[00:00] <Riddell> Lex79: dude, you've thought of everything
[00:01] <Lex79> :)
[00:01] <Riddell> Lex79: so tomorrow morning I should copy over to the beta PPA and announce?
[00:01] <nixternal> this just in:  kdeedu is kicking my ass
[00:02] <Lex79> Riddell: yes thanks
[00:02] <nixternal> Lex79: did you finish the kdeedu stuff in karmic?
[00:02] <Lex79> I thought it's not finished yet in lucid
[00:03] <nixternal> ok, that's what I am working on now...I would like to get the R backend included, but it is FTBFS due to KIO::NetAccess shit...trying to figure that out
[00:03] <nixternal> should be done tonight, one way or the other...ie. with or without R support
[00:05] <JontheEchidna> Lex79: new patch
[00:05] <JontheEchidna> [18:56:47] <sandsmark> JontheEchidna: squashed just for you: http://qt.gitorious.org/~sandsmark/qt/sandsmarks-kde-qt-with-updated-phonon/commit/ff5549e03b1f000f5d3520a5c1d6b2c4e0d3866b
[00:06] <Lex79> JontheEchidna: the diff is made with qt 4.6.0 or kde-qt ?
[00:06] <JontheEchidna> kde-qt I think
[00:07] <JontheEchidna> It might be best to make a qt -> kdeqt patch that is separate from the phonon update patch if we haven't done so already
[00:08] <Lex79> The fast way is download sandsmark branch and diff against 4.6.0, that it was I done yesterday
[00:09] <Lex79> Riddell: can you upload that? http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kdebase-workspace/ubuntu/revision/234
[00:09] <Riddell> Lex79: ok
[00:25] <nixternal> what is the purpose of installgen? seems I missed that conversation :)
[00:36] <ScottK> nixternal: AFAIK it can be removed.
[00:36] <nixternal> well I see every package, but kdeedu, has an installgen file
[00:36] <nixternal> that isn't the same installgen from perl is it?
[00:37] <ScottK> probably because I removed that one.
[00:37] <ScottK> I think it's a build artifact.
[00:42] <Daskreech> Anyone getting codec errors in kaffeine ?
[00:43] <Riddell> ScottK: so close https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-runtime/4:4.3.80-0ubuntu8/+build/1396928/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-lucid-armel.kdebase-runtime_4:4.3.80-0ubuntu8_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[00:44] <JontheEchidna> ScottK, nixternal: debian uses it with some black magic to produce .install files
[00:46] <ScottK> Riddell: Very close.  I guess we need the qt-phonon patch and retry.
[00:47] <ScottK> Riddell: kdenetwork built after the qimageblitz rebuild.  So progress.
[02:05] <jjesse> why does firefox on kubuntu seem to be so slow for me w/ multiple tabs?
[02:05] <jjesse> same box running windows i don't expereince so much of a slowness
[02:10] <jjesse> JontheEchidna: what was your package that changes the desktop background based on the weather?
[02:10] <JontheEchidna> jjesse: it's in with several other plugins in plasma-wallpapers-addons
[02:12] <jjesse> JontheEchidna: thanks, do i use the BBC as the source or use NOAA?
[02:12] <JontheEchidna> in 4.3 BBC works the best
[02:12] <JontheEchidna> though both should work in 4.4, come beta2
[02:13] <jjesse> hrmm i can't find grand rapids, mi
[02:13] <jjesse> do i search by the city or by the weather code?
[02:14] <JontheEchidna> city name
[02:14] <jjesse> hrmm no cities that i've search for are showing up, grand rapids, or detroit, or chicago
[02:17] <Daskreech> jjesse: I forget but at some point I just went and found the code and put it in. I really can't remember now if it was the wallpaper or some weather plasmoid though my memory is telling me it was a plasmoid
[02:17]  * Daskreech still thinks there should be a kubuntu-komplete package
[02:17] <JontheEchidna> oh yeah, the bbc broke their search engine recently
[02:17] <JontheEchidna> again :(
[02:20] <Daskreech> though apachelogger suggests kubuntu-dvd may make more sense
[02:20] <Daskreech> maco: ping
[02:30] <jjesse> thats a bummer
[02:33] <Daskreech> Hmm?
[02:34] <Daskreech> oh BBC
[02:35] <jjesse> yeah and when i select NOAA it finds my city but doesn't change the background ever
[03:54] <Lex79> JontheEchidna: qt4 uploaded to ninja
[03:54] <ScottK> Lex79: Is it in bzr too?
[03:55] <Lex79> ScottK: no, should I upload?
[03:55] <ScottK> Lex79: Which Qt change is this?
[03:55] <ScottK> Is this the one with the phonon fixes in it?
[03:55] <Lex79> ScottK: yes
[03:56] <ScottK> Lex79: I'd put it in bzr then so Riddell or I can upload it.
[03:58] <Lex79> ScottK: before uploading we have to rebuild kdebase-runtime against that and see if build works
[03:58] <ScottK> Lex79: OK.  That's good, but it should still be in bzr.  If it doesn't work out, bzr revert is easy enough.
[03:58] <Lex79> and JontheEchidna working today on that but it was ftbs, so now I change the patch
[03:58] <ScottK> OK.
[04:07] <tsimpson> koffice needs re-queueing for lucid
[04:07] <Daskreech> Is there a koffice-kde4 for Lynx ?
[04:09] <tsimpson> koffice in a cli web browser, wow
[04:13]  * Daskreech still wants a aalib plugin for w3m to support images
[05:08] <ScottK> Riddell: kdegraphics built on armel, so another one knocked out.
[05:28] <r4v3nsw0rd> oh, nice, twinkle is now properly in the system tray as opposed to floating randomly
[05:29] <nixternal> I finally fixed the kdeedu package issue...funny thing is we need to patch a CMakeLists.txt file, whereas nobody else has to
[05:31] <nixternal> by fixed, I mean cantor finally builds...I am sure there are some fubarred .install files yet to come
[05:34]  * Daskreech votes for nepomuk working out of the box as goal for Lynx
[06:13] <nixternal> ScottK: kdeedu built, nothing missing, new cantor (with all backends available) and rocs packages included...just dput it as well as uploaded changes to bzr
[06:26] <Daskreech> nixternal: this is for lynx?
