[00:00] <cwillu_at_work> thought:  making it easier to test packages from proposed releases is a good thing.  ppa's may be useful for this, but I don't think they're the answer of themselves
[00:01] <cwillu_at_work> perhaps something like making use of popularity contest, such that people who have particular packages installed get prompted that "a proposed update is available, did you want to help test it?"
[00:01] <cwillu_at_work> that way the more obscure packages still get exposure, and the users testing them are more aware of their place in the grand scheme of things
[00:05] <cwillu_at_work> a more automated backports system could therefore be useful, although it can only help so much with version dependencies that can't be satisfied without a bunch of other updates
[00:08]  * cwillu_at_work continues whittling away on this computer case
[00:10]  * cwillu_at_work wonders how much of that BUGabundo got
[00:10] <BUGabundo> up to the computer case
[00:11] <BUGabundo> I'm always listening to you, my friend
[00:11] <BUGabundo> even when not on IRC :)
[00:11]  * cwillu_at_work is creeped :p
[00:22]  * cwillu_at_work BUGabundo what's your schedule like over the next week?
[00:22] <cwillu_at_work> see, that's what happens when you type /me instead of /m :p
[00:26] <BUGabundo> eh
[03:46] <emma> In Lucid, in 'the ubuntu software center' under programming, there's an ap there called "DrPython" that is obviously based on DrScheme, but DrScheme is not in the Ubuntu Software Center, why not? Is that a bug?
[04:01] <cwillu_at_work> emma, why is it obvious that it's based on drscheme?
[04:01] <cwillu_at_work> """DrPython is a highly customizable text editor geared towards writing programs in Python quickly and easily. It is written in Python using the wxPython toolkit (which makes use of the Scintilla text control internally)."""
[04:02] <emma> cwillu_at_work: the logo for DrPython is the logo for DrScheme except they have drawn a crude python over the top of it.
[04:02] <cwillu_at_work> copying a logo doesn't mean the application is at all related
[04:02] <cwillu_at_work> other than inspiration or whatever
[04:03] <emma> I think DrScheme should be in there as well.
[04:04] <cwillu_at_work> oh, I see what you mean now;  still not convinced that drpython's inclusion implies that drscheme needs to be included, but it's suggestive
[04:05] <cwillu_at_work> can't hurt to file a bug against the drscheme package
[04:10] <emma> cwillu_at_work: I'm not against python but when I am looking for DrScheme and it has DrPython that feels like a bigger loss than if you just didn't have DrScheme.
[04:25]  * cwillu_at_work notes for the record that drscheme is in synaptic
[04:25] <cwillu_at_work> so it's not a loss so much as a 'it didn't show up where it was expected'
[04:26] <i_is_broke> < should get a book on python...and learn:D
[04:29] <cwillu_at_work> i_is_broke, http://tinyurl.com/thinkcspy
[04:30] <cwillu_at_work> the above is strongly recommended by the #python folks;  you can get it in dead-tree format if you need, but the full text is also available as html and pdf
[04:31] <i_is_broke> cwillu_at_work, ah thanks ill look into it..
[04:31] <cwillu_at_work> #python in general is full of very good advice
[04:32] <i_is_broke> i havent taken a computer course since high school, and thats been over 25 years ago.:(
[04:33] <cwillu_at_work> that's good intro programming material in general; there's also stuff if you're familiar with other languages, but if it's been a long while, probably best to start with the above :)
[04:33] <i_is_broke> yeah the last ive seen in programming was apple 2e and dos. :(
[04:35] <cwillu_at_work> i_is_broke, I'd also strongly recommend that your first couple projects should be modifying existing programs;  you'll gain a better sense of style that way, rather than learning a bunch of bad habits
[04:36] <i_is_broke> cwillu_at_work, i already found that out, when i first came to linux with dos.
[04:37] <i_is_broke> my middle daughter is taking java in college and she is suppose to teach me when she gets threw the course..so im cheating there..lol
[04:37] <cwillu_at_work> well, in all honesty, they don't tend to teach great habits in college :p
[04:39] <i_is_broke> well, one of these days i would love to go back to school and get the degree i should have..been a tech now for over 15 years working with my dad, but mostly on window based computers. so linux and imacs are still new to me.
[04:39] <cwillu_at_work> there's a lot of thing you don't learn without dealing with large code bases, and I don't know how big a project would get;  dealing with an existing project gets you a bunch of free stuff that isn't necessarily part of a comp sci degree: version control, communications, ui design, coding standards, etc
[04:40] <i_is_broke> im not to worried about a title, just the idea, that i went to school took there test and got a piece of paper saying i did it.
[04:41] <i_is_broke> ive learned more by hacking around with these upgrades here lately then my daughter has in a year of school.
[04:42] <cwillu_at_work> well, you _are_ dealing with different topics
[04:43] <cwillu_at_work> computer science isn't about computers
[04:43] <i_is_broke> yeah its weird, you would think it would.
[04:44] <i_is_broke> i get a book from the local c.c. here in town..and have seen that.
[04:44] <i_is_broke> but anyways, this is a little offtopic. sorry.
[04:44] <i_is_broke> ok, where do i look for post on bug reports people are having for lucid?
[04:44] <i_is_broke> launchpad?
