[00:00] <Flannel> Ubottu apparently doesn't see floodbots removing their mutes
[00:00] <Flannel> ubottu: Sorry
[00:03] <Flannel> Meh, and ubottu still has old bans that have been removed
[00:20] <bazhang> what's the cutoff date for old forwards to #ubuntu-read-topic ? there are 10 or 11 from around 3 weeks ago
[00:22] <Flannel> Those are 3.5 weeks, there's four that are 4.2 weeks old, and a fix..connection one from around 4 weeks old too.
[00:23] <Flannel> A lot of those 3.5 week ones look like garbage nicks anyway
[00:31] <Flannel> There are some from a week ago that have nicks that are gibberish, I'm going to go ahead and remove those too.
[00:32] <wgrant> \o/
[00:32] <Flannel> There's 24
[00:34] <bazhang> nice!
[00:34] <Flannel> Oh, could've probably grabbed that Guest* read-topic one too from a week ago.  oh well, next time.
[01:39] <wgrant> Does arghh2d2 have any history? He's said a few odd things in the past couple of days.
[01:40] <bazhang> he's a archlinux channel regular ; bit cheeky/odd at times
[01:40] <wgrant> Ah.
[02:15] <Flannel> Anyone have experience with bncs and nick changing (and how to set it so it doesn't?)
[02:16] <Flannel> Ah, nevermind.  Seems he knows how
[06:22] <Madpilot> !staff
[06:22] <Madpilot> DCC spammer still @ it in #ubuntu
[06:22] <Madpilot> giant mpg supposedly, filename looks like kiddieporn...
[06:39] <rww> Hello. Paddy_NI in #ubuntu-offtopic repeatedly makes trolling and baiting comments about religion, despite having been asked to stop. I think it might be time to have a talk with him (again) about it.
[06:40] <rww> Ah, never mind, Flannel appeared while I was writing that :)
[06:40] <Flannel> You never know when we're watching you!
[06:42] <rww> Flannel: well, good luck. Hopefully you can effect change!
[06:42] <Flannel> Hopefully I can affect change!
[06:43] <rww> Flannel: convert it from negative change to positive change!
[06:44] <rww> Anyway, I'll go back to my rock o' strangeness ;P
[06:48] <Flannel> He can sit out for a few days
[06:49] <Paddy_NI> has anyone actually been paying attention to "tex"?
[06:49] <Paddy_NI> or just power gaming me?
[06:49] <Madpilot> Paddy_NI, is he still PM spamming?
[06:49] <Madpilot> tex, that is
[06:49] <Paddy_NI> yes
[06:50] <Madpilot> xchat blocked him here long ago :)
[06:50] <Paddy_NI> its child pornography
[06:50] <Paddy_NI> well its here now
[06:50] <Paddy_NI> want the log
[06:50] <Paddy_NI> ?
[06:50] <Madpilot> freenode staff have been pinged, are aware he needs a kline
[06:50] <Paddy_NI> more than a kline
[06:50] <Paddy_NI> more like police
[06:50] <Flannel> He was banned from #ubuntu, he's also not connected anymore either.
[06:50] <bazhang> he's off freenode now
[06:51] <Paddy_NI> I have am still getting pms
[06:51] <Madpilot> rly?
[06:52] <Paddy_NI> want to see someone angry.. you have em
[06:52] <Paddy_NI> Do I need to do something with my router?
[06:52] <bazhang> Paddy_NI, tex has been dealt with, was there something else?
[06:53] <Paddy_NI> umm.. well how long does the ban last for?
[06:53] <Paddy_NI> my ban
[06:53] <bazhang> no idea
[06:53] <Paddy_NI> :/
[06:54] <Paddy_NI> Are you an operator?
[06:54] <maco> Paddy_NI: you discuss that with the op who set your ban
[06:54] <maco> i assume you mean Flannel's kick from -ot?
