[01:58]  * fagan needs to talk to marjo tomorrow because I have an idea about a qa news thing
[02:01] <persia> fagan: What's the idea? (and wouldn't -quality be a better channel)?
[02:04] <czajkowski> persia: aloha
[02:05] <persia> Hey czajkowski
[02:06] <fagan> persia: I just want to make an "application" for qa
[02:06] <fagan> just to display what needs testing
[02:06] <fagan> I just realised that chrome has an easy way to do just that
[02:07] <fagan> jcastro is doing something just like that
[02:07] <fagan> he made a package with gmail..etc and it installs them into the menu and opens them like normal applicaions in the menu
[02:08] <persia> Bascially, some notification that tells the user what stuff is up for testing?
[02:08] <fagan> well yep
[02:08] <fagan> they just go to the menu and click ubuntu testing and it opens a page with a list
[02:09] <persia> Well, if you're just referencing some website (which can be simple or complex), using a chromium hook or prism is a reasonable solution.
[02:09] <persia> But that won't give you push-notifications.
[02:09] <persia> You could do something with RSS, perhaps, so subscribers would be notified.
[02:09] <persia> Or a panel applet that would send a notification.
[02:09] <fagan> well that was my original idea
[02:09] <persia> There was a UDS session about this sort of thing, if I remember correctly
[02:09]  * persia checks
[02:10] <fagan> to do a full on program that notifies
[02:10] <fagan> but that would be a lot of effort for developers
[02:10] <fagan> persia: we had one to increase participation in testing
[02:11] <persia> Well, not necessarily.  There's free code out there to do 95% of anything above.
[02:11] <fagan> It would be effort for the developers asking for the testing
[02:11] <fagan> the way im suggesting all we need is a wiki
[02:11] <persia> Right.   https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Specs/TestingTeam
[02:13] <fagan> we talked about it in the qa meeting last week, so all we need to do is let everyone know where the wiki is and get them to add to it
[02:13] <fagan> that would make it simple on everyone
[02:15] <fagan> I just want to know which way would be best the simple way or the harder yet could be better way
[02:15] <persia> That would certainly help.
[02:16] <persia> My personal recommendation is to engage bugsquad and #ubuntu for specific things.
[02:16] <fagan> So we could include a program for testing releases that just points to info about what needs testing
[02:16] <persia> There's usually lots of people who wouldn't mind helping with something small, but aren't sure they can commit to being a regular part of the team.
[02:16] <fagan> thats the idea
[02:17] <fagan> anyway im off to bed its late
[02:17] <persia> Good night.
[06:24] <ara> good morning all!
[06:25] <drizzle> morning
[06:25] <Grantbow> good evenign ara!
[06:25] <Grantbow> *evening
[06:26] <ara> hey Grantbow :)
[06:27] <Grantbow> ara: We finished our evening LoCo meeting.  It's almost 22:30 here
[06:28] <ara> Grantbow, nice, how did it go?
[06:29] <Grantbow> ara: made made some progress.  akgraner and I mentioned testing and fielded a few questions
[06:29] <Grantbow> not sure if the log is online yet.
[06:29] <ara> Grantbow, was it at #ubuntu-meeting?
[06:33] <Grantbow> no, #ubuntu-california
[06:33] <Grantbow> I'm working on posting the meeting to our wiki page
[06:33] <Grantbow> It will be here in a little while https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/09December13
[06:43] <ara> Grantbow, OK, I will read it later today :-)
[06:44] <ara> Grantbow, I have seen that you are coordinating with ScottRitchie for the wiki changes, that's awesome :)
[06:46] <Grantbow> ara: He and I met twice here in California last week and talked about changes, yeah.
[06:46] <ara> Grantbow, nice :)
[07:47] <ara> mvo, morning
[07:47] <mvo> hey ara! good morning
[07:48] <ara> mvo, I plan to upgrade my main machine today to Lucid, are there any "don't do it" bugs around I might know?
[07:50] <mvo> ara: http://people.ubuntu.com/~mvo/automatic-upgrade-testing/
[07:50] <mvo> ara: results from yesterday look ok :)
[07:50] <ara> mvo, nice, thanks!