[04:44] <RAOF_> Famous quote: computer science isn't about computers in the same way astronomy isn't about telescopes.
[04:45] <RAOF_> i_is_broke: Yup.  Preferably using apport, because that'll fill in a bunch of useful stuff for you.
[04:45] <i_is_broke> well i want to see if anyone else is having the same issue as i am?
[04:46] <RAOF_> Search lauchpad, yes.
[04:46] <RAOF_> That's the Ubuntu bugtracker, so... :)
[04:46] <i_is_broke> and i really need to know how to debug stuff better, so i could be more helpful.
[04:46] <cwillu_at_work> i_is_broke, I usually just ubuntu-bug <package>, and go through the steps;  one of them includes an automatic search for similar bugs which works better than the default launchpad search in my experience :)
[04:47] <RAOF_> You might also want to have a browse of the lucid development forum ( http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=377 ), but that's (a) not a bug tracker, and (b) isn't a developers hangout.
[04:47] <i_is_broke> cwillu_at_work, well im not sure whats doing it? im having an issue with memory usage when booting the computer sometimes. and i cant figure out whats using it, i have even installed atop and it just shows very little memory being used.
[04:48] <cwillu_at_work> how do you know it's an issue with memory usage?
[04:48] <i_is_broke> but gkrellm shows its using almost all of it but 150 meg and it acts like its sluggish.
[04:49] <i_is_broke> hold on ill get on the lucid box and see if i can make it do it again.
[04:49] <cwillu_at_work> you understand the difference between resident/vm/allocated?
[04:49] <cwillu_at_work> and the effects of shared memory?
[04:50] <i_is_broke> to some extent..i know what allocated and vm are and shared memory is like if i was using onboard video.
[04:50] <RAOF_> And the effects of disc cache, which will generally take up whatever memory is not used by applications.
[04:50] <cwillu_at_work> re: shared, that's not what I meant
[04:50] <i_is_broke> ok then please explain?
[04:50] <cwillu_at_work> shared is actually memory is counted against a process's usage, but is actually being shared across multiple processes (i.e, their memory usages will add up to more than your available memory)
[04:51] <i_is_broke> ok
[04:51] <i_is_broke> that i understand, but what is resident?
[04:51] <cwillu_at_work> in memory
[04:52] <cwillu_at_work> as opposed to on disk or allocated but untouched (and therefore not really allocated :p)
[04:52] <i_is_broke> ? on disk, wouldnt that be swap? and untouched wouldnt that be free?
[04:53] <cwillu_at_work> no
[04:54] <i_is_broke> this is my issue, i have a dual p3 866 with 512 ram, and sometimes when i boot i get 150 meg of free ram. which makes the computer really doggish..but if i reboot i usually get 390 megs of free ram. (i use lxde or xfce).
[04:55] <i_is_broke> but it does the same in kde and gnome as well.
[04:55] <i_is_broke> ive checked them all.
[04:55] <cwillu_at_work> s/which makes the/and the/
[04:56] <cwillu_at_work> when its doggish, check in top if anything is using >95% cpu, and/or the system reports a significant percentage of %wa (time stuck doing io)
[04:57] <cwillu_at_work> not sure if atop shows that data, might have to use plain top
[04:57] <i_is_broke> ok will check if i can get it to do it again..it dont do it all the time..
[04:57] <cwillu_at_work> do you have multiple partitions on the drive?
[04:57] <RAOF_> Having a different amount of ram free isn't going to make your system faster or slower; it's only going to be a problem if you run out of ram and start hitting the swap.  Then it'll thrash, and the system will basically die.
[04:57] <i_is_broke> yeah i just rebooted it and it came back up with 358 meg of free memory.
[04:58] <i_is_broke> it starts into the swap, so i reboot usually.
[04:58] <cwillu_at_work> if you did, it could be as simple as a fsck running on a non-root partition
[04:58] <cwillu_at_work> using swap isn't a bad thing
[04:58] <cwillu_at_work> and having truly free memory _is_ a bad thing
[04:58] <RAOF_> If it's swapping out stuff that isn't being used, yeah, there's no problem with that.
[04:58] <i_is_broke> well i know that. just that its so slow i cant get it to be more then aggravating.
[04:59] <cwillu_at_work> okay, but you're not getting to the root causes :)
[04:59] <i_is_broke> i know, thats what im trying to figure out how to do.
[04:59] <RAOF_> Unless the system is thrashing to a halt the slowness is likely to be due to something else.
[05:00] <i_is_broke> well im game to find out what it is and change it thats for sure.
[05:00] <cwillu_at_work> you know how to log into it via ssh?
[05:01] <i_is_broke> um learning
[05:01] <i_is_broke> ah it just came back up.
[05:01] <cwillu_at_work> rather than rebooting it when it start getting slow, log into it via ssh (lower resource requirements than a full x session, meaning it should stay somewhat more responsive than the x session)
[05:02] <i_is_broke> well i can do the tsc but im still not figuring out ssh yet...so im still reading and learning about that.
[05:06] <oldude67> this is me i_is_broke
[05:07] <oldude67> and right now top says that xorg in root is using the  most memory and cpu usage, but when i get the wild config going on it bounces everywhere.
