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| PhilippR | hi, one stupid question | 08:28 |
| PhilippR | apart from settings (by that I mean also contacts, bookmarks, and in a near future calendar) that are saved in couchdb | 08:28 |
| PhilippR | how does ubuntuone use couchdb to synchronize files? | 08:28 |
| PhilippR | I can't seem to find how it does use couchdb to synch files | 08:29 |
| PhilippR | are files stored in couchdb? | 08:29 |
| homeasvs | aquarius, ping | 11:39 |
| aquarius | homeasvs, pong | 11:40 |
| homeasvs | aquarius, hey | 11:40 |
| homeasvs | aquarius, so, close to having desktopcouch on n900 | 11:40 |
| homeasvs | the big problem left is gnome-keyring | 11:40 |
| aquarius | hangover not preventing you any more? :) | 11:40 |
| homeasvs | heh :) | 11:40 |
| aquarius | hrm. the n900 doesn't have the keyring? | 11:40 |
| homeasvs | gnome-keyring pulls in a lot of deps, down to pam, and I'm not sure I"ll be able to easily build them | 11:40 |
| homeasvs | so I was instead considering to factor out that code to a module that can be replaced with some other way of storing keys | 11:41 |
| aquarius | does it have some concept of a keyring? | 11:41 |
| homeasvs | it doesn't look like it, but I'm still looking for something similar | 11:41 |
| homeasvs | but in worst case I'd store something in gconf for example | 11:41 |
| homeasvs | I was just wondering if you'd be open to abstracting all keyring code into one module | 11:41 |
| aquarius | yes. We're doing something similar with the main u1 client -- moving to using the python-keyring module, which abstracts over platform-specific keyrings (gnome, kde, windows, mac) | 11:41 |
| aquarius | so that would be fine for DC too, I thinik | 11:42 |
| homeasvs | oh, didn't know that one, let me check that | 11:42 |
| aquarius | there's not very much at all which uses the keyring, anyway | 11:42 |
| aquarius | (in desktopcouch) | 11:42 |
| homeasvs | yeah, exactly. You only use it for two operations on two kinds of secrets | 11:42 |
| homeasvs | I'd be done quicker abstracting that than packaging all dependencies | 11:42 |
| aquarius | we store the oauth tokens there, and we retrieve them from there, and that's it. It wouldn't be hard to factor that out, i don't think | 11:42 |
| homeasvs | (and the dependency list for dc on maemo is already pretty huge :)) | 11:42 |
| aquarius | and abstracting it is The Right Thing to do anyway, since there's no gnome-keyring on Windows no matter how hard you look ;) | 11:43 |
| homeasvs | exactly | 11:43 |
| homeasvs | well, python-keyring looks promising, and it has some file backends built in, so that could work for my use case for now | 11:43 |
| homeasvs | ok, python-keyring looks like it has the perfect interface | 11:44 |
| Chipaca | homeasvs: if you refactor desktopcouch to use python-keyring, that will be awesome. Super awesome. | 11:45 |
| homeasvs | except that the oauth secret needs to be stored as 'password', it only knows about username/password | 11:45 |
| aquarius | *nod* yeah, it seems like the right approach to us, too | 11:45 |
| homeasvs | but if that's fine for you, then I can give it a go | 11:45 |
| homeasvs | I guess I can make a bzr branch from the latest release to do the work so I also have a patch for maemo to use | 11:45 |
| Chipaca | we're wanting to move in that direction anyway :) | 11:45 |
| homeasvs | and then we can integrate it in mainline if it works | 11:46 |
| homeasvs | ok, that gives me something to do on the plane tonight | 11:46 |
| aquarius | superb | 11:46 |
| aquarius | (plane? going home for Christmas?) | 11:47 |
| homeasvs | no, my weekly commute bru<->bcn | 11:47 |
| aquarius | ah :) | 11:47 |
| homeasvs | btw, my paisley branch seems to be working well for me, once the dust settles we need to see how we can integrate your changes too | 11:47 |
| aquarius | cool. | 11:48 |
| Chipaca | aquarius: I assume you've seen http://arstechnica.com/open-source/guides/2009/12/code-tutorial-make-your-application-sync-with-ubuntu-one.ars already | 11:50 |
| aquarius | Chipaca, not only have I seen it, I've linked it from the desktopcouch documentation page. :) | 11:51 |
| Chipaca | aquarius: and pointed at it from identi.ca? | 11:51 |
| aquarius | yep | 11:51 |
| Chipaca | aquarius: :) ok | 11:51 |
| aquarius | the link to the article is being tweeted a lot, too, which is rather encouraging | 11:52 |
| thisfred | alecu: hi, (eric here) running a little late, I'm thisfred on skype, I will be with you in +/- 10 minutes | 13:02 |
| alecu | hi thisfred, ok, I'm in no hurry. | 13:03 |
| alecu | thisfred, I'm alecura83 in skype btw. | 13:03 |
| thisfred | alecu: cool, I'm ready, shall I dial? | 13:09 |
| alecu | thisfred, sure! | 13:12 |
| Chipaca | desktop+ planning is scheduled for within 5 minutes, but something just came up here. I'm postponing 15 minutes more (sorry!), so we start in 20 minutes. | 14:55 |
| * jblount revels in his newly found 15 minutes | 14:57 | |
| dobey | jblount: it's all the fame you'll ever get | 15:02 |
