[00:00] <mdeslaur> asac: I've added a patch to fix bug #496206
[04:28] <CTho> pitti: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sudo/+bug/194472/comments/28 it was renamed from "pwstars" to "pwfeedback"
[07:24] <pitti> Good morning
[07:24] <didrocks> Guten Morgen pitti
[07:24] <pitti> didrocks: gconf sponsoring>  seems done now?
[07:25] <pitti> bonjour didrocks
[07:25] <didrocks> pitti: yeah, now bug #496301 needs love :)
[07:29] <pitti> didrocks: need those sponsored?
[07:29] <didrocks> pitti: when you have some time, yes. no hurry though :)
[07:29] <didrocks> trying to grab some coffee, bbl
[08:14] <pitti> didrocks: followed up, first two debdiffs are incomplete
[08:15] <pitti> didrocks: unr-d-s isn't in bzr?
[08:15] <didrocks> pitti: there is no svn-bzr tag in control file
[08:16] <didrocks> pitti: you are talking about autostart desktop file? You want to handle them in /usr instead avec /etc (as others in etc/xdg/autostart?)
[08:17] <pitti> didrocks: well, I suggested considering it
[08:17] <pitti> didrocks: for this we'll need maintainer scripts either way, since they are currently in /etc
[08:17] <pitti> and need to be moved away from there
[08:18] <didrocks> pitti: I guess we can declare those file as not being conffiles (it make little sense for autostart desktop file to be conffiles)
[08:18] <pitti> didrocks: that was my question; can we put them into /usr/share/autostart/ from now on?
[08:18] <pitti> (or the equivalent UNE-only subpath)
[08:19] <pitti> unr-d-s sponsored
[08:19] <didrocks> pitti: we can, I need to change my patch in gconf and we can tell that they are there. (but what about existing files in /etc/xdg/autostart, we kept them there?)
[08:19] <didrocks> pitti: thanks
[08:24] <didrocks> pitti: so, using http://standards.freedesktop.org/autostart-spec/autostart-spec-latest.html, we can try to tweak everytime XDG_CONFIG_DIR to include a new /usr/share/xdg/autostart path and move every .desktop file there? (it would require a lot of changes in gnome-session-properties too)
[08:24] <didrocks> XDG_CONFIG_DIRS*
[08:25] <pitti> that woudl be weird
[08:25] <pitti> didrocks: /usr/share/autostart/ should already be supported (and has been for a long time)
[08:25] <didrocks> pitti: or we can add a new cdbs/dh tool to automatically tell that desktop autostart file in /etc/xdg/autostart and /etc/xdg/xdg-session aren't conffiles?
[08:25] <pitti> if that's deprecated, then ignore me
[08:25] <pitti> no, files in /etc shipped in a .deb are conffiles
[08:26] <didrocks> but we can still say "this file in /etc/...." isn't a conffile, right?
[08:26] <pitti> no, we shouldn't (and I don't think we can)
[08:29] <didrocks> oh right, bad memory so :)
[08:30] <didrocks> pitti: ok, I'm adding the code this evening for the conffile move. For the moment, I just propose to keep them in /etc/xdg/xdg-session/autostart if you agree (to not add another rule different from thoses in /etc/xdg/autostart). I've some ideas on lucid+1 for better session management, we can maybe discuss again about that at next UDS. Do you agree?
[08:30] <fagan> kenvandine: you around?
[08:32] <pitti> didrocks: sounds fine
[08:39] <baptistemm> hello
[08:39] <chrisccoulson> good morning everyone
[08:40] <didrocks> good morning chrisccoulson, baptistemm
[08:40] <chrisccoulson> hey didrocks
[08:40] <chrisccoulson> how are you?
[08:41] <didrocks> fine thanks, and you? You was able to get some sleep this week-end? ;)
[08:41] <chrisccoulson> didrocks - yeah, i slept a little :)
[08:42] <chrisccoulson> and i even managed to do a couple of merges last night ;)
[08:44] <pitti> hey chrisccoulson
[08:44] <chrisccoulson> hey pitti, how are you?
[08:49] <seb128> good morning desktopland
[08:50] <chrisccoulson> hey seb128, how are you?
[08:50] <seb128> hello chrisccoulson, good, thank you
[08:50] <seb128> what about you?