[06:26] <nixternal> for now it is, until Lex79 backports it :)
[07:01] <markey> warning to Chromium users:
[07:01] <markey> latest Daily Build is totally borked
[07:01] <markey> don't upgrade :)
[07:01] <markey> is there any way to downgrade to yesterday's build?
[07:02] <Daskreech> http://identi.ca/conversation/16750743#notice-16750743
[07:02] <Daskreech> They joy continues
[07:03] <Daskreech> markey: Why don't you use the beta PPA instead of the daily?
[07:03] <markey> I don't know, tbh :)
[07:03] <markey> someone recommended this to me
[07:03] <markey> ehm
[07:03] <markey> I am using a PPA
[07:03] <markey> maybe you misunderstood
[07:04] <markey> # Mozilla Daily Build PPA:
[07:04] <markey> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-mozilla-daily/ppa/ubuntu karmic main
[07:04] <markey> deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-mozilla-daily/ppa/ubuntu karmic main
[07:04] <markey> ^
[07:04] <markey> I think it comes from there
[07:04] <markey> IIRC
[07:05] <Daskreech> Swap daily with beta?
[07:06] <Daskreech> lOL at TM repos Nice that Lefty gets his own trademark
[07:06] <markey> ah wait
[07:06] <markey> the problem might have fixed itself
[07:07] <markey> Chromium uses some very smart code for analyzing itself
[07:07] <markey> restarted it again
[07:07] <markey> and it seems better now
[07:07] <markey> you can see what it does when it takes a long time to start
[07:07] <markey> then it reconfigures some parameters internally
[07:09] <markey> yeah
[07:09] <markey> seems fixed now :)
[07:09] <markey> chromium++
[07:14] <Daskreech> Sweet
[07:14]  * jussi01 waves. did someone get the meeting date sorted from doodle? or do I need to still do it?
[07:15] <Daskreech> That said, I feel KDE and Gnome are just about on par with one another anymore.
[07:15] <Daskreech> I never understand what the internet means anymore :(
[07:16] <markey> hm?
[07:20] <Sput> that grammar didn't make sense :)
[07:22] <Daskreech> I know and as near as I can guess he was saying that KDE and Gnome are equivalent
[07:23] <Daskreech> But i can't figure out if that judgement is true or if it is which has caught up with which
[07:30] <Sput> uh, gNOme is still stuck in the 1990s
[07:30] <Sput> there hasn't been any real innovation in the past few years
[07:32] <markey> I still don't get what Daskreech meant
[07:32] <markey> might need another coffee
[07:43] <Daskreech> markey: Chromium is nice for G* sites
[07:43] <markey> not only that
[07:43] <markey> nice for everything :)
[07:43] <Daskreech> Sput: That's why they are having a Gnome 3.0
[07:43] <markey> freaking fast
[07:44] <Sput> Daskreech: 3.0 is just 2.30 relabeled
[07:44] <Daskreech> feels that way
[07:44] <Sput> there is *no* innovation
[07:44] <Daskreech> and not eating my CPU either
[07:44] <Daskreech> Sput: 2.32 didn't you get the Memo? :)
[07:45] <Daskreech> Sput: and I think not having files is an interesting innovation
[07:46] <Sput> not having files?
[07:47] <Daskreech> Zeitgeist is supposed to abstract away the files and file system
[07:52] <Sput> isn't that mostly a subset of what akonadi/nepomuk do?
[07:52] <Sput> sparql and all?
[07:54] <Daskreech> Yes but it's a subset of qhat Zeitgist is as well
[07:54] <Daskreech> Just that it has a goal of eliminating the need for a file system type heirarchy structure
[07:55] <Sput> that's just because gtk's filedialog sucks
[07:55] <Sput> and they don't manage to get it usable :P
[07:56] <Daskreech> Oh lord does it suck
[07:56] <Daskreech> Not the Zeitgest's is any better
[07:56] <Daskreech> possibly slightly worse
[07:56] <Sput> I'm sure they have conducted professional usability studies that prove it's the best way to do it
[07:56] <Daskreech> I'm sure they haven't
[07:56] <Sput> they did that for the ok/cancel button order too
[07:57] <Sput> proving that it's easier for the user
[07:57] <Daskreech> Last I saw of Zeitgeist's it was pretty bad
[07:57] <Sput> except if he has ever used or will ever be using another platform
[07:57] <Daskreech> and most people didn't know what was going on.
[07:57] <Daskreech> But after it comes out give it a year or two then I'll pass judgement on what I think of the project
[07:58] <Daskreech> Using another platform isn't a problem because Gnome is all encompassing :)
[07:59] <Daskreech> Seriously though button order isn't that bad. I've seen apps put the button order randomly to force the user to read what was happening
[07:59] <Daskreech> That was annoying. But switching two buttons doesn't make that much of a difference
[07:59] <Daskreech> I'd rail more against OSZ moving buttnos allll the way to the other side of the window
[08:00] <Daskreech> I'm such a KDE ho :(
[08:10] <markey> I seriously think it's only a matter of (little?) time until shuttleworth replaces GNOME with KDE
[08:10] <markey> GNOME is a technological dead-end
[08:10] <markey> there is no saving it, at this point
[08:10] <markey> (plus the ethical issues)
[08:12] <markey> check this article: http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/osrc/article.php/12068_3852391_3/KDE-44-Beta-Incremental-Doesnt-Mean-Directionless.htm
[08:12] <markey> and then enjoy a quote from a comment:
[08:12] <markey> "KDE has become unique and no disrespect intended: It is simply the best DE available for computers, and with the momentum and fantastic creativity it's a moving target that any other OS or DE will struggle to catch."