| jblount | heh | 15:02 |
| aquarius | time to grab a cup of tea then | 15:04 |
| urbanape | still in sekrit room, though, right? | 15:08 |
| urbanape | or out here | 15:08 |
| dobey | here | 15:09 |
| Chipaca | hi all (again) | 15:16 |
| Chipaca | aquarius: CardinalFang: dobey: jblount: urbanape: vds: ping | 15:17 |
| CardinalFang | Hey. | 15:17 |
| vds | pong | 15:17 |
| jblount | yo | 15:18 |
| dobey | aye | 15:18 |
| Chipaca | aquarius: aquarius: aquarius! | 15:19 |
| aquarius | pong | 15:19 |
| Chipaca | urbanape: urbanape: urbanape! | 15:19 |
| Chipaca | ooh, the old beetlejuice trick works! | 15:19 |
| Chipaca | ok, so | 15:20 |
| urbanape | yo yo yo | 15:20 |
| dobey | just watch out for two-headed, three-armed loony presidents | 15:21 |
| * Chipaca 's had *enough* of loony presidents for quite a while | 15:21 | |
| * urbanape is proud to share ZB initials with Zaphod Beeblebrox | 15:21 | |
| Chipaca | rodrigo and teknico are on holiday | 15:21 |
| Chipaca | so that makes all of us here :) | 15:21 |
| dobey | urbanape: it's an omen i tells ya | 15:22 |
| urbanape | vell, I'm just zis guy, you know? | 15:22 |
| Chipaca | dobey: we're starting this meeting with you. Planning! what do you have on your plate for this week? | 15:22 |
| dobey | infrastructure notes, stable ppa builds, nautilus fixes, and new client coding | 15:23 |
| dobey | oh and i think lucio was suggesting another trunk release, after getting another branch landed | 15:24 |
| Chipaca | dobey: is there any of that that we can pass on to somebody else? you have a lot on your plate, and I fear you'll never get round to working on that last item if we can't rebalance things | 15:24 |
| Chipaca | dobey: I feel like having you package is not a productive use of your time, unless you're fixing issues while you do it | 15:24 |
| dobey | the packaging is more of a multi-task issue this time. the SRUs were more direct work since there was lots of backporting and tracking involved | 15:25 |
| Chipaca | dobey: at the same time, I don't know how much joy you get out of packaging. If it's what keeps you going, then keep at it :) | 15:26 |
| dobey | Chipaca: not much, but it helps with the goal of getting upload rights and becoming an ubuntu developer and all that :) | 15:26 |
| Chipaca | dobey: yeah :) | 15:26 |
| Chipaca | dobey: I'd like us to meet for a kicking off of the client coding work. When can we do that? | 15:27 |
| dobey | but i should be starting on the new client code tomorrow at the latest :) | 15:27 |
| Chipaca | dobey: that is excellent | 15:28 |
| dobey | Chipaca: i guess we could discuss that in our call tomorrow? | 15:28 |
| Chipaca | aquarius: CardinalFang: dobey: jblount: urbanape: vds: you should have edit access to a 'desktop+ standups' spreadsheet I started, to track the standups and progress re that | 15:28 |
| Chipaca | aquarius: CardinalFang: dobey: jblount: urbanape: vds: please use your edit rights to fill in when I miss something (like mon, tue last week) | 15:29 |
| Chipaca | dobey: yes, ok | 15:29 |
| aquarius | Chipaca, so is the plan now to edit that spreadsheet rather than to have the standup? | 15:29 |
| Chipaca | aquarius: no, not at all | 15:29 |
| Chipaca | aquarius: unless we all feel the standup adds nothing ontop of the spreadsheet | 15:29 |
| Chipaca | aquarius: it's in stead of the email to ubunet-discuss :) | 15:29 |
| aquarius | I sorta feel that the spreadsheet adds nothing on top of the standup, myself. :) | 15:30 |
| aquarius | (yeah, it avoids the email, but now everything needs updating in two places) | 15:30 |
| Chipaca | aquarius: tracking. More for bosses than for peons :) | 15:30 |
| dobey | aquarius: just wait for logger to catch up and paste in the URL to the point in time where you paste your standup status :) | 15:31 |
| Chipaca | no, no, I'll update the spreadsheet. Except when I don't, in which case I'll ping y'all to do so | 15:31 |
| aquarius | ah, OK, then I am cool with the spreadsheet. ;) | 15:31 |
| Chipaca | (the standup chair can do that) | 15:31 |
| Chipaca | anyway, back to planning! | 15:31 |
| Chipaca | dobey: I think we'll postpone your planning to tomorrow, after the call | 15:32 |
| Chipaca | jblount: you're up next | 15:32 |
| Chipaca | jblount: what's on your plate for this week? | 15:32 |
| Chipaca | jblount: or inside your sammich | 15:33 |
| jblount | I've got a Google doc of 18 or 20 bugs mt made up for me with screenshots. | 15:33 |
| jblount | So I need to do Google doc to LP Bug conversion, and work out how many branches those bugs respresent, then fix them. | 15:33 |
| Chipaca | jblount: sweet. Any chances of you estimating how much work each of those are? | 15:33 |
| Chipaca | jblount: if you could estimate before converting, then if there's any biggie we can prioritize earlier (better than late) | 15:34 |
| Chipaca | jblount: does that make sense to you? | 15:34 |
| jblount | I'm seeing three branches right now: general-layout-bugs should take 5 hours or so, file-ui-fixes should take 10, maybe more depending, and notes-ui-bugs should be about 2 or 3 hours. | 15:34 |
