[00:42] <ScottK> Riddell: For the kdegraphics build failure on armel, I have this theory that qimageblitz needs to be rebuilt on arm due to the switch to v7.  Would you be able to upload a rebuild to the armel PPA and then build kdegraphics against that?
[01:45] <JontheEchidna> mm, driving was fun tonight
[01:46] <JontheEchidna> seeing 7 or 8 SUVs and pickup trucks in the ditch/flipped over, distributed one or two per mile was snicker-worthy though
[01:47] <Lex79> :)
[01:48] <JontheEchidna> I threw the new libssh at the archive
[01:49] <Lex79> http://pastebin.ca/1713547
[01:50] <JontheEchidna> D:
[01:50] <Lex79> he did a diff between his Qt-kde branch on git and Qt-kde branch (ever in git)
[01:51] <JontheEchidna> oh yeah, the kde-qt git branch
[01:51] <JontheEchidna> maybe we're missing some patches from there?
[01:51] <Lex79> now I downloaded his Qt-kde branch and I'm doing a diff between qt 4.6.0 stable and his branch
[01:53]  * JontheEchidna kicks off another polkit-1 build for kde4libs
[02:23] <Lex79> JontheEchidna: http://pastebin.ca/1713896
[02:23] <Lex79> :)
[02:23] <Lex79> JontheEchidna: I'm wondering if I have to add some build-deps
[02:25] <JontheEchidna> you rock
[02:25] <JontheEchidna> I wouldn't think you'd have to add anything except the libpulse dev package
[02:26] <Lex79> JontheEchidna: maybe I have to add the build-deps of phonon-backends package? no?
[02:27] <JontheEchidna> a lot of those are for the xine plugin, which qt phonon doesn't have
[02:29] <Lex79> well, I try to build with only libpulse dev
[04:13] <Lex79> JontheEchidna: Qt uploaded to ninja
[04:13] <Lex79> patch: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/394059/updated-phonon.diff
[04:14] <Lex79> good night
[04:17] <JontheEchidna> I'm going off to bed too
[04:21] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: I'm working updating libattica to 0.1.0.  0.1.1 is out, but I can't find the tarball.  In the meantime, libattica is currently misbuilt on armel, so I need to upload something and so I'm going with 0.1.0
[05:07] <ScottK> Urgh.  Help.  https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libattica/0.1.0-0ubuntu1/+build/1394421/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-lucid-armel.libattica_0.1.0-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[05:08] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: ^^^
[05:08]  * ScottK is going to bed.
[05:26] <ScottK> Now I'm going to bed.  Uploaded it again without the symbols file.
[08:30] <ghostcube> ehlo :)
[10:12] <maco> based on cjwatson and Keybuk's chatter in #ubuntu-devel, sounds like we're not supposed to have usplash anymore
[10:12] <maco> seeded, i mean
[10:50] <elvito> Hello, I'm using Ubuntu karmic and tried to compile the latest version of amarok. I followed this tutorial step by step--> http://www.howtoforge.com/how-to-compile-amarok-2-from-git-on-kubuntu-9.10-karmic When I try to compile amarok itself it gives me following error  --> http://pastebin.com/d1d509e4d. I asked in the amarok-channel but nobody was able to help me. I think something went wrong with the QTscript and QT Bindi
[10:50] <elvito> ngs. I also tried it with the qtscript-tools package via apt-get. The error message is the same. Could someone give me a hint where to start?
[10:55] <ulysses__> elvito: Have you installed the 'libqt4-dev' package?
[10:56] <elvito> yes
[10:57] <apachelogger> wth
[10:57] <apachelogger> crappy howto
[10:57] <apachelogger> elvito: apt-get build-dep amarok
[10:59] <elvito> ok there were some packages missing
[10:59] <elvito> i'll retry the compiling and report the result
[10:59] <ghostcube> echo 'export KDEDIR=$HOME/kde' >> ${HOME}/.kde/env/myenv.sh
[10:59] <ghostcube> isnt this wrong ?
[10:59] <ghostcube> echo 'export KDEDIR=$HOME/.kde' >> ${HOME}/.kde/env/myenv.sh
[10:59] <ghostcube> right one ?
[10:59] <elvito> i use gnome
[10:59] <ghostcube> ah ok
[11:00] <ghostcube> ah ok he makes an kde build folder
[11:00] <apachelogger> well
[11:00] <apachelogger> technically the main runtime path
[11:01] <apachelogger> ghostcube: http://techbase.kde.org/KDE_System_Administration/Environment_Variables#KDEDIRS
[11:01] <elvito> yeah worked!
[11:02] <elvito> just a missing package
[11:02] <elvito> thanks a lot
[11:03] <ghostcube> apachelogger: yeah makes sense ;)
[11:10] <apachelogger> mhh ==6651==   total heap usage: 22 allocs, 22 frees, 1,355 bytes allocated :D
[11:11] <Riddell> smarter: qimageblitz uploaded
[11:11] <Riddell> ScottK rather
[11:11] <Riddell> talking of amarok, I should look at that if nobody else is already
[11:12] <markey> the beta?
[11:12] <markey> we had to delay release for one day (hopefully only), because of server upgrade
[11:12] <markey> if we can get the server move done, we'll release today
[11:12] <markey> (2.2.2-Beta)
[11:13] <Riddell> markey: I'd best get packaging then :)
[11:13] <markey> that would be nice :)
[11:14]  * markey is all giddy about the new server
[11:14] <markey> pretty big iron (but still relatively cheap)
[11:14] <markey> i7, 12Gigs, 2TB HDD, 100Mbit pipe
[11:14] <ghostcube> o.o
[11:14] <Riddell> why does amarok need a new server?  it's just one website isn't it?
[11:14] <markey> (and cheaper than our current dual-core)
[11:14] <ghostcube> ship it to me
[11:14] <ghostcube> no stop
[11:14] <ghostcube> directly
[11:14] <Sput> ah yeah I was thinking of getting one of those
[11:15] <markey> no the t hing is, it's cheaper than before :)
[11:15] <Sput> they're quite cheap nowadays
[11:15] <apachelogger> Riddell: nope there is much more stuff on that server
[11:15] <markey> so we would be silly not to upgrade
[11:15] <Sput> markey: Hetzner?