[08:12] <markey> which is (sorry to say) the truth
[08:13] <markey> I checked out Windows 7 the other day, it's Vista with Plasma on top
[08:14] <markey> they even copied our clock thing, and the config thing, the task-bar. it all looks very similar :)
[08:29] <ghostcube> morning folks :)
[08:31] <Daskreech> markey: You mistake technology and vision as a recipe for success :)
[08:31] <markey> do I? :)
[08:31] <markey> time will tell
[08:32] <Daskreech> Too many times I've seen the better technology get ignored in favour of the shiny or the heavy marketed
[08:32] <ghostcube> yeah
[08:32] <ghostcube> :)
[08:32] <ghostcube> like no one needs blue ray
[08:33] <ghostcube> o.o
[08:33] <Daskreech> Ha ha
[08:33] <ghostcube> except the film industry
[08:33] <Daskreech> I do
[08:33] <Daskreech> hi hunger_t
[08:33] <hunger_t> Daskreech: Hi!
[08:34] <hunger_t> Daskreech: What is happening on the ubuntu front?
[08:34] <Daskreech> hunger_t: We march forward!! and we have Timelords now
[08:34] <markey> we have another advantage: our community is much less divided than theirs
[08:34] <Daskreech> markey: Than Windows?
[08:34] <markey> they quarrel about the whoe Mono thing, etc
[08:34] <markey> GNOME
[08:34] <Daskreech> Oh Gnome
[08:35] <markey> quarreling happens in Windows too, you just don't get to see it ;)
[08:35] <Daskreech> Pfft Comparing community is not even an exercise
[08:35] <Daskreech> markey: In MS of course. But that's the not the community that counts
[08:35] <hunger_t> Wow, timelords. Cool.
[08:36] <Daskreech> hunger_t: very much so. How's Telepathy?
[08:36] <Daskreech> markey: I think it's interesting that MS has people excited about Windows 7
[08:36] <hunger_t> Daskreech: I gave up on that long ago. It just sucks too hard.
[08:36] <Daskreech> hunger_t: Give it lollipops?
[08:37] <hunger_t> Daskreech: Plus my last employer was telling me I was stealing company resources to work on that project, so I *had* to stop:-)
[08:37] <hunger_t> Daskreech: I was very much tempted to do a alternative spec:-)
[08:37] <ghostcube> they exited with win7 cause they ripped half of the code in this house :D
[08:37] <markey> Daskreech: with that amount of money, you could make people interested about donuts wrapped in crap
[08:37] <Daskreech> Not a bad idea if it was well thought out
[08:37] <Daskreech> ghostcube: Good point :)
[08:37] <ghostcube> heh
[08:38] <Daskreech> Did you see that BestBuy was susing KDE4 to sell Windows Laptops?
[08:38] <Daskreech> using
[08:38] <hunger_t> markey: Win7 is actually pretty OK. Not great, but better than vista (which I did not find as bad as everybody said it was, too)
[08:38] <ghostcube> :O
[08:38] <Daskreech> hunger_t: Where are you working now?
[08:38] <ghostcube> hunger_t: it hasent be so difficult to be better than vista
[08:38] <hunger_t> Daskreech: Nokia. Hacking merrily on QtCreator.
[08:38] <Daskreech> hunger_t: When did you buy into Vista?
[08:38] <ghostcube> cause this was gameboy os ion workstations
[08:39] <hunger_t> Daskreech: Dunno. Came with the box, runs the occassional game I like to play.
[08:39] <Daskreech> hunger_t: ha! fantastic. Though I think that Telepathy would find interest at Nokia
[08:39] <ghostcube> woha btw anyyone played assasins creed 2
[08:39] <ghostcube> wow
[08:39] <ghostcube> definetly wow
[08:39] <ghostcube> this would be cool to have on ubuntu
[08:39] <hunger_t> Daskreech: Telepathy is funded by nokia.
[08:39] <ghostcube> :D
[08:39] <Daskreech> Actually Bluetooth would find interest. Get them to pay you to make KDE Bluetooth seamless :)
[08:39] <apachelogger> caonincal could reinvent telepathy :P
[08:39] <ghostcube> :D
[08:39] <ghostcube> hi apachelogger
[08:39] <apachelogger> that said, ahoy
[08:39] <hunger_t> Daskreech: Ever has been. That might be why it works reasonably in the controlled environment of a phone...
[08:40] <apachelogger> markey: gnome might be quarreling over mono, kde however over quassel vs. konvi ;)
[08:40] <Daskreech> hunger_t: Well if you had an alternative spec that is better designed put it on paper and ship it out
[08:41] <ghostcube> you talk about this damn thingy taken from windoos to unix env and was called mono brain cell use ?
[08:41] <Daskreech>  the reason they want Trolls and Qt is to unify the software stack across all computers and phones
[08:41]  * apachelogger hugs hunger_t for qt creater 1.3
[08:41] <hunger_t> Daskreech: That's the problem: I'd need a website and quite a bit of promo and stuff.
[08:41] <apachelogger> much nicer for c development than 1.2 for some reason :D
[08:41] <hunger_t> apachelogger: I have only tested that one:-)
[08:41] <Daskreech> Making a proper spec that works across computers and phones is something they would be willing to throw weight behind
[08:41]  * apachelogger finds testing most important
[08:42] <hunger_t> apachelogger: The next version will have some things I did though. And it will be really ALWSOME (not only due to my stuff:-)
[08:42] <Daskreech> apachelogger: And kdevelop vs Qt creator as well as KHTML vs Webkit
[08:42] <apachelogger> always these heaps of awesomeness
[08:43] <hunger_t> Daskreech: I do not see those:-)
[08:43] <Daskreech> hunger_t: which?
[08:43] <apachelogger> Daskreech: I do not think that kdevelop and qt creator can really contest on many levels
[08:43] <hunger_t> Daskreech: KHTML is dead, Qt ctreator and kdevelpo seem to coexist nicely.
[08:44]  * apachelogger does his weekly android updates
[08:46]  * Daskreech wants to do android updates :(
[08:47]  * hunger_t just hops to finally get a decent wlan widget in kde 4.4.
[08:47] <Daskreech> Never!!!
