[10:49] <thorwil> http://create.freedesktop.org/wiki/Open_Color_Standard
[10:49] <thorwil> ^ and a story about it: http://www.internetevolution.com/author.asp?section_id=867&doc_id=185725&
[10:51] <darkmatter> http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/6047/screenshotks.png
[10:56] <thorwil> http://www.manager-magazin.de/img/0,1020,154349,00.jpg
[12:02] <mrmcq2u> will xsplash be removed completely for plymouth?
[12:05] <mrmcq2u> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbgLapRAloQ&feature=fvhr :D
[12:19] <coz_> mrmcq2u,  I have no idea really
[12:19] <mrmcq2u> wouldnt make sense to me to have xsplash with plymouth
[12:20] <coz_> mrmcq2u,  I am not up on plymouth
[12:20] <mrmcq2u> Hopefully once input configuration is decentralized from x things can start migrating over to wayland
[12:21] <coz_> mrmcq2u,  wayland is a different fruit altogether
[12:21] <coz_> :)
[12:21] <coz_> mrmcq2u,  compiz would have to be rewritten
[12:22] <mrmcq2u> I thought compiz was already being rewritten
[12:22] <mrmcq2u> and mutter will support wayland
[12:22] <coz_> mrmcq2u,  it is being ported to C++
[12:22] <thorwil> wayland? but surely not susan wayland?
[12:22] <mrmcq2u> lol
[12:23] <coz_> wayland is not going to implimented any time soon I dont believe
[12:23] <thorwil> would latex support for wayland make any sense?
[12:23] <mrmcq2u> coz_ I would have said that some time ago but allot of what was holding it back has been rectified
[12:24] <mrmcq2u> x does not do very much these days that is not duplicated from other elements
[12:24] <coz_> mrmcq2u,  possiblly  I just dont the all of the specifics and how that is going to effect everything we have come to love ;)
[12:25] <mrmcq2u> well you can run x within wayland
[12:25] <coz_> being an "old phart"  as I am... I hate new things lol
[12:26] <mrmcq2u> you can have it serve multiple x servers or just host an x app within wayland itself
[12:26] <mrmcq2u> coz_ you should check out the latest talk on it - http://video.linuxfoundation.org/video/1571
[12:26] <mrmcq2u> he is very very nervous when giving the talk though :D
[12:27] <coz_> mrmcq2u,  sounds like he is struggling with english
[12:29] <mrmcq2u> it offers loads of great things, it allows animations to run at the full refresh rate supported by the monitor while x scales down to 30fps.
[12:30] <coz_> mrmcq2u,  I am interested but  I dont how long it is going to be before actual implimentation...I know of one fellow that tried installing what is available right now on ubuntu and gentoo with no  good results
[12:30]  * mrmcq2u wonders whether intel hired him to work on it full time, he was previously working on it on his own time with red hat.
[12:31] <coz_> mrmcq2u,  maybe because has more money perhaps?
[12:31] <coz_> intel has more money
[12:31] <coz_> and intel is very involved in linux
[12:32] <coz_> actually most new stuff from intell is sent to certain projects for testing one being ubuntu before it is released
[12:32] <mrmcq2u> well my theory is he is working on it full time, that would explain why the mutter guys are pushing for it to support wayland(clutter being an intel technology now)
[12:33]  * mrmcq2u likes intel, too bad larrabee is postponed :( would have been great for linux :D
[12:34] <mrmcq2u> ati are also cool,I don't buy from nvidia anymore due to them not really supporting oss properly. Its annoying having new technologies held back due to binary blobs :(
[12:35] <coz_> mrmcq2u,  I never use ati   even though the driver is opensource ... I prefere nvidia hardware ...it is remarkable,, but the drivers are always still not refelcting the chips capabilites
[12:38] <mrmcq2u> I switched to ati some time ago, the oss drivers are getting very good.. though its taken a while for them to get up to par on ubuntu.. I noticed that they seem to be better on fedora but I was told that its due to fedora not working upstream fast enough with display divers.. not sure the validity of that opinion is correct though.
[12:39] <coz_> mrmcq2u,  well fedora is not surprising since it is more willing to deal with new experimental t hings than most other distributions
[12:39] <coz_> especially with video
[12:39] <mrmcq2u> kms and dri2 was enabled on fedora for example with my ati card two releases ago(and thats just when I checked, could have been enabled longer) yet ubuntu still doesnt enable them.
[12:40] <coz_> mrmcq2u,  right because fedora is more "experimental" than ubuntu is
[12:40] <coz_> or rather more willing to experiement
[12:41] <mrmcq2u> yeah :D I suppose it was just slightly annoying because I wanted to learn clutter without switching my compositor off :(
[12:42] <mrmcq2u> I assume it will be enabled this time though, they need kms for plymouth so that is a sign, hope dri2 gets switched on too though.
[12:43] <coz_> mrmcq2u,  you can always check in #ubuntu+1
[12:43] <coz_> see what they might be doing
[12:44] <mrmcq2u> yeah
[13:13] <mac_v> mrmcq2u: usplash will be replaced by plymouth , so it will be plymouth+xsplash
[13:25] <mrmcq2u> whats the point in xsplash?