[08:52] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - yeah, good thanks. we had some visitors all weekend
[08:53] <seb128> so your plan to get some sleep failed this weekend?
[08:53] <chrisccoulson> i got a reasonable amount of sleep ;)
[08:55] <chrisccoulson> pitti - any chance we could have liboobs and gnome-system-tools in the desktop package set?
[08:56] <didrocks> lut seb128 :)
[08:56] <seb128> 'lu didrocks
[08:56] <seb128> ca va?
[08:57] <didrocks> seb128: ça va bien, dernière semaine à DS \o/ et toi?
[08:57] <pitti> chrisccoulson: I don't think we can define them individually; I guess they are also used in xubuntu and other places
[08:57] <pitti> bonjour seb128
[08:57] <seb128> ca va bien, dernière semaine à Canonical pour 2009 ;-)
[08:57] <chrisccoulson> pitti - oh, ok. i wasn't aware of that
[08:57] <didrocks> :-)
[08:57] <seb128> hey pitti
[08:58] <seb128> didrocks, pitti: how are you?
[08:58]  * seb128 clean his inbox and curses the spammers
[09:00] <pitti> seb128: pretty good, had a relaxing weekend (big family event, 50th bday of my mother-in-law)
[09:00] <seb128> nice! ;-)
[09:15] <seb128> pitti, bug #496025 is probably for you
[09:16] <seb128> pitti, oh, it's fixed in git
[09:16] <seb128> it has been ported to gudev
[09:17] <pitti> seb128: right, I saw the bug
[09:17] <pitti> oh, nice!
[09:17]  * seb128 comment on the bug
[09:17] <pitti> it seems to miss a dependency right now
[09:17] <seb128> yes
[09:17] <seb128> do you want me to do a git snapshot rather?
[09:17] <tjaalton> pitti: could you sync xserver-xorg-input-evdev from experimental, thanks. new upstream version, should fix some crashes
[09:19] <pitti> tjaalton: done
[09:20] <seb128> didrocks, yet another gconf path? :-(
[09:21] <seb128> and additional Xsession.d file?
[09:21] <didrocks> seb128: yes, for une session as we discussed before (populating ENV_MANDATORY_PATH)
[09:21] <tjaalton> pitti: great, thx
[09:22] <seb128> didrocks, alright...
[09:22] <seb128> I'm trying to reduce the number of things to Xsession.d
[09:22] <seb128> not to add new ones, but I guess it will not impact on speed a lot
[09:23] <didrocks> seb128: I understand, but I guess it was better than patching gconf code to behave depending on GDMSESSION variable, isn't?
[09:23] <seb128> yes probably
[09:23] <seb128> though I'm not even sure having the variable depending on the session is correct
[09:23] <seb128> there is no real reason GNOME should behave differently if started with gdm or not
[09:24] <didrocks> seb128: the idea is more "you want the "Y" session with those autostart files and those gconf settings"
[09:25] <seb128> well I'm not convinced that GNOME should have different settings depending on how it's started
[09:25] <seb128> out of UNE which is not a GNOME session
[09:26] <didrocks> that can be used in gnome-stracciatella too (instead of patching applications to tell "start only if you have this GDMSESSION variable")
[09:29] <seb128> I guess not too many users will fiddle with that
[09:30] <seb128> still can be pretty confusing to have GNOME configuration changing under your feet for no apparent reason just because you started it differently
[09:30] <didrocks> I totally agree with that, it will be very little used. Not a lot of users will use that
[11:16] <asac> pitti: we added two packages to the desktop seed for armel on friday ... what are the steps to do now? upload meta package and then promotion or v.v.
[11:16]  * asac thought that the meta package gets automatically uploaded when seed changes
[11:33] <seb128> yeah, I'm done with weekend email backlog before lunch
[11:34] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - \o/
[11:47] <pitti> asac: no, you need to do that manually
[11:48] <pitti> asac: download, ./update, edit changelog, upload
[11:58] <asac> ok. guess we have to wait for promotion first.
[13:59] <seb128> mvo, hey, is software-center known to not start on alpha1?
[14:01] <mvo> seb128: no, I uploaded some changes today, it might be failing because of that?