[05:08] <oldude67> im going to try and see if i have any updates, that usually makes it act stupid.
[05:11] <oldude67> ok reboot
[05:40] <oldude67> ok i got it to do it again...it says i have 91meg of ram free.
[05:41] <oldude67> let me see if i can pastebin top
[05:41] <oldude67> !pastebin
[05:42] <oldude67> http://paste.ubuntu.com/340955/
[05:42] <oldude67> thats the url for top. anything else you want to look at as its doing this now?
[06:00] <oldude67> ok rebooting now...going way to slow...
[06:20] <angelus> hi, is there a way i can a) get Lucid from a .torrent or b) update Karmic to Lucid w/o a .iso ???
[06:21] <oldude67> angelus, did you do sudo aptitude update-manager -d?
[06:21] <oldude67> or is it dist-upgrade?
[06:23] <oldude67> i dont remember, for sure as i started mine from changing the source.list in apt to get the lucid instead of karmic.
[06:23] <sal_> angelus: no torrents i'm aware of, and i dont think .iso will update, more like a new install
[06:24] <sal_> like oldude67, change the source.list references from karmic to lucid
[06:24] <sal_> and run your updates/upgrades from there
[06:24] <sal_> check the forums
[06:24] <angelus> kool thanks ....
[06:48] <i_is_broke> YEAH i just learned how to ssh into my lucid box...:D im so proud of myself. now when it messes up i can see if i can do something with it.
[06:58] <DanaG> argh, trying to fix grub from within a chroot...
[06:58] <DanaG> grub-setup just segfaults
[06:58] <RAOF_> DanaG: Yeah.  You need to bind mount at least proc & dev.
[06:59] <DanaG> I did.
[06:59] <DanaG> And sys, too.
[06:59] <DanaG> and /dev/pts, too.
[06:59] <RAOF_> Hm.  I _eventually_ managed to get update-grub to not die in my chroot.  I wonder what's wrong for you?
[06:59] <DanaG> hmm, perhaps dev didn't really bind...
[06:59] <RAOF_> Oh - is there any lvm/dmraid/mdadm happening?
[07:00] <DanaG> nope.  just plain disk.
[07:00] <DanaG> hmm, rbind instead of bind, for dev, worked.
[07:01] <DanaG> ah, worked.
[07:01] <DanaG> ooh, spinfinity looks nifty.
[07:02] <DanaG> oh yeah, HP screwed up firewire on my laptop model:
[07:02] <DanaG> GUID is 5566778811223344
[07:02] <DanaG> Totally not valid.
[07:08] <DanaG> ugh, for some reason, bootchart keeps eating RAM like crazy.
[07:11] <DanaG> ugh, stupid thing... is via rhine ethernet just horrible?
[07:13] <DanaG> CONFIG_TASK_DELAY_ACCT not enabled in kernel, cannot determine SWAPIN and IO %
[07:14] <RAOF> Correct.
[07:14] <DanaG> correct on which?
[07:14] <RAOF> CONFIG_TASK_DELAY_ACCT not enabled in kernel.
[07:16] <DanaG> ah.
[07:16] <RAOF> Because there's a performance penalty, and only iotop cares.
[07:16] <DanaG> ugh, pavucontrol trashes pulseaudio.
[07:16] <DanaG> makes it hammer the cpu.
[07:35] <DanaG> http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-x@lists.debian.org/msg81683.html
[07:35] <DanaG> yargh
[08:16] <Rods_Tiger> will rails be easier to install in the next version of ubuntu?
[08:17] <Rods_Tiger> Ideally, I'd like to just select 'rails' and it pulls in ruby, sqlite3, and all the little nonsense that's necessary, without my having to go round searching for weeks online as to why it still isn't working properly yet.
[08:18] <Rods_Tiger> For learning rails, ubuntu is definitely not recommended - it's far too hard to get working
[08:36] <Rods_Tiger> also, will the next version of ubuntu be able to sort out whether it's being booted on a netbook or a big computer, and go into UNR or normal ubuntu, accordingly?
[08:47] <DanaG> hmm, playing audio over bluetooth, from one computer to another.
[08:47] <DanaG> interesting.
[08:51] <DanaG> http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=54490002f30be4fe0ffd43cb1d76f20f30eeb95d
[08:53] <DanaG> hmm, removed .asoundrc...
[08:53] <DanaG> http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=00a3614f15a5d3bb016aa7ccabbed09ea70ef388
[08:53] <DanaG> this is one with the wonky volume control.
[08:59] <indus> hi
[08:59] <indus> is alpha one any good
[09:12] <DanaG> ugh, bootchart is devouring all my memory.
[09:12] <DanaG> er, 60% of it, rather.
[09:38] <DanaG> grr, bootchart has been sitting there for like 15 minutes, eating RAM and hammering the hard drive.
[09:46] <DanaG> http://users.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/bootcharts/GLaDOS-lucid-20091214-1.png
[09:46] <DanaG> ugh, no wonder... look how huge-mongous that image is!
[12:47] <coz_> hey guys  just tried  nvclock_gtk and am getting segmentation fault   ...anyone else tried this?
[13:25] <Organized> hey guys
[13:25] <Organized> what command to update kubuntu 9.10 to 10.04a1?