[06:54] <Paddy_NI> last question.. is this down for everyone http://library.gnome.org/devel/
[06:55] <Paddy_NI> maco, Yes from offtopic
[06:56] <maco> Paddy_NI: http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/http://library.gnome.org/devel/ just you
[06:56] <Flannel> Paddy_NI: When do you think you'll be able to participate in #ubuntu-offtopic without causing trouble?
[06:57] <Paddy_NI> Flannel, I wish I could be sincere.. but I do not like appearing like a "bot" :/
[06:57] <Paddy_NI> I mean
[06:57] <Flannel> It's not like this is the first time we've spoken to you about it.  You've got a handful of incidents in the past few months.
[06:57] <Paddy_NI> no I have not been on in the past few months
[06:58] <Paddy_NI> check your logs
[06:58] <Paddy_NI> although I do not wish to be exiled... this was not my intention
[06:59] <Flannel> Paddy_NI: December, November 3, September 26, September 11, July 29, July 17, July 7
[06:59] <Paddy_NI> others could also have been kicked yet I ... yet again.. have been made an example of?
[06:59] <Flannel> That's a handful in the past few months.
[06:59] <Paddy_NI> Flannel, no
[06:59] <Paddy_NI> I was not kicked or even on then
[06:59] <Flannel> Paddy_NI: I'm looking at the logs right now.
[06:59] <Flannel> Not bans, just removes.
[06:59] <Paddy_NI> as in I had no access
[06:59] <Flannel> Paddy_NI: Stop lying.
[06:59] <Paddy_NI> I am not
[07:00] <Paddy_NI> how dare you
[07:00] <Paddy_NI> I ask for proof that it was genuinely me?
[07:00] <Paddy_NI> I have been living in Jefferson Court this last few months with limited access
[07:02] <Paddy_NI> I cannot even use mibbit on "wireless walls"
[07:03] <Paddy_NI> I have also had imposters
[07:07] <Paddy_NI> Flannel, Excuse me.. but how long am I going to be banned for?
[07:07] <Flannel> Paddy_NI: There's no reason to think it wasn't you.  Your nick is identified, if you have had issues with people pretending to be you, you should guard your nick.  See /msg nickserv help enforce
[07:08] <Paddy_NI> sorry but I am not that savvy with security
[07:08] <Paddy_NI> How long am I going to be banned for?
[07:09] <Flannel> Paddy_NI: Again, even without your nick being enforced, these people were connecting from what appears to be your house, with your computer.  So it's unlikely they weren't you.
[07:09] <Paddy_NI> Flannel, I doubt that
[07:10] <Paddy_NI> considering wireless walls (3mbb) is the free wireless connection in the town centre
[07:10] <Flannel> Paddy_NI: Come back when you're ready to be honest.  Then we'll talk about you being unbanned.
[07:10] <Paddy_NI> now who is lying
[07:10] <Paddy_NI> this is ridiculous
[07:11] <Paddy_NI> ego is a major problem in this community.. I am very disappointed
[07:12] <elky> Paddy_NI, Your nick has been identified on the prior occasions Flannel mentioned. I see no issue in his hesitation given this. I doubt 3mbb gives your nickserv password out.
[07:13] <Paddy_NI> elky terribly sorry but I am speaking to Flannel
[07:13] <Paddy_NI> elky I also doubt you can verify that
[07:15] <elky> talking to me like that isn't going to suddenly achieve for you what you are hoping. it is however likely to deter me from bothering to help you in the future.
[07:15] <Paddy_NI> Flannel are you still here?
[07:15] <Flannel> Paddy_NI: I am.
[07:16] <Paddy_NI> Flannel, What can we/I do about this ban?
[07:16] <Flannel> Paddy_NI: Come back when you're ready to discuss it honestly.
[07:16] <Paddy_NI> How about now?
[07:17] <Paddy_NI> Or shall we give it 24 hours?
[07:17] <Flannel> Paddy_NI: No, come back in a week.
[07:18] <Paddy_NI> Is that part of the ubuntu COC?