[14:01] <mvo> seb128: what is the error?
[14:01] <seb128> mvo, no, that's a stock alpha1 install
[14:01] <seb128> no upgrade yet
[14:01] <mvo> oh
[14:02] <seb128> mvo, http://paste.ubuntu.com/341180/
[14:02] <mvo> seb128: right, silly mistake, but fixed
[14:02] <seb128> ok thanks
[14:03] <seb128> I just reinstalled the mini with fresh alpha and I wanted to use software-center to install bootchart
[14:03] <mvo> seb128: let me know if you still have issues after a update
[14:03] <seb128> but that's a fail there ;-)
[14:03] <seb128> mvo, ok, upgrading now
[14:03]  * mvo nods
[14:03] <mvo> thanks
[14:04] <seb128> mvo, works now, thanks
[14:06] <mvo> cool
[14:06] <mvo> thanks
[14:28] <mpt> mvo, http://paste.ubuntu.com/341199/
[14:28] <mvo> mpt: did you update to the latest aptdaemon in lucid?
[14:29] <mpt> mvo, no, this is on 9.10
[14:29] <mpt> mvo, "trunk won't work on 9.10 from now on" is quite acceptable as an answer :-)
[14:29] <mvo> mpt: oh, ok - hm, then I think I need to upload a atdaemon for karmic into the software-center ppa
[14:29] <mpt> I can install alpha 1 on my other partition
[14:33] <mvo> mpt: I uploaded it to ppa:software-store-developers/ppa
[14:33] <mvo> mpt: I let you know when it build
[14:33] <mpt> thanks mvo
[14:35] <mvo> mpt: in a few minutes "sudo add-apt-repository ppa:software-store-developers/ppa; sudo apt-get update" should work
[14:35]  * mvo is still waiting for the "accepted" mail
[14:40] <fagan> mvo: the software store ppa doesnt have an amd64 build in lucid
[14:40] <seb128> pitti, kenvandine can't upload new sources
[14:40] <seb128> pitti, ie the indicator needs sponsoring
[14:40] <seb128> (I can do it if you want)
[14:41] <kenvandine> did you guys finish reviewing the changes?
[14:41] <seb128> I just read a reply from pitti on the ubuntu-archive list
[14:41] <seb128> saying to upload
[14:41] <kenvandine> ah... ok... damn evolution message threading :)
[14:42] <kenvandine> seb128, sponsoring would be great :)
[14:42] <kenvandine> thx
[14:42] <fagan> oh kenvandine is the rgba stuff from the desktop teams ppa causing some stuff to crash in lucid?
[14:42] <kenvandine> yes
[14:42] <kenvandine> the same error you sent to the list
[14:42] <fagan> Oh cool
[14:42] <kenvandine> fagan, thx for testing
[14:42] <kenvandine> hopefully we will get a fix this week
[14:43]  * kenvandine glares at bratsche
[14:43] <kenvandine> who isn't around :)
[14:43] <seb128> note that I'm on vac after this week
[14:43] <fagan> mail the list and ill test it when you have it uploaded
[14:43] <seb128> so it's probably this week or next year
[14:43] <seb128> upload to lucid I mean
[14:46] <seb128> kenvandine, the new indicator-session failed to build btw
[14:46] <seb128> basically none of the thing you updated made it to lucid yet
[14:47] <seb128> do you need some help to sort that?
[14:49] <mvo> fagan: thanks, I think jcastro might have a idea why
[14:50] <kenvandine> seb128, yeah... well it is weird
[14:50] <kenvandine> it can't install libindicator0
[14:50] <kenvandine> which is available in lucid
[14:50] <seb128> right the binary went to universe
[14:50] <kenvandine> oh!
[14:50] <seb128> I've promoted it now
[14:50] <kenvandine> thx
[14:50] <kenvandine> that will fix it :)
[14:50] <seb128> I will retry builds after next publisher run
[14:50] <kenvandine> thx
[14:51] <seb128> kenvandine, when you get new binaries please tell us what should go to main now that you upload
[14:51] <seb128> that will smooth such issues
[14:51] <seb128> I used to tweak those while doing the sponsoring
[14:51] <kenvandine> ok, i had mentioned it because it went into NEW
[14:51] <seb128> ok, I didn't read about it
[14:51] <kenvandine> hey rickspencer3!