[11:15] <markey> Sput: yes
[11:15] <Sput> yeah
[11:15] <apachelogger> Riddell: konversation and oxygen for example
[11:15] <ghostcube> Hetzner is cool
[11:15] <markey> we plan to host a lot more KDE stuff in the future
[11:15] <Riddell> apachelogger: all your warez? :)
[11:15] <markey> on that box
[11:15] <apachelogger> Riddell: also neon was running on that server ;)
[11:15] <apachelogger> oh true
[11:15] <ghostcube> i only have a new server at university now
[11:15]  * apachelogger happened to have a home of almost 100G I have been told :P
[11:15] <ghostcube> but only xeon 3 gig
[11:15] <ghostcube> :)
[11:16] <ghostcube> woah i need to set this one up before the new semester starts
[11:16] <ghostcube> outsch
[11:16] <ghostcube> o.o
[11:16] <markey> Hetzner has great prices, and good service
[11:16] <markey> really recommendable
[11:16] <ghostcube> yep
[11:16] <apachelogger> ghostcube: FAI :P
[11:16] <ghostcube> :|
[11:17] <apachelogger> ghostcube: \sh always does the sweet talk about FAI
[11:17] <ghostcube> :P
[11:18] <amichair> markey: how much does a box like that go for nowadays?
[11:18]  * apachelogger guesses 3 bucks per year :P
[11:18] <markey> well
[11:18] <markey> sec
[11:19] <markey> amichair: http://www.hetzner.de/en/hosting/produkte_rootserver/eq6/
[11:19] <markey> can't complain about that :)
[11:20] <amichair> nice
[11:20] <ghostcube> apachelogger: :O deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/fai/ubuntu karmic main
[11:20] <ghostcube> havent known that there are ubuntu packages
[11:20] <apachelogger> hence I mentioned that \sh is quite the FAI obsessee :P
[11:21] <ghostcube> :D
[11:21] <amichair> markey: how much bandwidth does the server use on average?
[11:21] <ghostcube> apachelogger: 40 per month or ?
[11:22] <Sput> yeah he keeps spamming twitter with it :)
[11:22] <ghostcube> wow 60 a month is hard
[11:22] <ghostcube> :D
[11:22] <ghostcube> so i stay with my xeon for =€
[11:22] <ghostcube> so i stay with my xeon for 0€
[11:22] <ghostcube> woha vamopire smily
[11:22] <ghostcube> =€
[11:22] <ghostcube> cool
[11:22] <ghostcube> :D
[11:22] <markey> amichair: ours currently? I don't have exact stats, but I heard something about 500 Gigs
[11:22] <markey> hm
[11:23] <markey> is that realistic?
[11:23] <markey> our admin knows better
[11:23] <amichair> well that site says 92 GBit bandwidth
[11:23] <markey> b/w is 100Mbit
[11:23] <amichair> cap, not speed
[11:23] <amichair> (at least that's how I understand it)
[11:24] <markey> traffic limited to 2TB, but you can buy more if you over that
[11:24] <amichair> oh I see
[11:24] <amichair> cool
[11:24] <markey> dunno really, but, the pipe is huge
[11:24] <markey> our (dual-core) server survived a Slashdot/Digg frontpage once
[11:24] <markey> at the same time
[11:24] <markey> and stayed alive :)
[11:24] <markey> so, it is pretty decent
[11:24] <amichair> markey: what more can u ask for? :-)
[11:26] <amichair> Riddell: a few more software-properties fixes waiting in the branch. I think we're fresh out of sp-kde specific bugs :-)
[11:27] <amichair> well, at least until someone starts using the new version :-P
[11:27] <ghostcube> 100 mbit pipe over 500 tb you get 10 mbit pipes markey as i read it correct in CT
[11:27] <markey> yeah, something like that
[11:27] <ghostcube> hier mal ein buchtip für alle german fähigen
[11:27] <ghostcube> marc-uwe kling Die Känguruh Chroniken
[11:27] <Riddell> amichair: great
[11:27] <ghostcube> ich hab mich selten so weggeschmissen
[11:36] <amichair> so I hear there's gonna be a new splash system used? so no point trying to fix the current broken splashes in lucid alpha?
[11:41] <Riddell> amichair: yes (as far as I can make out, I've not investigated it much yet)
[11:42] <Riddell> amichair: there's a thread about plymouth on the kubuntu-devel mailing list with a link to the upstream bug for it
[11:43] <amichair> can't wait to see how it'll look :-)
[11:50] <ofirk> I finally finished the first draft of the feature tour for the new kubuntu website
[11:50] <ofirk> http://www.violetech.org/feature-tour-main-page-draft-1.png
[11:50] <ofirk> What do you think?
[11:54] <amichair> ofirk: looks awesome
[11:55] <amichair> ofirk: is there still a planned slideshow image? that can reduce the screenshot clutter, and at the same time show larger images
[11:55] <ghostcube> ofirk: looks cool
[11:58] <jussi01> nice
[11:58] <ofirk> amichair: there will be screenshot slideshow at the homepage
[12:00] <amichair> ofirk: cool
[12:00] <ofirk> I almost forgot..
[12:01] <ofirk> there is another draft:
[12:01] <ofirk> http://www.violetech.org/feature-tour-main-page-draft-2.png
[12:01] <ofirk> the diffrence is less screenshots in the upper part
[12:03] <Riddell> ofirk: ooh, shiny!
[12:03] <amichair> ofirk: do u know if there will also be an actual (large size) screenshots section?
[12:03] <Riddell> amichair: that's stuck on security :(
[12:04] <Riddell> the drupal module didn't pass kees's security review
[12:04] <Riddell> someone who knows PHP and drupal needs to fix it up
[12:04] <ghostcube> use joomla o.o
[12:04] <ghostcube> or typo3
[12:04] <ghostcube> isntead of drup
[12:05] <amichair> was ofirk the one with experience in that, or someone else asking about timelord?
[12:05] <amichair> btw what did happen to all those other timelord inquirers? how's our retention rate?
[12:06] <ofirk> Which one is better?