[07:50] <mvo> ara: I haven't done bug triage this monring yet, if you wait ~2-3h more, than I can say more, but I suspect its ok
[07:51] <ara> mvo, OK, I guess I can wait :)
[07:59] <Grantbow> ara: luckily the announcements went first.  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/09December13
[08:00] <ara> Grantbow, cool
[08:23] <fagan> morning
[08:24] <fagan> ara: cool idea using http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/Applications
[08:26] <ara> morning fagan
[08:30] <ara> fagan, I just replied again. I think Regression Testing is a better term for what Scott's is explaining
[08:36] <fagan> ara: I have a package made on my local machine that makes an applicaion (using chrome) for to go to http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/Applications
[08:36] <fagan> it just points to the wiki
[08:37] <ara> fagan, :-)
[08:37] <fagan> I stole the idea from jcastro
[08:38] <fagan> he did it for gmail..etc, I just changed the address
[08:42] <fagan> ara: it looks like this http://twitpic.com/tgxzg
[08:42] <fagan> hehe
[08:43] <ara> nice :)
[08:43] <ara> watching the big bang theory :D
[08:43] <fagan> actually same here
[08:43] <fagan> weird :)
[08:45] <ara> fagan, no, I meant that YOU are watching :D
[08:46] <ara> fagan, I saw it in your screenshot
[08:46] <fagan> Oh hehe
[08:47] <fagan> im just keeping busy before college
[08:48]  * fagan is testing totem in lucid too :D
[09:34] <davmor2> Morning All
[09:39] <czajkowski> Aloha
[10:09] <davmor2> czajkowski: how's things
[10:10] <czajkowski> davmor2: not bad thanks, yourself?
[10:11] <davmor2> cool thanks
[10:26] <ara> hey davmor2, czajkowski
[10:54] <davmor2> ara: how's things?
[10:54] <ara> davmor2, good thanks :-) upgrading to lucid now :)
[11:03] <czajkowski> I'm gonna hold off a bit
[11:03] <czajkowski> I want my mini 9 hardy to upgrade to lucid.
[11:12] <davmor2> ara: looks like it worked then
[11:13] <ara> well, more or less...  let's start seeing if every thing works...
[11:13] <ara> to start with... nvidia drivers were not activated by default
[11:13] <ara> is that normal, mvo? ^
[11:14] <ara> sounds works, \o/
[11:17] <davmor2> ara: you make it sound like the sound didn't :)
[11:20]  * ara types ubuntu-bug xorg 
[11:24] <ara> launchpad times out :-) nice....
[11:24] <ara> morning pedro_
[11:25] <pedro_> hi ara, good morning!
[11:34] <ara> dist-upgrade happiness (bug 496497)
[11:34] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 496497 in xorg "[nvidia] After upgrading to Lucid from Karmic, X crashed " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/496497
[11:38]  * ara reboots
[12:21] <fagan> ara: the nvidia thing is the driver not being packaged well if you use the one from their website it works
[12:22] <fagan> The only problem I have is the new RGBA stuff that the desktop team want testing
[12:24] <ara> thanks fagan, I saw that. I will wait for ubuntu packages later this week
[12:25] <fagan> That is going to be a nightmare to test
[12:39]  * ara -> lunch
[13:52] <davmor2> morning fader_ cr3
[13:52] <fader_> davmor2: Howdy dude
[13:53] <ara> morning fader_, cr3
[13:53] <cr3> hiya folks!
[13:53] <fader_> ara: Good morning :)
[13:54] <fader_> cr3: Aren't you on holiday today?
[13:54] <davmor2> fader_: he's a glutton for punishment
[13:54] <fader_> davmor2: He just couldn't stay away from you, I think
[13:54] <fader_> Or he wants a baguette.
[13:55] <fader_> Er, s/baguette/croissant/
[13:55] <cr3> fader_: yep, this is holiday time for me! however, I need to finish some salesforce work today, so here I am
[14:07] <moustafa> fader_, cr3, davmor2: Je voudrais un croissant!
[14:07] <cr3> moustafa: what?
[14:07] <fader_> cr3: He's very popular.