[14:51] <seb128> next time feel free to ping me about it
[14:51] <kenvandine> sure
[14:51] <seb128> hello rickspencer3
[14:52] <seb128> I will retry indicator-messages and indicator-session
[14:52] <kenvandine> thx
[14:52] <rickspencer3> good morning
[14:52] <seb128> will that be enough for lucid to upgrade?
[14:52] <fagan> morning rickspencer3
[14:52] <seb128> or do we need the new source too?
[14:52] <kenvandine> do we manually need to retry those builds?
[14:52] <kenvandine> they will work
[14:52] <rickspencer3> hi fagan
[14:52] <seb128> yes
[14:52] <kenvandine> they built file in pbuilder and for karmic in the ppa
[14:52] <seb128> kenvandine, the system depwait when a build depends is not available
[14:52] <seb128> but in this case the -dev was, but the lib was in universe
[14:53] <kenvandine> seb128, yeah i got a bunch of the FTBS emails over the weekend
[14:53] <seb128> and main builders can't use universe
[14:53] <kenvandine> yeah
[14:53] <kenvandine> someone must have been retrying them over the weekend
[14:53] <seb128> it's possible
[14:53] <seb128> some of the buildd admins kick rebuild for installability issues
[14:54] <didrocks> hey rickspencer3
[14:54] <pitti> hey rickspencer3, good morning kenvandine
[14:55] <pitti> kenvandine, seb128: I retried them this morning upon geser's request; I didn't check
[14:55] <seb128> ok
[14:55] <seb128> I've promoted the binary now
[14:55] <seb128> will retry after next publisher
[14:55] <rickspencer3> hi didrocks
[15:00] <geser> pitti, seb128: sorry for any trouble, I did check them in my builder if they build but didn't check the compontents
[15:00] <seb128> geser, don't worry that's minor trouble
[15:03] <seb128> pitti, is the guest session working in lucid for you?
[16:00] <pitti> seb128: no, the X server crashes
[16:00] <pitti> I guess for you too?
[16:00] <seb128> pitti, yes
[16:00] <seb128> pitti, I just wanted to check if somebody else had the issue too, thanks
[16:13] <mpt> mvo, the PPA version of aptdaemon Breaks the Karmic version of software-center, and the PPA doesn't include a new version of software-center itself
[16:13] <mpt> mvo, so it's probably just easier for me to install Lucid :-)
[16:20] <mvo> mpt: hm, ok
[16:20] <mvo> mpt: I uploaded a software-center snapshot there now too :)
[16:20] <mpt> thanks mvo!
[16:21] <mvo> mpt: its still a good idea to run lucid, but at least you should be able to test it under both systems (and I'm sure other will use the ppa too :)
[16:32] <seb128> kenvandine, new indicator-messages and session built now
[16:32] <seb128> on i386 at least
[16:32] <kenvandine> seb128, excellent, thx!
[16:32] <seb128> they will be in the next publisher run
[16:39] <baptistemm> hi there
[16:40] <seb128> hey baptistemm
[16:40] <baptistemm> how safe it is to switch to lucid? no big breakage ?
[16:40] <baptistemm> salut seb128
[16:40] <baptistemm> I didn't had time to work on nautilus SRU
[16:40] <baptistemm> :/
[16:40] <seb128> don't bother with that one, I'm not even sure there is changes worth a sru there
[16:40] <seb128> I did the lucid update
[16:41] <seb128> lucid, still early unstable, works fine now but there is rough edges and things might break on the way
[16:41] <baptistemm> seb128, okay as usual for a dev version
[17:01] <and471> could someone take a screenshot of a new mail notification from evolution? (with notify-osd installed)
[17:02] <seb128> can't you do that?
[17:02] <mvo> hey and471!
[17:02] <and471> mvo, hullo
[17:02] <and471> seb128, I have been trying to configure evolution but it is annoying me
[17:03] <and471> mvo: once my exams are over, I have some interesting changes for the css / html we are using :-)
[17:04] <mac_v> and471: the new mail notification? in lucid or larmic?
