[00:00] i really want to fix the font hinting in TB 3 === BUGabundo1 is now known as BUGabundo === BUGabundo1 is now known as BUGabundo [00:25] no one around to commment? [00:27] seems not [02:15] Does anyone know if there is a PPA for Thunderbird 3 [02:19] maxinux61: I have the last build in my PPa: https://edge.launchpad.net/~micahg/+archive/mozilla-test/ [02:19] it's still labeled shredder though [02:19] maxinux61: oops, wrong PPA [02:20] maxinux61: https://edge.launchpad.net/~micahg/+archive/mozilla-beta [02:25] micahg: Many thanks! [03:03] Micahg: How stable is the Firefox 3.6 in your PPA? [03:04] maxinux61: the one in the -beta PPA is FIrefox 3.6 Beta 5, I use it [03:04] Cool, I will give it a try. Thanks again. [03:04] I find it faster than 3.5 with almost no problems [03:05] Great. I have Thunderbird installed and running. It is great. === asac_ is now known as asac [11:13] i think i like this :) [11:18] ok i like just some things need to be conversation [11:19] hi gnomefreak [11:19] asac: hi [11:19] what do you like? [11:19] lubuntu [11:19] ah [11:19] intersting [11:20] brb there is another desktop (i think came with it) [11:32] hi [11:32] asac, you can copy the codecs now [11:37] fta: already done [11:37] they are already built [11:37] chromium is now building [11:37] https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-security/+archive/nss3.12.3/+packages [11:37] fta: codecs might need some love for sparc/ppc/ia64 [11:49] asac, well, chromium should be 1st, but it will be tough. i'm not candidate, i don't have access to those arches [12:01] when i go to install something in debian chroot i get the following [12:01] dpkg: unrecoverable fatal error, aborting: syntax error: unknown group 'Debian-exim' in statoverride file [12:01] E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2) [12:01] how do i fix that. only debian chrrots give me that [12:01] add a Debian-exim group? [12:01] feels wrong though [12:03] well that is kind of bad if i have to do that [12:04] how do i add someone to a group on terminal. it cant hurt to try i guess [12:12] gnomefreak: is that lucid? [12:12] try setup karmic chroot and dist-upgrade to lucid then [12:16] asac: the chroot is sid [12:16] also happens on lenny. no ubuntu chroots have that issue [12:16] hmm [12:16] not sure [12:17] havent installed it for ages ;) [12:17] maybe debian is now using cdebootstrap by default? [12:18] not sure maybe i will remove then and just have lucid and karmic chroots [12:32] asac, were you able to debug your oh-snap on arm? [12:32] fta: no. [12:32] trashed stack [12:32] infinite recursion in libc abort [12:32] thats the only thing i could see [12:32] doh [12:32] but i am building latest upstream. afaik they [12:33] landed arm stuff now again [12:33] so i hope it just disappears [12:33] otherwise have to check with doko how to tell the linker to actually dump the symbol that is "virtual" only [12:33] so yeah. for now its a "pure virtual method called" ... [12:33] which means that there is a C++ abstract virtual class that is not fully implemented for arm [12:34] ether because a file is not compiled/linked in [12:34] or its just not implemented [12:34] i guess the former [12:35] ... or we dont build everything [12:35] which i hope isnt the case [12:35] though to be sure i would need to build using upstream instructions i guess [12:35] will try that once i get my USB disc working again on arm/ lucid [12:35] atm its brokenish [12:36] e.g. working on SD drives only ;) [12:36] did you try in --single-process mode? [12:38] yes [12:38] same backgtrace [12:38] inifite abort [12:38] just crashing right away [12:42] try to build in Debug mode then [12:46] yeah [12:52] updated http://code.google.com/p/chromium/wiki/ChromiumBrowserVsGoogleChrome [12:53] http://code.google.com/p/chromium/wiki/LinuxChromiumPackages is starting to grow nicely [12:55] "New releases are tested before sending to users" [12:59] where? [13:00] i can't say that for us as i publish directly in the ppa, so even if i make no announcement, it's available to anyone upgrading [13:18] asac, fedora packaged gclient separately [13:18] i didn't [13:19] they're tracking v8 2.0.* [13:19] and doing a shared build of chromium [13:19] without ffmpeg [13:39] asac: can you review (and merge if it meets your approval) https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~gnash/gnash/ubuntu.head/+merge/15590 when it is convenient? [14:12] sindhudweep: this enables the kde4 backend again? [14:13] or just enables it explicitly? [14:13] is kdelibs5-dev the right thing to include for qt/kde stuff? [14:13] isnt it something like xlibs-dev thats only their for developers [14:14] but should be done more fine grained for packages (sorry, not up-to-date on kde packaging best practices) [14:14] is kde4-gnash the only binary shipped/needed for that? [15:07] asac: all good questions. I will look into each of those and get back to you with