[07:18] <Paddy_NI> I find this completely unfair and discriminatory
[07:18] <Flannel> Paddy_NI: "come back in a week"?  No.
[07:18] <elky> sure. it's right there at the top "must ban irishmen called Paddy for entire weeks"
[07:19] <Paddy_NI> elky knock it off.. you are just antagonising me
[07:19] <elky> Paddy_NI, you're not following Flannel's instructions. Please do so.
[07:21] <Paddy_NI> Flannel, why 1 week?
[07:22] <Flannel> Paddy_NI: Because it will hopefully be enough time for you to get your memory back
[07:23] <Paddy_NI> Flannel, explain?
[07:25] <Flannel> Paddy_NI: It is my hope that in a week you'll be able to remember that you weren't offline for the past few months, so that we can include cursory mentions of those incidents while we discuss your ban.
[07:26] <Paddy_NI> Flannel, no I was occasionally online but not banned within that time frame.. or kicked
[07:26] <Flannel> Paddy_NI: Again, we'll discuss it in a week.
[07:27] <Flannel> Paddy_NI: I hope you enjoy yourself this week, and look forward to talking to you after that.
[07:27] <Paddy_NI> one other question.. when are the current ops being re assessed by the community?
[07:28] <Flannel> Paddy_NI: If you have a complaint about an operator, you're welcome to file it with the IRC council.  It's outlined here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcTeam/AppealProcess  (step 4)
[07:28] <Paddy_NI> that was not my question
[07:29] <Paddy_NI> I believe they should all be purged and a lottery of sorts should happen to avoid this kind of incident happening
[07:29] <Paddy_NI> all in all good night
[07:29] <Paddy_NI> love you
[07:33] <Madpilot> wow
[07:34] <bazhang> I actually asked him to stop much earlier on, and he said he would.
[07:45] <mneptok> given human history, statements like "they should all be purged" never have very good consequences.
[07:46] <Flannel> I'm curious how the lottery would work
[07:49] <maco> purged? but i like my config files!
[07:51] <Madpilot> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lottery
[07:51] <cody-somerville> Madpilot, I don't think thats the sort of lottery he was talking about :P
[07:51] <Madpilot> I read that short story about five times in high school & university English lit, it's stuck. :)
[07:51] <Madpilot> I hope not ;)
[08:29] <Madpilot> !staff
[08:29] <Madpilot> more D C C spamming in #u
[08:29] <Madpilot> "Saundra"
[08:30] <Madpilot> Saundra@69.73.209.8
[08:45] <Madpilot> OK, that was about a dozen bots in #u...
[08:46] <Yos> wth
[08:46] <Yos> I just received like 100 or more DCC attempts
[08:46] <Madpilot> Yos, you and everyone else in #ubuntu and several other channels.
[08:46] <Flannel> Yos: Yep, a few more people decided to be a nuisance
[08:47] <Madpilot> It wasn't subtle :)
[08:47] <Yos> No , that it wasn't
[08:47] <Yos> What an attack
[09:21] <Flannel> Yos: Is there anything else we can help you with today?
[09:28] <Yos> No
[09:29] <Yos> Sorry, I'll leave :D
[10:45] <gord> note to self, actually remember to turn off dcc file requests in your irc client. i always forget until someone does that
[10:58]  * MenZa giggles.
[12:34] <Pricey> What's the ban list situation in #ubuntu? Have we cleared it?
[12:45] <MenZa> Would anyone mind if I added "Channel stats: <link>" to the -ot topic?
[12:54] <tsimpson> MenZa: I think as long as it's mostly "anonymous" statistics, it should be fine
[12:54] <tsimpson> I feel as the channel is not publicly logged it shouldn't contain identifiable content
[13:00] <MenZa> tsimpson: http://lassehavelund.com/ubuntu-offtopic
[13:00] <MenZa> It contains random strings.