| Chipaca | CardinalFang: did you see those two bugs re file web ui lucio created last week? | 15:35 |
| CardinalFang | Chipaca, No. | 15:35 |
| Chipaca | (jblount: this is relevant to your planning, give me a sec) | 15:35 |
| Chipaca | CardinalFang: bad CardinalFang! bad! | 15:35 |
| Chipaca | CardinalFang: ok, please take a look at them. I think they have no impact on jblount's work, but maybe they do, and I don't want you two to step on your toes | 15:36 |
| Chipaca | jblount: in view of that, I'd say do the conversion to lp, then work on notes ui, until CardinalFang can get back to you re impact, so you work in sync | 15:37 |
| Chipaca | jblount: CardinalFang: ok? | 15:37 |
| Chipaca | by "in sync" i mean coordinated | 15:37 |
| Chipaca | ly | 15:37 |
| jblount | Chipaca: That's fine. | 15:37 |
| Chipaca | CardinalFang: we may as well continue with you :) | 15:37 |
| Chipaca | CardinalFang: what kind of a week are you looking at? | 15:38 |
| Chipaca | oh! dobey: jblount: any days off this week? | 15:38 |
| jblount | Chipaca: Thursday | 15:39 |
| * Chipaca wishes canonicaladmin did ical | 15:39 | |
| Chipaca | jblount: ack | 15:39 |
| dobey | not for me | 15:39 |
| Chipaca | CardinalFang: please continue | 15:39 |
| dobey | i have 1 day left this year to schedule off, but haven't done so yet | 15:39 |
| CardinalFang | Release d-c 0.6.1. SRU 0.5.1 to Karmic. sync 0.5-stable line to source-package branch -- probably need james_w help. talk to james_w about new source-package branch for trunk line. Release 0.6.1 package for lucid. Review Mandel's contacts branch. See what we can use (and what we can't). | 15:39 |
| CardinalFang | That's about three days worth. I haven't gotten past that. | 15:40 |
| CardinalFang | That's all desktopcouch, though. | 15:40 |
| Chipaca | CardinalFang: please push reviewing those bugs re web ui at the head of that work, so jblount unblocks that part of his schedule | 15:40 |
| CardinalFang | I'm still looking for those bugs. | 15:41 |
| * dobey schedules that day now | 15:41 | |
| Chipaca | dobey: good person! | 15:41 |
| * Chipaca feels "good man!" works better | 15:41 | |
| Chipaca | ugh, hold on | 15:42 |
| Chipaca | CardinalFang: I assigned them to urbanape, not you | 15:42 |
| urbanape | I was wondering... | 15:42 |
| CardinalFang | jblount, do you know what bugs? | 15:42 |
| Chipaca | I keep on mixing you two up re who does web ui stuff | 15:42 |
| urbanape | since you were talking about the files UI | 15:42 |
| Chipaca | CardinalFang: my most sincere apologies | 15:43 |
| Chipaca | #495621 and #495625 | 15:43 |
| dobey | CardinalFang: you can poke me for pkg questions also | 15:43 |
| Chipaca | jblount: s/CardinalFang/urbanape/ in all that | 15:43 |
| jblount | Chipaca: ack | 15:43 |
| * Chipaca puts a paper bag over his nick | 15:44 | |
| Chipaca | *sigh* | 15:44 |
| Chipaca | CardinalFang: any news re jbernard and commandline contacts client? | 15:44 |
| CardinalFang | Ah. It's my nick. c=chad. | 15:44 |
| dobey | CardinalFang: now he might confuse you with himself! | 15:45 |
| CardinalFang | Chipaca, I have some views functions written that should make it easier, but I want to review mandel's contacts branch before recommending anything to jbernard. | 15:45 |
| Chipaca | dobey: I have nightmares along those lines | 15:46 |
| Chipaca | CardinalFang: ok. I'd like to look at mandel's contacts branch too; I saw __getattribute__ shenanigans, which makes me suspect it's doing something unpythonic :) | 15:47 |
| CardinalFang | thisfred and I fear the m's code goes overboard with ... yes. | 15:47 |
| Chipaca | I'd be a lot more confortable if it were __getattr__; __getattribute__ smells bad | 15:47 |
| Chipaca | CardinalFang: also: any days off this week? | 15:48 |
| CardinalFang | None this week, though my wife tells me I look "*really terrible*" this morning, so I may have a sick day coming. | 15:48 |
| Chipaca | CardinalFang: I'd prefer if we had more than ~3 days of your work planned, but I can see how that would be hard. What happens after reviewing mandel's work? | 15:49 |
| CardinalFang | Chipaca, Either merging, or branching and stripping out stuff. That's 10 minutes or half a day. | 15:50 |
| CardinalFang | Chipaca, after that, I think desktopcouch can be quiet for a while, so I can help with lucid features outside d-c. | 15:51 |
| Chipaca | CardinalFang: are we beyond the point of pointing things out to mandel and having him fix them? I feel like we've already said too many "this is great, but fix ____". Not sure how accurate that feeling is. | 15:51 |
| CardinalFang | He's been very responsive to me. I haven't said much about this new branch. I merged all his other work. | 15:52 |
| Chipaca | ok. | 15:52 |
| Chipaca | aquarius: you're up next | 15:53 |
| aquarius | this week: hopefully get finalised music store details, finish the download-from-one-upload-to-another-url twisted pipe, work on integrating it with jdo's upload API, write more desktopcouch documentation (thanks Ryan Paul for meaning that I don't have to write as much as I did before :)) | 15:54 |
