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| madcat | Hi anyone here? I've a question how do you automatically run local app on thin client without typing ltsp-localapps (program)? | 03:33 |
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| Ahmuck-Jr | permantly? | 03:35 |
| Ahmuck-Jr | madcat: | 03:38 |
| madcat | Hi ahmuck-jr, yes because we're using it forever | 03:38 |
| madcat | Our thin clients are fat clients so to speak | 03:38 |
| Ahmuck-Jr | u can do a fat client mode, or u can do drbl for fat clients | 03:38 |
| Ahmuck-Jr | u can also put localapps in your lts.conf | 03:39 |
| madcat | What's a fat client mode? Or drbl? | 03:39 |
| madcat | Yes I've edited my lts.conf | 03:39 |
| Ahmuck-Jr | nubae had a fat client mode script | 03:39 |
| madcat | I've followed the guide on help.ubuntu, but it doesn't show up on the menu | 03:39 |
| Ahmuck-Jr | after editing the script, you need to enter chroot and install the apps in chroot | 03:39 |
| Ahmuck-Jr | what apps are these? | 03:39 |
| madcat | They're simple apps open-office, totem, gimp, you should see a (ws12) on the app top window if it's running local right? | 03:40 |
| madcat | but mine won't show up, I need to still type ltsp-localapps everytime | 03:41 |
| madcat | Isn't it suppose to be automatically launched locally in the menu? | 03:41 |
| Ahmuck-Jr | u chrooted these apps? | 03:41 |
| madcat | Yes | 03:41 |
| Ahmuck-Jr | rebuilt the client | 03:41 |
| madcat | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPLocalAppsJaunty followed this | 03:41 |
| madcat | I already rebuilt it | 03:42 |
| madcat | also when I launch them from Applications> etc... and I do ltsp-localapps xterm ps aux | grep (program) it doesn't show to be running | 03:43 |
| madcat | The reason I'm asking is some of my co workers, don't know how to type in the CLI ltsp-localapps (program) | 03:44 |
| Ahmuck-Jr | wow, out of my leage | 03:44 |
| Ahmuck-Jr | i don't recall going through anything that contovoluted | 03:44 |
| Ahmuck-Jr | and you shouldn't have to type in ltsp-localapps | 03:45 |
| madcat | I'm sorry, I'm using Ubuntu not edubuntu | 03:45 |
| madcat | Don't worry, thanks for your help! | 03:45 |
| madcat | :) | 03:46 |
| Ahmuck-Jr | madcat: i use ubuntu | 03:53 |
| Ahmuck-Jr | u can ask ltsp questions here. ur wanting stgraber | 03:53 |
| Ahmuck-Jr | er, sbalneav | 03:53 |
| Ahmuck-Jr | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DisklessUbuntuHowto - wow, so many options | 05:06 |
| Ahmuck-Jr | this howto, it's not drbl or ltsp or ldap ?! | 05:07 |
| sbalneav | Ahmuck-Jr: It's just implementing LTSP the way it started out originally. | 05:10 |
| Ahmuck-Jr | how's that | 05:10 |
| Ahmuck-Jr | btw, epaphus and madcat both in ltsp have ltsp questions i cannot answer | 05:11 |
| Ahmuck-Jr | do you ever get tired of answering the same questions? | 05:11 |
| sbalneav | No, I don't mind. | 05:11 |
| sbalneav | brb, I'll announce myself in #ltsp | 05:11 |
| alkisg | Ahmuck-Jr: the link you posted just uses remote hard disk space, nothing more | 05:12 |
| sbalneav | Ahmuck-Jr: the very first implementation of LTSP that Jim did as a test was NFS root dir mounted read/write, like they're doing. | 05:12 |
| alkisg | Similar to AoE | 05:12 |
| sbalneav | right. | 05:12 |
| alkisg | It doesn't involve thin clients | 05:13 |
| alkisg | (hi all :)) | 05:13 |
| sbalneav | I did something similar to this 15 years ago with 68030 sun workstations. | 05:13 |
| sbalneav | there's 50 bazillion different ways you can do thin clients on unix machines. | 05:13 |
| sbalneav | All LTSP is is just one "nicely prepackaged" method of doing it. | 05:14 |
| sbalneav | The only reason why LTSP became the "de facto" (if you can call it that) project is because: | 05:15 |
| sbalneav | 1) Jim did a LOT of chatting it up in the beginning, | 05:15 |
| Ahmuck | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPLocalAppsJaunty is this doc up to date? | 05:15 |
| Ahmuck | is this really what needs to happen in jaunty? | 05:15 |
| sbalneav | 2) Eric implemented it in K12LTSP | 05:15 |
| sbalneav | 3) We managed to attract a fairly high-quality cadre of people who liked what we were doing, and spread it around. | 05:16 |
| Ahmuck | alkisg: have you looked at drbl? | 05:19 |