[13:01] <tsimpson> I'm not too sure about that (there have been other like that before)
[13:02] <tsimpson> get some more opinions, I'm kinda half-and-half ;)
[13:04] <tsimpson> it's just that the channel is not logged, but some messages may become publicly available, so it kind of is logged...
[13:04] <tsimpson> but then again, I'm sure there are a few in -ot that keep logs/stats on their websites anyway...
[13:05]  * tsimpson attempts to stop running in circles
[13:05] <topyli> i don't think logging is excpicitly forbidden anywhere either
[13:07] <tsimpson> it's good practice to inform users of a channel if their messages are logged
[13:10] <topyli> according to the guidelines, ubuntu channels are logged. it does not say that -ot is not
[13:10] <topyli> getting associated with the devil here of course :)
[13:13] <tsimpson> true...
[13:13] <tsimpson> but putting it in the topic is more "official" than users keeping logs for them self
[13:27] <MenZa> indeed
[13:27] <MenZa> I'd be very willing to have my pisg stats remove anyone who doesn't like their name appearing there, though.
[13:29] <bazhang> Pricey, not resolved; though we have made space for the next short period of time.
[13:29] <bazhang> motown, hi
[13:30] <motown> hi bazhang, i get insults through pm by dian. can you banned this user? :(
[13:32] <bazhang> motown, they are randomly PM'ing you?
[13:37] <bazhang> motown, care to share what he/she is PM'ing you ? you can PM me
[13:51] <MenZa> ;o
[13:53] <tsimpson> MenZa: or you can do it opt-in ;)
[13:53] <MenZa> tsimpson: I'm not sure how pisg does that, but yes, yes I could.
[13:54] <tsimpson> MenZa: I just tested it, you can add all the users you want to include, then add a <user nick="NotLogged" alias="*" ignore="y"> at the bottom
[13:54] <MenZa> aha
[13:58] <topyli> do they still count in the stats? as 'anonymous coward' or something? of not, your stats are no stats at all :\
[13:59] <topyli> 1. MenZa, 2. anonymous, 3. anonymous, 4. topyli
[14:00] <tsimpson> ignore means act as if they aren't there at all
[14:07] <tsimpson> MenZa: you could add a footer/header describing how people can add their nicks to the stats too
[14:07] <MenZa> what I'm really looking for is a policy on logging
[14:07] <MenZa> why is -ot a sanctuary from Ubuntu logging?
[14:08] <tsimpson> we don't have an explicit policy as such
[14:08] <tsimpson> but if ubuntulog isn't in a channel, it's not officially logged
[14:08] <tsimpson> excluding loco chans
[14:08] <tsimpson> also, if a channel is logged, it should be in the topic or in the entry message
[14:09] <MenZa> oh I agree
[14:09] <MenZa> But I still feel we need a policy on it
[14:10] <topyli> for -ot logging?
[14:10] <tsimpson> add it to the next meeting agenda :)
[14:10] <tsimpson> topyli: I think generally, for all our (core) channels
[14:13] <MenZa> speaking of meeting agendas
[14:13] <MenZa> "IRC Council meeting (details) Sun Aug 2nd 07:00utc
[14:13] <MenZa> wat
[14:13] <tsimpson> I think it just hasn't been updated
[14:14] <MenZa> nor is there a date for the next meeting
[14:14]  * MenZa prods jussi01 
[14:14] <tsimpson> not since 2009-07-16
[14:14] <topyli> okay. two things then. whether or not people should be warned that their actions are public. and whether or not -t should be officially logged, and if not, is logging allowed
[14:14] <tsimpson> MenZa: we can't have a meeting until after the election
[14:14] <topyli> and how to stop people from doing so anyway
[14:15] <topyli> -ot even, not -t
[14:15] <tsimpson> well, we can't stop people from keeping logs of the channels they are in
[14:16] <topyli> oh and we certainly shouldn't. i mean public ones
[14:16] <tsimpson> the only issues I have with the stats is that it's not publicly logged by _us_
[14:16] <tsimpson> and so should it be in the topic or not
[14:17] <tsimpson> putting it in the topic makes it more official and public than joe-random keeping logs/stats and sticking it somewhere on the web
[14:17] <bazhang> yep
[14:18] <MenZa> oh certainly
[14:18] <MenZa> I just don't understand why we don't already *have* a logging policy
[14:19] <tsimpson> we don't have a fully formed logging policy, the only thing like it is what's in the guidelines
[14:19] <tsimpson> which is not really specific enough
[14:20] <tsimpson> once sentence does not a policy make
[14:20] <MenZa> When do we expect to have the IRCC formed?