| CardinalFang | Chipaca, i'm on reviews tomorrow, fwiw. I usually hide until someone yells at me. | 15:54 |
| aquarius | oh, and review duty today and face on Thursday | 15:54 |
| Chipaca | aquarius: I worry about your monotonically increasing TODO :) | 15:55 |
| Chipaca | aquarius: let me copy it in | 15:55 |
| Chipaca | make tomboy first-sync experience nicer; continue work on desktopcouch developer docs; write up things learned at UDS/sprint; work with rodrigo on Music Store, some more music store architecture planning; step-by-step guide to what happens during contact sync; write "pipe" to transfer data between two HTTP connections with twisted 9.0; write lazr-js branch; be frustrated with lack of progress | 15:55 |
| aquarius | Chipaca, the big thing that's holding me up is waiting on music store tech details | 15:55 |
| aquarius | my todo list is a combination of "things I plan to od this week" and "things I plan to do sometime, probably". I picked up the idea from rodrigo :) | 15:56 |
| Chipaca | aquarius: yes, I know. But how is that holding up the first item in the todo? or if not that, wha tis? | 15:56 |
| CardinalFang | I hope they sign before April. | 15:56 |
| aquarius | ah, the list isn't in order. It's just a list. | 15:56 |
| aquarius | what's holding up the tomboy-first-sync-experience is that there are more important things than it. | 15:57 |
| aquarius | CardinalFang, don't say stuff like that out loud or you'll make it happen | 15:57 |
| Chipaca | aquarius: ah | 15:57 |
| CardinalFang | (If I were APPL, I'd create a dummy company that promises similar features, acts like a canary to alert them to competition, and stall new "partners" as long as possible. /me adds this to his world-domination Planning list. ) | 15:57 |
| Chipaca | aquarius: ok, so what does that list look like in priority order? | 15:58 |
| Chipaca | aquarius: (what "lazr-js" branch?) | 15:58 |
| urbanape | he was tasked with getting some time with lazr-js to spread the knowledge. | 15:59 |
| urbanape | voluntold by statik, I believe. | 15:59 |
| Chipaca | ah, true | 15:59 |
| * Chipaca thinks he was too | 15:59 | |
| aquarius | priority order is: build music store widget (blocked); finish http-pipe; integrate pipe with jdo upload work; write desktopcouch documentation; write lazr-js branch; improve tomboy first-sync experience | 16:00 |
| aquarius | indeed I was | 16:00 |
| aquarius | heh "voluntold". | 16:00 |
| Chipaca | aquarius: the http pipe sounds like something we could ask __lucio__ if he can find someone to do it | 16:01 |
| aquarius | if he's got someone, that'd be cool | 16:02 |
| aquarius | I'm struggling with it somewhat | 16:02 |
| Chipaca | aquarius: I know we wrote quite a few streamers for syncdaemon and the server :) | 16:02 |
| aquarius | and I'd rather be working on music store architecture or on DC SDK, but I'm blocked on the store :( | 16:02 |
| Chipaca | aquarius: push the SDK ahead of the pipe while I check with mr foundations+ | 16:03 |
| aquarius | ok, will do. | 16:03 |
| Chipaca | aquarius: great | 16:03 |
| Chipaca | aquarius: days off this week? | 16:03 |
| aquarius | nope. | 16:03 |
| Chipaca | urbanape: you're up | 16:03 |
| urbanape | wheee | 16:04 |
| urbanape | so, currently and foremost, I'm blocked by PQM. It doesn't like me. | 16:04 |
| urbanape | I've got one approved branch ready to land, and one that will follow soon after. | 16:04 |
| urbanape | I've started a branch for the rejecting of no-longer-wanted shares | 16:04 |
| urbanape | Tomorrow I'm an on-call reviewer and Wednesday I'm Face. | 16:05 |
| urbanape | I still need to SRU Bindwood, as the release in my PPA has gotten a lot of positive feedback. | 16:05 |
| Chipaca | urbanape: what's the issue re pqm? | 16:05 |
| urbanape | Chipaca: All lines of log output:Sender not authorised to commit to branch bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntuone-pqm-team/ubuntuone-servers/trunk-2a | 16:06 |
| Chipaca | urbanape: have you talked with LOSAs? | 16:06 |
| urbanape | I thought it got cleared up with the general PQM wrangling that happened on Friday | 16:06 |
| urbanape | I have not yet spoken with LOSAs | 16:06 |
| Chipaca | urbanape: or you could file a rt | 16:07 |
| Chipaca | so... that's a bummer but shouldn't affect planning too much | 16:07 |
| urbanape | yarp. And besides the 4 mandatory days after Xmas, I have 2.5 days remaining of leave. | 16:08 |
| Chipaca | urbanape: as I told CardinalFang (mistakenly), please review those bugs created by lucio and assigned to you, so as to unblock jblount re file ui | 16:08 |
| Chipaca | urbanape: #495621 and #495625 | 16:08 |
| urbanape | yup | 16:09 |
| Chipaca | urbanape: also schedule them for soonish (this week if possible) | 16:09 |
| urbanape | the 2.5 days? | 16:09 |
| urbanape | or the bugs? | 16:09 |
| Chipaca | urbanape: the bugs. And the 2.5 days :) | 16:09 |