[12:07] <amichair> ofirk: to me, one looks too much, and the other too little. maybe the second with larger sizes? the tiny ones really are tiny :-)
[12:08] <ofirk> amichair: ok, thanks
[12:08] <Riddell> amichair: poor but in general people who say "I want to help" often don't hang around compared to people who say "this annoys me, I'm going to look into it"
[12:09]  * amichair sees a finger pointing at him
[12:09] <amichair> :-)
[12:11] <ghostcube> cool i must more often step into classroom
[12:11] <ghostcube> need to learn more about packaging
[12:11] <ghostcube> :)
[12:13] <Riddell> amichair: oh not at all, you're a bit of an exception there :)
[12:13] <amichair> Riddell: that's a problem. I'm going to look into it.
[12:14] <amichair> so maybe instead of pointing ppl at general triaging etc, we should first ask which aspects/apps they use most or would like to see improved etc., and use that as an entry point (even to triaging)
[12:24] <Riddell> markey: amarok needs qtscript from http://code.google.com/p/qtscriptgenerator/ ?  from qt 4.6 isn't good enough?
[12:27] <apachelogger> Riddell: isnt qtscriptgenerator creating more bindings than basic qtscript ships?
[12:27] <apachelogger> phonon for example
[12:27] <Riddell> yes I mean qtscriptgenerator
[12:28] <Riddell> I'm getting
[12:28] <Riddell> markey: amarok needs qtscript from http://code.google.com/p/qtscriptgenerator/ ?  from qt 4.6 isn't good enough?-- The following REQUIRED packages could NOT be located on your system.
[12:28] <Riddell> ?
[12:28] <Riddell> "-- The following REQUIRED packages could NOT be located on your system. * qtscript-qt  <http://code.google.com/p/qtscriptgenerator/>"
[12:28] <Riddell> is what I'm geetting
[12:28] <Riddell> when compiling amarok
[12:28] <apachelogger> oh
[12:32] <Riddell> but qtscriptgenerator won't compile http://paste.ubuntu.com/341123/
[12:36] <Riddell> hmm http://paste.ubuntu.com/341126/
[12:36] <Riddell> buildingtest segfaults
[12:36] <Riddell> that could explain it
[12:39] <Riddell> yep, qt script is broken in lucid, waa
[12:47] <Riddell> wibble http://paste.ubuntu.com/341137/
[12:50] <Tm_T> Riddell: not to mention that atleast at some point qtscriptgenerator check in amarok required dbus session running, caused issues with my scripts (:
[12:51] <Riddell> hum
[12:55] <Tm_T> Riddell: and cmake output doesn't mention this, ofcourse, I ran manually the check to find out this
[12:56] <Tm_T> oh and current amarok fails to build with intrepid mysql...
[12:56] <Tm_T> well, mysqle collection part atleast
[12:56] <Tm_T> but that's mysql package issue, I suppose
[13:00] <amichair> is the 'find best server' feature in software-properties working well for everyone? and the rest of sp?
[13:06] <ScottK> Riddell: Thanks (qimageblitz). libattica misbuilt on armel (due to Qt4 BIC change) was the cause of the latest -runtime failure.  We've got ~75 minutes to find out how much farther it gets now.
[13:06] <Riddell> Tm_T: you're right, works ok in a full VM
[13:07] <Tm_T> Riddell: nasty, isn't it
[13:13] <Riddell> ScottK: kdegraphics uploaded now
[13:13] <Riddell> to ppa
[13:14] <ScottK> Riddell: Cool.  kdenetwork has an identical build failure, btw.
[13:17] <ScottK> Riddell: workspace looks like another qreal problem.  Still no NCommander.
[13:18] <ScottK> sebas: Any chance you could look at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace/4:4.3.80-0ubuntu2/+build/1393520/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-lucid-armel.kdebase-workspace_4:4.3.80-0ubuntu2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[13:18] <glatzor> Riddell, PolicyKit-1 is implemented in the current kdebase?
[13:18] <sebas> ScottK: sure, somewhen in the next hours most likely
[13:19] <Riddell> glatzor: no but there's a separate package in kdereview which JontheEchidna packaged yesterday
[13:20] <Sput> sebas: btw, do you need a bug for the wrong trayicon being shown if one has a GSM device that's offline?
[13:20] <JontheEchidna> yeah, I have all the kde pieces, but I need something KDE that actually uses polkit-1
[13:20] <JontheEchidna> (good morning, by the way)
[13:20] <sebas> Sput: yes, please. Might get lost otherwise
[13:20] <Riddell> phew, amarok finally building
[13:20] <Sput> sebas: ok, will file today or tomorrow then :)
[13:21] <sebas> Sput: sweet, thanks
[13:21]  * Sput needs to finish his presentation and shouldn't lurk around IRC -.-
[13:21] <sebas> I've pretty much reserved hacking time over christmas / new year for KDE bugs
[13:21] <Sput> nice :)
[13:21] <Sput> all in all the plasmoid is working well for me
[13:21] <sebas> nice :)
[13:24] <JontheEchidna> https://launchpad.net/~echidnaman/+archive/ppa/?field.series_filter=lucid <- for those interested in polkit-qt/kde-1 stuff
[13:36] <jussi01> now that Riddell is back, are we going to have a meetign?
[13:36] <ScottK> We should.
[13:36] <JontheEchidna> meh, kde4libs w/ polkit-1 ftbfs linking libkdecore
[13:37] <Riddell> jussi01: feel free to do the dooble scheduling thing
[13:37] <JontheEchidna> and I found my error in several pastebins on the internet so it's probably just me
[13:37] <JontheEchidna> It would be nice if I had found anything other than pastebin posts with the error :/
[13:44] <jussi01> Riddell: ScottK is there an agenda somewhere?
[13:47] <ScottK> jussi01: The usual place (whereever that is).  We need to get KC to approve our specs, I know.
[13:47] <jussi01> hrr
[13:48] <jussi01> ScottK: thats what I was asking :D where is "the usual place" :D
[13:48] <ScottK> Wiki somewhere is all I know.
[13:51] <jussi01> oh, found it: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Meetings
[13:51] <jussi01> :)
[13:52] <Tm_T> ehm, where was the patch for kopete-facebook plugin to fix crash on quit?
[14:07] <Riddell> jussi01: you can delete the old items on the agenda page
[14:08] <jussi01> just send the doodle to the kubuntu devel list?
[14:10] <Riddell> yep
[14:22] <jussi01> Riddell: done.