either fixes or a rationale for the points you made. [15:07] thanks again. [15:11] asac: hello ... [15:11] do i need to restart TB 3 to see .fonts.conf changes [15:17] mbana: yes [15:19] asac: please fonts your .confs online [15:20] mine is zero [15:21] nada [15:21] non-existing [15:21] only default system font configs [15:21] * asac lunch [16:12] asac: could you please review my changes for the firefox kde integration? (bug #494067) [16:12] Launchpad bug 494067 in xulrunner "Provide better Firefox KDE integration" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/494067 [16:46] debfx: we need per-bug-per-attachment patches [16:46] (upstream bug id + attachment id) [16:47] asac: the patches aren't on the mozilla bugtracker [16:48] where are they? [16:50] http://gitorious.org/firefox-kde-opensuse/ [16:53] though I had to modify the patch a bit as opensuse based it on a patched xulrunner (https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=327323) [16:53] debfx: then bnc patches? [16:53] Mozilla bug 327323 in File Handling "Can't "Open with" files that are send as application/octet-stream (or other "unknown to firefox" mime types)" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] [16:55] asac: bnc? [16:56] asac: there's a bug if the rendering of TB 3 and FF 3.5 differ right? [16:59] mbana: depends [16:59] if both use system-cairo etc. then yes [17:00] if one uses systme-cairo and the other in-source cairo ... its most likely because of that [17:00] debfx: bnc ... like mentioned in gitoroius commits [17:00] Use the mimetype for opening urls when known (bnc#556156) [17:01] not sure if they have individual bugs [17:01] in any case. can you check with the kde dev that does that? [17:01] we need to get the patches at least in bugzilla [17:07] asac: regarding TB3, I targeted all the bugs I could find, so that I can make the changelog, but no result from the TB devs yet on which files I need for the -dev package [17:08] you want the kde dev to upload the patches to bugzilla? [17:21] micahg: ok. [17:21] _Tsk_: we have a problem with tb3 ... we need to provide a -dev package with the headers etc. [17:21] howver, make install doesnt install that [17:22] asac: I tried copying the files we use in the TB2 package with no success [17:22] not sure how to best do it. most likely we want the full sdk copyied [17:22] micahg: upstream build system needs to be fixed to also install the sdk [17:22] ah, ok [17:23] I think you mentioned that before [17:24] asac: does TB 3 use the it's own cairo? [17:24] from the ppa [17:25] mbana: 3.0 uses system cairo on karmic and higher [17:25] so that probably explains it. the TB 3 from mozilla and from the ppa render the same [17:26] no anti-aliasing [17:26] i'm using jaunty [17:26] yep, that sounds right :) [17:27] asac: I should probably file a bug on b.m.o for the SDK to be installed [17:28] mbana: for non-system-cairo fonts are worse [17:28] you should use karmic [17:28] tb3 wont be for jaunty anyway [17:29] ah man! that's a complete pain. i hate updating [17:29] is there no workaround? [17:30] not that i know. [17:31] micahg: yes. [17:32] ok out [17:32] bbi 2h [17:36] asac: mozilla bug 534651 [17:36] Mozilla bug 534651 in Build Config "make install should install the SDK for Thunderbird 3" [Normal,New] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=534651 [17:40] thx [17:41] how about backports? installing a newer ver. onto an old distro [17:42] thats bad [17:42] you need a new gtk + cairo [17:42] might cause issues for other apps [17:44] <_Tsk_> asac: how do you usualy build it for ff ? [17:44] _Tsk_: ffox does not have specific headers, we use xulrunner [17:45] thats what is providing the sdk [17:45] i am not sure if firefox standalong would do the right thing on make install [17:45] but i would hope yes. [17:45] <_Tsk_> ppl in #maildev will be on the spot better than I will [17:45] though might be its only happening for xulrunner build [17:45] yes. out though ;) [17:45] * asac bounces back and froth from action to computer atm [17:45] i will check in maildev when i return [17:46] * asac out 100% [17:47] when is hte next ubuntu LTS release? [17:49] this [17:50] release [17:50] * asac out 110% [17:50] ;) [17:50] mbana: Lucid in April [17:50] * micahg will bbiab [17:51] why didn't it occur to build TB 3 with system cairo on i found this https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=458612 [17:54] (Ubuntu) system fontconfig settings override GNOME font rendering screen settings [17:54] Mozilla bug 458612 in Graphics "(Ubuntu) system fontconfig settings override GNOME font rendering screen settings" [Normal,Resolved: invalid] [18:00] ok too risky to update [18:00] thanks for the help tho [18:09] wish me luck [18:09] i'll upgrade [19:33] lol, http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/6fd4bb500d425c406c1b52f66e5b195b20ae5e0a [19:39] yeah, they're using chromium for IPC for out-of-process stuff [19:45] chromium also uses some parts of moz, like libnss and a subset of the testsuite [20:52] asac: ok i've upgraded :). biggest problem, not that i'm expecting you fix it, the cursor is constantly showing the busy [20:52] even tho nothing is running in the back. [20:52] anyhow, [20:52] about TB 3.0 [21:45] asac, fta: so, I need to get the apparmor stuff into firefox-3.6 for karmic. what is the best way to do that, and how do I ensure that 3.7, 3.8, etc have these changes moving forward? [21:45] asac, fta: hi btw! [21:46] I'm working in lp:firefox/3.6 right now for lucid [21:46] once I have that tested, I'll commit and then want to get that work into the future 3.6 branch for karmic [21:48] jdstrand: karmic is 3.5 right now [21:49] micahg: I'm aware of that, but 3.5 is EOLd soon and I need to make sure that 3.6 will have the profile [21:50] jdstrand: I think all that stuff is moved at release time for the branch [21:50] jdstrand, when 3.8 will appear, we'll branch 3.7, so if it's in 3.7, we'll get it. but once it's branched, each update will have to be done in all branches :( [21:50] * jdstrand makes notes to get at least something into 3.8... [21:50] s/notes/note [21:51] fta: do you have an eta on 3.8? [21:51] jdstrand: yeah, it looks like the apparmor/.desktop translation is only on 3.5 right now [21:52] fta: once I test things, I'll get it all into 3.7 and 3.6 [21:52] is this where all the branches I should care about live? https://code.launchpad.net/~mozillateam [21:53] if it's generic enough, it could be done with a cherry pick.. [21:53] yes, all the .head branches [21:53] gotcha [21:53] fta: I am making it generic, yes [21:53] good [21:54] i like it when it's generic [21:54] APPNAME ftw [21:54] :) [21:54] yep :) [21:54] fta: I think we should keep the stuff like profiles only in the current release branch so they don't have to be updated constantly [21:54] I'm not sure that is wise [21:55] micahg, apparmor should be everywhere [21:55] fta: ok, so then on the branches, it'll be usr.bin.firefox-3.6? [21:55] etc.. [21:56] fta: so based on this, if I get my changes into 3.6.head then when you branch that for when 3.5 is EOLd, it should just be there? [21:56] yes, some subst could help, like for APPNAME [21:56] eh? [21:57] fyi, the packaging for the profile is usr.bin.firefox.apparmor.in [21:57] yes, once 3.6 gets released, it will be branched from 3.6.head so it wil have apparmor too [21:57] it is generic too [21:57] excellent [21:58] fta: can you point me in the right direction for getting the source to build 3.6 on lucid (or karmic, I don't care)? [21:59] the daily ppa is the best we have, you just have to update changelog with the version currently in the daily ppa [21:59] update changelog.. in 3.6.head [21:59] sure, that was my thoughts too [22:00] well, I'm not comitting anything to 3.6 just yet ;) [22:00] fta: thanks for all your help! [22:00] thank *you* for improving our security :) [22:01] :) [22:02] jdstrand: is the FF profile going to be enabled by default in Lucid? [22:03] micahg: the plan is to turn it on be default during the dev cycle, then decide afterwards [22:03] micahg: a few things need to happen first though [22:04] mostly so people have some idea of why things aren't working if they get a denial [22:16] guys sorry for the spam but ben laughing so hard with this site, I had to share http://akinator.com/ [22:18] BUGabundo: hello [22:18] hey mbana === iggy1 is now known as Iggy1 [22:29] BUGabundo, I won once [22:29] LOL [22:29] just once? [22:29] how many did you lose? [22:31] 5 [22:32] ehehe [22:32] who did it misss? [22:39] BUGabundo: so you said, if i don't make TB copy the email i sent into my gmail folder, it'll show it in the thread when i'm browsing in both gmail and TB? [22:40] its supposed to, yes [22:43] BUGabundo, it's easy to do, it's just an expert system [22:45] true [22:45] but very complete [22:52] BUGabundo: mmmmm ... it works :) thanks [22:54] I know it does :=) [23:04] BUGabundo: how do you handle deleting? [23:04] move to trash [23:05] anything else and it will archive them [23:05] and by trash I mean the TRUE gmail trash folder [23:05] not one faked by TB [23:17] BUGabundo: do you mean "move it to the deleted folder"? [23:19] no [23:19] to Trash folder [23:20] is that a TB 3 specific settings? [23:21] no [23:21] its a gmail imap folder [23:25] it's gets labelled something like [iamp/trash] ... right? [23:26] no [23:26] is this a bug; 1. delete the email in thunderbird. 2. go into gmail and remove the [imap/trash] label. 3. it appears in the inbox now in gmail. 4. go to TB, it's no longer in the thread [23:26] that's a Fake foldr [23:26] at least on TB2 [23:27] ok it seems like it's only available on tb 3 [23:53] few more questions ;) [23:53] is it possible to get rid of the -- before the signature [23:55] why would you ? [23:55] that's what makes a sig a sig [23:55] its the beginning of a sig [23:55] dash dash space