| urbanape | so, this week: shepherding the two branches I have in review already, the third for share rejecting, and the SRU for Bindwood, plus estimates on the two bugs reported by Lucio. | 16:12 |
| Chipaca | urbanape: ok? | 16:12 |
| urbanape | I believe one of them is fixed by the second branch I have in review, actually. | 16:12 |
| Chipaca | urbanape: great | 16:13 |
| Chipaca | urbanape: plus face duty on wed | 16:13 |
| urbanape | oh, nope, neither. | 16:13 |
| urbanape | and review tomorrow | 16:13 |
| Chipaca | yeah, but review is one day every week, so no surprise there | 16:13 |
| Chipaca | vds: last but not least | 16:14 |
| vds | contact sync: more testing especially with real device | 16:14 |
| vds | 30 days free plan, branch already started, probably ready after dinner | 16:14 |
| vds | OTA sms: branch to configure funambol to send sms as soon as we have an account, test OTA | 16:14 |
| vds | with real mobile devices | 16:14 |
| vds | Chipaca: that's it | 16:15 |
| Chipaca | hmm | 16:15 |
| Chipaca | mattgriffin: ping | 16:15 |
| Chipaca | vds: how do we handle the end of the 30 day plan? | 16:16 |
| Chipaca | vds: ie how do we communicate that to the user? | 16:17 |
| vds | Chipaca: we don't do it explicitly, we pass an error code to funambol that means the account is expired | 16:17 |
| mattgriffin | Chipaca: pong | 16:18 |
| vds | Chipaca: then the funambol client should inform the user | 16:18 |
| vds | Chipaca: we could send an email or write something on the web page, but that was not in the bug | 16:19 |
| Chipaca | 1 sec, on the phone | 16:22 |
| Chipaca | mattgriffin: the ping was re subitosms | 16:23 |
| mattgriffin | Chipaca: i'm waiting for the account login info from their account guy. we will 1000 worldwide messages to test with. | 16:24 |
| Chipaca | mattgriffin: ok, great | 16:24 |
| Chipaca | mattgriffin: ETA? | 16:24 |
| mattgriffin | Chipaca: he seemed really responsive the last few days so i expect a message soon (today or tomorrow) | 16:25 |
| Chipaca | mattgriffin: ok, great | 16:25 |
| Chipaca | vds: my question is what is the user experience of that? | 16:25 |
| vds | Chipaca: I haven't tried it I guess the funambol client will tell the user that the account is expired | 16:27 |
| Chipaca | vds: hmm... ok. For now :) | 16:28 |
| Chipaca | vds: at some point the general account info pages need to be able to show that info, and that was more what I was asking. But ok for now. | 16:29 |
| vds | Chipaca: we don't have control over the client but we can do whatever we like on the web side (desktop side in the future) | 16:29 |
| vds | Chipaca: if you want we can include it in this branch I think | 16:29 |
| vds | it shouldn't be much work | 16:29 |
| Chipaca | vds: I'd rather more branches than slower branches | 16:30 |
| vds | Chipaca: ok, we'll have to refactor the web ui soon | 16:30 |
| vds | Chipaca: maybe we can include the notification while we do the refactoring | 16:31 |
| Chipaca | vds: you mean to add the code for the 30 day trial? | 16:31 |
| vds | Chipaca: the code to notify the use that the plan is expired, yes | 16:32 |
| Chipaca | vds: sorry I wasn't clear: what is the refactoring the web ui will need soon? | 16:32 |
| vds | Chipaca: we need to change the web ui to follow the indication of the design team | 16:33 |
| Chipaca | vds: ok, so you're talking about the work jblount is doing right now? | 16:33 |
| __lucio__ | Chipaca, aquarius: http-pipe we can do when we get the new guy | 16:33 |
| aquarius | rawk | 16:34 |
| aquarius | it's not actually useful until we hit | 16:34 |
| aquarius | until we hit the stage of doing downloads, but it's something that I could do independently, so I was doing it now while blocked. | 16:34 |
| aquarius | __lucio__, thanks | 16:34 |
| vds | Chipaca: that I don't know | 16:34 |
| Chipaca | aquarius: I'd rather you worked on the SDK | 16:34 |
| vds | Chipaca: I don;t know if jblount is working on that | 16:35 |
| Chipaca | jblount: is there anything in the work you're doing that is relevant to a 30 day plan that is a demo for the full version of a product? | 16:35 |
| aquarius | Chipaca, yep, exasctly what I am doing now :) | 16:35 |
| jblount | vds, Chipaca: Not yet. That refactoring is a seperate and unique snow flake. | 16:35 |
| * Chipaca is lost in a maze of refactorings, all alike | 16:35 | |
| Chipaca | jblount: so the refactoring vds is talking about is not about the 20 bugs from mt? | 16:36 |
| jblount | Chipaca: Nope, he's talking about makig the funabol stuff look like the designs #design has for it. | 16:36 |
| jblount | (I think) | 16:36 |
| vds | jblount: exactly | 16:37 |
| jblount | The stuff I'm working on is for /files/ /notes/ and some various flat pages in the web ui | 16:37 |
| Chipaca | d'oh | 16:37 |
| jblount | vds is talking about /phone/ or whatever | 16:37 |
| Chipaca | jblount: thanks | 16:37 |
| Chipaca | right, right | 16:37 |
| * jblount smiles | 16:37 | |
| * vds smiles too | 16:37 | |
| Chipaca | jblount: I assume the /phones/ work involves you? | 16:37 |
| Chipaca | jblount: the ? means that I don't actually assume it yet | 16:38 |
