| mbana | i really want to fix the font hinting in TB 3 | 00:00 |
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| === BUGabundo1 is now known as BUGabundo | ||
| === BUGabundo1 is now known as BUGabundo | ||
| mbana | no one around to commment? | 00:25 |
| BUGabundo | seems not | 00:27 |
| maxinux61 | Does anyone know if there is a PPA for Thunderbird 3 | 02:15 |
| micahg | maxinux61: I have the last build in my PPa: https://edge.launchpad.net/~micahg/+archive/mozilla-test/ | 02:19 |
| micahg | it's still labeled shredder though | 02:19 |
| micahg | maxinux61: oops, wrong PPA | 02:19 |
| micahg | maxinux61: https://edge.launchpad.net/~micahg/+archive/mozilla-beta | 02:20 |
| maxinux61 | micahg: Many thanks! | 02:25 |
| maxinux61 | Micahg: How stable is the Firefox 3.6 in your PPA? | 03:03 |
| micahg | maxinux61: the one in the -beta PPA is FIrefox 3.6 Beta 5, I use it | 03:04 |
| maxinux61 | Cool, I will give it a try. Thanks again. | 03:04 |
| micahg | I find it faster than 3.5 with almost no problems | 03:04 |
| maxinux61 | Great. I have Thunderbird installed and running. It is great. | 03:05 |
| === asac_ is now known as asac | ||
| gnomefreak | i think i like this :) | 11:13 |
| gnomefreak | ok i like just some things need to be conversation | 11:18 |
| asac | hi gnomefreak | 11:19 |
| gnomefreak | asac: hi | 11:19 |
| asac | what do you like? | 11:19 |
| gnomefreak | lubuntu | 11:19 |
| asac | ah | 11:19 |
| asac | intersting | 11:19 |
| gnomefreak | brb there is another desktop (i think came with it) | 11:20 |
| fta | hi | 11:32 |
| fta | asac, you can copy the codecs now | 11:32 |
| asac | fta: already done | 11:37 |
| asac | they are already built | 11:37 |
| asac | chromium is now building | 11:37 |
| asac | https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-security/+archive/nss3.12.3/+packages | 11:37 |
| asac | fta: codecs might need some love for sparc/ppc/ia64 | 11:37 |
| fta | asac, well, chromium should be 1st, but it will be tough. i'm not candidate, i don't have access to those arches | 11:49 |
| gnomefreak | when i go to install something in debian chroot i get the following | 12:01 |
| gnomefreak | dpkg: unrecoverable fatal error, aborting: syntax error: unknown group 'Debian-exim' in statoverride file | 12:01 |
| gnomefreak | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2) | 12:01 |
| gnomefreak | how do i fix that. only debian chrrots give me that | 12:01 |
| asac | add a Debian-exim group? | 12:01 |
| asac | feels wrong though | 12:01 |
| gnomefreak | well that is kind of bad if i have to do that | 12:03 |
| gnomefreak | how do i add someone to a group on terminal. it cant hurt to try i guess | 12:04 |
| asac | gnomefreak: is that lucid? | 12:12 |
| asac | try setup karmic chroot and dist-upgrade to lucid then | 12:12 |
| gnomefreak | asac: the chroot is sid | 12:16 |
| gnomefreak | also happens on lenny. no ubuntu chroots have that issue | 12:16 |
| asac | hmm | 12:16 |
| asac | not sure | 12:16 |
| asac | havent installed it for ages ;) | 12:17 |
| asac | maybe debian is now using cdebootstrap by default? | 12:17 |
| gnomefreak | not sure maybe i will remove then and just have lucid and karmic chroots | 12:18 |
| fta | asac, were you able to debug your oh-snap on arm? | 12:32 |
| asac | fta: no. | 12:32 |
| asac | trashed stack | 12:32 |
| asac | infinite recursion in libc abort | 12:32 |
| asac | thats the only thing i could see | 12:32 |
| fta | doh | 12:32 |
| asac | but i am building latest upstream. afaik they | 12:32 |
| asac | landed arm stuff now again | 12:33 |
| asac | so i hope it just disappears | 12:33 |
| asac | otherwise have to check with doko how to tell the linker to actually dump the symbol that is "virtual" only | 12:33 |