[08:47] <apachelogger> mhh, new facebook app
[08:47] <hunger_t> The official one seems to suck again and the ubuntu one is really ugly.
[08:47] <Daskreech> hunger_t: Why would you need your own site/promo ?
[08:48] <apachelogger> wlan widget?
[08:48] <hunger_t> Daskreech: Because I need a place to put the spec, the code, faq, etc
[08:48] <hunger_t> Daskreech: And without promo such any project is just dead.
[08:48] <apachelogger> oh
[08:48] <apachelogger> Daskreech: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/android/notificationbar.png
[08:49] <Daskreech> hunger_t: I was looking at it as an update to the Telepathy spec
[08:50] <hunger_t> Daskreech: No chance for that. Collabora won't let other people play.
[08:50] <hunger_t> Daskreech: They are making quite a bit of money with that spec... they won't just have anyone walk in and take over.
[08:51] <Daskreech> Again it's not taking over :)
[08:51] <Daskreech> It's advancing it to be more playable
[08:51] <hunger> Daskreech: I tried that for 3 years... *no* success whatsoever.
[08:51] <Daskreech> expanding the viabilty of the spec is in their interest isn't it
[08:52] <Daskreech> Wow :) ok then yeah make something that shoots them down
[08:52] <hunger> Daskreech: Those guys are afraid of abstraction... which kind of sucks for developers of an abstraction layer:-(
[08:52] <hunger> Daskreech: I do not have the resources to shoot them down:-)
[08:53] <ghostcube> webkit is fine so far
[08:53] <ghostcube> i just run the gtk port
[08:53] <ghostcube> but in midori it gets better each release
[08:53] <ghostcube> it lags a lot of needed ones so far but it gets better
[08:54] <Daskreech> hun who would be interested in a more abstract spec?
[08:54] <lubyou> is there still anybody working on packaging 4.4 beta 1?
[08:55] <Daskreech> Yes
[08:55] <hunger> Daskreech: Everybody who does not want to eat through the implementation details of half a douzend different protocols, each leaking into the spec.
[08:56] <Daskreech> apachelogger: What is that highlighting?
[08:56] <hunger> Daskreech: Everybody who does want to know whether a module will work before actually loading and trying it.
[08:56] <apachelogger> Daskreech: my filled up notificationbar, show casing that android needs a different solution for notificaitons :P
[08:56] <Daskreech> So mostly software folks?
[08:56]  * apachelogger notes that his bar is sometimes even more full than on the screenie
[08:57] <Daskreech> apachelogger: Iwas trying to figure out what those things were at the top
[08:57] <hunger> Daskreech: You know that the preferred method of finding out which version of the spec is supported by a telepathy CM is to get all interfaces you are interested in and count the methods exported via D-Bus?
[08:57] <ghostcube> woha full android so far apachelogger
[08:57] <Daskreech> Google has really 1/2 baked software stacks
[08:57] <ghostcube> :S
[08:57]  * hunger will stop ranting and get back to work:-)
[08:59] <Daskreech> hunger: Sad though Hardware people are more likely to throw money at you
[08:59] <Daskreech> Software people are less likely to show backing without something working
[10:09] <ulysses__> Kubuntu meeting tomorrow at 18:00 UTC?
[11:08] <ScottK> nixternal: Nice (kdeedu)
[11:24] <Riddell> I'm copying 4.4 beta 1 from staging to beta PPA
[11:24] <ghostcube> :O
[11:24] <ghostcube> knutsch
[11:24] <ghostcube> :-*
[11:24] <ghostcube> :)
[11:25] <maco> haha
[11:25] <ghostcube> heh
[11:25] <Riddell> anyone able to test it?
[11:25] <ghostcube> later sure
[11:25] <ghostcube> at work ;(
[11:26] <jussi01> Riddell: which is the beta ppa... /me is confused...
[11:26] <ghostcube> pure ppa or without anything
[11:26] <ghostcube> i think so
[11:26] <maco> kubuntu-ppa-beta i think
[11:26] <ghostcube> o.O
[11:26] <ghostcube> another one
[11:27]  * ghostcube thinks we got too much ppa this days
[11:27] <ghostcube> :D
[11:27] <maco> ~kubuntu-ppa/beta
[11:28] <apachelogger> Riddell: could you please reply to the updates, upgrades... thread on the ml?
[11:29] <ghostcube> jussi01: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/beta this one eh ?
[11:30] <Riddell> apachelogger: ok
[11:30] <jussi01> ok, can someone please tell me why we have like a thousand PPA's again? Ive 2 in my sources list and you are asking to add a 3rd?
[11:30] <jussi01> http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/ppa/ubuntu
[11:31] <ghostcube> :D
[11:31] <ghostcube> i have 4 in my sources
[11:31] <jussi01> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/backports/ubuntu karmic main
[11:31] <ghostcube> backport backport beta ppa and experimental
[11:31] <ghostcube> o.O
[11:31] <Riddell> jussi01: because different people want different packages
[11:32] <ghostcube> good point :P
[11:32] <Tm_T> so we have stable and beta "branches" (:
[11:32] <Tm_T> makes sense
[11:32] <ghostcube> yeah we get debian clone
[11:32] <ghostcube> :D
[11:32] <freeflying> even experimental
[11:32]  * ghostcube hides
[11:32] <freeflying> more flexiable than debian
[11:33] <ghostcube> just joking :)
[11:33]  * jussi01 doesnt particularly like it, but ok. If thats how it is...
[11:33] <ScottK> I see workspace built on armel.
[11:34] <Riddell> jussi01: what would you prefer?  that we just overwrite the stable updates with 4.4. beta?
[11:34] <jussi01> Riddell: no, that it goes into experimental.
[11:34] <ghostcube> nah
[11:34] <jussi01> or ppa.
[11:34] <Riddell> experimental is for developers not users
[11:35] <Riddell> ppa is for minor point release updates
[11:35] <jussi01> we have backport, ppa, experimental and now beta...