| jblount | Chipaca: I'm thinking yes | 16:38 |
| Chipaca | jblount: good :) | 16:39 |
| Chipaca | vds: so, is the 'your 30 day freebie is over' thing covered by the design work? | 16:39 |
| vds | Chipaca: nope | 16:39 |
| vds | we can ask to "integrate" | 16:40 |
| Chipaca | vds: is that work from mt? or is it john lea? | 16:40 |
| vds | Chipaca: john lea I think | 16:40 |
| Chipaca | john__: ping :) | 16:41 |
| Chipaca | vds: can you send him an email (assuming he doesn't respond) if he could add that to what's already there, if possible? I know he's going on vacation RSN | 16:41 |
| vds | Chipaca: sure | 16:42 |
| Chipaca | vds: please cc me :) | 16:43 |
| vds | of course | 16:43 |
| Chipaca | vds: can we rewind a little and look at your planning again? | 16:43 |
| * Chipaca realizes he's gone over the meeting time by almost 2x | 16:43 | |
| vds | Chipaca: ok | 16:44 |
| dobey | the meeting is still going? | 16:44 |
| Chipaca | dobey: :( | 16:44 |
| Chipaca | dobey: yes | 16:44 |
| dobey | i can see why you have nightmares :) | 16:44 |
| Chipaca | we'll get speedier at this with practice :) | 16:44 |
| Chipaca | (here's hoping) | 16:44 |
| vds | Chipaca: next was: OTA sms: branch to configure funambol to send sms as soon as we have an account, test OTA | 16:44 |
| Chipaca | vds: estimates? | 16:45 |
| vds | Chipaca: a couple of days if everything goes smooth, but it never does... | 16:45 |
| vds | :/ | 16:46 |
| Chipaca | vds: what happens after that? | 16:47 |
| vds | Chipaca: that should cover this week | 16:48 |
| === john__ is now known as JohnLea | ||
| dobey | ok, well, i really must go get some food and such | 16:48 |
| Chipaca | vds: ok | 16:48 |
| Chipaca | ok, a wrap! | 16:48 |
| dobey | bbiab | 16:48 |
| Chipaca | aquarius: CardinalFang: dobey: jblount: urbanape: vds: thanks all. | 16:49 |
| jblount | Chipaca: :) | 16:49 |
| vds | Chipaca: thank you! | 16:49 |
| dobey | thanks | 16:49 |
| mandel | aquarius: ping | 17:09 |
| aquarius | mandel, pong | 17:09 |
| mandel | aquarius: what happened at the end with the collection of contacts (I do not want to use the g word :P) | 17:10 |
| aquarius | mandel, I don't think we've yet hit a conclusion :( | 17:11 |
| mandel | aquarius: ok, np I'll focus on something else | 17:12 |
| bravebug | Hello | 17:17 |
| CardinalFang | Bonjour, mandel. | 17:18 |
| aquarius | hi bravebug | 17:18 |
| bravebug | Can any body give me commands with witch ubuntuone-client packeged& | 17:19 |
| bravebug | ? | 17:19 |
| mandel | CardinalFang: bonjour. how is it going? | 17:19 |
| mandel | CardinalFang: good new from here, I added avatar support for the contacts :D | 17:20 |
| CardinalFang | Rawk! | 17:20 |
| aquarius | bravebug, sorry, which commands do you need? The things to install Ubuntu One? | 17:20 |
| bravebug | commands for installing from source ubuntuone-client and if it possible ubuntuone-storage-protocol too | 17:21 |
| bravebug | aquarius, | 17:21 |
| aquarius | bravebug, "apt-get source python-ubuntuone-storageprotocol ubuntuone-client-gnome ubuntuone-client" | 17:22 |
| bravebug | I want to build package for ArchLinux, but I don't know problem in ubuntu patchs or bad commands for build | 17:23 |
| bravebug | I don't use ubuntu now | 17:23 |
| CardinalFang | bravebug, did you report the desktopcouch _self bug? | 17:24 |
| CardinalFang | NameError? | 17:24 |
| aquarius | bravebug, ah, then you can get the source from launchpad -- launchpad.net/ubuntuone has all the code | 17:24 |
| bravebug | aquarius, if you understend, look http://aur.archlinux.org/packages/ubuntuone-storage-protocol/ubuntuone-storage-protocol/PKGBUILD and http://aur.archlinux.org/packages/ubuntuone-client/ubuntuone-client/PKGBUILD | 17:25 |
| aquarius | bravebug, there are links to all teh projects from there | 17:25 |
| bravebug | I think that package function with error, because ubuntu have a lot of patchs with other packages | 17:26 |
| bravebug | sorry for bad english | 17:26 |
| aquarius | bravebug, ah, OK; we do have some patches to upstream projects. Can you show the errors that happen when you try to package Ubuntu One on archlinux? | 17:27 |
| bravebug | yes, one moment | 17:27 |
| mandel | CardinalFang: When did that bu appear, I saw it on friday but I was away and had no internet to report it | 17:28 |
| CardinalFang | mandel, Not sure. I fixed in trunk this morning. | 17:31 |
| bravebug | aquarius, http://dpaste.org/UB2h/ and http://dpaste.org/BwGK/ please | 17:31 |
| mandel | CardinalFang: I've notices, I've just did an update, I wonder how it got there | 17:32 |
| aquarius | bravebug, OK, the u1sync problem is that it's not finding the config file. Chipaca, where would u1sync in http://dpaste.org/UB2h/ be looking for its config file? | 17:33 |
| Chipaca | aquarius: /etc/xdg/etc | 17:33 |
| aquarius | bravebug, and the second problem, with ubuntuone-client-applet, is because the syncdaemon isn't starting properly | 17:33 |
| bravebug | ok | 17:34 |
| aquarius | Chipaca, which package is the config file in? I can't find it | 17:34 |
| Chipaca | aquarius: 1 sec | 17:34 |