| asac | so yeah. for now its a "pure virtual method called" ... | 12:33 |
| asac | which means that there is a C++ abstract virtual class that is not fully implemented for arm | 12:33 |
| asac | ether because a file is not compiled/linked in | 12:34 |
| asac | or its just not implemented | 12:34 |
| asac | i guess the former | 12:34 |
| asac | ... or we dont build everything | 12:35 |
| asac | which i hope isnt the case | 12:35 |
| asac | though to be sure i would need to build using upstream instructions i guess | 12:35 |
| asac | will try that once i get my USB disc working again on arm/ lucid | 12:35 |
| asac | atm its brokenish | 12:35 |
| asac | e.g. working on SD drives only ;) | 12:36 |
| fta | did you try in --single-process mode? | 12:36 |
| asac | yes | 12:38 |
| asac | same backgtrace | 12:38 |
| asac | inifite abort | 12:38 |
| asac | just crashing right away | 12:38 |
| fta | try to build in Debug mode then | 12:42 |
| asac | yeah | 12:46 |
| fta | updated http://code.google.com/p/chromium/wiki/ChromiumBrowserVsGoogleChrome | 12:52 |
| fta | http://code.google.com/p/chromium/wiki/LinuxChromiumPackages is starting to grow nicely | 12:53 |
| asac | "New releases are tested before sending to users" | 12:55 |
| fta | where? | 12:59 |
| fta | i can't say that for us as i publish directly in the ppa, so even if i make no announcement, it's available to anyone upgrading | 13:00 |
| fta | asac, fedora packaged gclient separately | 13:18 |
| fta | i didn't | 13:18 |
| fta | they're tracking v8 2.0.* | 13:19 |
| fta | and doing a shared build of chromium | 13:19 |
| fta | without ffmpeg | 13:19 |
| sindhudweep | asac: can you review (and merge if it meets your approval) https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~gnash/gnash/ubuntu.head/+merge/15590 when it is convenient? | 13:39 |
| asac | sindhudweep: this enables the kde4 backend again? | 14:12 |
| asac | or just enables it explicitly? | 14:13 |
| asac | is kdelibs5-dev the right thing to include for qt/kde stuff? | 14:13 |
| asac | isnt it something like xlibs-dev thats only their for developers | 14:13 |
| asac | but should be done more fine grained for packages (sorry, not up-to-date on kde packaging best practices) | 14:14 |
| asac | is kde4-gnash the only binary shipped/needed for that? | 14:14 |
| sindhudweep | asac: all good questions. I will look into each of those and get back to you with either fixes or a rationale for the points you made. | 15:07 |
| sindhudweep | thanks again. | 15:07 |
| mbana | asac: hello ... | 15:11 |
| mbana | do i need to restart TB 3 to see .fonts.conf changes | 15:11 |
| asac | mbana: yes | 15:17 |
| mbana | asac: please fonts your .confs online | 15:19 |
| asac | mine is zero | 15:20 |
| asac | nada | 15:21 |
| asac | non-existing | 15:21 |
| asac | only default system font configs | 15:21 |
| * asac lunch | 15:21 | |
| debfx | asac: could you please review my changes for the firefox kde integration? (bug #494067) | 16:12 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 494067 in xulrunner "Provide better Firefox KDE integration" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/494067 | 16:12 |
| asac | debfx: we need per-bug-per-attachment patches | 16:46 |
| asac | (upstream bug id + attachment id) | 16:46 |
| debfx | asac: the patches aren't on the mozilla bugtracker | 16:47 |
| asac | where are they? | 16:48 |
| debfx | http://gitorious.org/firefox-kde-opensuse/ | 16:50 |
| debfx | though I had to modify the patch a bit as opensuse based it on a patched xulrunner (https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=327323) | 16:53 |