[13:26] <mrmcq2u> plymouth offers the same extendability in terms of theme design, seems like un-needed overhead to me
[15:01] <darkmatter> coz_: http://www.flickr.com/photos/92826085@N00/4184312119/sizes/o/
[15:02] <coz_> darkmatter,  oo nice
[15:02] <coz_> darkmatter,  is that a new version of wideget factory?
[15:02] <darkmatter> coz_: old version.
[15:02] <coz_> darkmatter,  is it also an editor?
[15:03] <darkmatter> the new thing there is murrine from git :D
[15:04] <darkmatter> coz_: nope. just a viewer, but it makes editing easier. though i want to give that glade powered thing a try. the one that loads changes on the fly
[15:04] <darkmatter> coz_: my sonar tweaks are getting there. damn scrollbars still look weird though
[15:05] <coz_> cool  I know you will get it right :)
[15:06] <darkmatter> yeah. just need to get used to the new highlighting and stuff
[15:06] <darkmatter> but the buttons and entries are pretty much spot on
[15:07] <Equiet> Why is everything nicely rounded, but progress bars and that list on right side aren't?
[15:08] <darkmatter> because its a WIP? :P
[15:08] <Equiet> What's WIP?
[15:09] <darkmatter> work in progress
[15:09] <darkmatter> in other words 'its not done yet" ;)
[15:10] <Equiet> Ah. Ok, then. Nice theme.
[15:11] <darkmatter> Equiet: thanks. I'm just working on tweaking Sonar (openSUSE's  theme) to make it a bit lighter/lively (since the default is pretty much FLAT xD)
[15:12] <darkmatter> coz_: did you notice the new gtk expander in that screenie? :D
[15:12] <coz_> darkmatter,  not sure ....where is it?
[15:13] <darkmatter> coz_: below the check/radio. I could kiss cimi for coding that :P
[15:13] <coz_> oh yeah ...what is that for/
[15:13] <darkmatter> no more ugly arrows. now its +/-
[15:13] <coz_> cool
[15:14] <darkmatter> coz_: treeview, pidgins buddylist, etc etc.
[15:14] <darkmatter> brb. restarting pidgin
[15:19]  * snubby tips hat
[15:19] <snubby> sup artworkers
[16:53] <mac_v> !hi | snubby
[16:53]  * snubby bows
[16:55] <mac_v> darkmatter: whats with the green shade ... it works well on the window title but not so much in the progress bars , gives me a sickly feel :(
[16:58] <darkmatter> mac_v: I haven't touched the colors that much. just the gradients and crap
[17:01] <darkmatter> just finished tweaking the scrollbars. I have an idea for menus/progress et al, but may or may not work. it should make that green look quite lovely
[17:07] <darkmatter> mac_v: basically it's all still 'sonar' as far as the colors go. I'll be modifying those soon enough
[17:08] <mac_v> darkmatter: nice  , the progressbar is the only sore shade there ;)
[17:11] <darkmatter> mac_v: I was going to steal the gradient shades from firefox ;o
[17:13] <darkmatter> because the effect in the addons window is just lovely *rips* xD
[17:14] <darkmatter> but first. rebuilding gdm. stupid save screenspace patch. I want my clock damnit!
[17:14] <mac_v> lol
[17:25] <kwwii> btw, the new murrine engine is available for those who want to play with it
[17:25] <kwwii> packaged, I mean
[17:26] <Equiet> What means "Gtk2 engine"?
[17:26] <darkmatter> kwwii: I just package that myself earlier :P
[17:27] <darkmatter> kinda had too. since your ppa wont run on openSUSE ;D
[17:27] <darkmatter> brb. restarting x
[17:28] <kwwii> lol
[17:28] <kwwii> Equiet: it is the code behind the theme
[17:28] <kwwii> Equiet: gtk theme, I mean
[17:29] <kwwii> https://launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/+archive/gnome is the link to the ppa with the murrine engine
[17:30] <Equiet> So it's that gtkrc file?
[17:31] <darkmatter> sweet. gdm has a clock now. now change the system hinting and hack the theme to bold-face the clock in gdm
[17:31] <kwwii> Equiet: the gtkrc file is the definition of how to use the engine
[17:33]  * thorwil moves humancity to lucid
[17:35] <thorwil> the name is sooo great
[17:35] <coz_> anyone have access to other throbber images for xsplash?  I am lazy to day and dont want to create any :)
[17:53] <mac_v> coz_: gnome-look has a bunch of stuff [other than malware of-course ;p]
[17:53] <mac_v> xsplash stuff*
[17:54] <coz_> mac_v,  oh ok   ... I know how to make the darn things but they take too long :)
[19:03] <zniavre> good evening
[19:03] <zniavre> https://launchpad.net/~ken-vandine is here ?
[19:04] <darkmatter> http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/4954/screenshotijw.png scrollies are almost done methinks
[19:05] <zniavre> how did you managed to disable rgba stuff for apps does not support it ?
[19:29] <mrmcq2u> if you ask me the apps should be patched to support it at this stage
[19:30] <mrmcq2u> its nearly been two years since cimi first introduced it
[19:31] <zniavre> a ok
[19:57] <mrmcq2u> any chance someone using the client side window patch can debug the banshee failure and post it on pastebin for me?
[20:00] <mrmcq2u> kwwii - you using the patch?