[13:29] <jpds> do-release-upgrade -d
[15:19] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[15:23] <BUGabundo_work> hey BluesKaj
[15:23] <BUGabundo_work> long time no see :)
[15:26] <BluesKaj> hi BUGabundo_work , yeah where ya been ?
[15:29] <BUGabundo_work> i'm here everyday
[15:29] <BUGabundo_work> ;:o
[15:31] <BluesKaj> this room was just ressurected a few days ago , afaik :)
[15:31] <BluesKaj> err resurrected
[15:31] <maco> weeks
[15:32] <BluesKaj> didn't bother coming around til alpha was rekeased
[15:32] <BluesKaj> released
[15:33] <BUGabundo_work> hye maco
[18:15] <oldude67> ok, can i run desktop settings from terminal, so that i can run it with sudo? every time i reboot i have to reset all the settings including the wallpaper.
[18:15] <oldude67> or is this a bug?
[18:17] <i_is_broke> and can you move files or folders from one computer to the next with ssh?
[18:17] <i_is_broke> if so how?
[18:18] <Pici> i_is_broke: take a look at scp
[18:18] <i_is_broke> Pici, ty
[18:18] <i_is_broke> ill look into it.
[18:19] <DanaG> weird compiz...
[18:19] <DanaG> www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/out.ogv
[18:25] <i_is_broke> man scp is very vague on its description on how it works, ill have to google to learn more.
[18:26] <i_is_broke> be back in a min, need to reboot.
[18:37] <CosmiChaos> i have a crazy thing on my notify-osd, a orange grid and blue backgrounded title: "low -report incorrect urgency?" what is that? any idea how to get rid of it?
[18:43] <Ketsuban> CosmiChaos: you need to edit a config file to disable debug mode in notify-osd. Unfortunately I can't find where I wrote down where that file is.
[18:48] <Ketsuban> CosmiChaos: Found it! Edit /usr/share/dbus-1/services/org.freedesktop.Notifications.service and change "DEBUG=1" to "DEBUG=0".
[18:49] <Ketsuban> Wait, hang on. This isn't the file I edited.
[18:49] <Ketsuban> Argh.
[18:51] <CosmiChaos> hmmm
[18:51] <CosmiChaos> semms to be right doesnt it
[18:51] <CosmiChaos> should i try a reboot?
[18:52] <Ketsuban> No, if that change was possible then all you need to do is kill notify-osd and launch it again.
[18:54] <DanaG> www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/bootcharts/GLaDOS-lucid-20091214-3.png
[18:54] <CosmiChaos> hmm where is notify-osd located?
[18:54] <DanaG> hmm, is that slower than normal?
[18:55] <CosmiChaos> Ketsuban, how to relaunch it? O.o
[18:55] <Ketsuban> It's in /usr/lib/notify-osd.
[18:55] <CosmiChaos> btw i killed it but it still works
[18:56] <DanaG> yeah, it comes back; that's what the dbus service file does: makes it come back.
[18:56] <CosmiChaos> seems like its auto relaunching itself
[18:56] <CosmiChaos> so it still in debugging mode :(
[18:56] <DanaG> oh, I see... it probably didn't reload the service definition.
[18:57] <DanaG> Try logging out and then back in?
[18:57] <DanaG> (shouldn't need a full reboot.)
[18:57] <CosmiChaos> currently i not able to
[18:57] <CosmiChaos> running critical task that needs 80 minutes
[18:57] <DanaG> ah, then manually launch it: killall notify-osd && /usr/lib/notify-osd/notify-osd
[18:58] <DanaG> Handy thing for non-X-based tasks: run them in 'screen'.
[18:58] <CosmiChaos> notify-osd: no process found
[18:58] <CosmiChaos> still uply notfier
[18:58] <CosmiChaos> ugly
[18:59] <CosmiChaos> wait
[19:00] <DanaG> oh, and ctrl-z then 'bg' to background the new notify-osd.
[19:00] <CosmiChaos> cosmichaos@cosmichaos-desktop:~$ killall notify-osdcosmichaos@cosmichaos-desktop:~$ /usr/lib/notify-osd/notify-osd
[19:00] <CosmiChaos> that works seperated
[19:00] <CosmiChaos> what is bg?
[19:01] <CosmiChaos> but than i stoped the terminal and the old ugly one came back
[19:01] <DanaG> okay, open a console again, and try:
[19:01] <DanaG> killall notify-osd && /usr/lib/notify-osd/notify-osd &
[19:01] <DanaG> then 'disown'
[19:01] <DanaG> And then you can close the console.
[19:02] <CosmiChaos> yes i did it with ALT+F2
[19:02] <CosmiChaos> ;)
[19:02] <CosmiChaos> hope it will stay permanent up to next boot
[19:02] <DanaG> 'bg' makes the thing you stopped (with ctrl-z) resume running, but in the background (not attached to console input).
[19:03] <DanaG> 'disown' detaches it from the console, so the app won't quit when the window closes.
[19:03] <CosmiChaos> i have no key bg
[19:03] <DanaG> 'b' 'g'
[19:03] <DanaG> sorry, maybe a bit unclear there. =þ
[19:04] <CosmiChaos> pressing b and g does not work either, sop confusing me im done
[19:04] <DanaG> bg is a command.  anyway, whatever.
