=== juliux is now known as Guest84476 === jussio1 is now known as Guest88592 === TuxPurple_ is now known as Guest40273 === nixternal_ is now known as nixternal [03:33] Hi anyone here? I've a question how do you automatically run local app on thin client without typing ltsp-localapps (program)? [03:35] permantly? [03:38] madcat: [03:38] Hi ahmuck-jr, yes because we're using it forever [03:38] Our thin clients are fat clients so to speak [03:38] u can do a fat client mode, or u can do drbl for fat clients [03:39] u can also put localapps in your lts.conf [03:39] What's a fat client mode? Or drbl? [03:39] Yes I've edited my lts.conf [03:39] nubae had a fat client mode script [03:39] I've followed the guide on help.ubuntu, but it doesn't show up on the menu [03:39] after editing the script, you need to enter chroot and install the apps in chroot [03:39] what apps are these? [03:40] They're simple apps open-office, totem, gimp, you should see a (ws12) on the app top window if it's running local right? [03:41] but mine won't show up, I need to still type ltsp-localapps everytime [03:41] Isn't it suppose to be automatically launched locally in the menu? [03:41] u chrooted these apps? [03:41] Yes [03:41] rebuilt the client [03:41] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPLocalAppsJaunty followed this [03:42] I already rebuilt it [03:43] also when I launch them from Applications> etc... and I do ltsp-localapps xterm ps aux | grep (program) it doesn't show to be running [03:44] The reason I'm asking is some of my co workers, don't know how to type in the CLI ltsp-localapps (program) [03:44] wow, out of my leage [03:44] i don't recall going through anything that contovoluted [03:45] and you shouldn't have to type in ltsp-localapps [03:45] I'm sorry, I'm using Ubuntu not edubuntu [03:45] Don't worry, thanks for your help! [03:46] :) [03:53] madcat: i use ubuntu [03:53] u can ask ltsp questions here. ur wanting stgraber [03:53] er, sbalneav [05:06] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DisklessUbuntuHowto - wow, so many options [05:07] this howto, it's not drbl or ltsp or ldap ?! [05:10] Ahmuck-Jr: It's just implementing LTSP the way it started out originally. [05:10] how's that [05:11] btw, epaphus and madcat both in ltsp have ltsp questions i cannot answer [05:11] do you ever get tired of answering the same questions? [05:11] No, I don't mind. [05:11] brb, I'll announce myself in #ltsp [05:12] Ahmuck-Jr: the link you posted just uses remote hard disk space, nothing more [05:12] Ahmuck-Jr: the very first implementation of LTSP that Jim did as a test was NFS root dir mounted read/write, like they're doing. [05:12] Similar to AoE [05:12] right. [05:13] It doesn't involve thin clients [05:13] (hi all :)) [05:13] I did something similar to this 15 years ago with 68030 sun workstations. [05:13] there's 50 bazillion different ways you can do thin clients on unix machines. [05:14] All LTSP is is just one "nicely prepackaged" method of doing it. [05:15] The only reason why LTSP became the "de facto" (if you can call it that) project is because: [05:15] 1) Jim did a LOT of chatting it up in the beginning, [05:15] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPLocalAppsJaunty is this doc up to date? [05:15] is this really what needs to happen in jaunty? [05:15] 2) Eric implemented it in K12LTSP [05:16] 3) We managed to attract a fairly high-quality cadre of people who liked what we were doing, and spread it around. [05:19] alkisg: have you looked at drbl? [05:19] i'm kinda looking at fat clients as well, but not sure if ltsp is the way to go [05:20] Ahmuck: yes, I didn't like it at all [05:20] why? [05:20] It's a pack of patches that don't integrate with anything [05:20] sbalneav: stgraber posted jaunty localapps above, is that doc correct? one has to follow all those things for local apps? or is the ltsp doc correct? [05:21] someone suggested that drbl was not being maintained?! [05:21] Ahmuck: let's continue on LTSP, it won't be easy to talk in 2 pages at once [05:21] well drbl isn't really ltsp, but might apply to edubuntu classrooms [05:21] i didn't want to make the ltsp guys upset [05:24] Ahmuck: no don't worry the ltsp guys don't get easily upset :) [05:24] Just a warning, don't try drbl in a system that you don't want to format it afterwards :) [05:24] It doesn't get properly uninstalled. It doesn't use the packaging system much. [05:25] Some of us snarkier b*st*rds make pointed comments from time to time, but all in good fun :) [05:26] clonezilla server uses drbl [05:26] drbl live [05:27] been looking at cloning 30+ computers at a time [05:27] then using ldap/nfs for authentication/storage [05:27] Ahmuck: Never worry about offending anyone in LTSP by discussing thin client systems other than LTSP. [05:28] Most of us have all played around with other thin client solutions. We come back to LTSP for a variety of reasons. [05:29] Most of the time the people come back to us because we're the only Free Software thin client project that both actively developed, AND actively supported. [05:29] Plus we're good people to hang around with if you like Beer and Lobster. And steak :) [05:38] well, i'm allergic to beer, and don't think i've ever had lobster [05:38] but i do raise beef! [05:38] On the hoof? [05:38] Moo! [05:38] yep [05:39] we could host a convention and have all the beef one would