[14:23]  * txwikinger presumes the times are UTC
[14:24] <Riddell> you can set the timezone
[14:24] <txwikinger> I can?
[14:24] <jussi01> nah, its borked iirc
[14:29] <txwikinger> Well.. if it uses timezones, it is vey odd :)
[14:31]  * txwikinger thinks he needs to sue facebook
[14:32] <al> should be interesting
[14:33] <al> is there by chance a test suite i could run to measure my kde performance (whatever that is in particular)?
[14:35] <ScottK> al: Not that I know of, but it depends a lot on what you mean by performance.
[14:36] <al> when i switch from quassel to thunderbird it takes forever to fully render
[14:36] <al> when i click a link in akregator, it takes forever for the browser tab to appear
[14:36] <al> stuff like that
[14:37] <al> i installed a gentoo flavor on the same machine, trying to stick as close to the kubuntu setup it replaced and things felt a lot faster there
[14:37] <al> so, obviously i can't put my finger at what the issue really is, which is why i'm looking for some diagnostic tools
[14:37] <ScottK> al: I'm not sure, but I think you've hit on a good area for investigation.
[14:38] <ScottK> Sounds like something like a runtime equivalent of bootchart would be useful.
[14:39] <al> yea, that'd be perfect
[14:40] <ScottK> al: How about http://oprofile.sourceforge.net/examples/
[14:41] <ScottK> Seems at least in the ballpark.
[14:42] <ScottK> al: It's also packaged.
[14:43] <redhammer> good morning, or whatever time of day it is where you are
[14:44] <redhammer> my kvm must be broken.  kubuntu lucid will not boot and has not since before alpha 1
[14:44] <redhammer> using the following command    kvm -cdrom lucid-desktop-amd64.iso -m 2048
[14:44] <redhammer> using kvm in hardy 64bit
[14:46] <Riddell> redhammer: that doesn't sound like a problem with KDE, we only do KDE here
[14:46] <redhammer> ty
[14:52] <al> ScottK: i had hoped for a more standardized approach (read: less work for me)
[14:52] <ScottK> al: I understand.  This is an area I know needs work and has been on my TODO for about 9 months now.  Sorry I don't have a better answer.  Maybe someone else will.
[14:54] <seele> what time zone is that kubuntu meeting being scheduled in?
[14:54] <seele> UTC?
[14:59] <txwikinger> al: Do you test kubuntu and gentoo for the same amount of time?
[15:02] <al> txwikinger: sorry, i don't get the question
[15:03] <txwikinger> well.. how long has your KDE instance run when you compare the times of switch
[15:03] <Riddell> seele: I'd assume UTC
[15:03] <txwikinger> Riddell: I have entered my info as UTC
[15:04] <al> txwikinger: oh, yea, same amount of time
[15:05] <al> i didn't set it up for testing purposes, it's my main workstation
[15:07] <al> but if i'm going to oprofile it i'll try to think of a somewhat reproducible and comparable test scenario
[15:19] <Lex79> Riddell: can you upload koffice from bzr when you have time? thanks
[15:21] <freeflying> just wondering will we replace OOo with koffice in lucid?
[15:21] <maco> dont think so
[15:22] <freeflying> any concerns?
[15:24] <Riddell> Lex79: to lucid?
[15:24] <Lex79> yes
[15:24] <Riddell> freeflying: it's not ready, we may not even include it in main
[15:24] <Lex79> we need some MIR also
[15:24] <freeflying> Riddell: got it, thanks
[15:29] <jussi01> Riddell: txwikinger Nightrose, I added that the times are in utc to the description.
[15:30] <Nightrose> jussi01: next time just allow timezone support ;-)
[15:30] <Nightrose> that makes it a lot easier for everyone
[15:30] <Nightrose> and also makes it show up right in my imported calendar
[15:31] <jussi01> Nightrose: timezone support is broken
[15:31] <Nightrose> how so?
[15:32] <jussi01> it doesnt allow you to use it...
[15:32] <Nightrose> Oo
[15:32] <Nightrose> it worked well last i used it
[15:32] <jussi01>  been broken for a while iirc.
[15:32] <Nightrose> hmmmm
[15:32] <jussi01> yeah, lets you enable it, but when you go to click next it gives errors.
[15:32] <Nightrose> mpfh
[15:32] <Nightrose> ok
[15:32] <jussi01> I did try to use it first up...
[15:33] <Nightrose> k
[15:33] <ScottK> What's the link for the doodle poll?
[15:33] <Nightrose> ScottK: devel list
[15:33] <Nightrose> sorry can't copy here
[15:34] <Nightrose> email is on the other pc
[15:34] <ScottK> OK.  thanks.
[15:34]  * ScottK has the same problem.  Webmail it is.
[15:36] <ScottK> sebas: I'd appreciate it if you'd add http://launchpadlibrarian.net/36774143/buildlog_ubuntu-lucid-armel.kdebase-runtime_4%3A4.3.80-0ubuntu5_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz to your list.
[15:42] <al> http://www.doodle.com/2u4q56pf7e3nxg3a jic
[15:50] <Riddell> ScottK: http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/tmp/kdegraphics-arm
[15:50] <Riddell> close!
[15:52] <ScottK> Riddell: Very close.  Looks like the qimageblitz rebuild is definitely needed.
[15:52] <Riddell> ScottK: I'll throw that up into lucid
[15:52] <ScottK> Riddell: Excellent.
[15:55] <Riddell> ScottK: dunno why okular poppler doesn't get compiled though
[15:56] <ScottK> Riddell: Agreed.  That's odd.
[15:57] <Riddell> ScottK: nothing obvious in the buildlog, hard to look more without access to a machine to hand build on
[15:57] <Riddell> maybe we should just upload kdegraphics without okular poppler for now
[16:42] <JontheEchidna> sweet: http://imagebin.ca/view/PAJ6LvV.html
[16:43] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Nice.
[16:43] <ScottK> Riddell: I think one can have arch specific install files.
[16:44] <Riddell> ScottK: yes I uploaded to the PPA with that
[16:44] <ScottK> Ah.  OK.
