[00:42] Riddell: For the kdegraphics build failure on armel, I have this theory that qimageblitz needs to be rebuilt on arm due to the switch to v7. Would you be able to upload a rebuild to the armel PPA and then build kdegraphics against that? [01:45] mm, driving was fun tonight [01:46] seeing 7 or 8 SUVs and pickup trucks in the ditch/flipped over, distributed one or two per mile was snicker-worthy though [01:47] :) [01:48] I threw the new libssh at the archive [01:49] http://pastebin.ca/1713547 [01:50] D: [01:50] he did a diff between his Qt-kde branch on git and Qt-kde branch (ever in git) [01:51] oh yeah, the kde-qt git branch [01:51] maybe we're missing some patches from there? [01:51] now I downloaded his Qt-kde branch and I'm doing a diff between qt 4.6.0 stable and his branch [01:53] * JontheEchidna kicks off another polkit-1 build for kde4libs [02:23] JontheEchidna: http://pastebin.ca/1713896 [02:23] :) [02:23] JontheEchidna: I'm wondering if I have to add some build-deps [02:25] you rock [02:25] I wouldn't think you'd have to add anything except the libpulse dev package [02:26] JontheEchidna: maybe I have to add the build-deps of phonon-backends package? no? [02:27] a lot of those are for the xine plugin, which qt phonon doesn't have [02:29] well, I try to build with only libpulse dev === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [04:13] JontheEchidna: Qt uploaded to ninja [04:13] patch: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/394059/updated-phonon.diff [04:14] good night [04:17] I'm going off to bed too [04:21] JontheEchidna: I'm working updating libattica to 0.1.0. 0.1.1 is out, but I can't find the tarball. In the meantime, libattica is currently misbuilt on armel, so I need to upload something and so I'm going with 0.1.0 [05:07] Urgh. Help. https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libattica/0.1.0-0ubuntu1/+build/1394421/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-lucid-armel.libattica_0.1.0-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz [05:08] JontheEchidna: ^^^ [05:08] * ScottK is going to bed. [05:26] Now I'm going to bed. Uploaded it again without the symbols file. === markey_ is now known as markey [08:30] ehlo :) [10:12] based on cjwatson and Keybuk's chatter in #ubuntu-devel, sounds like we're not supposed to have usplash anymore [10:12] seeded, i mean [10:50] Hello, I'm using Ubuntu karmic and tried to compile the latest version of amarok. I followed this tutorial step by step--> http://www.howtoforge.com/how-to-compile-amarok-2-from-git-on-kubuntu-9.10-karmic When I try to compile amarok itself it gives me following error --> http://pastebin.com/d1d509e4d. I asked in the amarok-channel but nobody was able to help me. I think something went wrong with the QTscript and QT Bindi [10:50] ngs. I also tried it with the qtscript-tools package via apt-get. The error message is the same. Could someone give me a hint where to start? [10:55] elvito: Have you installed the 'libqt4-dev' package? [10:56] yes [10:57] wth [10:57] crappy howto [10:57] elvito: apt-get build-dep amarok [10:59] ok there were some packages missing [10:59] i'll retry the compiling and report the result [10:59] echo 'export KDEDIR=$HOME/kde' >> ${HOME}/.kde/env/myenv.sh [10:59] isnt this wrong ? [10:59] echo 'export KDEDIR=$HOME/.kde' >> ${HOME}/.kde/env/myenv.sh [10:59] right one ? [10:59] i use gnome [10:59] ah ok [11:00] ah ok he makes an kde build folder [11:00] well [11:00] technically the main runtime path [11:01] ghostcube: http://techbase.kde.org/KDE_System_Administration/Environment_Variables#KDEDIRS [11:01] yeah worked! [11:02] just a missing package [11:02] thanks a lot === cortex_sk is now known as cortex|sk [11:03] apachelogger: yeah makes sense ;) [11:10] mhh ==6651== total heap usage: 22 allocs, 22 frees, 1,355 bytes allocated :D [11:11] smarter: qimageblitz uploaded === sebasje is now known as sebas [11:11] ScottK rather [11:11] talking of amarok, I should look at that if nobody else is already [11:12] the beta? [11:12] we had to delay release for one day (hopefully only), because of server upgrade [11:12] if we can get the server move done, we'll release today [11:12] (2.2.2-Beta) [11:13] markey: I'd best get packaging then :) [11:13] that would be nice :) [11:14] * markey is all giddy about the new server [11:14] pretty big iron (but still relatively cheap) [11:14] i7, 12Gigs, 2TB HDD, 100Mbit pipe [11:14] o.o [11:14] why does amarok need a new server? it's just one website isn't it? [11:14] (and cheaper than our current dual-core) [11:14] ship it to me [11:14] no stop [11:14] directly [11:14] ah yeah I was thinking of getting one of those [11:15] no the t hing is, it's cheaper than before :) [11:15] they're quite cheap nowadays [11:15] Riddell: nope there is much more stuff on that server [11:15] so we would be silly not to upgrade [11:15] markey: Hetzner? [11:15] Sput: yes [11:15] yeah [11:15] Riddell: konversation and oxygen for example [11:15] Hetzner is cool [11:15] we plan to host a lot more KDE stuff in the future [11:15] apachelogger: all your warez? :) [11:15] on that box [11:15] Riddell: also neon was running on that server ;) [11:15] oh true [11:15] i only have a new server at university now [11:15] * apachelogger happened to have a home of almost 100G I have been told :P [11:15] but only xeon 3 gig [11:15] :) [11:16] woah i need to set this one up before the new semester starts [11:16] outsch [11:16] o.o [11:16] Hetzner has great prices, and good service [11:16] really recommendable [11:16] yep [11:16] ghostcube: FAI :P [11:16] :| [11:17] ghostcube: \sh always does the sweet talk about FAI [11:17] :P [11:18] markey: how much does a box like that go for nowadays? [11:18] * apachelogger guesses 3 bucks per year :P [11:18] well [11:18] sec [11:19] amichair: http://www.hetzner.de/en/hosting/produkte_rootserver/eq6/ [11:19] can't complain about that :) [11:20] nice [11:20] apachelogger: :O deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/fai/ubuntu karmic main [11:20] havent known that there are ubuntu packages [11:20] hence I mentioned that \sh is quite the FAI obsessee :P [11:21] :D [11:21] markey: how much bandwidth does the server use on average? [11:21] apachelogger: 40 per month or ? [11:22] yeah he keeps spamming twitter with it :) [11:22] wow 60 a month is hard [11:22] :D [11:22] so i stay with my xeon for =€ [11:22] so i stay with my xeon for 0€ [11:22] woha vamopire smily [11:22] =€ [11:22] cool [11:22] :D [11:22] amichair: ours currently? I don't have exact stats, but I heard something about 500 Gigs [11:22] hm [11:23] is that realistic? [11:23] our admin knows better [11:23] well that site says 92 GBit bandwidth [11:23] b/w is 100Mbit [11:23] cap, not speed [11:23] (at least that's how I understand it) [11:24] traffic limited to 2TB, but you can buy more if you over that [11:24] oh I see [11:24] cool [11:24] dunno really, but, the pipe is huge [11:24] our (dual-core) server survived a Slashdot/Digg frontpage once [11:24] at the same time [11:24] and stayed alive :) [11:24] so, it is pretty decent [11:24] markey: what more can u ask for? :-) [11:26] Riddell: a few more software-properties fixes waiting in the branch. I think we're fresh out of sp-kde specific bugs :-) [11:27] well, at least until someone starts using the new version :-P [11:27] 100 mbit pipe over 500 tb you get 10 mbit pipes markey as i read it correct in CT [11:27] yeah, something like that [11:27] hier mal ein buchtip für alle german fähigen [11:27] marc-uwe kling Die Känguruh Chroniken [11:27] amichair: great [11:27] ich hab mich selten so weggeschmissen [11:36] so I hear there's gonna be a new splash system used? so no point trying to fix the current broken splashes in lucid alpha? [11:41] amichair: yes (as far as I can make out, I've not investigated it much yet) [11:42] amichair: there's a