| asac | debfx: then bnc patches? | 16:53 |
| ubottu | Mozilla bug 327323 in File Handling "Can't "Open with" files that are send as application/octet-stream (or other "unknown to firefox" mime types)" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] | 16:53 |
| debfx | asac: bnc? | 16:55 |
| mbana | asac: there's a bug if the rendering of TB 3 and FF 3.5 differ right? | 16:56 |
| asac | mbana: depends | 16:59 |
| asac | if both use system-cairo etc. then yes | 16:59 |
| asac | if one uses systme-cairo and the other in-source cairo ... its most likely because of that | 17:00 |
| asac | debfx: bnc ... like mentioned in gitoroius commits | 17:00 |
| asac | Use the mimetype for opening urls when known (bnc#556156) | 17:00 |
| asac | not sure if they have individual bugs | 17:01 |
| asac | in any case. can you check with the kde dev that does that? | 17:01 |
| asac | we need to get the patches at least in bugzilla | 17:01 |
| micahg | asac: regarding TB3, I targeted all the bugs I could find, so that I can make the changelog, but no result from the TB devs yet on which files I need for the -dev package | 17:07 |
| debfx | you want the kde dev to upload the patches to bugzilla? | 17:08 |
| asac | micahg: ok. | 17:21 |
| asac | _Tsk_: we have a problem with tb3 ... we need to provide a -dev package with the headers etc. | 17:21 |
| asac | howver, make install doesnt install that | 17:21 |
| micahg | asac: I tried copying the files we use in the TB2 package with no success | 17:22 |
| asac | not sure how to best do it. most likely we want the full sdk copyied | 17:22 |
| asac | micahg: upstream build system needs to be fixed to also install the sdk | 17:22 |
| micahg | ah, ok | 17:22 |
| micahg | I think you mentioned that before | 17:23 |
| mbana | asac: does TB 3 use the it's own cairo? | 17:24 |
| mbana | from the ppa | 17:24 |
| micahg | mbana: 3.0 uses system cairo on karmic and higher | 17:25 |
| mbana | so that probably explains it. the TB 3 from mozilla and from the ppa render the same | 17:25 |
| mbana | no anti-aliasing | 17:26 |
| mbana | i'm using jaunty | 17:26 |
| micahg | yep, that sounds right :) | 17:26 |
| micahg | asac: I should probably file a bug on b.m.o for the SDK to be installed | 17:27 |
| asac | mbana: for non-system-cairo fonts are worse | 17:28 |
| asac | you should use karmic | 17:28 |
| asac | tb3 wont be for jaunty anyway | 17:28 |
| mbana | ah man! that's a complete pain. i hate updating | 17:29 |
| mbana | is there no workaround? | 17:29 |
| asac | not that i know. | 17:30 |
| asac | micahg: yes. | 17:31 |
| asac | ok out | 17:32 |
| asac | bbi 2h | 17:32 |
| micahg | asac: mozilla bug 534651 | 17:36 |
| ubottu | Mozilla bug 534651 in Build Config "make install should install the SDK for Thunderbird 3" [Normal,New] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=534651 | 17:36 |
| asac | thx | 17:40 |
| mbana | how about backports? installing a newer ver. onto an old distro | 17:41 |
| asac | thats bad | 17:42 |
| asac | you need a new gtk + cairo | 17:42 |
| asac | might cause issues for other apps | 17:42 |
| _Tsk_ | asac: how do you usualy build it for ff ? | 17:44 |
| asac | _Tsk_: ffox does not have specific headers, we use xulrunner | 17:44 |
| asac | thats what is providing the sdk | 17:45 |
| asac | i am not sure if firefox standalong would do the right thing on make install | 17:45 |
| asac | but i would hope yes. | 17:45 |
| _Tsk_ | ppl in #maildev will be on the spot better than I will | 17:45 |
| asac | though might be its only happening for xulrunner build | 17:45 |
| asac | yes. out though ;) | 17:45 |
| * asac bounces back and froth from action to computer atm | 17:45 | |