[16:44] <Riddell> ScottK: upstream has no ideas without having access to the build files either
[16:45] <Riddell> ScottK: looks like the kdebase-workspace issue is already fixed in svn, I'll nab that
[16:45] <ScottK> Riddell: Cool.  So sebas can take the one off his list (just runtime now, IIRC).
[16:45] <JontheEchidna> software-center actually works with polkit-kde-1 too
[16:45] <Riddell> jussi01: awooga
[16:47] <Riddell> ScottK: the kdebase-runtime one is the same issue in the same file (seems to be a copied file)
[16:47] <Riddell> sebas.stack().pop()
[16:47] <ScottK> Riddell: Ooh.  Even better.  Code reuse FTW.
[16:47] <ScottK> Riddell: Is runtime fixed upstream?
[16:47] <Riddell> yes
[16:48] <ScottK> Nice.
[16:48] <ScottK> nixternal: Is there a reason you didn't upload your kdeedu improvements?
[16:49] <Daskreech> Does anyone have a Lynx live Cd ?
[16:52] <EagleScreen> there usually isn't live CD until Alpha2 or Alpha3
[16:52] <Riddell> alpha 1 has a live CD, see kubuntu.org
[16:52]  * Daskreech ponders how people are responding to his bug report then
[16:54] <jussi01> Riddell: can you tell me precisely what I am to do with a comment like awooga? is it same as ping?
[16:55] <jussi01> :D
[16:59] <Riddell> jussi01: no it means "oh good"
[17:00] <Riddell> and it was intended for JontheEchidna
[17:00] <jussi01> Riddell: heh
[17:00] <JontheEchidna> ;-)
[17:00] <jussi01> ok then... :(
[17:00] <Riddell> seems my tab completion isn't working well today
[17:00] <Riddell> jussi01: but awooga to you for applying for membership :)
[17:00] <jussi01> :)
[17:01] <jussi01> Riddell: I hope Im doing it right, I have ubuntu membership, but want kubuntu membership.
[17:01] <Riddell> yes you are
[17:01] <jussi01> great :)
[17:52] <markey> apachelogger: ping
[18:26] <Riddell> gah, amarok doesn't compile in a buildd, it probably needs X and dbus running for that qtscript test
[18:28] <Tm_T> Riddell: I wonder if one can just force the check being skipped and set found
[18:28] <Riddell> that's what I'm thinking
[18:40] <Quintasan> sup?
[18:40] <Quintasan> google cal sync is working for anyone?
[18:41] <nixternal> ScottK: yeah, because I couldn't test build them...I don't do blind uploads
[18:42] <ulysses__> Quintasan: I found this on identi.ca: http://identi.ca/notice/16733737
[18:42] <ScottK> nixternal: How about now?
[18:42] <nixternal> phonon stuff was causing htem not to build
[18:42] <nixternal> haven't tried
[18:42] <nixternal> I will try it now
[18:42] <Quintasan> ulysses__: I did this, doesn't work for Calendar
[18:43] <Quintasan> Contacts are synced but no things from calendar
[18:52] <Quintasan> ulysses__: oh well, it works but only for my default calendar :S
[18:54] <Riddell> ScottK: grump http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/tmp/kdegraphics-arm
[18:56] <ScottK> Riddell: Progress?
[18:56] <Riddell> not much
[18:57] <Riddell> okular does seem to be compling to some extent
[18:58] <ScottK> I guess the in archive retry I did doesn't have much hope.
[18:59] <Riddell> oh that's pdf so that's the same problem
[18:59] <Riddell> I'll try again with that file removed
[19:16] <cragdor> Hi All, if i wanted to create a VM to start developing/compiling kde, is there a setup guide/ version of kubuntu i can install on the vm
[19:27] <yuriy> cragdor: there isn't a version specifically for development. the kde-devel package should get you most of what you need. see techbase.kde.org for guides.
[19:43] <nixternal> ScottK: what do you think about an MIR for xplanet? this way here we can build kdeedu (kstars) completely?
[19:43] <nixternal> Riddell: ^^
[19:43] <ScottK> nixternal: I'd say worth asking (filling it out).
[19:44] <nixternal> that is the only dep that kdeedu is missing from being complete, well that and the experimental python crap
[19:50] <r4v3nsw0rd> this is the place for kubuntu 10.04, correct?
[19:53] <r4v3nsw0rd> well, I guess I'll just ask my question then, is there a fix out for the kickoff application launcher such that when I type in a search term that it will auto select the most relevant result?
[19:56] <Daskreech> r4v3nsw0rd: for 4.4 it should do that from the runners
[19:57] <Riddell> nixternal: what does xplanet do for kstars?
[19:57] <r4v3nsw0rd> sorry, 4.4 of what Daskreech?
[19:58] <Daskreech> KDE SC
[20:01] <r4v3nsw0rd> ah, oops, found my problem, forgot to update after the upgrade, k, thanks
[20:16] <ofirk> when KDE4.4 SC beta 1 packages will be available?
[20:17] <ofirk> I mean for karmic
[20:17]  * ghostcube listens 
[20:37] <ScottK> When they're ready
[20:37]  * ScottK doesn't recall who was working on them.
[20:40] <r4v3nsw0rd_> Daskreech: I've updated, but it still occurs, how to I install KDE SC 4.4?
[20:44] <nixternal> ScottK: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MainInclusionReportXplanet  <- quick review please
[20:45] <nixternal> Riddell: it adds the ability to render the xplanet data...we are the only distro not providing this ability
[20:46] <ScottK> nixternal: One small edit and it looks good.
[20:46] <nixternal> did you edit it?
[20:46] <ScottK> nixternal: You know about the bug filing part of this, right?
[20:46] <ScottK> I did
[20:46] <ScottK> It's still saving
[20:46] <ScottK> Now it's done
[20:47] <nixternal> ScottK: bug is filed, just haven't subscribed mir yet
[20:47] <nixternal> whoa dude, it just automatically updated in my browser after your change
[20:47] <ScottK> Interesting, perhaps scary
[20:47] <ScottK> nixternal: I'd say go for it.
[20:48] <apachelogger> jussi01: I just spent 5 minutes clicking on doodle :P
[20:49] <nixternal> ScottK: do I add the stuff to the seeds now or wait?
[20:50] <ScottK> nixternal: Wait for it to be approved.