[11:35] <Riddell> none of which are new
[11:35] <ghostcube> beta-backports makes sense after thinking about
[11:35] <ulysses__> Will be tomorrow a Kubuntu meeting at 18:00 UTC?
[11:36] <Riddell> if anything we should have another one for people wanting say amarok beta without KDE SC beta
[11:36] <Riddell> ulysses__: yes
[11:36] <jussi01> Riddell: oh, yeah, could you confirm that meeting on the ML please!
[11:36] <jussi01> :)
[11:36]  * ulysses__ going to subscribe for membership
[11:40] <Tm_T> Riddell: how did you solve amarok issue?
[11:42] <Riddell> Tm_T: in lucid I patched it not to test for qtscriptgenerator, karmic still doesn't seem to have compiled
[11:42]  * ScottK grumbles about r-base-core and Universe and kdeedu at nixternal and goes off to do some $work
[11:44] <Tm_T> Riddell: roger
[11:47] <Tm_T> do we have support policy of kubuntu-ppa somewhere written down? I mean "this source is fully supported in similar way than regular ubuntu.com sources" or "this particular ppa is not for users, no support whatsoever"
[11:48] <apachelogger> if yum was any slower....
[11:48] <Riddell> Tm_T: hopefully claydoh will do that :)
[11:49] <apachelogger> Tm_T: working on it
[11:49] <Tm_T> apachelogger: aah, great, so I can ref to it (:)
[11:54] <Nightrose> jussi01: can you close the poll? then it doesn't show up as a million entries in my calendar but only one ;-)
[11:55] <Tm_T> Nightrose: we prefer keeping you busy (;)
[11:55] <Riddell> ta da http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-4.4-beta-1
[11:55] <Nightrose> Tm_T: you don't need that poll for that... :D
[11:55] <Nightrose> trust mw
[11:55] <Nightrose> *me
[11:55] <jussi01> Nightrose: done
[11:55] <Nightrose> thx :)
[12:01] <Riddell> Lex79: koffice doesn't need to keep the -kde4 packages
[12:02] <Riddell> it should change to use non-suffixed names
[12:05] <Riddell> only 116 packages in New queue, let's see what can be done about that
[12:05] <ulysses__> I've added the meeting to the Fridge Calendar (http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar) and to the Kubuntu Meeting page (https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Meetings)
[12:06] <Riddell> thanks ulysses__
[12:06] <Riddell> 12:01 < maelcum> public service announcement: update kde-qt to stop the plasma crashes in taskbar code. somebody backported the appropriate bugfix.
[12:07] <Riddell> now if only I knew how to use git...
[12:07] <ulysses__> Riddell: you're welcome
[12:13] <ulysses__> Riddell: For Karmic the apt line isn't 'deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/beta/ubuntu *karmic* main' instead of 'deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/beta/ubuntu *lucid* main'
[12:13] <ulysses__> ?
[12:16] <Riddell> doh
[12:16] <Riddell> fixed, pending cache update
[12:24] <ulysses__> Another issue: after adding the Kubuntu Beta PPA to the sources, the user should use 'sudo apt-get update' and 'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade' (If he/she uses KDE)
[12:36] <Riddell> ulysses__: why?
[12:38] <ulysses__> Riddell: Why 'sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop' ? I think the most users interested in KDE have Kubuntu
[12:40] <ghostcube> i must ack ulysses__ cause i havent thought about installing kubuntu-desktop
[12:40] <ghostcube> i always just do apt-get update && apt-get upgrade ...
[12:43] <Riddell> ulysses__: what are you proposing should be changed?
[12:44] <allee-k> Installatin via lucid daily live iso is borken for the last 3 days. ubiquity kde_ui  does not start.  Is there a known workaround?
[12:44] <Riddell> allee-k:  kdesudo ubiquity   ?
[12:45] <jussi01> Riddell: just about done on the beta install... lets see how this goes...
[12:45] <jussi01> :)
[12:47] <allee-k> Riddell: that was the problem.  So all left todo is to set 'run as root'  is Desktop/Kubuntu Installation 10.04.desktop.
[12:47] <allee-k> Riddell: thx
[12:48] <allee-k> mhmm and maybe a better error msg ;)
[12:50] <Riddell> allee-k: i think it's fixed in bzr
[12:51] <allee-k> Riddell: which repo url?
[12:54] <Riddell> allee-k: lp:ubiquity
[13:03]  * Riddell takes one down, passes around, 17 packges left in New queue
[13:46] <Riddell> waa, new queue is now getting larger, too many of my accepted packages compiling!
[13:48] <JontheEchidna> hehe
[13:50] <JontheEchidna> polkit-qt-1 is compiling on ports... nice
[13:50] <eviljussi01> yay, 4.4 beta plasma crashes.
[13:51] <Riddell> eviljussi01: I had a crash in the systray applet
[13:52] <eviljussi01> Riddell: remind me how to restart plasma.
[13:52] <Riddell> eviljussi01: alt-f2  plasma-desktop
[13:55] <eviljussi01> Riddell: http://pastebin.ca/1715679
[13:55] <Riddell> /usr/lib/kde4/plasma_applet_stasks.so  dunno what that does
[13:56] <Riddell> rm /usr/lib/kde4/plasma_applet_stasks.so  would fix it though :)
[13:56] <eviljussi01> oh, its the alternate task manager
[13:58] <eviljussi01> ok, we are back...
[14:00] <txwikinger> why is jussi evil?
[14:00] <eviljussi01> txwikinger: cant get to quassel right now... this is irssi
[14:01] <txwikinger> rofl
[14:01] <jussi01> and Im back!!
[14:02] <rafasmart> I want to devel a feature similar to what happes in gnome, when someone insert a CD to open package manager. Where I can find documentation about devicekit, dbus whatever, in order to implement this?
[14:03] <Riddell> New queue zero!
[14:04] <Riddell> rafasmart: you would probably need a kded module which would use the solid API to listen for new devices and check them for being packages sources when they appear
[14:05] <Riddell> unfortunately we don't mount devices when they get mounted, might be worth investigating the status of that upstream
[14:05] <Riddell> s/get mounted/get inserted/
[14:07] <Tm_T> mounting automatically without possiblity to turn that automount off is evil, btw
[14:08] <Riddell> Tm_T: why?