| asac | i will check in maildev when i return | 17:45 |
| * asac out 100% | 17:46 | |
| mbana | when is hte next ubuntu LTS release? | 17:47 |
| asac | this | 17:49 |
| asac | release | 17:50 |
| * asac out 110% | 17:50 | |
| asac | ;) | 17:50 |
| micahg | mbana: Lucid in April | 17:50 |
| * micahg will bbiab | 17:50 | |
| mbana | why didn't it occur to build TB 3 with system cairo on <karmic | 17:51 |
| mbana | i found this https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=458612 | 17:53 |
| mbana | (Ubuntu) system fontconfig settings override GNOME font rendering screen settings | 17:54 |
| ubottu | Mozilla bug 458612 in Graphics "(Ubuntu) system fontconfig settings override GNOME font rendering screen settings" [Normal,Resolved: invalid] | 17:54 |
| mbana | ok too risky to update | 18:00 |
| mbana | thanks for the help tho | 18:00 |
| mbana | wish me luck | 18:09 |
| mbana | i'll upgrade | 18:09 |
| fta | lol, http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/6fd4bb500d425c406c1b52f66e5b195b20ae5e0a | 19:33 |
| Mook_sb | yeah, they're using chromium for IPC for out-of-process stuff | 19:39 |
| fta | chromium also uses some parts of moz, like libnss and a subset of the testsuite | 19:45 |
| mbana | asac: ok i've upgraded :). biggest problem, not that i'm expecting you fix it, the cursor is constantly showing the busy | 20:52 |
| mbana | even tho nothing is running in the back. | 20:52 |
| mbana | anyhow, | 20:52 |
| mbana | about TB 3.0 | 20:52 |
| jdstrand | asac, fta: so, I need to get the apparmor stuff into firefox-3.6 for karmic. what is the best way to do that, and how do I ensure that 3.7, 3.8, etc have these changes moving forward? | 21:45 |
| jdstrand | asac, fta: hi btw! | 21:45 |
| jdstrand | I'm working in lp:firefox/3.6 right now for lucid | 21:46 |
| jdstrand | once I have that tested, I'll commit and then want to get that work into the future 3.6 branch for karmic | 21:46 |
| micahg | jdstrand: karmic is 3.5 right now | 21:48 |
| jdstrand | micahg: I'm aware of that, but 3.5 is EOLd soon and I need to make sure that 3.6 will have the profile | 21:49 |
| micahg | jdstrand: I think all that stuff is moved at release time for the branch | 21:50 |
| fta | jdstrand, when 3.8 will appear, we'll branch 3.7, so if it's in 3.7, we'll get it. but once it's branched, each update will have to be done in all branches :( | 21:50 |
| * jdstrand makes notes to get at least something into 3.8... | 21:50 | |
| jdstrand | s/notes/note | 21:50 |
| jdstrand | fta: do you have an eta on 3.8? | 21:51 |
| micahg | jdstrand: yeah, it looks like the apparmor/.desktop translation is only on 3.5 right now | 21:51 |
| jdstrand | fta: once I test things, I'll get it all into 3.7 and 3.6 | 21:52 |
| jdstrand | is this where all the branches I should care about live? https://code.launchpad.net/~mozillateam | 21:52 |
| fta | if it's generic enough, it could be done with a cherry pick.. | 21:53 |
| fta | yes, all the .head branches | 21:53 |
| jdstrand | gotcha | 21:53 |
| jdstrand | fta: I am making it generic, yes | 21:53 |
| fta | good | 21:53 |
| fta | i like it when it's generic | 21:54 |
| jdstrand | APPNAME ftw | 21:54 |
| jdstrand | :) | 21:54 |
| fta | yep :) | 21:54 |
| micahg | fta: I think we should keep the stuff like profiles only in the current release branch so they don't have to be updated constantly | 21:54 |
| jdstrand | I'm not sure that is wise | 21:54 |
| fta | micahg, apparmor should be everywhere | 21:55 |
| micahg | fta: ok, so then on the branches, it'll be usr.bin.firefox-3.6? | 21:55 |
| micahg | etc.. | 21:55 |
| jdstrand | fta: so based on this, if I get my changes into 3.6.head then when you branch that for when 3.5 is EOLd, it should just be there? | 21:56 |
