban.07:25
Paddy_NIFlannel, no I was occasionally online but not banned within that time frame.. or kicked07:26
FlannelPaddy_NI: Again, we'll discuss it in a week.07:26
FlannelPaddy_NI: I hope you enjoy yourself this week, and look forward to talking to you after that.07:27
Paddy_NIone other question.. when are the current ops being re assessed by the community?07:27
FlannelPaddy_NI: If you have a complaint about an operator, you're welcome to file it with the IRC council.  It's outlined here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcTeam/AppealProcess  (step 4)07:28
Paddy_NIthat was not my question07:28
Paddy_NII believe they should all be purged and a lottery of sorts should happen to avoid this kind of incident happening07:29
Paddy_NIall in all good night07:29
Paddy_NIlove you07:29
Madpilotwow07:33
bazhangI actually asked him to stop much earlier on, and he said he would.07:34
mneptokgiven human history, statements like "they should all be purged" never have very good consequences.07:45
FlannelI'm curious how the lottery would work07:46
macopurged? but i like my config files!07:49
Madpilothttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lottery07:51
cody-somervilleMadpilot, I don't think thats the sort of lottery he was talking about :P07:51
MadpilotI read that short story about five times in high school & university English lit, it's stuck. :)07:51
MadpilotI hope not ;)07:51
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Madpilot!staff08:29
ubottuHey nalioth, jenda, rob, SportChick, seanw, Dave2, Christel, tomaw, Gary, Vorian, PriceChild, niko or stew, I could use a bit of your time :)08:29
Madpilotmore D C C spamming in #u08:29
Madpilot"Saundra"08:29
MadpilotSaundra@69.73.209.808:30
ubottuFloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit)08:44
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MadpilotOK, that was about a dozen bots in #u...08:45
Yoswth08:46
YosI just received like 100 or more DCC attempts08:46
MadpilotYos, you and everyone else in #ubuntu and several other channels.08:46
FlannelYos: Yep, a few more people decided to be a nuisance08:46
MadpilotIt wasn't subtle :)08:47
YosNo , that it wasn't08:47
YosWhat an attack08:47
FlannelYos: Is there anything else we can help you with today?09:21
YosNo09:28
YosSorry, I'll leave :D09:29
gordnote to self, actually remember to turn off dcc file requests in your irc client. i always forget until someone does that10:45
* MenZa giggles.10:58
PriceyWhat's the ban list situation in #ubuntu? Have we cleared it?12:34
MenZaWould anyone mind if I added "Channel stats: <link>" to the -ot topic?12:45
tsimpsonMenZa: I think as long as it's mostly "anonymous" statistics, it should be fine12:54
tsimpsonI feel as the channel is not publicly logged it shouldn't contain identifiable content12:54
MenZatsimpson: http://lassehavelund.com/ubuntu-offtopic13:00
MenZaIt contains random strings.13:00
tsimpsonI'm not too sure about that (there have been other like that before)13:01
tsimpsonget some more opinions, I'm kinda half-and-half ;)13:02
tsimpsonit's just that the channel is not logged, but some messages may become publicly available, so it kind of is logged...13:04
tsimpsonbut then again, I'm sure there are a few in -ot that keep logs/stats on their websites anyway...13:04
* tsimpson attempts to stop running in circles13:05
topylii don't think logging is excpicitly forbidden anywhere either13:05
tsimpsonit's good practice to inform users of a channel if their messages are logged13:07
topyliaccording to the guidelines, ubuntu channels are logged. it does not say that -ot is not13:10
topyligetting associated with the devil here of course :)13:10
tsimpsontrue...13:13
tsimpsonbut putting it in the topic is more "official" than users keeping logs for them self13:13
MenZaindeed13:27
MenZaI'd be very willing to have my pisg stats remove anyone who doesn't like their name appearing there, though.13:27
bazhangPricey, not resolved; though we have made space for the next short period of time.13:29
bazhangmotown, hi13:29
motownhi bazhang, i get insults through pm by dian. can you banned this user? :(13:30
bazhangmotown, they are randomly PM'ing you?13:32
bazhangmotown, care to share what he/she is PM'ing you ? you can PM me13:37
MenZa;o13:51
tsimpsonMenZa: or you can do it opt-in ;)13:53
MenZatsimpson: I'm not sure how pisg does that, but yes, yes I could.13:53
tsimpsonMenZa: I just tested it, you can add all the users you want to include, then add a <user nick="NotLogged" alias="*" ignore="y"> at the bottom13:54
MenZaaha13:54