[20:50] <nixternal> been a long time since my last MIR
[20:50] <nixternal> ok, just making sure
[20:50] <nixternal> looks like dapper was my last MIR
[20:50] <ScottK> nixternal: Once it's approved, you just add it as a build-dep, you don't directly seed it.
[20:50] <ScottK> That is a while.
[20:50] <jussi01> apachelogger: is everybody done as far as you can see? can I "decide" a time now?
[20:50] <nixternal> kdeedu test building now
[20:53] <apachelogger> jussi01: JontheEchidna did not
[20:54] <JontheEchidna> doodle? Totally slipped my mind
[20:54] <JontheEchidna> wow, that's a lot of times to choose from
[20:55] <ScottK> Riddell: I think I figured it out.  poppler was built against the beta Qt4: libqt4-xml (4:4.6.0~beta1-1ubuntu1)
[20:55]  * ScottK rebuilds
[20:58] <Riddell> ScottK: hum.  need me to throw anything at the PPA?
[20:58]  * Riddell building kdevelop beta 7
[20:58] <ScottK> Riddell: No.  We know it should be rebuilt, so I'll just retry in the archive after this builds.
[21:05] <Sput> sebas: kde bug 218706 :)
[21:07] <Daskreech> ofirk: Possible you may just get B2
[21:07] <Sput> sebas: one more thing, I have one or two device entries containing "No such interface org.kde.networkma..." in the device list as well, is that known or something I should report as well?
[21:07] <r4v3nsw0rd_> in 10.04, when I type in a search term, is there a way so that it will auto select the most relevant result?
[21:07] <ofirk> Daskreech: that's fine too
[21:07] <Daskreech> r4v3nsw0rd_: if you are on Lynx then you have KDE SC 4.4 b1 already
[21:08] <ofirk> I just so anxious to use it
[21:08] <r4v3nsw0rd_> ok
[21:08] <r4v3nsw0rd_> it's still not working though
[21:09] <Daskreech> ScottK: Is there a buildmatrix anywhere ?
[21:09] <ScottK> Daskreech: For?
[21:09] <Daskreech> r4v3nsw0rd_: does it work for Krunner?
[21:10] <ScottK> Daskreech: We have https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/DependencyGraph
[21:10] <Daskreech> ScottK: well we are finding out what was built against what to find the beta qt packages
[21:10] <r4v3nsw0rd_> yes, it works for krunner
[21:10] <ScottK> Daskreech: Right.  Here's the answer I goe when I asked wgrant:
[21:10] <Daskreech> Seems that we should be able to simply pull up the cases of packages which were built against that
[21:11] <ScottK> ScottK: I think you'd have to grab all the build logs from the librarian, or work out when exactly it was in the archive (easy), take the intersection of packages that build-depend on it (presumably easy), and search for all build records for those packages to see if the latest one was during the broken period (not so easy, but quite doable).
[21:15] <Daskreech> Sounds scriptable actually
[21:18] <ofirk> did you see the new drafts of the feature tour for the new website?
[21:18] <ofirk> http://www.violetech.org/feature-tour-main-page-draft-1.png
[21:19] <ScottK> Daskreech: It is.  It needs someone to script it.
[21:19] <ofirk> I really need some feedback
[21:20] <ScottK> ofirk: ryanakca is probably the first one to get feedback from.
[21:21] <ScottK> I like it.
[21:21] <ofirk> I already talked to him, but I want more opinions
[21:21] <ofirk> ScottK: which one of them?
[21:22]  * ScottK only saw one
[21:23] <ofirk> there are 4:
[21:23] <ofirk> http://www.violetech.org/feature-tour-main-page-draft-1.png
[21:23] <ofirk> http://www.violetech.org/feature-tour-main-page-draft-1.png
[21:23] <ofirk> * http://www.violetech.org/feature-tour-main-page-draft2.png
[21:23] <ofirk> http://www.violetech.org/feature-tour-main-page-draft-2.png
[21:23] <ofirk> http://www.violetech.org/feature-tour-main-page-draft-3.png
[21:23] <ofirk> http://www.violetech.org/feature-tour-main-page-draft-4.png
[21:24] <amichair> ofirk: nice! I like #3
[21:25] <ScottK> ofirk: I like 3 too, but I think they're all good.
[21:26] <ofirk> The feature tour will cover the 5 most popular apps which will come with 10.04
[21:27] <ofirk> I need some opinion about which 5 to choose
[21:27] <ofirk> amarok? Openoffice? firefox?
[21:28] <ScottK> It should be KDE apps that we focus on.
[21:30] <ofirk> so what are they?
[21:30] <ofirk> dolphin?
[21:30] <ScottK> Not sure.  For me Konsole would be on the list, but not for most users.
[21:31] <ScottK> Kontact
[21:31] <JontheEchidna> maybe a feature tour for developers wouldn't be such a bad idea either?
[21:31] <nixternal> grrr
[21:32] <JontheEchidna> oh hai there
[21:32] <nixternal> stupid kdeedu
[21:32] <ScottK> poppler uploaded.
[21:33] <nixternal> argh!
[21:33] <JontheEchidna> nixternal: btw, good news. sandsmark finished his Phonon patch and lex has Qt with the patch in -ninjas ready for the next KDE SC beta release
[21:33] <Riddell> yay
[21:34] <nixternal> well...in pbuilder the phonon error doesn't happen anymore, but if i debuild -nc I get the error
[21:34] <nixternal> oh I hate this package
[21:34] <ofirk> Maybe amarok, dolphin, k3b, kdenlive, gwenview and kaffine?
[21:35] <ScottK> ofirk: kdenlive is not in our default install, so probably not that.  The others are good.
[21:35] <ScottK> I would have our mail client in there (kontact)
[21:36] <ofirk> is it not kmail?
[21:36]  * JontheEchidna goes about re-enabling the phonon kcm in -runtime
[21:36] <ofirk> (I don't use it so I really don't know)
[21:37] <ScottK> ofirk: kmail is part of kontact.
[21:37] <JontheEchidna> ofirk: kontact is a shell for all the KDE pim apps: kmail, korg, akregator etc
[21:38] <ofirk> hmmm... ok
[21:38] <Daskreech> ofirk: Must it be apps which ship with the CD ?