[19:05] <DanaG> the term for that is "job control", if you're ever curious.
[19:05] <CosmiChaos> bash: bg: current: Kein solche Job.
[19:05] <DanaG> ah, it's a new console, so that's why.
[20:07] <funkyHat> I'm getting really poor 3d (compiz is mostly what I've tested) performance since a recent update. I have a radeon x1650, using the open source drivers
[20:07] <funkyHat> Anyone got any suggestions for things to try, is it a known issue?
[20:15] <mrmcq2u> Is hal being dropped completely for lucid?
[20:17] <funkyHat> I think that is the plan, mrmcq2u
[20:18] <mrmcq2u> gabaug is shocked :)
[20:25] <funkyHat> wat. Why are the indicator applets replaced by text that just says "no indicators"?
[20:25] <Brian> how stable is linx at this point
[20:25] <Brian> is it good to test
[20:26] <funkyHat> Depends on your hardware
[20:26] <Brian> acer netbook
[20:26] <funkyHat> Bear in mide that it is likely to get more broken from now, not less broken
[20:27] <Brian> how so
[20:27] <funkyHat> Of course it will get less broken again after that, but if you're thinking about upgrading this possibly isn't a good time
[20:27] <funkyHat> As more packages are updated, new version of Gnome gets pulled in etc. stuff is bound to break
[20:30] <Brian> maybe you guys can help me , i went from karmic to opensuse useing my usb to install the distro, always before i could reboot plug in the usb drive hit f12 and pick boot from usb, but after running opensuse i want to go back to check out ubuntu more but all of a sudden when i plug in my usb drive and hit f12 the usb isnt in the boot menu, it always worked before but now , out of nowhere its not in the menu
[20:31] <i_is_broke> Brian, check the bios on the computer and make sure that its set to boot from usb.
[20:31] <Brian> it is i just checked last time
[20:31] <Brian> it only shows hdd and my harddrive
[20:33] <i_is_broke> what does sudo fdisk -l show is it showing the pendrive?
[20:34] <mrmcq2u> is anyone here using the client side window patch?
[20:37] <webbb82> http://pastebin.com/m12e1ef4d
[20:37] <webbb82> that is what fdisk -l gets
[20:37] <IdleOne> How is Xorg doing today?
[20:38] <webbb82> wait http://pastebin.com/m6bf94a79   this is what it says sorry
[20:39] <webbb82> so yes it can see my usb drive
[20:41] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/475259
[20:41] <DanaG> grr.
[20:44] <JontheEchidna> oh, that's why everything is funky with vesa then
[20:45] <nvme> does lynx boot in 10 seconds yet ?
[20:45] <DanaG> Not  for me.
[20:46] <DanaG> http://users.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/bootcharts/GLaDOS-lucid-20091214-3.png
[20:47] <nvme> o_O
[20:48] <nvme> do you measure to the end of usplash ?
[20:49] <DanaG> It's supposed to be measuring until gnome-panel finishes loading.
[20:50] <IdleOne> lucid boots in about 15 seconds here
[20:50] <nvme> where in this page is gnoe
[20:50] <nvme> *gnome
[20:51] <funkyHat> IdleOne: I'm having graphics problems. I don't know if it's the fault of Xorg or some other component though
[20:52] <IdleOne> funkyHat: I ran the updates but going to wait to reboot till later tonight
[20:53] <IdleOne> my ISP is really making me want to find a new ISP
[20:53] <DanaG> Latest boot: http://users.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/bootcharts/GLaDOS-lucid-20091214-5.png
[20:53] <nvme> IdleOne, is that with an SSD ?
[20:54] <IdleOne> SSD?
[20:54] <nvme> solid state disk (your 15 seconds boot)
[20:55] <IdleOne> heh have no clue
[20:55] <nvme> ...
[21:01] <DanaG> http://users.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/bootcharts/GLaDOS-lucid-20091214-6.png
[21:01] <DanaG> new boot.
[21:01] <DanaG> about the same time.  Le suck.
[21:01] <nvme> http://img.xrmb2.net/images/638305.png
[21:02] <nvme> how does that person get 16 ... its a friggin 1.83 single core no ssd
[21:04] <yofel> here my last (SSD) http://yofel.dyndns.org/ext/yofel-eee-lucid-20091214-1.png
[21:05] <DanaG> it's about the same as my non-ssd.
[21:05] <DanaG> whole lotta' sleeping going on there.
[21:06] <DanaG> couchdb... is that like a database of furniture?
[21:06] <DanaG> =þ
[21:06] <yofel> well, I have auto-login disabled and got distracted for a moment
[21:06] <yofel> DanaG: it's used by ubuntuone-client
[21:06] <DanaG> I want to know how the heck that person got 15 seconds.
[21:07] <nvme> http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/1071/cowlucid2009121410.png this guy sez its a 7200rpm
[21:07] <DanaG> So is mine.
[21:08] <DanaG> Even "resume" takes time.
[21:08] <DanaG> and uredahead is slow.
[21:09] <IdleOne> ok so how do I use bootchart?