| Ahmuck | i'm kinda looking at fat clients as well, but not sure if ltsp is the way to go | 05:19 |
| alkisg | Ahmuck: yes, I didn't like it at all | 05:20 |
| Ahmuck | why? | 05:20 |
| alkisg | It's a pack of patches that don't integrate with anything | 05:20 |
| Ahmuck | sbalneav: stgraber posted jaunty localapps above, is that doc correct? one has to follow all those things for local apps? or is the ltsp doc correct? | 05:20 |
| Ahmuck | someone suggested that drbl was not being maintained?! | 05:21 |
| alkisg | Ahmuck: let's continue on LTSP, it won't be easy to talk in 2 pages at once | 05:21 |
| Ahmuck | well drbl isn't really ltsp, but might apply to edubuntu classrooms | 05:21 |
| Ahmuck | i didn't want to make the ltsp guys upset | 05:21 |
| alkisg | Ahmuck: no don't worry the ltsp guys don't get easily upset :) | 05:24 |
| alkisg | Just a warning, don't try drbl in a system that you don't want to format it afterwards :) | 05:24 |
| alkisg | It doesn't get properly uninstalled. It doesn't use the packaging system much. | 05:24 |
| sbalneav | Some of us snarkier b*st*rds make pointed comments from time to time, but all in good fun :) | 05:25 |
| Ahmuck | clonezilla server uses drbl | 05:26 |
| Ahmuck | drbl live | 05:26 |
| Ahmuck | been looking at cloning 30+ computers at a time | 05:27 |
| Ahmuck | then using ldap/nfs for authentication/storage | 05:27 |
| sbalneav | Ahmuck: Never worry about offending anyone in LTSP by discussing thin client systems other than LTSP. | 05:27 |
| sbalneav | Most of us have all played around with other thin client solutions. We come back to LTSP for a variety of reasons. | 05:28 |
| sbalneav | Most of the time the people come back to us because we're the only Free Software thin client project that both actively developed, AND actively supported. | 05:29 |
| sbalneav | Plus we're good people to hang around with if you like Beer and Lobster. And steak :) | 05:29 |
| Ahmuck | well, i'm allergic to beer, and don't think i've ever had lobster | 05:38 |
| Ahmuck | but i do raise beef! | 05:38 |
| sbalneav | On the hoof? | 05:38 |
| sbalneav | Moo! | 05:38 |
| Ahmuck | yep | 05:38 |
| Ahmuck | we could host a convention and have all the beef one would need | 05:39 |
| sbalneav | So long as I don't have to get it myself :( | 05:39 |
| sbalneav | I'm squeamish, which, for a meat eater, is a logically inconsistent thing to be.... but there it is. | 05:40 |
| sbalneav | I don't mind my meat already cut up on to nice little styrofoam trays, but I can't look bessie in the eye :( | 05:40 |
| sbalneav | Where's your ranch? How many acres? | 05:41 |
| Ahmuck | kansas | 05:42 |
| Ahmuck | center of the continent | 05:42 |
| sbalneav | Section? Quarter section | 05:45 |
| sbalneav | ? | 05:45 |
| sbalneav | My cottage is on 40 acres that part of it was used as cattle grazing land. | 05:45 |
| sbalneav | *yawn* | 05:47 |
| sbalneav | Headin' to bed. Be on tomorrow, same bat time, same bat channel. | 05:47 |
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| sbalneav | Morning all | 14:48 |
| highvoltage | hi sbalneav! | 14:55 |
| Lns | http://blog.freenode.net/2009/12/december-8-2009-connectivity-issues-and-netsplits/ | 18:35 |
| dgroos | Good afternoon--got a question. | 19:10 |
| dgroos | I had that recursive fd/3/fd/3/fd deal again and it brought down my server and it's my lunch so have a few moments to try to fix it. | 19:11 |
| dgroos | sbalneav had mentioned a bug in a program that had been fixed awhile back in the stgraber's Launchpad. | 19:14 |
| dgroos | I thought I re-updated the things from this launchpad, but it seems that I've got this error again. | 19:16 |
| dgroos | My server has been working about 7 minutes now with | 19:16 |
| dgroos | rm -r fd (which contains the massive bloated file. Now going on 8 minutes... | 19:17 |
| dgroos | where is this bug documented? | 19:19 |
| asanchez | ping stgraber | 19:34 |
| stgraber | asanchez: pong | 20:08 |
| asanchez | stgraber, edubuntu menu editor looks very interesting | 20:13 |
| asanchez | we've just solved our divert problems using XDG as you recommend us in barcelona | 20:13 |
| asanchez | but menu editor is still interesting for these classrooms that want a more reduce educational menu | 20:14 |