[14:09] <Riddell> I don't know how gnome does it, if it mounts, checks if it's a package source, then unmounts  (probably not)
[14:13] <Tm_T> Riddell: for cd it's ok but for example sd-cards and similar ... I often plug something in, and run fsck for it
[14:13] <Riddell> Tm_T: why do they need fsck?
[14:15] <Riddell> debfx: don't forget to merge abiword
[14:16] <Tm_T> Riddell: for example if I know there's something broken in filesystem (:
[14:16] <Tm_T> or just to check
[14:16] <Riddell> maco: you're down to merge hunspell-en-us
[14:16] <maco> Riddell: will do tomorrow
[14:16] <maco> aspell as well?
[14:17] <Riddell> maco: not that I can see (I'm just looking through main.html on merges.u.c)
[14:18] <maco> hm. ok. thought i was TIL on hunspell-en-us and aspell-en or -en-us or whatever it's called
[14:18] <Tm_T> Riddell: reading filesystem shouldn't harm but still, I just don't trust
[14:22] <rafasmart> Riddell: reading about solid, "...Solid::Notifier that will let you know when your camera has been plugged in", but its not used, right? for example, digikam option appears on any device connected
[14:24] <Riddell> rafasmart: that's an action of the sort found in /usr/share/kde4/apps/solid/actions/
[14:24] <Riddell> maybe they could be used for what you're after
[14:36] <binarylooks_> Thanks a lot for the beta packages
[14:37] <Riddell> Lex79 is the dude for them
[14:37] <binarylooks_> \o/ for Lex
[14:45] <rafasmart> Riddell: for me, adding a action by label of CD solve my problem, but not for kubuntu. if the only way to do this is automounting, i think this police(not automount) deserves be discussed
[14:45] <JontheEchidna> Will polkit-qt-1 require an MIR, since it's basically polkit-qt updated for the new policykit-1 API?
[14:45] <JontheEchidna> oh, already in main :)
[14:45] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: I already put it in main
[14:46] <Riddell> rafasmart: it's a decent quick solution, do you have a .desktop file which works?
[14:46] <JontheEchidna> http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/polkit-kde-1 <- if everything is fine here I can upload the kde frontend
[14:47] <JontheEchidna> then as long as software-center depends on policykit-1-gnome | polkit-kde-1 it can use either :)
[14:47] <rafasmart> as i said, for me, because i know the labels i want. but for a generic solution not workk
[14:48] <rafasmart> s/for me/is a solution for me
[15:15] <JontheEchidna> uploading polkit-kde-1 since it's basically the packaging from policykit-kde when it was standalone
[15:15] <debfx> Riddell: why does abiword need merging?
[15:16] <JontheEchidna> We can get PolicyKit-1 support in for KAuth in KDE SC 4.4 beta2, where it actually will compile ;-)
[15:38] <debfx> ah ok, it has already been synced
[15:38] <Riddell> merges must be out of date then, tsk
[15:41] <Lex79> Riddell: so, I have to drop -kde4 to koffice ?
[15:42] <Riddell> Lex79: yeah
[15:42] <Lex79> ok, I'm going to do that
[15:42] <Riddell> thanks
[15:47] <lubyou> what happened to the multimedia settings panel in 4.4 beta 1?
[15:58] <daskReech>  OK Identi.ca implodeed
[16:01] <Riddell> not unlike freenode
[16:10] <Lex79> Riddell: koffice uploaded to bzr, check the control http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/koffice/ubuntu/revision/22/debian/control
[16:11] <Lex79> in koffice metapackage I changed Conflicts: koffice to Conflicts: koffice (<= 1:1.6.3)
[16:11] <Riddell> Lex79: it'll need replaces/conflicts on the -kde4 packages
[16:13] <Lex79> Riddell: in koffice metapackage?
[16:13] <Riddell> Lex79: no in each of the packages
[16:13] <Riddell> kword will need to conflicts: kword-kde4  replaces: kword-kde4
[16:14] <Riddell> etc
[16:15] <Lex79> Riddell: I see, but I have also to keep the current Conflicts/Replaces ?
[16:16] <Riddell> Lex79: they shouldn't conflict with themselves
[16:17] <Riddell> so Conflicts: kword is wrong
[16:17] <Lex79> uhh right
[16:26]  * daskReech chuckles at how to fix a kword conflicts with kword error
[16:46] <Lex79> Riddell: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/koffice/ubuntu/revision/23/debian/control
[16:46] <Riddell> Lex79: no point having "Conflicts: koffice (<= 1:1.6.3)" for koffice, it is a newer version of itself so the older version won't be installed
[16:47] <Riddell> Lex79: looks good
[16:48] <Lex79> Riddell: I dropped koffice (<= 1:1.6.3)
[16:48] <Riddell> oh yes, that's in red
[16:48] <Lex79> yeah :)
[16:48] <Lex79> Riddell: what about Conflicts: koffice-doc-html-kde4, karbon in koffice-doc-html package ?
[16:49] <Lex79> wrong?
[16:49] <Riddell> Lex79: I assume the karbon conflicts was there for a good reason?
[16:50] <Lex79> I think yes and I hope :)
[16:51] <Riddell> Lex79: well I can upload it or we could put it into a PPA to test it first
[16:51] <Riddell> depends on how risky we're feeling
[16:51]  * daskReech chuckles at how to fix a kword conflicts with kword error
[16:51] <daskReech> Whoops
[17:05] <allee-k> Riddell: Colin removed only the exec sudo call from ubiquity.  Desktop file is not fixed in bzr.  The patch http://pastebin.ca/1715878 should fix it.
[17:06] <Riddell> "tualBox/Machines/Lu"?