[21:09] <yofel> what annoys me is that cache get's swapped out on resume here
[21:09] <nvme> IdleOne, http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=377
[21:09]  * IdleOne reads
[21:09] <yofel> IdleOne: install bootchart and pybootchartgui and reboot
[21:09] <DanaG> Oh, and I'm not even resuming, at all... I'm just plain booting.
[21:09] <yofel> !bootchart
[21:10] <IdleOne> ahh so it just runs after install
[21:10] <IdleOne> no commands to run
[21:10] <IdleOne> ok well here goes nothing
[21:10] <yofel> nope, but don't be suprized if you have 100% cpu usage on login ;)
[21:11] <DanaG> For me, it also ate like 60% of my RAM for 15 minutes, one time/
[21:12] <yofel> yeah, it needs more RAM the longer the boot takes (the longer the chart gets)
[21:13] <DanaG> http://users.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/bootcharts/GLaDOS-lucid-20091214-1.png
[21:14] <DanaG> huge one.
[21:15] <DanaG> That one didn't know where to stop.
[21:15] <tormod> DanaG, ureadahead did not do its job there
[21:15] <DanaG> I think that was first Lucid boot.
[21:16] <DanaG> But look at where it stops!
[21:16] <IdleOne> http://imagebin.ca/view/6oo8SqaK.html
[21:16] <DanaG> It stops where I'm running my own stuff, manually... including Wine.
[21:16] <nvme> what exactly is there to "purge" in HAL ?
[21:16] <DanaG> It just didn't know to stop.
[21:16] <DanaG> second lucid boot: http://users.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/bootcharts/GLaDOS-lucid-20091214-2.png
[21:16] <DanaG> And what's with the "sleep" in resume?
[21:16] <yofel> last bootchart from my notebook (kdm was still broken there) 5200RPM HDD http://yofel.dyndns.org/pics/yofel-thinkpad-lucid-20091209-1.png
[21:17] <IdleOne> ok so that says 55 seconds
[21:17] <nvme> IdleOne, thats weird your disk is realllly slow in the start
[21:18] <tormod> DanaG, agpmode=0 ? shouldn't it be -1 ?
[21:18] <nvme> most of the people with the <20s times have their disks working at 40+ in those first 20 seconds
[21:18] <DanaG> I was testing agpmode parameter essentially removed, but wanted to remind myself to set it again if need be.
[21:18] <DanaG> I moved stuff from an nforce2 board (got null pointer dereference in radeon_agp_init) to a VIA board (works fine).
[21:19] <tormod> DanaG, why is scim dark gray for so long?
[21:20] <DanaG> Beats me.  What does dark grey even mean?
[21:20] <IdleOne> I seem to have lost my user switcher button
[21:20] <IdleOne> says No Indicators instead
[21:21] <IdleOne> coffee!
[21:21] <DanaG> I always have had troubles with slow boot.
[21:21] <yofel> IdleOne: sounds like the same issue funkyHat had
[21:23] <funkyHat> yofel: IdleOne: yes.
[21:23] <funkyHat> That was one of my issues, anyway ;P
[21:24] <DanaG> weird... my other computer does not have ANY bootcharts for since I upgraded it to lucid.
[21:26] <yofel> DanaG: you did replace bootchart-java with pybootchart?
[21:26] <DanaG> yup.
[21:26] <yofel> hm...
[21:26] <DanaG> I'm trying something: purging and then reinstalling bootchart and pybootchartgui.
[21:27] <DanaG> hmm, got it a little bit shorter: http://users.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/bootcharts/GLaDOS-lucid-20091214-7.png
[21:27] <DanaG> now to reboot EliteBook.
[21:29] <DanaG> hmm, a whole lotta' "ureadahead-other terminated with status 4"
[21:32] <tormod> DanaG, your thing boots up fast, then your desktop session seems to take forever
[21:32] <DanaG> oh, and on the EliteBook, Plymouth actively refuses to display a splash.
[21:32] <DanaG>  /home is a separate partition... apparently readahead can't handle it.
[21:32] <DanaG> er, sreadahead.
[21:32] <DanaG> Old readahead did just fine.
[21:33] <tormod> er ureadahead
[21:33] <DanaG> New readahead sucks.
[21:35] <tormod> does plymouth work fine with radeon kms? I haven't had it pulled in yet
[21:37] <DanaG> oh, and something weird on "GLaDOS": it won't reboot... it just hangs at plymouth shutdown thingy.'
[21:37] <DanaG> oh, and plymouth refuses to run if it sees console= on kernel command line.
[21:38] <DanaG> oh, and spinfinity theme is nifty.
[21:39] <DanaG> grr, kdm is ignoring auto-login setting.
[21:40] <DanaG> and plasma-desktop is not auto-starting with kde.
[21:41] <yofel> DanaG: plasma-desktop does here, but knetworkmanager not
[21:43] <mrmcq2u> http://blogs.gnome.org/halfline/2009/11/28/plymouth-⟶-x-transition/ <-> Whats the point of xsplash + plymouth with this advancement?
[21:44] <natewiebe13> why is nvidia-glx-* conflicting with ubuntu-desktop and xorg?
[21:47] <natewiebe13> anyone using nvidia?
[21:48] <yofel> natewiebe13: I switched to the 195.22 beta driver from a ppa
[21:48] <natewiebe13> the 195.22 driver works in lucid?