thread about plymouth on the kubuntu-devel mailing list with a link to the upstream bug for it [11:43] can't wait to see how it'll look :-) [11:50] I finally finished the first draft of the feature tour for the new kubuntu website [11:50] http://www.violetech.org/feature-tour-main-page-draft-1.png [11:50] What do you think? [11:54] ofirk: looks awesome [11:55] ofirk: is there still a planned slideshow image? that can reduce the screenshot clutter, and at the same time show larger images [11:55] ofirk: looks cool [11:58] nice [11:58] amichair: there will be screenshot slideshow at the homepage [12:00] ofirk: cool [12:00] I almost forgot.. [12:01] there is another draft: [12:01] http://www.violetech.org/feature-tour-main-page-draft-2.png [12:01] the diffrence is less screenshots in the upper part [12:03] ofirk: ooh, shiny! [12:03] ofirk: do u know if there will also be an actual (large size) screenshots section? [12:03] amichair: that's stuck on security :( [12:04] the drupal module didn't pass kees's security review [12:04] someone who knows PHP and drupal needs to fix it up [12:04] use joomla o.o [12:04] or typo3 [12:04] isntead of drup [12:05] was ofirk the one with experience in that, or someone else asking about timelord? [12:05] btw what did happen to all those other timelord inquirers? how's our retention rate? [12:06] Which one is better? [12:07] ofirk: to me, one looks too much, and the other too little. maybe the second with larger sizes? the tiny ones really are tiny :-) [12:08] amichair: ok, thanks [12:08] amichair: poor but in general people who say "I want to help" often don't hang around compared to people who say "this annoys me, I'm going to look into it" [12:09] * amichair sees a finger pointing at him [12:09] :-) [12:11] cool i must more often step into classroom [12:11] need to learn more about packaging [12:11] :) [12:13] amichair: oh not at all, you're a bit of an exception there :) [12:13] Riddell: that's a problem. I'm going to look into it. [12:14] so maybe instead of pointing ppl at general triaging etc, we should first ask which aspects/apps they use most or would like to see improved etc., and use that as an entry point (even to triaging) [12:24] markey: amarok needs qtscript from http://code.google.com/p/qtscriptgenerator/ ? from qt 4.6 isn't good enough? [12:27] Riddell: isnt qtscriptgenerator creating more bindings than basic qtscript ships? [12:27] phonon for example [12:27] yes I mean qtscriptgenerator [12:28] I'm getting [12:28] markey: amarok needs qtscript from http://code.google.com/p/qtscriptgenerator/ ? from qt 4.6 isn't good enough?-- The following REQUIRED packages could NOT be located on your system. [12:28] ? [12:28] "-- The following REQUIRED packages could NOT be located on your system. * qtscript-qt " [12:28] is what I'm geetting [12:28] when compiling amarok [12:28] oh [12:32] but qtscriptgenerator won't compile http://paste.ubuntu.com/341123/ [12:36] hmm http://paste.ubuntu.com/341126/ [12:36] buildingtest segfaults [12:36] that could explain it [12:39] yep, qt script is broken in lucid, waa === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk [12:47] wibble http://paste.ubuntu.com/341137/ [12:50] Riddell: not to mention that atleast at some point qtscriptgenerator check in amarok required dbus session running, caused issues with my scripts (: [12:51] hum [12:55] Riddell: and cmake output doesn't mention this, ofcourse, I ran manually the check to find out this [12:56] oh and current amarok fails to build with intrepid mysql... [12:56] well, mysqle collection part atleast [12:56] but that's mysql package issue, I suppose [13:00] is the 'find best server' feature in software-properties working well for everyone? and the rest of sp? [13:06] Riddell: Thanks (qimageblitz). libattica misbuilt on armel (due to Qt4 BIC change) was the cause of the latest -runtime failure. We've got ~75 minutes to find out how much farther it gets