topylido they still count in the stats? as 'anonymous coward' or something? of not, your stats are no stats at all :\13:58
topyli1. MenZa, 2. anonymous, 3. anonymous, 4. topyli13:59
tsimpsonignore means act as if they aren't there at all14:00
tsimpsonMenZa: you could add a footer/header describing how people can add their nicks to the stats too14:07
MenZawhat I'm really looking for is a policy on logging14:07
MenZawhy is -ot a sanctuary from Ubuntu logging?14:07
tsimpsonwe don't have an explicit policy as such14:08
tsimpsonbut if ubuntulog isn't in a channel, it's not officially logged14:08
tsimpsonexcluding loco chans14:08
tsimpsonalso, if a channel is logged, it should be in the topic or in the entry message14:08
MenZaoh I agree14:09
MenZaBut I still feel we need a policy on it14:09
topylifor -ot logging?14:10
tsimpsonadd it to the next meeting agenda :)14:10
tsimpsontopyli: I think generally, for all our (core) channels14:10
MenZaspeaking of meeting agendas14:13
MenZa"IRC Council meeting (details) Sun Aug 2nd 07:00utc14:13
MenZawat14:13
tsimpsonI think it just hasn't been updated14:13
MenZanor is there a date for the next meeting14:14
* MenZa prods jussi01 14:14
tsimpsonnot since 2009-07-1614:14
topyliokay. two things then. whether or not people should be warned that their actions are public. and whether or not -t should be officially logged, and if not, is logging allowed14:14
tsimpsonMenZa: we can't have a meeting until after the election14:14
topyliand how to stop people from doing so anyway14:14
topyli-ot even, not -t14:15
tsimpsonwell, we can't stop people from keeping logs of the channels they are in14:15
topylioh and we certainly shouldn't. i mean public ones14:16
tsimpsonthe only issues I have with the stats is that it's not publicly logged by _us_14:16
tsimpsonand so should it be in the topic or not14:16
tsimpsonputting it in the topic makes it more official and public than joe-random keeping logs/stats and sticking it somewhere on the web14:17
bazhangyep14:17
MenZaoh certainly14:18
MenZaI just don't understand why we don't already *have* a logging policy14:18
tsimpsonwe don't have a fully formed logging policy, the only thing like it is what's in the guidelines14:19
tsimpsonwhich is not really specific enough14:19
tsimpsononce sentence does not a policy make14:20
MenZaWhen do we expect to have the IRCC formed?14:20
bazhangheh14:20
tsimpsonnominations are now closed, so it's up to the CC to get back to us14:24
MenZanothing on their next agenda.14:27
jussi01MenZa: currently the cc is waiting for comments from the ircc before making its shortlist, which will then be made public for $period of time as to solicit comments from the general public (irc community). then a decision will be made and we will ahve a full ircc again. At least thats how I understand it15:06
jussi01meetings will resuume then.15:06
jussi01and tsimpson, I thought we had a meeting in november and october also?15:07
MenZajussi01: wonderful15:14
tsimpsonjussi01: that was just when the text was updated last15:16
ubottuCShadowRun called the ops in #ubuntu (zjblabs)17:13
ikonia!staff | bot-zjblabs and zjblabs are trying to attack multiple ubuntu channels with bots be aware please17:18
ubottubot-zjblabs and zjblabs are trying to attack multiple ubuntu channels with bots be aware please: Hey nalioth, jenda, rob, SportChick, seanw, Dave2, Christel, tomaw, Gary, Vorian, PriceChild, niko or stew, I could use a bit of your time :)17:18
ikonianeed someone with access to edubuntu quick17:19
ubottuikonia called the ops in #edubuntu (zjblabs using bots to attack ubuntu channels)17:19
ikoniaPici: I assume you're active now17:20
PiciI don't have access there17:20
Pici:(17:20
ikoniais freenode in the list ?17:20
Piciyes17:20
PiciWhat are the bots doing?17:20
ikoniaflooding the channels when he issues !attack command17:21
ikoniaas you can see17:21
ikonia!staff | help in edubuntu needed17:21
ubottuhelp in edubuntu needed: Hey nalioth, jenda, rob, SportChick, seanw, Dave2, Christel, tomaw, Gary, Vorian, PriceChild, niko or stew, I could use a bit of your time :)17:22
ikoniathanks pici17:24
Flanneltsimpson, topyli, MenZa: I don't believe anyone publishes logs of -ot, we've actively asked people to remove them in the past.17:42
Flannel(so, if they do publish logs, it's because we're not aware of them)17:43
topyliFlannel, i know. there's an unofficial "no photographing at the pub" agreement, but there's no real policy17:46
topyliof course since i mentioned the pub, unofficial agreements can, and often are, enforced rather effectively17:47