[21:48] <yofel> but I thought the official drivers were updated for the new Xorg
[21:48] <yofel> seems they weren't yet
[21:48] <natewiebe13> im trying the 190.42 drivers from the libvdpau ppa
[21:49] <yofel> natewiebe13: https://launchpad.net/~sevenmachines/+archive/nvidia this one works for me
[21:49] <natewiebe13> yofel: awesome.. thanks
[21:49] <DanaG> http://users.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/bootcharts/EliteBook-lucid-20091214-3.png
[21:49] <DanaG> aah, different computer.
[21:49] <DanaG> Much, much nicer.
[21:50] <DanaG> But, still nowhere near 15 seconds.
[21:53] <natewiebe13> yofel: just thinking about it, wasnt the new xorg released with alpha one?
[21:53] <yofel> natewiebe13: yes, xorg 7.5 with server 1.7
[21:53] <yofel> like I said, maybe the drivers weren't updated yet
[21:54] <natewiebe13> why was the ppa updated to include lucid if the drivers werent updated?
[21:54] <natewiebe13> seems strange to me
[21:55] <DanaG> hmm... any way I can speed up my boot?
[21:55] <natewiebe13> yofel: and the 195 drivers work.. thanks
[21:56] <yofel> natewiebe13: the drivers were uploaded for lucid while lucid still had xorg 7.4
[21:56] <natewiebe13> okay.. that makes sense
[21:56] <yofel> xorg 7.5 got into lucid 1-2 weeks ago
[21:57] <DanaG> hmm, I also have weird volume control behavior with pulseaudio and ALC658D.
[21:58] <natewiebe13> anyone else getting "no indicators" for where the user switcher was?
[21:59] <yofel> natewiebe13: yep IdleOne and funkyHat
[22:00] <natewiebe13> bug?
[22:00] <IdleOne> yofel: The official keeper of " OMG! what happened to my user switch " bug :)
[22:00] <yofel> ^^
[22:00] <IdleOne> natewiebe13: seems like a little bug yup
[22:01] <natewiebe13> haha.. nice, seems to happen at least once every release :P
[22:02] <natewiebe13> is there a bug report for it yet?
[22:03] <DanaG> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=22239
[22:03] <DanaG> for me, plymouth refuses to run.'
[22:04] <natewiebe13> yofel: is there a bug report for indicator applet?
[22:04] <yofel> no idea
[22:04] <natewiebe13> (unless its something else)
[22:07] <DanaG>  -- also big.http://users.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/bootcharts/EliteBook-lucid-20091214-4.png
[22:08] <mrmcq2u> DanaG - ati kms was switched off in an update recently in case that might be the issue
[22:08] <DanaG> nope, different issue.
[22:08] <DanaG> I actually have pinned the Karmic X server, and am using fglrx.
[22:08] <DanaG> I need the power savings features.
[22:09] <DanaG> So, I have it use uvesafb.
[22:09] <DanaG> It just actively refuses to show splash if it sees "console=anything"
[22:11] <mrmcq2u> it worked for a charm for me on fedora for the past two releases with ati
[22:11] <mrmcq2u> but fedora's not debian based :)
[22:11] <mrmcq2u> oh how I loath yum
[22:12] <DanaG> yum?  more like yuck.
[22:12] <natewiebe13> funkyHat, IdleOne: bug #496731
[22:13] <DanaG> read the bug link I posted.
[22:16] <BUGabundo> guys sorry for the spam but been laughing so hard with this site, I had to share http://akinator.com/
[22:18] <yofel> btw, looking through my unread feeds I found this nice explenation about 'Partial upgrades'
[22:18] <yofel> http://u.nu/78584
[22:18] <DanaG> http://users.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/bootcharts/EliteBook-lucid-20091214-5.png
[22:20] <DanaG> that's a bit better.
[22:20] <DanaG> Still won't auto-login.
[22:31] <DanaG> bug 416067
[22:32] <rr73> is there a known issue about alpha-1 flickering on laptops?
[22:32] <DanaG> bug 490512
[22:35] <rr73> so bad that I can't even run live cd or let alone install
[22:36] <natewiebe13> hmm.. after an update i no longer get x at all
[22:36] <natewiebe13> thought it may have to do with installing the nvidia glx driver, i uninstall it and still no x
[22:37] <rr73> natewiebe13~ my screen flickers like mad on my laptop, it is like it keeps switching virtual terms or something
[22:38] <natewiebe13> when mine starts up you see terms instead of plymouth, then the background changes from black to green and then it brings up the login from terminal but no x
[22:39] <rr73> this is why it is alpha lol
[22:41] <natewiebe13> rr73 yup.. im also getting usplash terminated with status 2, but it has been removed 2 updates ago
[22:41] <natewiebe13> haha
[22:42] <rr73> so a daily/current *should* solve my issue? even though it is xubuntu right?
[22:42] <natewiebe13> rr73: got x running.. had to login and "sudo start gdm"
[22:42] <natewiebe13> rr73: shouldnt that be done by default?
[22:43] <natewiebe13> :P
[22:43] <rr73> what by defualy
[22:43] <natewiebe13> start gdm
[22:43] <rr73> idk
[22:51] <rr73> what is the difference between /daily/ and /daily-live/ during the develepment process?