| asanchez | currently we have most of our developers working in a new collaboration tool (https://launchpad.net/guadalinexedu-collaboration-tool) and in a usb stick for unnattended installations | 20:16 |
| asanchez | but I think we can help you testing your alpha and beta releases | 20:17 |
| stgraber | asanchez: cool, I'll let you know when we have something working. We'll also be looking for some example menus to include in the package. | 20:35 |
| asanchez | Our education menu has a lot of things, I think is a bad example | 20:36 |
| asanchez | we receive everyday requests for new applications and menu is becoming a monster | 20:37 |
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| asanchez | http://www.guadalinexedu.org/img/background_guadalinexedu_650x406.png | 20:39 |
| alkisg | stgraber: when you said we'll have live LTSP in the edubuntu DVD... has someone been assigned this? Or it's just a thought? | 21:11 |
| alkisg | stgraber: so, because I want to do something similar, should I be working on that? Or should I just wait? (I prefer the second choice of course :)) | 21:19 |
| dgroos | bump... | 21:25 |
| dgroos | infinite recursion creates GB of fd/3/fd/3/fd/3... | 21:26 |
| dgroos | help? | 21:26 |
| Ahmuck-Jr | dgroos: hi | 21:31 |
| Ahmuck-Jr | restate the question in laymans terms | 21:31 |
| dgroos | Ahmuck-Jr: howdy | 21:32 |
| dgroos | I tried to start my computers during 2nd period today, they wouldn't work correctly. I jumped ship from my room and went to a computer lab that happened to be empty then. | 21:33 |
| dgroos | When I was able to investigate things, I checked Hard drive memory and found the disk was FULL. | 21:34 |
| dgroos | I tracked down some of the bloat to a specific user's dev directory. There was a directory in there called, "fd". | 21:36 |
| dgroos | inside of that was a directory called, "3", inside of that there was a directory called, "fd", "3" was in that, fd in that... and so in down the line... | 21:37 |
| dgroos | I removed the fd directory as root user: rm -r fd when I was in the users dev directory. 14 minutes later, the command completed, and the hard drive was 27 GB lighter! | 21:39 |
| dgroos | sbalneav had said this was a bug in ... I don't remember... but that it had been fixed in stgraber's Launchpad. | 21:40 |
| dgroos | I have his launchpad as a source, updated/installed, but I get this fatal problem again. | 21:40 |
| sbalneav | dgroos: yeah, it's cause by spaces in usernames apparently | 21:41 |
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| dgroos | Anyone? | 22:17 |
| sbalneav | Anyone what? | 22:20 |
| sbalneav | I responded :) | 22:20 |
| dgroos | :) | 22:21 |
| sbalneav | can you reproduce the problem by putting a space in the username? | 22:21 |
| dgroos | what do you mean, put a space in the name? when I login? | 22:21 |
| sbalneav | right | 22:22 |
| sbalneav | that is apparently what triggers it. | 22:23 |
| sbalneav | so, see if you can trigger it, then we can see if there's another bbug lurking in there. | 22:23 |
| sbalneav | We fix it, you install the fix... | 22:23 |
| sbalneav | Problem solved :) | 22:23 |
| dgroos | OK! | 22:23 |
| sbalneav | But, not 'till I get home at least, since it's time for me to head home from work and get some dindin | 22:24 |
| sbalneav | I should be back at the keyboard by 6:30 -> 7:00 cst | 22:25 |
| dgroos | Thanks, back to you then! | 22:26 |
| dgroos | wow-- I put a space before the username and login seemed to work initially, but it stalled before the login screen appeared. | 22:41 |
| dgroos | I did, "sudo du -sh *" inside this users home folder. I watch the dev directory quickly grow in size. It started at 176 KB, did it again 45 seconds later and it was 100 MB. Did it a minute or two later and it was 548 MB, a minute or so later and it was 921 MB. And there it stays. | 22:44 |
| dgroos | On the client it now says, "An add-in card in the system appeared to not work correctly on the last boot attempt... (then there's a note that says to push F1 to boot). Which I did, then it didn't login and instead went to the screen it normally shows when the thin client fails to boot. | 22:48 |
| dgroos | I'm heading home too--I'll be back later. | 22:48 |
| dgroos | Ahmuck-Jr: thanks for asking :) | 22:49 |
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