[17:04] <mac_v> karmic*
[17:04] <and471> mac_v, I prefer in larmic please :-)
[17:04] <and471> mac_v, it doesn't really matter I am joking
[17:05] <mac_v> and471: all it will say is "N new mail"
[17:05] <and471> just need to know what it looks like so I can nick the layout for thunderbird :-)
[17:05] <and471> mac_v, no summary of the message or subject?
[17:05] <mac_v> nope
[17:05] <and471> mac_v, oh :-)
[17:05] <and471> mac_v, well that was easy :-)
[17:05] <mac_v> and471: also N will most probably be wrong when mails arrives in several folders
[17:05] <and471> thanks
[17:06] <mac_v> np
[17:06] <and471> back to revision :-)
[17:06] <and471> :-(
[17:16] <rickspencer3> seb128, when a user does a fresh install, and tries to play an mp3 in rhythm box, does rhythm box prompt to install codecs? and if so, what package does it suggest?
[17:18] <seb128> rickspencer3, it should yes, right now I think all the availables choices
[17:18] <seb128> ie typically gst-plugins-ugly and gst-ffmpeg
[17:23] <rickspencer3> seb128, what about *-restricted-extras?
[17:23] <seb128> how is that used by gstreamer to play anything?
[17:23] <rickspencer3> I dunno
[17:23] <rickspencer3> I assumed it had codecs that gstreamer needed
[17:23] <seb128> well the depends system will pull in libraries used by the codecs
[17:24] <rickspencer3> at least, when I install it, I can play mp3s in rhythm box
[17:24] <seb128> it's not so crude
[17:24] <seb128> gstreamer reports what elements are missing exactly
[17:24] <seb128> and we install the packages which provide those
[17:25] <seb128> that's not specific to mp3 or mpeg or anything
[17:25] <seb128> it should work with any format or codec
[17:45] <fagan> mvo: is there any plans to sort programs in the installed programs section of the software center by when they were installed?
[17:45] <fagan> I think it would be useful
[17:46] <mvo> fagan: not currently, but I'm sure mpt is interessted in this isea
[17:46] <mvo> idea
[17:46] <mvo> fagan: we currently have not very good support for the notion of when it got installed though
[17:46] <mvo> but we are working on it
[18:30] <pitti> good night everyone!
[18:30] <chrisccoulson> 'night pitti
[20:16] <gabaug> Keybuk: is HAL going to be completely removed for Lucid?
[20:17] <Keybuk> it's already removed from the CD
[21:07] <chrisccoulson> hey seb128
[21:07] <seb128> hi chrisccoulson
[21:07] <seb128> how are you?
[21:08] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - yeah, not too bad thanks, but it's been a long day today
[21:08] <chrisccoulson> how are you?
[21:08] <seb128> good thanks
[21:08] <seb128> the day has been busy too there
[21:08] <seb128> I'm just back from sport and dinner
[21:22] <geser> seb128: could you please also give-back indicator-applet as you(?) promoted the missing lib to main. thanks
[21:22] <seb128> geser, will do
[21:28] <seb128> geser, done now
[21:29] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - i will have a couple of packages ready for sponsoring shortly (if you have time)
[21:30] <seb128> chrisccoulson, which ones?
[21:30] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - liboobs and gnome-system-tools
[21:30] <seb128> ok
[21:30] <seb128> you can't upload those?
[21:32] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - it doesn't look like it (http://paste.ubuntu.com/341448/)
[21:32] <seb128> could you try asking to cjwatson on #ubuntu-devel?
[21:32] <seb128> if he knows why you can't upload those
[21:38] <seb128> chrisccoulson, ?
[21:41] <seb128> kenvandine, do you know if pitti did the new indicator-application sponsoring?
[21:41] <kenvandine> seb128, i don't think he did
[21:41] <seb128> hum k
[21:41] <seb128> let me look at that now
[21:41] <kenvandine> seb128, i thought you were :)
[21:42] <seb128> I asked pitti if he was going to do it or if I should
[21:42] <seb128> and he didn't reply
[21:42] <seb128> and I forgot about it
[21:43] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - sorry, i had to disappear quickly there;)
[21:43] <seb128> chrisccoulson, oh no problem don't worry
[21:43] <seb128> I was just not sure you did read my lines since I didn't highlight you
[21:43] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i just read them now
[21:44] <seb128> I tend to miss things people write due to that sometime ;-)
[21:46] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i sometimes miss things too ;)
[21:56] <seb128> kenvandine, is indicator-application of any use right now in lucid?