now. [13:06] Tm_T: you're right, works ok in a full VM [13:07] Riddell: nasty, isn't it [13:13] ScottK: kdegraphics uploaded now [13:13] to ppa [13:14] Riddell: Cool. kdenetwork has an identical build failure, btw. [13:17] Riddell: workspace looks like another qreal problem. Still no NCommander. [13:18] sebas: Any chance you could look at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace/4:4.3.80-0ubuntu2/+build/1393520/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-lucid-armel.kdebase-workspace_4:4.3.80-0ubuntu2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz [13:18] Riddell, PolicyKit-1 is implemented in the current kdebase? [13:18] ScottK: sure, somewhen in the next hours most likely [13:19] glatzor: no but there's a separate package in kdereview which JontheEchidna packaged yesterday [13:20] sebas: btw, do you need a bug for the wrong trayicon being shown if one has a GSM device that's offline? [13:20] yeah, I have all the kde pieces, but I need something KDE that actually uses polkit-1 [13:20] (good morning, by the way) [13:20] Sput: yes, please. Might get lost otherwise [13:20] phew, amarok finally building [13:20] sebas: ok, will file today or tomorrow then :) [13:21] Sput: sweet, thanks [13:21] * Sput needs to finish his presentation and shouldn't lurk around IRC -.- [13:21] I've pretty much reserved hacking time over christmas / new year for KDE bugs [13:21] nice :) [13:21] all in all the plasmoid is working well for me [13:21] nice :) [13:24] https://launchpad.net/~echidnaman/+archive/ppa/?field.series_filter=lucid <- for those interested in polkit-qt/kde-1 stuff [13:36] now that Riddell is back, are we going to have a meetign? [13:36] We should. [13:36] meh, kde4libs w/ polkit-1 ftbfs linking libkdecore [13:37] jussi01: feel free to do the dooble scheduling thing [13:37] and I found my error in several pastebins on the internet so it's probably just me [13:37] It would be nice if I had found anything other than pastebin posts with the error :/ [13:44] Riddell: ScottK is there an agenda somewhere? === markey_ is now known as markey [13:47] jussi01: The usual place (whereever that is). We need to get KC to approve our specs, I know. === zorael_ is now known as zorael [13:47] hrr [13:48] ScottK: thats what I was asking :D where is "the usual place" :D [13:48] Wiki somewhere is all I know. [13:51] oh, found it: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Meetings [13:51] :) [13:52] ehm, where was the patch for kopete-facebook plugin to fix crash on quit? === flacoste_afk is now known as flacoste [14:07] jussi01: you can delete the old items on the agenda page [14:08] just send the doodle to the kubuntu devel list? [14:10] yep === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [14:22] Riddell: done. [14:23] * txwikinger presumes the times are UTC [14:24] you can set the timezone [14:24] I can? [14:24] nah, its borked iirc [14:29] Well.. if it uses timezones, it is vey odd :) === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk [14:31] * txwikinger thinks he needs to sue facebook [14:32] should be interesting [14:33] is there by chance a test suite i could run to measure my kde performance (whatever that is in particular)? [14:35] al: Not that I know of, but it depends a lot on what you mean by performance. [14:36] when i switch from quassel to thunderbird it takes forever to fully render [14:36] when i click a link in akregator, it takes forever for the browser tab to appear [14:36] stuff like that [14:37] i installed a gentoo flavor on the same machine, trying to stick as close to the kubuntu setup it replaced and things felt a lot faster there [14:37] so, obviously i can't put my finger at what the issue really is, which is why i'm looking for some diagnostic tools [14:37] al: I'm not sure, but I think you've hit on a good area for investigation. [14:38] Sounds like something like a runtime equivalent of bootchart would be useful. [14:39] yea, that'd