[22:53] <MatBoy> ah I just heard knowledge is here again :) nice people that actually know what they are doing :)
[22:54] <MatBoy> when you encrypt your /home partition during the install there is displayed the encryption key after the first login... this is done by a command which I can't find anymore
[22:56] <BUGabundo> rr73: daily is the alternate, Live is the Desktop
[22:56] <bjsnider> beat me to it
[22:56] <bjsnider> you bugabundo you
[22:56] <rr73> BUGabundo~ just realized that lol
[22:56] <rr73> and the alternate is updated more frequently?
[22:56] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: and I'm not even paying attention
[22:56] <BUGabundo> I was playing http://akinator.com/
[22:56] <BUGabundo> can't stop... I'm hooked on the site
[22:57] <BUGabundo> rr73: same
[22:57] <BUGabundo> daily
[22:57] <BUGabundo> DVDs are every 3-5 days
[22:58] <rr73> BUGabundo~ for xubuntu the alternate is from 14 and desktop is from 09, both of December
[22:59] <BUGabundo> unless its failing to build due to the X bug
[22:59] <rr73> :-D lol ok thankyou
[23:00] <rr73> so in an ideal world they are the same, but in some instances of bugs they are not, right BUGabundo ?
[23:00] <rr73> thank you so much for the assistance BUGabundo
[23:00] <BUGabundo> yes
[23:01] <BUGabundo> something like that
[23:05] <bjsnider> now people are sending me bug reports about how badly mplayer works when they've removed pulseaudio from their systems
[23:05] <bjsnider> what do i tell them, BUGabundo?
[23:05] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: ahahaha
[23:05] <BUGabundo> I laugh in their FACES ahahaahaha
[23:06] <BUGabundo> or
[23:06] <BUGabundo> ask them to re install PA
[23:07] <bjsnider> he says he removed it because he was not able to get surround sound to work with it (pulse that is)
[23:07] <bjsnider> ugh, how distasteful
[23:07] <MatBoy> mhh I wonder why I can't find this command to disply my encryption key
[23:08] <BUGabundo> lame
[23:08] <BUGabundo> he should have installed PAMAN
[23:08] <BUGabundo> and selected the 5 channerls
[23:09] <BUGabundo> if only stereo head phones worked :(
[23:09] <BUGabundo> but I've been trying and can't collect enough debug data :(
[23:09] <bjsnider> i thought surround sound was one of the profiles available
[23:09] <BUGabundo> nor I find a good bug on LP for it
[23:10] <MatBoy> mhh, no-one knows the command ?
[23:10] <BUGabundo> MatBoy: ?
[23:10] <BUGabundo> ohh GPG
[23:10] <BUGabundo> humm
[23:10] <bjsnider> i should send him to dtchen
[23:10] <BUGabundo> keyserver something
[23:11] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: #ubuntu-audio-help
[23:11] <MatBoy> BUGabundo: when you encrypt your home partition the first time you get your key after enetering your sudo passwd
[23:11] <bjsnider> there you go. thakn you
[23:11] <BUGabundo> with all ubuntu-desktop packages installed
[23:11] <BUGabundo> and a good bug report from apport
[23:11] <BUGabundo> MatBoy: you do? I never do it like that
[23:11] <BUGabundo> I use encfs
[23:11] <MatBoy> BUGabundo: it worked kinda well
[23:12] <MatBoy> but I need to know if I need to recover :)
[23:13] <MatBoy> I also need to know how you can recover a ext4 partition when you converted it or whatever... not much info about it yet :)
[23:13] <MatBoy> I always want to now in front :)
[23:14] <BUGabundo> MatBoy: no recoveral method should be available
[23:14] <BUGabundo> but talk to the guy that made it
[23:14] <BUGabundo> you can find him in #ubuntu-devel
[23:14] <MatBoy> not yet for ext4 ?
[23:14] <MatBoy> so better use ext3 so far ?
[23:14] <BUGabundo> humm his nick is......
[23:14] <BUGabundo> darn... can't remember
[23:15] <MatBoy> hehe
[23:15] <MatBoy> NP
[23:19] <MatBoy> BUGabundo: I just reocered a converted ext4 parition encrypted also using testdisk :) only converted, nothing more :D
[23:19] <BUGabundo> ohh strange dude :)
[23:19] <MatBoy> BUGabundo: Iḿ kinda freak... but woman seem to like me tho :P
[23:20]  * BUGabundo steps back
[23:20] <MatBoy> hehe
[23:20] <BUGabundo> hye coool.... kmail fixed :)
[23:21] <MatBoy> damn I need to reinstall my eeepc with flashdisk to upgrade to 9.10 :S
[23:43] <BUGabundo>   p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }  KMail encountered a fatal error and will terminate now. The error was: Message could not be added to the folder, possibly disk space is low
[23:44] <BUGabundo> and i have >100GiB free
[23:44] <BUGabundo> stupid app
[23:44] <BUGabundo> I'm movign to TB3
[23:44] <BUGabundo> damn it
[23:45] <MatBoy> mhh what is the most nice way to encrypt your partition now ?
[23:48] <nvme> 11 second boot ? what ? http://tr.im/HDhy