[14:20] <bazhang> heh
[14:24] <tsimpson> nominations are now closed, so it's up to the CC to get back to us
[14:27] <MenZa> nothing on their next agenda.
[15:06] <jussi01> MenZa: currently the cc is waiting for comments from the ircc before making its shortlist, which will then be made public for $period of time as to solicit comments from the general public (irc community). then a decision will be made and we will ahve a full ircc again. At least thats how I understand it
[15:06] <jussi01> meetings will resuume then.
[15:07] <jussi01> and tsimpson, I thought we had a meeting in november and october also?
[15:14] <MenZa> jussi01: wonderful
[15:16] <tsimpson> jussi01: that was just when the text was updated last
[17:18] <ikonia> !staff | bot-zjblabs and zjblabs are trying to attack multiple ubuntu channels with bots be aware please
[17:19] <ikonia> need someone with access to edubuntu quick
[17:20] <ikonia> Pici: I assume you're active now
[17:20] <Pici> I don't have access there
[17:20] <Pici> :(
[17:20] <ikonia> is freenode in the list ?
[17:20] <Pici> yes
[17:20] <Pici> What are the bots doing?
[17:21] <ikonia> flooding the channels when he issues !attack command
[17:21] <ikonia> as you can see
[17:21] <ikonia> !staff | help in edubuntu needed
[17:24] <ikonia> thanks pici
[17:42] <Flannel> tsimpson, topyli, MenZa: I don't believe anyone publishes logs of -ot, we've actively asked people to remove them in the past.
[17:43] <Flannel> (so, if they do publish logs, it's because we're not aware of them)
[17:46] <topyli> Flannel, i know. there's an unofficial "no photographing at the pub" agreement, but there's no real policy
[17:47] <topyli> of course since i mentioned the pub, unofficial agreements can, and often are, enforced rather effectively
[17:57] <Majost> I have been having issues with some bots trying to send me a file titled " MOTHER_SPANKS_CHILD_RATHER_HARD.MPEG" every weekend
[17:57] <Majost> I get about 50 or so DCC send queues, 4 at a time, per a randomly generated nick
[17:58] <Majost> not really sure what to do about it, so I came here
[17:58] <ikonia> Majost: how do you know this is from the #ubuntu channel ?
[17:58] <Majost> good point... I dunno if I do.
[17:58] <ikonia> ok - so that would be the first point to check,
[17:59] <Majost> will do.
[18:37] <MenZa> Flannel: I'm still looking for an official policy on the subject
[18:40] <Pici> See the freenode motd
[18:46] <MenZa> good point, Pici
[18:46] <MenZa> removing the random quotes now
[18:46] <MenZa> that doesn't change my stance on the subject that *we* need a policy on it, as well
[18:47] <MenZa> Pici: http://lassehavelund.com/ubuntu-offtopic/
[18:47]  * MenZa runs away.
[19:28] <ardchoille> I'm seeing a few instances of users with different nicks and IP's inputting three or more lines at a time in #ubuntu
[19:28] <ardchoille> Is there a known issue with a server or something?
[19:29] <ardchoille> These seem to be legitimate issues because the users go with help from others
[19:29] <Pricey> Have you got an example?
[19:30] <Pricey> like pratik?