need [05:39] So long as I don't have to get it myself :( [05:40] I'm squeamish, which, for a meat eater, is a logically inconsistent thing to be.... but there it is. [05:40] I don't mind my meat already cut up on to nice little styrofoam trays, but I can't look bessie in the eye :( [05:41] Where's your ranch? How many acres? [05:42] kansas [05:42] center of the continent [05:45] Section? Quarter section [05:45] ? [05:45] My cottage is on 40 acres that part of it was used as cattle grazing land. [05:47] *yawn* [05:47] Headin' to bed. Be on tomorrow, same bat time, same bat channel. === Guest88592 is now known as jussi01 === Ahmuck-Sr_ is now known as Ahmuck-Sr === TuxPurple_ is now known as TuxPurple [14:48] Morning all [14:55] hi sbalneav! [18:35] http://blog.freenode.net/2009/12/december-8-2009-connectivity-issues-and-netsplits/ [19:10] Good afternoon--got a question. [19:11] I had that recursive fd/3/fd/3/fd deal again and it brought down my server and it's my lunch so have a few moments to try to fix it. [19:14] sbalneav had mentioned a bug in a program that had been fixed awhile back in the stgraber's Launchpad. [19:16] I thought I re-updated the things from this launchpad, but it seems that I've got this error again. [19:16] My server has been working about 7 minutes now with [19:17] rm -r fd (which contains the massive bloated file. Now going on 8 minutes... [19:19] where is this bug documented? [19:34] ping stgraber [20:08] asanchez: pong [20:13] stgraber, edubuntu menu editor looks very interesting [20:13] we've just solved our divert problems using XDG as you recommend us in barcelona [20:14] but menu editor is still interesting for these classrooms that want a more reduce educational menu [20:16] currently we have most of our developers working in a new collaboration tool (https://launchpad.net/guadalinexedu-collaboration-tool) and in a usb stick for unnattended installations [20:17] but I think we can help you testing your alpha and beta releases [20:35] asanchez: cool, I'll let you know when we have something working. We'll also be looking for some example menus to include in the package. [20:36] Our education menu has a lot of things, I think is a bad example [20:37] we receive everyday requests for new applications and menu is becoming a monster === TuxPurple_ is now known as TuxPurple [20:39] http://www.guadalinexedu.org/img/background_guadalinexedu_650x406.png [21:11] stgraber: when you said we'll have live LTSP in the edubuntu DVD... has someone been assigned this? Or it's just a thought? [21:19] stgraber: so, because I want to do something similar, should I be working on that? Or should I just wait? (I prefer the second choice of course :)) [21:25] bump... [21:26] infinite recursion creates GB of fd/3/fd/3/fd/3... [21:26] help? [21:31] dgroos: hi [21:31] restate the question in laymans terms [21:32] Ahmuck-Jr: howdy [21:33] I tried to start my computers during 2nd period today, they wouldn't work correctly. I jumped ship from my room and went to a computer lab that happened to be empty then. [21:34] When I was able to investigate things, I checked Hard drive memory and found the disk was FULL. [21:36] I tracked down some of the bloat to a specific user's dev directory. There was a directory in there called, "fd". [21:37] inside of that was a directory called, "3", inside of that there was a directory called, "fd", "3" was in that, fd in that... and so in down the line... [21:39] I removed the fd directory as root user: rm -r fd when I was in the users dev directory. 14 minutes later, the command completed, and the hard drive was 27 GB lighter! [21:40] sbalneav had said this was a bug in ... I don't remember... but that it had been fixed in stgraber's Launchpad. [21:40] I have his launchpad as a source, updated/installed, but I get this fatal problem again. [21:41] dgroos: yeah, it's cause by spaces in usernames apparently === ikonia_ is now known as ikonia [22:17] Anyone? [22:20] Anyone what? [22:20] I responded :) [22:21] :) [22:21] can you reproduce the problem by putting a space in the username? [22:21] what do you mean, put a space in the name? when I login? [22:22] right [22:23] that is apparently what triggers it. [22:23] so, see if you can trigger it, then we can see if there's another bbug lurking in there. [22:23] We fix it, you install the fix... [22:23] Problem solved :) [22:23] OK! [22:24] But, not 'till I get home at least, since it's time for me to head home from work and get some dindin [22:25] I should be back at the keyboard by 6:30 -> 7:00 cst [22:26] Thanks, back to you then! [22:41] wow-- I put a space before the username and login seemed to work initially, but it stalled before the login screen appeared. [22:44] I did, "sudo du -sh *" inside this users home folder. I watch the dev directory quickly grow in size. It started at 176 KB, did it again 45 seconds later and it was 100 MB. Did it a minute or two later and it was 548 MB, a minute or so later and it was 921 MB. And there it stays. [22:48] On the client it now says, "An add-in card in the system appeared to not work correctly on the last boot attempt... (then there's a note that says to push F1 to boot). Which I did, then it didn't login and instead went to the screen it normally shows when the thin client fails to boot. [22:48] I'm heading home too--I'll be back later. [22:49] Ahmuck-Jr: thanks for asking :)