| fta | yes, some subst could help, like for APPNAME | 21:56 |
| fta | eh? | 21:56 |
| jdstrand | fyi, the packaging for the profile is usr.bin.firefox.apparmor.in | 21:57 |
| fta | yes, once 3.6 gets released, it will be branched from 3.6.head so it wil have apparmor too | 21:57 |
| jdstrand | it is generic too | 21:57 |
| jdstrand | excellent | 21:57 |
| jdstrand | fta: can you point me in the right direction for getting the source to build 3.6 on lucid (or karmic, I don't care)? | 21:58 |
| fta | the daily ppa is the best we have, you just have to update changelog with the version currently in the daily ppa | 21:59 |
| fta | update changelog.. in 3.6.head | 21:59 |
| jdstrand | sure, that was my thoughts too | 21:59 |
| jdstrand | well, I'm not comitting anything to 3.6 just yet ;) | 22:00 |
| jdstrand | fta: thanks for all your help! | 22:00 |
| fta | thank *you* for improving our security :) | 22:00 |
| jdstrand | :) | 22:01 |
| micahg | jdstrand: is the FF profile going to be enabled by default in Lucid? | 22:02 |
| jdstrand | micahg: the plan is to turn it on be default during the dev cycle, then decide afterwards | 22:03 |
| jdstrand | micahg: a few things need to happen first though | 22:03 |
| jdstrand | mostly so people have some idea of why things aren't working if they get a denial | 22:04 |
| BUGabundo | guys sorry for the spam but ben laughing so hard with this site, I had to share http://akinator.com/ | 22:16 |
| mbana | BUGabundo: hello | 22:18 |
| BUGabundo | hey mbana | 22:18 |
| === iggy1 is now known as Iggy1 | ||
| fta | BUGabundo, I won once | 22:29 |
| BUGabundo | LOL | 22:29 |
| BUGabundo | just once? | 22:29 |
| BUGabundo | how many did you lose? | 22:29 |
| fta | 5 | 22:31 |
| BUGabundo | ehehe | 22:32 |
| BUGabundo | who did it misss? | 22:32 |
| mbana | BUGabundo: so you said, if i don't make TB copy the email i sent into my gmail folder, it'll show it in the thread when i'm browsing in both gmail and TB? | 22:39 |
| BUGabundo | its supposed to, yes | 22:40 |
| fta | BUGabundo, it's easy to do, it's just an expert system | 22:43 |
| BUGabundo | true | 22:45 |
| BUGabundo | but very complete | 22:45 |
| mbana | BUGabundo: mmmmm ... it works :) thanks | 22:52 |
| BUGabundo | I know it does :=) | 22:54 |
| mbana | BUGabundo: how do you handle deleting? | 23:04 |
| BUGabundo | move to trash | 23:04 |
| BUGabundo | anything else and it will archive them | 23:05 |
| BUGabundo | and by trash I mean the TRUE gmail trash folder | 23:05 |
| BUGabundo | not one faked by TB | 23:05 |
| mbana | BUGabundo: do you mean "move it to the deleted folder"? | 23:17 |
| BUGabundo | no | 23:19 |
| BUGabundo | to Trash folder | 23:19 |
| mbana | is that a TB 3 specific settings? | 23:20 |
| BUGabundo | no | 23:21 |
| BUGabundo | its a gmail imap folder | 23:21 |
| mbana | it's gets labelled something like [iamp/trash] ... right? | 23:25 |
| BUGabundo | no | 23:26 |
| mbana | is this a bug; 1. delete the email in thunderbird. 2. go into gmail and remove the [imap/trash] label. 3. it appears in the inbox now in gmail. 4. go to TB, it's no longer in the thread | 23:26 |
| BUGabundo | that's a Fake foldr | 23:26 |
| BUGabundo | at least on TB2 | 23:26 |
| mbana | ok it seems like it's only available on tb 3 | 23:27 |
| mbana | few more questions ;) | 23:53 |
| mbana | is it possible to get rid of the -- before the signature | 23:53 |
| BUGabundo | why would you ? | 23:55 |
| BUGabundo | that's what makes a sig a sig | 23:55 |
| BUGabundo | its the beginning of a sig | 23:55 |
| BUGabundo | dash dash space | 23:55 |
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