[17:06] <Riddell> allee-k: something wrong there
[17:10] <allee-k> Riddell: ups didn't 'commit' the update.  Fix: http://pastebin.ca/1715881
[17:11] <Riddell> allee-k: that shouldn't be needed, ubiquity will run itself through kdesudo
[17:11] <Riddell> in bin/ubiquity-wrapper see under "elif frontend == 'kde_ui':"
[17:11] <Riddell> it finds kdesudo and runs it through that
[17:12] <allee-k> Hm, didn't work for me today until I fixed the desktop file.   See Colins change: bzr diff -r 3620..3621 lp:ubiquity
[17:14] <nixternal> damn, I didn't catch r-base-core being in universe for kdeedu :(
[17:14] <nixternal> I don't get why that is in universe
[17:18] <allee-k> Riddell: mhh, from a look at the code kdesudo should be used.  Nevertheless running ubiquity kde_ui   does nothing except writing sockfile to console.   Bug kdesudo ubiquity kde_ui  started the live CD installation.
[17:19] <allee-k> s/Bug/But/
[17:20] <Riddell> allee-k: do you know what toexec ends up as?
[17:21] <allee-k> me searches ubity-wrapper in live CD
[17:23] <Riddell> allee-k: it gets renamed to /usr/bin/ubiquity
[17:31] <allee-k> Riddell: okay, debugged it.  Colins fix is not in live CD yet and when it is.  Ubiquity kde_ui will work again.  So you're right.  Fix is in bzr.
[17:33] <allee-k> bbl
[17:34] <nixternal> I wonder if the archive reorg will fix stupid shit liek depending on universe packages and what not
[17:34] <nixternal> so, we get to release yet another app that doesn't have full support \o/
[17:37] <daskReech> I still need someone to explain that to me. I've readi twice and it still makes no sense to me
[17:47] <ghostcube> so iam going to update now :)
[17:47] <ghostcube> lets see
[17:55] <nixternal> ScottK: welcome back :)  I fixed and uploaded kdeedu without r-base
[17:57] <ScottK> nixternal: Cool.  Since you live closest to Dirk, you have to do the MIR for r-base.
[17:57] <nixternal> how do you know I live closest to Dirk?
[17:58] <nixternal> I actually need to go have a drink with him so he can sign my updated key as well :)
[17:58] <ScottK> Anyone else in Chicago here?
[17:58] <nixternal> yes, nhandler
[17:58] <nixternal> but he isn't here right now
[17:58] <ScottK> Exactly.
[17:59] <ScottK> So it makes the math easy.
[17:59] <nixternal> hey, and that's what R is all about :p
[18:04] <Quintasan|Szel> so hi
[18:04] <daskReech> hi
[18:04] <Quintasan|Szel> are the issues with digikam and showphoto known?
[18:06] <Riddell> Lex79: thinking about koffice, do you know if it has any build-depends which aren't in main?
[18:09]  * Riddell spots a new gtk2-engines-qtcurve
[18:32] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: could you take care of bug 492323, speaking of qtcurve?
[18:37] <Quintasan|Szel> hurr
[18:40] <Quintasan|Szel> Riddell, JontheEchidna, ScottK: well persia told me that if other council members wont vote within few days he'll mark them as abstaining and he will finish processing my application :)
[18:40] <Quintasan|Szel> Thanks for support
[18:41] <daskReech> markey: I was happy till the File dialog
[18:41] <daskReech> markey: back to filing bugs on rekonq for me
[18:43] <ScottK> Not sure.  That one isn't new.
[18:43]  * ScottK made kdepim need kdebase-runtime (so pim-runtime is installable) and admin need kdebase (due to libkonq5-dev)
[18:44] <JontheEchidna> hmm, I don't think anything needs kdebase-runtime to build
[18:44] <JontheEchidna> to run, yes
[18:45] <JontheEchidna> but not build. kdebase-runtime doesn't have any public libraries
[18:47] <Lex79> Riddell: see the changelog for koffice build-deps which aren't in Main
[18:47] <Lex79> Riddell: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/koffice/ubuntu/annotate/head%3A/debian/changelog
[18:48] <Lex79> JontheEchidna: have you tried to build kdebase-runtime against new Qt ?
[18:54] <Lex79> Riddell: optional build-deps for koffice http://pastebin.ca/1716017
[18:58] <Lex79> all build-deps ^^ are in Universe, except for wv2 whic is in main but too old
[18:58] <JontheEchidna> Lex79: kdebase-runtime just passed the point where it used to fail with the old phonon
[18:59] <Lex79> JontheEchidna: this means cmake found phonon? great \o/
[18:59] <Quintasan> It's only me having problems with Nepomuk after update to 4.4 ?
[18:59] <JontheEchidna> I mean old old phonon :P
[18:59] <Lex79> ah :)
[19:00] <JontheEchidna> but yeah, it finds phonon too ;-)
[19:00] <Lex79> Quintasan: I think nepomuk needs Virtuoso to works
[19:00] <Quintasan> hurr we do not have a package for it?
[19:01] <ScottK> Lex79: I think wv2 just got sync'ed or something
[19:01] <Lex79> in ninja, very very experimental package :)
[19:01] <Quintasan> who cares, I can give it a go
[19:01] <ScottK> Quintasan: I think Debina has a package.
[19:01] <ScottK> Debina/Debian
[19:03] <Lex79> ScottK: Debian has virtuoso only in git for now, I merged theirs package and I uploaded to ninja
[19:05] <Quintasan> pretty smooth transition I must say
[19:05] <Quintasan> only nepomuk and KNotify died
[19:07] <daskReech> Quintasan: Argh. So if there is an app for that we have to have a package for that?
[19:10] <Quintasan> daskReech: just what do you mean?
[19:11] <Quintasan> I can't even grasp the gist of your sentence
[19:11] <JontheEchidna> for the transition? nepomuk handles that itself
[19:13] <daskReech> Quintasan|Szel: I just read your we do not have a package for that and heard the Apple rallying cry of We have an app for that!
[19:14] <daskReech> and realised that if there is an app for that we have to have a package for that
[19:17] <amik> I thought of it too a few minutes ago... we can use that in the marketing pages - 'there's a package for that!'
[19:23] <jussi01> stasks doesnt work with the beta it seems.