[21:56] <kenvandine> yes
[21:56] <seb128> like anything using it or activating it in the default install?
[21:56] <kenvandine> yeah, rhythmbox
[21:56] <seb128> well the ppa version, not the lucid one
[21:56] <chrisccoulson> another indicator?
[21:56] <kenvandine> i will upload the patch after indicator-application lands
[21:56] <seb128> it will autoactivate?
[21:56] <kenvandine> yes
[21:56] <seb128> ok
[21:57] <seb128> I'm pondering doing the newing now or waiting for pitti to do it tomorrow
[21:57] <kenvandine> i didn't want yet another thing to be in depwait :)
[21:57] <kenvandine> tomorrow is fine
[21:57] <seb128> pitti did review the updated bzr right?
[21:57] <kenvandine> i just have to get rb uploaded by wed
[21:57] <kenvandine> yes
[21:57] <seb128> ok, let me new that now
[21:57] <kenvandine> thx
[21:57] <seb128> did pitti said anything about mir?
[21:57] <seb128> say
[21:58] <seb128> like should it be sent to universe, mired, etc
[21:58] <seb128> or should we send it direct to main and do paper work later?
[21:59] <seb128> robert_ancell, hey
[21:59] <robert_ancell> seb128, hey
[22:01] <kenvandine> seb128, he didn't actually
[22:01] <kenvandine> send it to universe
[22:01] <seb128> ok
[22:01] <seb128> we can as well wait tomorrow morning european time
[22:01] <kenvandine> i'll address the mir tomorrow
[22:01] <seb128> feel free to upload rhythmbox
[22:01] <seb128> we will get things sorted before you are up tomorrow
[22:02] <kenvandine> well that would depend on stuff in universe then :)
[22:02] <kenvandine> ok
[22:02] <seb128> I guess it can build without it
[22:02] <kenvandine> will do
[22:02] <kenvandine> no, it adds the build-depends
[22:02] <seb128> ok good
[22:02] <kenvandine> but atleast it will be uploaded :)
[22:03] <seb128> right and if it will build as soon as we sort the newing, etc
[22:04] <seb128> I will suggest to pitti to promote directly and do the paper work later
[22:04] <seb128> is anybody wanting to do the evolution-data-server, evolution, evolution-exchange updates?
[22:04] <seb128> bonus for rebasing on debian, evolution-data-server should be trivial to rebase
[22:04] <seb128> evolution-exchange too
[22:04] <seb128> robert_ancell, ^? ;-)
[22:05] <seb128> chrisccoulson, when do you think that your updates will be ready for upload?
[22:06] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - liboobs is in bzr and ready to go
[22:06] <kenvandine> seb128, uploaded rhythmbox
[22:06] <seb128> kenvandine, thanks
[22:06]  * kenvandine heads down to spend some time with the family, good night folks!
[22:06] <seb128> chrisccoulson, ok, sponsoring that now
[22:06] <chrisccoulson> g-s-t is in bzr too, but i'm just checking the build log here
[22:06] <seb128> kenvandine, have fun, see you tomorrow
[22:06] <seb128> chrisccoulson, ok
[22:08] <robert_ancell> seb128, what am I looking at?
[22:08] <seb128> robert_ancell, a screen?
[22:08] <robert_ancell> seb128, my screen starts at "kenvandine, is indicator-application of any use right now in lucid?"
[22:09] <seb128> robert_ancell, oh, the lines just before
[22:09] <seb128> the "is there anybody wanting to rebase and update evo"
[22:09] <seb128> in case you would be interested ;-)
[22:09] <robert_ancell> *cough* hell no
[22:09] <seb128> ok, was worth a try ;-)
[22:09] <robert_ancell> I'm sorry, I'm in OEM this cycle
[22:09] <seb128> yeah sure
[22:10] <seb128> doesn't hurt to ask
[22:10] <seb128> you did some complicates ones recently
[22:10] <seb128> so I was not sure how you were balancing your load
[22:10] <seb128> and using you 20% desktop too
[22:10] <seb128> but fair enough ;-)
[22:10] <chrisccoulson> is evo a big task then?