| bravebug | It not so bad like I think | 17:34 |
| aquarius | bravebug, yeah, it looks like you're most of the way there :) | 17:34 |
| bravebug | Thanks) | 17:35 |
| Chipaca | aquarius: there doesn't seem to be one by default | 17:35 |
| aquarius | Chipaca, ok, am a bit puzzled by http://dpaste.org/UB2h/ then? | 17:35 |
| Chipaca | aquarius: i'm looking into it | 17:36 |
| aquarius | bravebug, Chipaca knows all about this area, so he's your expert :) | 17:36 |
| mandel | CardinalFang: I've notices, I've just did an update, I wonder how it got there | 17:36 |
| mandel | got to go, laters | 17:36 |
| Chipaca | no, actually, I don't know much u1sync (that is tcole's), but | 17:36 |
| bravebug | Chipaca, Hi, any ideas? | 17:37 |
| Chipaca | aquarius: bravebug: the file that is missing is /etc/xdg/ubuntuone/oauth_urls | 17:37 |
| Chipaca | bravebug: do you have that ^ file? | 17:37 |
| bravebug | no | 17:37 |
| bravebug | haven't | 17:37 |
| Chipaca | bravebug: ah, there you go then | 17:37 |
| Chipaca | :) | 17:37 |
| bravebug | I understand | 17:37 |
| bravebug | what path and what it must contain? | 17:38 |
| bravebug | Chipaca, | 17:38 |
| bravebug | I can start ubuntu 9.10 in VirtualBox and look on this file | 17:40 |
| Chipaca | bravebug: dunno if my dpaste url got through before the ap threw me off | 17:43 |
| Chipaca | bravebug: in case no, http://dpaste.org/JOxm/ | 17:43 |
| aquarius | bravebug, it's in the python-ubuntuone-client package | 17:44 |
| CITguy | Does anybody know how to force update the files on my system with the ones in the cloud? | 17:44 |
| Chipaca | I was going to ask why you didn't have it, but I'm assuming you're doing something Strange and Wonderful :) | 17:44 |
| Chipaca | CITguy: u1sdtool --refresh=/the/full/path/to/the/top/dir/with/changes | 17:45 |
| bravebug | :) | 17:45 |
| bravebug | I build only two packages "ubuntuone-storage-protocol" "ubuntuone-client" | 17:46 |
| aquarius | bravebug, ah, yes, there are a few other packages that get installed. :) | 17:47 |
| bravebug | I look it in Ubuntu in VirtualBox now | 17:48 |
| bravebug | Chipaca, where I can find install instructions for all this packages? | 17:58 |
| bravebug | I'm not so good maintainer | 17:59 |
| Chipaca | bravebug: what are you trying to do? | 17:59 |
| bravebug | I don't how to build "ubuntuone-client-gnome" and "python-ubuntuone-client" | 18:00 |
| bravebug | don't know how to build | 18:00 |
| bravebug | It making from one sources? | 18:01 |
| Chipaca | bravebug: are you in ubuntu? | 18:01 |
| Chipaca | bravebug: I mean, are you trying to build this in ubuntu? | 18:02 |
| bravebug | Ubuntu in VirtualBox only | 18:02 |
| bravebug | ok, I try | 18:02 |
| Chipaca | bravebug: no, no | 18:02 |
| Chipaca | bravebug: I am trying to understand your situation, to understand what you're trying to do, to help you better | 18:03 |
| Chipaca | bravebug: umm... what is your native language? | 18:03 |
| bravebug | Russian | 18:03 |
| Chipaca | oh, shame, I don't speak russian :) | 18:04 |
| Chipaca | bravebug: so... are you trying to build the packages from source? Or are you trying to use ubuntu one in a non-ubuntu environment? | 18:04 |
| bravebug | from source | 18:04 |
| aquarius | Chipaca, on archlinux | 18:05 |
| Chipaca | ah | 18:05 |
| Chipaca | bravebug: do you have bzr? | 18:05 |
| bravebug | no | 18:05 |
| bravebug | install it not problem, but I bad to know how use it | 18:06 |
| Chipaca | bravebug: not a problem | 18:06 |
| Chipaca | bravebug: do you have python-gnomekeyring? | 18:06 |
| bravebug | I don't know what is it | 18:07 |
| Chipaca | bravebug: are you wanting to use just u1sync, or the full ubuntuone syncdaemon? | 18:07 |
| bravebug | I want to build all this packages for community | 18:08 |
| Chipaca | bravebug: ok | 18:08 |
| Chipaca | bravebug: you need the python bindings for the gnome keyring. Do you have that? | 18:09 |
| bravebug | We have ArchLinux User-community Repository (AUR) | 18:09 |
| bravebug | Where I can sent packages | 18:09 |
| bravebug | One moment | 18:09 |
| * rtgz understands Russian, just in case, ping me if one needs anything | 18:23 | |
| Chipaca | rtgz: I'll point him at you | 18:25 |
| rtgz | Chipaca, ok, I thought I am offline :) | 18:25 |
| rtgz | ubottu, unfreeze! | 18:25 |
| Chipaca | rtgz: bravebug. bravebug, rtgz | 18:27 |
| bravebug | A-ha | 18:27 |
| dobey | hrmm | 18:48 |
| dobey | rtgz: ping | 19:36 |
| rtgz | dobey, pong | 19:36 |
| rtgz | dobey, i guess "hrmm" was for me as well | 19:37 |
| dobey | rtgz: are there separate bugs for all of the issues your branch seems to fix for you? | 19:37 |
| dobey | my hrmm was about bravebug trying to build the client on arch | 19:37 |
| rtgz | "Fixed immediate 'synchronized' emblem assigned due to incomplete hash checks." - this is a separate bug, actually. Do you want me to file that? | 19:38 |