MajostI have been having issues with some bots trying to send me a file titled " MOTHER_SPANKS_CHILD_RATHER_HARD.MPEG" every weekend17:57
MajostI get about 50 or so DCC send queues, 4 at a time, per a randomly generated nick17:57
Majostnot really sure what to do about it, so I came here17:58
ikoniaMajost: how do you know this is from the #ubuntu channel ?17:58
Majostgood point... I dunno if I do.17:58
ikoniaok - so that would be the first point to check,17:58
Majostwill do.17:59
MenZaFlannel: I'm still looking for an official policy on the subject18:37
PiciSee the freenode motd18:40
MenZagood point, Pici18:46
MenZaremoving the random quotes now18:46
MenZathat doesn't change my stance on the subject that *we* need a policy on it, as well18:46
MenZaPici: http://lassehavelund.com/ubuntu-offtopic/18:47
* MenZa runs away.18:47
ubottuFloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (repeated abuse from proby)19:20
ubottuLjL called the ops in #ubuntu (proby)19:20
ardchoilleI'm seeing a few instances of users with different nicks and IP's inputting three or more lines at a time in #ubuntu19:28
ardchoilleIs there a known issue with a server or something?19:28
ardchoilleThese seem to be legitimate issues because the users go with help from others19:29
PriceyHave you got an example?19:29
Priceylike pratik?19:30
ardchoillemost recently in #ubuntu with him and proby and gbear (who was kicked by a floodbot19:30
ardchoilleJust wanted to let you know of a potential issue19:30
ardchoilleI wonder if they're all connected to the same server19:31
ardchoilleOk, I've reported it and will let you good folks handle it from here. No need for me to remain in this channel. Thanks :)19:38
Mamarokjust a little away log: I will not be available next week19:47
topyligbear is now on -ot for support :)19:47
jussi01Mamarok: thanks for telling us.19:47
Mamarokjussi01: you are welcome :)19:48
gbearhello topli19:49
topyliwhat was it that we do when webchat users don't get into #ubuntu?19:49
topylithanks for joining gbear19:49
topyligbear, i can't remember how we're used to dealing with this issue :)19:50
gbearno prob... just hope I can get this /boot unreconized filesystem thing solved19:50
topyliyeah19:50
naliothtopyli: webchat users should be forwarde to #ubuntu-read-topic and from there, they can follow the instructions19:50
topylinalioth, ah that was it. thank you19:51
topylinalioth, looks like gbear was simply kicked by floodbot though19:52
gbeark in #ubuntu-read-topic19:52
topyliright19:52
gbeartopyli: can you join me in #ubuntu-read-topic please?19:53
topylisure one sec19:53
topyligbear, interesting19:56
gbearsorry... didn't mean to be the tough case today... :-/19:56
topyliheh19:57
gbearany advice?19:57
topylidunno, apparently your superpower is that you're untestable19:57
gbearthat mean I get a cape?19:58
topylisure19:58
naliothone made of lead19:58
* nalioth runs19:58
topylibut as you find, this power is in fact a curse, as you can't join #ubuntu :(19:58
topylii don't know how to manually test people19:59
Pici14:39:37 <FloodBot1> gbear tried to join from a gateway, but *!*@cpe-67-249-216-237.twcny.res.rr.com is banned19:59
gbearI'm banned?20:00
topyliyour host sure is20:01
gbearunban me please?20:01
gbearor rather... my host?20:01
Picigbear: You're unbanned, but please remember not to repeat so often.20:02
Pici!patience20:02
ubottuDon't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com or http://ubuntuforums.org while you wait.20:02
gbearthanks Pici20:03
gbearhmm... still no luck20:03
Picigbear: you need to try to rejoin #ubuntu, #ubuntu-read-topic can't help you.20:04
Picinalioth: proxy users are forwarded to #ubuntu-proxy-users, not -read-topic.20:04
gbearpici... I tried /join #ubuntu... but no response20:04
Picigbear: then follow the directions in #ubuntu-proxy-users20:05
* topyli makes another note20:05
Piciyou'll probably need to part there and then join #ubuntu again20:05
PiciIf you can, you really should be using a real IRC client and not the webchat as well.20:05
gbearpici... I would but I'm running on a live cd20:06
macoempathy can do irc20:07
macoit's on the live cd20:07
gbearI'm in... thank you topyli Pici nalioth and maco20:09
ikoniaircseek bot just joined #kubuntu - what's the current status of it please ?21:55
ikoniasame for #ubuntu21:55
* ikonia pings Pici jussi01 for council steer22:03
Flannelikonia: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-irc/2007-December/000383.html22:14
Flannel(Yes, they're allowed in #u and #k)22:14
ikoniathanks22:14
Flanneland more, but to answer your question22:14
ikoniagood enough for me22:14

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