[22:10] <chrisccoulson> ;)
[22:10] <robert_ancell> I'm trying to do more OEM and less desktop.
[22:11] <seb128> no, e-d-s is probably half an hour work
[22:11] <seb128> evolution-exchange like a few minutes I would say
[22:11] <robert_ancell> seb128, I was looking at gnome-panel yesterday.  there's some odd blocking that goes on
[22:11] <seb128> evo is probably easy to update but might be harder to rebase
[22:11] <seb128> it's just that I'm trying to finish lot of things before end of year
[22:12] <seb128> and I still want to look at nautilus start this week
[22:12] <seb128> so I was trying to figure if somebody was interested by those
[22:13] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - i think g-s-t is ready to go now as well
[22:13] <seb128> chrisccoulson, ok cool
[22:14] <chrisccoulson> that ones a bit more complicated :)
[23:07] <chrisccoulson> the indicator applets showing "No indicators" is expected at the moment is it?
[23:10] <seb128> which one?
[23:10] <seb128> tedg, ^
[23:10] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - both of them show that at the moment
[23:11] <Sarvatt> ohh *thats* why I have that extra panel space all of the sudden :D
[23:11] <chrisccoulson> Sarvatt - extra panel space?
[23:11] <chrisccoulson> the text takes up more space here ;)
[23:12] <tedg> seb128: chrisccoulson: Hmm, that'd be a surprise.
[23:12] <chrisccoulson> i'm confused by all this indicator stuff
[23:13] <chrisccoulson> the package names are all too similar ;)
[23:13] <tedg> You could look at /usr/lib/indicators/3/ and see if there is any *.so in there.
[23:13] <chrisccoulson> tedg - yeah, there are 2 so files in there
[23:14] <tedg> Hmm, that's odd.
[23:14] <chrisccoulson> libmessaging.so and libsession.so
[23:14] <chrisccoulson> slangasek is seeing the same issue too
[23:14] <tedg> chrisccoulson: What is the version on teh about dialog of indicator-applet?
[23:14] <Sarvatt> the "no indicators" words are the same color as my panel, just looked blank
[23:15] <chrisccoulson> tedg - 0.1
[23:15] <tedg> chrisccoulson: Hmm, that's the problem.  It should be 0.3.0 :)
[23:15] <tedg> I wonder if that didn't get into Lucid.
[23:15] <seb128> tedg, you screwed the packaging there...
[23:16] <tedg> seb128: ?
[23:16] <seb128> tedg, it did but things build in order and I just kicked this back some hours ago
[23:16] <chrisccoulson> i might be using an out-of-date mirror perhaps
[23:16] <seb128> tedg, if some component update breaks the indicator it should have Breaks
[23:16] <seb128> use Breaks: indicator-applet (<< 0.3)
[23:17] <seb128> otherwise you get what you have now
[23:17] <tedg> seb128: Oh, okay.  I didn't know about Breaks
[23:17] <tedg> That actually solves a bunch of problems.
[23:17] <seb128> you can use Conflicts too
[23:17] <seb128> but Breaks is the correct on there
[23:18] <Sarvatt> is fsck on boot causing a failsafe x start 100% of the time for anyone else?
[23:18] <seb128> kenvandine, ^ the Breaks comment might be useful for you too
[23:21] <seb128> Sarvatt, dunno I don't have fsck running that often
[23:21] <seb128> never got xorg failing due to it though
[23:23] <Sarvatt> sudo tune2fs -C 100 /dev/sda1 then reboot puts me in failsafe 100% of the time here
[23:23] <Sarvatt> and failsafe is using vesa which doesnt work with KMS for me
[23:24] <seb128> I think #ubuntu-x was discussing vesa and kms before
[23:24] <seb128> oh I see you discussed that there
[23:26] <Sarvatt> yeah we're talking about it in there, i switched it to fbdev which works with KMS but fbdev doesnt work for some people, just seems like a gdm init problem outside of the whole vesa thing so I was asking in here
[23:26] <seb128> not idea about that right now, it would require some debugging
[23:26] <Sarvatt> I get this from the gdm log when it starts after the fsck http://paste.ubuntu.com/341495/