[14:08] <moustafa> Really, I'd like a croissant, but the people downstairs are serving breakfast and they're making me feel bad for wanting to go to the little cafeteria and get a croissant
[14:08] <cr3> fader_: we get free grub (not the boot loader) and coffee in the office building today, now you know why I come to the office on my holidays
[14:09] <fader_> Hehe
[14:09] <cr3> "free" is my favorite flavour
[14:10] <davmor2> morning moustafa
[14:12]  * davmor2 has coffee on tap all day :D
[14:13] <cr3> moustafa: the frogurt is cursed
[14:16] <moustafa> http://www.crispygamer.com/comics/backward/backward-2009-10-12.aspx
[14:41] <davmor2> moustafa: rebbit
[14:43] <moustafa> davmor2: I take it you tried the "open sorcery" term on a time-travelling sorcerer?
[14:43] <davmor2> rebbit
[14:44] <moustafa> davmor2: We're contacting the nearest princess to come for the cure, so if I were you, I'd pray she's pretty
[14:44] <davmor2> :D that's quite a good old joke
[14:48] <moustafa> cr3: Perl was coded by a madman
[14:50] <davmor2> moustafa:  cr3 didn't code perl at all take that back instantly ;)
[14:50] <moustafa> davmor2: Then allow me to correct myself: Perl was coded by another madman
[14:51] <cr3> davmor2: I knew the interpreter inside out though, enough to extend the language to encrypt programs for commercial distribution.
[14:51] <cr3> davmor2: so, the fact I could relate to the source code of the interpreter so well might suggest there is more than one madman in this world
[14:52] <davmor2> cr3: allow me to introduce you to barbie at the birmingham perl mongers sometime :D
[14:53] <cr3> I love how the perl community is so colourful!
[14:54] <moustafa> davmor2: Perl mongers?  Why is it that I imagine they wear heavy war armour when they meet.  Alternatively, why is it I see geeks in armani suits trying to sell Perl to warring countries?
[14:57] <valix> hi all
[14:57] <moustafa> Hello valix
[16:16] <davmor2> sbeattie: you about?
[16:17] <sbeattie> davmor2: I am, though I'm making breakfast.
[16:18] <davmor2> are there any other platforms that you want sru's on or is it just hardy?
[16:19] <sbeattie> davmor2: hardy's probably the short term priority, though help on any of the releases would be great.
[16:20] <davmor2> sbeattie: I'm also assuming that 32 and 64 is good and server on both too right?
[16:27] <sbeattie> davmor2: perhaps I'm not understanding your question properly, but 8.04.4 test isos aren't being built yet.
[16:54] <davmor2> sbeattie: sorry away I want to test some sru's on hardy I'm assuming the easiest way is to install .3 and update then enable propose and check of the sru list for hardy if that makes sense?
[16:54] <sbeattie> yeah, that works.
[16:55] <davmor2> Right so I'll start that tomorrow then.
[22:06] <moustafa> cr3, fader_ see you tomorrow
[22:06] <fader_> moustafa: See ya
[22:06] <cr3> moustafa: see ya dude
[22:49] <czajkowski> well that's a bit annoying, report a bug, it gets marked as a dup fair enough, then you get told to check out the other bug, but that's private and you can't :(
[22:52] <bsmith1> is it proper testing procedure to virtualize the iso and test that way?
[23:04] <sbeattie> czajkowski: which bug?
[23:09] <czajkowski> sbeattie: bug 494899
[23:09] <ubot4> czajkowski: Bug 494899 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/494899 is private
[23:10] <czajkowski> which isn't very helpful when it tells me to go add to it :(
[23:12] <sbeattie> czajkowski: agreed. There was some discussion at UDS around addressing that, but I don't recall what the result was.
[23:12] <sbeattie> czajkowski: bug 494899 is no longer private.
[23:12] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 494899 in software-center "software-center crashed with NoSectionError in set()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/494899
[23:12] <czajkowski> sbeattie: thank you
[23:13] <czajkowski> sbeattie: not sure I can add more to it, but it was just annoying to be told mine was a dupicate, go add to this, when I couldnt