[21:39] <JontheEchidna> btw, polkit-kde-1 in revu: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?upid=7195 (needs polkit-qt-1 from new queue)
[21:39] <ofirk> So how I can present it to the average user in a 4-5 sentences?
[21:39] <Lex79> JontheEchidna: when you have finished, upload it to ninja for testing
[21:39] <JontheEchidna> I basically took the packaging for when policykit-kde was standalone and made it more polkit-1-ish
[21:39] <Lex79> I mean -runtime
[21:39] <ofirk> I mean, what the kde-pim suit can do and for it used...
[21:39] <JontheEchidna> Lex79: right
[21:40] <Lex79> JontheEchidna: should we rebuild others KDE core packages ?
[21:40] <ofirk> Again, I am asking because I don't use it
[21:40] <amichair> ofirk: is the idea to do 1 page for each of the top 5 apps or something like that? why not have more apps, with a screenshot and paragraph each? (I'm asking coz I have no idea what the purpose is :-) )
[21:40] <Daskreech> ofirk: I like Draft 2 btw
[21:40] <JontheEchidna> ofirk: It can do email, todo, address organization, RSS feeds
[21:40] <JontheEchidna> probably more stuff, but I only use kmail myself ;-)
[21:40] <JontheEchidna> Lex79: it probably can wait until 4.4 beta2
[21:41] <Daskreech> ScottK: It must ship with the Cd ?
[21:41] <Daskreech> I would think that having one that's not there would be a good thing
[21:41] <ofirk> amichair: the idea is to make 1 page for 5-6 important apps
[21:41] <ofirk> I can do multiply pages
[21:41] <Daskreech> Something like Digikam that would be useful to a large number of people but isn't shipped by default
[21:41] <ofirk> amichair: Actually, it sounds better
[21:42] <ScottK> Daskreech: I think so.  For the main page.
[21:42] <amichair> Daskreech: I find that a bit wierd... it sounds a bit off if one of the top 5 apps marketed as a distro's features is not actually included in it by default...
[21:42] <amichair> ofirk: what sounds better?
[21:42] <ScottK> It'd also be good to have a separate section for 'other stuff not in the default install'
[21:42] <Lex79> JontheEchidna: yes, I meant if there are others kde core packages which needs Qt with patch for building, or just -runtime?
[21:42] <ofirk> amichair: to make different pages for different apps
[21:43] <Daskreech> amichair: Why ? ONe of the biggest selling points of Debian is NOT what it ships with. It's what is available
[21:43] <amichair> ofirk: how about different pages for different categories, and each category showing a handful of apps?
[21:43] <ofirk> amichair: maybe different pages for different tasks like internet browsing, email, music, video etc
[21:43] <Daskreech> amichair: Still needs a top 5
[21:43] <ofirk> amichair: I write slow...
[21:43] <JontheEchidna> Lex79: I think all of the other ones didn't have any trouble, only -runtime was failing without patching it
[21:43] <Lex79> ok
[21:44] <JontheEchidna> I thought kdeedu was too, but nixternal says it's building fine
[21:44] <JontheEchidna> well, it does FTBFS
[21:44] <JontheEchidna> but not phonon's fault this time :P
[21:45] <ofirk> amichair: games are bundled with kubuntu?
[21:45] <Lex79> it's strange that kdemultimedia doesn't need new phonon
[21:45] <ScottK> ofirk: On kubuntu-netbook they are.
[21:45] <ofirk> so it will be ok to put them in the feature tour
[21:45] <JontheEchidna> Lex79: The only thing that was really missing was the new GlobalConfig class, which only the config module needs
[21:45] <JontheEchidna> the other stuff the phonon-backends use
[21:46] <Lex79> oh I see
[21:48] <ofirk> BTW, I need help with writing texts for the feature tour (in English)
[21:48] <ofirk> or at least help with making it proof-reading
[21:48] <ofirk> *them
[21:49] <Daskreech> ofirk: Write it an put it up. Someone will review it.
[21:49] <Daskreech> Probably throw it into the topic here so anyone coming through can give input
[21:50] <ofirk> Daskreech: the texts in http://www.violetech.org/feature-tour-main-page-draft-3.png are fine?
[21:51] <ScottK> ofirk: nixternal volunteered to work on feature tour, IIRC.
[21:51] <amichair> ofirk: maybe 'our artists come up with...' should be 'came up with'?
[21:51] <ofirk> amichair: fixed. thanks!
[21:51] <sebas> Sput: that last one is on my radar, no need to file a bug
[21:52] <Sput> sebas: ok.
[21:52] <sebas> I'm getting it as well, so it's quite obvious (didn't find the cause yet, seems to be "crap on the bus")
[21:52] <ofirk> ScottK: I know, but he is busy and I have a tight schedule
[21:52] <amichair> ofirk: what are "regular enterprise releases"?
[21:52] <ScottK> amichair: LTS every two years.
[21:52] <ofirk> amichair:  LTSs
[21:53] <amichair> oh, didn't know they're called 'enterprise releases' :-)
[21:54] <ScottK> They aren't officially, but it's a good term for them.
[21:55] <Daskreech> ofirk: Other than my Peeve of Office being a category I don't have a problem with it
[21:56] <Daskreech> And it's not strictly true we have no licenses
[22:02] <amichair> maybe 'license fees' works?
[22:02] <jussi01> ok, Im off to bed, can someone look at doodle and make a meeting time.
[22:03] <ofirk> license fees sounds more accurate
[22:11] <amichair> ofirk: the 'the' should be 'The'
[22:12] <ofirk> amichair: I know, but the 'ubuntu logo' font doesn't have upper case letters
[22:13] <ofirk> amichair: I might make the letter T myself
[22:14] <amichair> ofirk: oh. never would have guessed it.
[22:14] <nixternal> this is weird... debuild -nc on a lucid box bombs on the phonon crap, but in pbuilder-lucid it doesn't....trying to figure out this r-base-core dependency for cantor
[22:14] <nixternal> or whatever it is called
[22:24] <Riddell> Lex79: what's the status of beta 1 in karmic and what can I do to help?
[22:29] <ScottK> Riddell: Ouch on runtime.  Do we need sebas after all?
[22:31] <sebas> ScottK: so which one remains?