[19:30] <ardchoille> most recently in #ubuntu with him and proby and gbear (who was kicked by a floodbot
[19:30] <ardchoille> Just wanted to let you know of a potential issue
[19:31] <ardchoille> I wonder if they're all connected to the same server
[19:38] <ardchoille> Ok, I've reported it and will let you good folks handle it from here. No need for me to remain in this channel. Thanks :)
[19:47] <Mamarok> just a little away log: I will not be available next week
[19:47] <topyli> gbear is now on -ot for support :)
[19:47] <jussi01> Mamarok: thanks for telling us.
[19:48] <Mamarok> jussi01: you are welcome :)
[19:49] <gbear> hello topli
[19:49] <topyli> what was it that we do when webchat users don't get into #ubuntu?
[19:49] <topyli> thanks for joining gbear
[19:50] <topyli> gbear, i can't remember how we're used to dealing with this issue :)
[19:50] <gbear> no prob... just hope I can get this /boot unreconized filesystem thing solved
[19:50] <topyli> yeah
[19:50] <nalioth> topyli: webchat users should be forwarde to #ubuntu-read-topic and from there, they can follow the instructions
[19:51] <topyli> nalioth, ah that was it. thank you
[19:52] <topyli> nalioth, looks like gbear was simply kicked by floodbot though
[19:52] <gbear> k in #ubuntu-read-topic
[19:52] <topyli> right
[19:53] <gbear> topyli: can you join me in #ubuntu-read-topic please?
[19:53] <topyli> sure one sec
[19:56] <topyli> gbear, interesting
[19:56] <gbear> sorry... didn't mean to be the tough case today... :-/
[19:57] <topyli> heh
[19:57] <gbear> any advice?
[19:57] <topyli> dunno, apparently your superpower is that you're untestable
[19:58] <gbear> that mean I get a cape?
[19:58] <topyli> sure
[19:58] <nalioth> one made of lead
[19:58]  * nalioth runs
[19:58] <topyli> but as you find, this power is in fact a curse, as you can't join #ubuntu :(
[19:59] <topyli> i don't know how to manually test people
[19:59] <Pici> 14:39:37 <FloodBot1> gbear tried to join from a gateway, but *!*@cpe-67-249-216-237.twcny.res.rr.com is banned
[20:00] <gbear> I'm banned?
[20:01] <topyli> your host sure is
[20:01] <gbear> unban me please?
[20:01] <gbear> or rather... my host?
[20:02] <Pici> gbear: You're unbanned, but please remember not to repeat so often.
[20:02] <Pici> !patience
[20:03] <gbear> thanks Pici
[20:03] <gbear> hmm... still no luck
[20:04] <Pici> gbear: you need to try to rejoin #ubuntu, #ubuntu-read-topic can't help you.
[20:04] <Pici> nalioth: proxy users are forwarded to #ubuntu-proxy-users, not -read-topic.
[20:04] <gbear> pici... I tried /join #ubuntu... but no response
[20:05] <Pici> gbear: then follow the directions in #ubuntu-proxy-users
[20:05]  * topyli makes another note
[20:05] <Pici> you'll probably need to part there and then join #ubuntu again
[20:05] <Pici> If you can, you really should be using a real IRC client and not the webchat as well.
[20:06] <gbear> pici... I would but I'm running on a live cd
[20:07] <maco> empathy can do irc
[20:07] <maco> it's on the live cd
[20:09] <gbear> I'm in... thank you topyli Pici nalioth and maco
[21:55] <ikonia> ircseek bot just joined #kubuntu - what's the current status of it please ?
[21:55] <ikonia> same for #ubuntu
[22:03]  * ikonia pings Pici jussi01 for council steer
[22:14] <Flannel> ikonia: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-irc/2007-December/000383.html
[22:14] <Flannel> (Yes, they're allowed in #u and #k)
[22:14] <ikonia> thanks
[22:14] <Flannel> and more, but to answer your question
[22:14] <ikonia> good enough for me