be perfect [14:40] al: How about http://oprofile.sourceforge.net/examples/ [14:41] Seems at least in the ballpark. [14:42] al: It's also packaged. [14:43] good morning, or whatever time of day it is where you are [14:44] my kvm must be broken. kubuntu lucid will not boot and has not since before alpha 1 [14:44] using the following command kvm -cdrom lucid-desktop-amd64.iso -m 2048 [14:44] using kvm in hardy 64bit [14:46] redhammer: that doesn't sound like a problem with KDE, we only do KDE here [14:46] ty [14:52] ScottK: i had hoped for a more standardized approach (read: less work for me) [14:52] al: I understand. This is an area I know needs work and has been on my TODO for about 9 months now. Sorry I don't have a better answer. Maybe someone else will. [14:54] what time zone is that kubuntu meeting being scheduled in? [14:54] UTC? [14:59] al: Do you test kubuntu and gentoo for the same amount of time? [15:02] txwikinger: sorry, i don't get the question [15:03] well.. how long has your KDE instance run when you compare the times of switch [15:03] seele: I'd assume UTC [15:03] Riddell: I have entered my info as UTC [15:04] txwikinger: oh, yea, same amount of time [15:05] i didn't set it up for testing purposes, it's my main workstation [15:07] but if i'm going to oprofile it i'll try to think of a somewhat reproducible and comparable test scenario [15:19] Riddell: can you upload koffice from bzr when you have time? thanks [15:21] just wondering will we replace OOo with koffice in lucid? [15:21] dont think so [15:22] any concerns? [15:24] Lex79: to lucid? [15:24] yes [15:24] freeflying: it's not ready, we may not even include it in main [15:24] we need some MIR also [15:24] Riddell: got it, thanks [15:29] Riddell: txwikinger Nightrose, I added that the times are in utc to the description. [15:30] jussi01: next time just allow timezone support ;-) [15:30] that makes it a lot easier for everyone [15:30] and also makes it show up right in my imported calendar [15:31] Nightrose: timezone support is broken [15:31] how so? [15:32] it doesnt allow you to use it... [15:32] Oo [15:32] it worked well last i used it [15:32] been broken for a while iirc. [15:32] hmmmm [15:32] yeah, lets you enable it, but when you go to click next it gives errors. [15:32] mpfh [15:32] ok [15:32] I did try to use it first up... [15:33] k [15:33] What's the link for the doodle poll? [15:33] ScottK: devel list [15:33] sorry can't copy here [15:34] email is on the other pc [15:34] OK. thanks. [15:34] * ScottK has the same problem. Webmail it is. [15:36] sebas: I'd appreciate it if you'd add http://launchpadlibrarian.net/36774143/buildlog_ubuntu-lucid-armel.kdebase-runtime_4%3A4.3.80-0ubuntu5_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz to your list. [15:42] http://www.doodle.com/2u4q56pf7e3nxg3a jic [15:50] ScottK: http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/tmp/kdegraphics-arm [15:50] close! [15:52] Riddell: Very close. Looks like the qimageblitz rebuild is definitely needed. [15:52] ScottK: I'll throw that up into lucid [15:52] Riddell: Excellent. [15:55] ScottK: dunno why okular poppler doesn't get compiled though [15:56] Riddell: Agreed. That's odd. [15:57] ScottK: nothing obvious in the buildlog, hard to look more without access to a machine to hand build on [15:57] maybe we should just upload kdegraphics without okular poppler for now [16:42] sweet: http://imagebin.ca/view/PAJ6LvV.html [16:43] JontheEchidna: Nice. [16:43] Riddell: I think one can have arch specific install files. [16:44] ScottK: yes I uploaded to the PPA with that [16:44] Ah. OK. [16:44] ScottK: upstream has no ideas without having access to the build files either [16:45] ScottK: looks like the kdebase-workspace issue is already fixed in svn, I'll nab that [16:45] Riddell: Cool. So sebas can take the one off his list (just runtime now, IIRC). [16:45] software-center actually works with polkit-kde-1 too [16:45] jussi01: awooga [16:47] ScottK: the kdebase-runtime one is the same issue in the same file (seems to be a copied file) [16:47] sebas.stack().pop() [16:47] Riddell: Ooh. Even better. Code reuse FTW. [16:47] Riddell: Is runtime fixed upstream? [16:47] yes [16:48] Nice. [16:48] nixternal: Is there a reason you didn't upload your kdeedu improvements? [16:49] Does anyone have a Lynx live Cd ? [16:52] there usually isn't live CD until Alpha2 or Alpha3 [16:52] alpha 1 has a live CD, see kubuntu.org [16:52] * Daskreech ponders how people are responding to his bug report then [16:54] Riddell: can you tell me precisely what I am to do with a comment like awooga? is it same as ping? [16:55] :D [16:59] jussi01: no it means "oh good" [17:00] and it was intended for JontheEchidna [17:00] Riddell: heh [17:00] ;-) [17:00] ok then... :( [17:00] seems my tab completion isn't working well today [17:00] jussi01: but awooga to you for applying for membership :) [17:00] :) [17:01] Riddell: I hope Im doing it right, I have ubuntu membership, but want kubuntu membership. [17:01] yes you are [17:01] great :) === ghostcube_ is now known as ghostcube [17:52] apachelogger: ping [18:26] gah, amarok doesn't compile in a buildd, it probably needs X and dbus running for that qtscript test [18:28] Riddell: I wonder if one can just force the check being skipped and set found [18:28] that's what I'm thinking [18:40] sup? [18:40] google cal sync is working for anyone? [18:41] ScottK: yeah, because I couldn't test build them...I don't do blind uploads [18:42] Quintasan: I found this on identi.ca: http://identi.ca/notice/16733737 [18:42] nixternal: How about now? [18:42] phonon stuff was causing htem not to build [18:42] haven't tried [18:42] I will try it now [18:42] ulysses__: I did this, doesn't work for Calendar [18:43] Contacts are synced but no things from calendar [18:52] ulysses__: oh well, it works but only for my default calendar :S [18:54] ScottK: grump http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/tmp/kdegraphics-arm [18:56] Riddell: Progress? [18:56] not much [18:57] okular does seem to be compling to some extent [18:58] I guess the in archive retry I did doesn't have much hope. [18:59] oh that's pdf so that's the same problem [18:59] I'll try again with that file removed [19:16] Hi All, if i wanted to create a VM to start developing/compiling kde, is there a setup guide/ version of kubuntu i can install on the vm [19:27] cragdor: there isn't a version specifically for development. the kde-devel package should get you most of what you need. see techbase.kde.org for guides. [19:43] ScottK: what do you think about an MIR for xplanet? this way here we can build kdeedu (kstars) completely? [19:43] Riddell: ^^ [19:43] nixternal: I'd say worth asking (filling it out). [19:44] that is the only dep that kdeedu is missing from being complete, well that and the experimental python crap [19:50] this is the place for kubuntu 10.04, correct? [19:53] well, I guess I'll just ask my question then, is there a fix out for the kickoff application launcher such that when I type in a search term that it will auto select the most relevant result? [19:56] r4v3nsw0rd: for 4.4 it should do that from the runners [19:57] nixternal: what does xplanet do for kstars? [19:57] sorry, 4.4 of what Daskreech? [19:58] KDE SC [20:01] ah, oops, found my problem, forgot to update after the upgrade, k, thanks [20:16] when KDE4.4 SC beta 1 packages will be available? [20:17] I mean for karmic [20:17] * ghostcube listens [20:37] When they're ready [20:37] * ScottK doesn't recall who was working on them. [20:40] Daskreech: I've updated, but it still occurs, how to I install KDE SC 4.4? [20:44] ScottK: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MainInclusionReportXplanet <- quick review please [20:45] Riddell: it adds the ability to render the xplanet data...we are the only distro not providing this ability [20:46]