[22:31] <ScottK> sebas: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-runtime/4:4.3.80-0ubuntu7/+build/1396131/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-lucid-armel.kdebase-runtime_4:4.3.80-0ubuntu7_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[22:32] <verbalshadow> i like http://blog.chatonka.com/2009/12/timevault-progress-update/
[22:32] <sebas> ScottK: alright, thanks :)
[22:32] <verbalshadow> oops wrong channel
[22:32] <verbalshadow> sorry
[22:36] <Riddell> ScottK: looks like our patch still isn't complete
[22:37] <sebas> ScottK: Hm,do you have that source file handy, it seems to have moved around in trunk, and it's hard to find the right place (also might already be fixed in trunk, but definitely not on the lines the compiler complains about)
[22:37] <Riddell> sebas: it's oxygen.cpp, there's already a fix in svn
[22:38] <ScottK> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archive/primary/+files/kdebase-runtime_4.3.80.orig.tar.gz (without our patches)
[22:38] <sebas> it's the usual qreal vs. double, just popping in a qreal cast before the double (second argument in line 2962 and 3807) should fix it
[22:39] <ScottK> Riddell: Are you getting that one?
[22:39] <Riddell> ScottK: can do
[22:39] <ScottK> Thanks.
[22:39] <sebas> thanks :)
[22:40] <sebas> 2962: qreal offset( qMin( penThickness, (qreal)(1.0) ) );
[22:41] <sebas> same in 3807
[22:43] <ScottK> Riddell: poppler rebuild just finished on armel, so I'll retry kdegraphics in an hour.
[22:43] <ScottK> sebas: I'd give Riddell a ping when you're done so he doesn't miss one.
[22:44] <sebas> done with?
[22:46] <ScottK> sebas: Looking for more changes.
[22:46]  * ScottK has to run.  Good luck.
[22:47] <sebas> ScottK: I didn't look for changes, those are the two lines that fail to build in oxygen.cpp
[22:47] <ScottK> sebas: Oh.  OK.
[22:47] <sebas> it's actually the same line twice
[22:47] <ScottK> See you later.
[22:47] <ScottK> Ah.
[22:47] <sebas> see you :)
[23:05] <Riddell> Mamarok: I updated libmtp to 1.0.1 in lucid and in beta ppa ready for amarok 2.2.1.90
[23:08] <Lex79> Riddell: for beta1 in karmic I have to reupload kdebase-workspace with some changes which are in lucid and is ready for me
[23:08] <Lex79> I can do that now
[23:09] <Riddell> Lex79: and then it should be ready?  should I test it?
[23:09] <zegenie> Lex79 / Riddell: let me know if there is any way I can help out testing it, too
[23:09] <Lex79> if you want yes, but the packes was tested by some testers already
[23:10] <Lex79> zegenie: I have to reupload kdebase-workspace and when it built you can test from Staging ppa
[23:12] <zegenie> Lex79: sure thing, do you have the launchpad / apt url?
[23:12] <Lex79> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/staging/+packages
[23:22] <Riddell> Lex79: hum http://paste.ubuntu.com/341494/
[23:22] <Riddell> I just packaged kdevplatform
[23:22] <Riddell> wonder which one its ment to be in
[23:23] <Lex79> uhm never seen before
[23:24] <Riddell> well no, I only packaged it a few minutes ago :)
[23:24] <Lex79> ah ok ahaha :)
[23:25] <Lex79> Riddell: did you upload this?? http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kdeplasma-addons/ubuntu/revision/77
[23:25] <Riddell> Lex79: I guess I'll remove it from kdevplatform especially since they'll be sharing a PPA
[23:25] <Lex79> ok
[23:26] <Riddell> Lex79: no, should I?
[23:26] <Riddell> Lex79: this is known? http://paste.ubuntu.com/341496/
[23:26] <Lex79> uhm there is only one fix for "overwriting issue", I asked because you changed UNRELEASED to karmic, sound strange :)
[23:27] <Lex79> yes it fixed in the new version uploaded right now
[23:27] <Riddell> wasnae me, it was JontheEchidna
[23:28] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: that should be lucid?
[23:28] <Lex79> oh, right, JontheEchidna we are working in Lucid now :)
[23:30] <JontheEchidna> what's up?
[23:30] <Riddell> kdeplasma-addons
[23:30] <Riddell> you uploaded to karmic?
[23:31] <Lex79> iirc he can't upload kdeplasma-addons
[23:32] <Lex79> kubuntu-dev policy issue
[23:33] <Riddell> ok I'll do it
[23:35] <JontheEchidna> yeah... it's not in the list of packages I can upload :(
[23:36] <Lex79> Riddell: don't forget koffice tomorrow, since we haven't yet a koffice2 release in lucid
[23:36] <Riddell> Lex79: it's now top of my todo
[23:36] <Lex79> great
[23:38] <nixternal> why is #include <kio/netaccess.h> causing undefined reference to KIO::NetAccess:del...testing now to see if #include <KIO/NetAccess> causes it or not
[23:45] <Lex79> JontheEchidna: news about kdebase-runtime? does it build?
[23:45] <JontheEchidna> nope, the phonon check fails
[23:45] <JontheEchidna> I've pinged sandsmark about the issue
[23:45] <Lex79> noooo :(
[23:46] <Riddell> Lex79: plasma-desktop crashes, which I suppose is consistent with lucid
[23:48] <Lex79> Riddell: it crashes in karmic? my testers doesn't complains about that for now, and in ubuntu-it forum I have about 15 testers
[23:48] <Lex79> I uploaded in staging ppa also kubuntu-default-settings for fix that
[23:49] <Riddell> I don't have plasma-desktop install
[23:49] <Riddell> I don't have plasma-desktop installed
[23:50] <Riddell> the package
[23:50] <Riddell> http://paste.ubuntu.com/341506/ more overwrites?
[23:53] <Lex79> I have to fix that ^ in lucid and in karmic too
[23:55] <Lex79> I'm fixing
[23:58] <Riddell> Lex79: helps if I have plasma-desktop installed, I did a dist-upgrade and it wasn't, maybe we should tell people to reinstall kubuntu-desktop after the dist-upgrade
[23:59] <Lex79> you don't have plasma-desktop because kdebase-workspace doesn't depend on plasma-desktop
[23:59] <Lex79> that bug now is fixed