| rtgz | dobey, fixed: bug #491777, bug #479475 - fixed, except folders (requires syncdaemon support) and Shared With Me. I have also set the default to unsynchronized icon, but I cannot find any design doc about the way it "should" be :( | 19:40 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 491777 in ubuntuone-client "Ubuntuone-Nautilus should not update file modification time to refresh the emblems" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/491777 | 19:40 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 479475 in ubuntuone-client "File emblems don't display correct sync status" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/479475 | 19:40 |
| dobey | rtgz: separate bugs for each issue, and separate branches to fix each bug, are best, yes | 19:40 |
| rtgz | dobey, okay, then I will create additional branches. Will that be ok for now or this is blocking you from other things? | 19:42 |
| dobey | rtgz: it's not blocking me, no. but i'd like to separate the trivial fixes, so we can get those in, while the more complicated stuff will need more review | 19:43 |
| rtgz | dobey, okay, need some 30 mins to do all that | 19:43 |
| dobey | rtgz: thanks | 19:45 |
| jbernard | Chipaca: I don't have anything yet, but i expect time to free up towards the end of the week so I can start putting it together | 21:00 |
| jbernard | Chipaca: I do have mandel's branch and have been reading through it | 21:00 |
| Chipaca | jbernard: ok :) thanks for the update | 21:00 |
| jbernard | CardinalFang: ping me when you have those views ready, that would be a huge help | 21:01 |
| rtgz | dobey, 2 ready, ShareCreateError in progress (phew, need more bzr, bzr, bzr...) | 21:05 |
| rtgz | dobey, may I attach the corresponding branch with dbus marshaller to bug #492100? | 21:06 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 492100 in ubuntuone-client "Error while creating share from nautilus - _create_share_http in action_queue.py, line 1859 calls callback with missing parameters" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/492100 | 21:06 |
| dobey | rtgz: i think that would be a separate issue | 21:08 |
| rtgz | dobey, the callback was not called when error happened, this is ubuntuone-nautilus side for create_share_http error... | 21:09 |
| rtgz | dobey, no, not related, going to make new bug report | 21:09 |
| dobey | rtgz: and i'm not sure i understand the issue either, so i'd like a separate bug to be able to understand it better | 21:11 |
| rtgz | dobey, ok! | 21:11 |
| rtgz | hm , the "Share on Ubuntu One" dialog just displayed me completely weird string, probably it may have to do with the crashes when share dialog is called. Once I had "." there written only. Probably the pointer gets an invalid memory location... and the crash nessita got... Might be related... | 21:33 |
| dobey | not sure | 21:33 |
| dobey | file a bug, and attach a screenshot | 21:33 |
| dobey | and a backtrace if you do get a crash | 21:33 |
| rtgz | + cosmetic - (nautilus:14029): Gtk-WARNING **: The GTK_DIALOG_NO_SEPARATOR flag cannot be used for GtkMessageDialog | 21:41 |
| CardinalFang | jbernard, Roger. Maybe in 24h. | 21:44 |
| dobey | eh | 21:45 |
| rtgz | dobey, splitted the commit into three branches, I hope I did everything right. | 21:48 |
| rtgz | path = g_filename_from_uri (nautilus_file_info_get_uri (file), NULL, NULL);... how can THIS point to a wrong memory... | 21:50 |
| rtgz | hmmm file = g_list_nth_data (files, 0);... | 21:50 |
| dobey | grr, why is gtk+ dumb | 21:52 |
| rtgz | Just for the record - the crash was like this - http://paste.ubuntu.com/341458/, BTW, what is TTL for those messages?.. | 21:55 |
| rtgz | Still, no idea how to provide more "usable" info... | 21:55 |
| dobey | ttl for what messages? the pango ones? | 21:56 |
| rtgz | hm... (nautilus:14335): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_ref: assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed - when window is dismissed | 21:57 |
| rtgz | dobey, for paste.ubuntu.com entries | 21:57 |
| dobey | i believe you can specify day week or month when pasting | 21:57 |
| dobey | oh, or not | 21:58 |
| dobey | i don't know how long they stay | 21:58 |
| rtgz | gtk_entry_set_text (GTK_ENTRY (data->name_entry), g_path_get_basename (data->path)); - ok, the magic happens somewhere here... | 21:58 |
| rtgz | paste.ubuntu.com does not let us specify TTL value for the message so it is a bit weird | 21:59 |
| rtgz | okay, I guess this is all for today, will check what can I get for nautilus crash tomorrow, since it is... heh, it is already tomorrow here. | 21:59 |
| joshuahoover1 | dobey: did the networkmanager fix make it in the sru you put together? | 22:00 |
| dobey | joshuahoover1: yes, just waiting for it to get approved and uploaded to the archive | 22:00 |
| joshuahoover1 | dobey: cool | 22:00 |
| urbanape | so, while I've had good success with the PPA release of Bindwood, that branch never got a proper review. If anyone is interested (or wants to just short-circuit it), the proposal is here: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~urbanape/bindwood/batch-pushing/+merge/16165 | 22:04 |
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