[19:24] <ulysses__> STasks is abandoned, no? There's a better fork called Smooth Stasks, it is more up-to-date
[19:26] <ulysses__> http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Smooth+Tasks?content=101586
[19:30] <Quintasan> Lex79: ain't working, where is the *.so file
[19:30] <Lex79> dunno, I have to check better that package
[19:51] <ghostcube> ola problemos
[19:51] <ghostcube> cant update
[19:51] <ghostcube> its a file conflict and i cant solve it
[19:54] <ghostcube> http://pastie.org/744580
[19:57] <ghostcube> just remove the file ?
[19:58] <tsimpson> use "sudo dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs5_4%3a4.3.80-0ubuntu7~karmic1~ppa1_amd64.deb", then continue the install
[19:59] <ghostcube> hola your my personal hero i forgotten this command completely
[19:59]  * ghostcube goes in the corner
[20:00] <ghostcube> ok brb :)
[20:01] <JontheEchidna> Lex79: kdebase-runtime w/ phonon support uploaded to -ninjas ppa
[20:01] <Lex79> \o/
[20:03] <Lex79> I'm fixing that ^^ "overwrite" issue
[20:05] <claydoh> are there any known problems with kwin effects in 4.4? I  and others see it disabled or not working atm
[20:06] <mgraesslin> claydoh: yes, mentioned in the Release Note of 4.4 beta 1
[20:07] <claydoh> heh thanks I forgot to check that
[20:08] <Quintasan> Lex79: hm, is Qt from ninjas good enough so I can update without breaking core things?
[20:09] <Lex79> JontheEchidna: don't forget for beta2 that we have to drop libx11-dev in the packages where we had added it in beta1
[20:09] <Lex79> Quintasan: I think you should wait kdebase-runtime building
[20:09] <Quintasan> well since I updated to 4.4 I'm pretty much up for everything
[20:10] <Lex79> ahaha :)
[20:14] <Quintasan> hurr where is my grouping?
[20:21] <Lex79> Riddell: I can't upload a fix for kdelibs in Beta Backport ppa, "PPA exceeded its size limit"
[20:41] <daskReech> Nice. Two dents a few minutes apart. One is trying to figure out why upgrading to Kubuntu KDE 4.4 packages broke compositing the other is trying to figure out how to disable compositing in virtualbox
[20:51] <daskReech> Ah corrected it to turn compositing on not off in Vbox
[20:58] <JontheEchidna> Lex79: phonon works :)
[20:59] <Lex79> JontheEchidna: did you upgrade from ninja? :)
[20:59] <JontheEchidna> yeah. the test sound from the phonon kcm works
[20:59] <JontheEchidna> I'm updating phonon-backends now
[20:59] <Lex79> ohhhhh, very good \o/
[20:59] <Lex79> ok
[21:00] <JontheEchidna> But I think the phonon stuff is good to upload
[21:01] <Lex79> JontheEchidna: what changes you have to do in phonon-backends?
[21:01] <JontheEchidna> just a normal package update
[21:01] <Lex79> ah ok
[21:03] <Lex79> btw Qt with phonon is in bzr http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/qt/ubuntu/revision/47
[21:03] <Lex79> if someone wants upload
[21:11] <nixternal> ScottK: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionReportR-Base :)
[21:12] <nixternal> quick review please
[21:12] <nixternal> it is exactly the same as yesterdays pretty much
[21:15] <ScottK> nixternal: Looks good.
[21:15] <JontheEchidna> cd ../
[21:15] <JontheEchidna> oops
[21:15] <nixternal> 2 MIRs in 2 days, I think I am good for at least the next 3 years
[21:16] <nixternal> anything else need to get done today?
[21:16] <daskReech> JontheEchidna: not as fun as sshing and typing in your password :)
[21:17] <Lex79> nixternal: we need more space in Beta Backport ppa :P
[21:17] <JontheEchidna> that would be disastorous
[21:17] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Did you ever check with asac on libssh?
[21:17] <JontheEchidna> urk, forgot
[21:17] <ScottK> nixternal: Make asac approve the libssh MIR needs doing.
[21:21] <Riddell> Lex79: upload the kdelibs fix to staging and I'll copy it over
[21:21] <Lex79> ok
[21:21] <JontheEchidna> btw, kdebase-runtime w/ phonon support is in bzr too, if anybody wanted to sponsor that along with Qt
[21:22] <JontheEchidna> oh, I forgot to bump the libphonon dep version, just a sec
[21:22] <Lex79> :)
[21:23] <JontheEchidna> ok, all in bzr
[21:31] <daskReech> JontheEchidna: depends on how fast your fingers are versus random script kid in the IRC chan :)
[21:32] <JontheEchidna> what would be more disastorous would be my gpg signing passphrase
[21:38] <daskReech> That would hurt
[21:40] <JontheEchidna> kde svn rev 1062764 needs an SRU, if any minion is looking for something to do
[21:40] <JontheEchidna> kde svn 1062764
[21:40]  * JontheEchidna slaps ubottu
[21:41] <daskReech> We should have some listing of Ninjas and jobs they have available for minions somewhere
[21:41] <daskReech> we could throw that in the topic and have people attack it as they come in
[21:41] <JontheEchidna> related bug is bug 433486
[21:47] <JontheEchidna> grr, a kubuntu-dev can't upload phonon-backends either so I'll have to get sponsorship for that as well :S
[21:48] <JontheEchidna> So, I can't upload: akonadi, soprano, kde4libs, kdebase-runtime, kdebase-workspace, qt4-x11 or phonon-backends
[21:49] <ghostcube> hmm ok iam on 4.4. beta 1
[21:49] <ghostcube> and compiz works fine so far :)
[21:49] <ghostcube> looks ok no probs till now
[21:50] <ghostcube> except this huge icons for logout and lock o.O
[22:15] <ScottK> nixternal: If you're in a mood for a MIR, getting gpsd in Main would be nice so we can enable the GPS stuff in KDE.
[22:20]  * txwikinger wonders if RMS will endorse KDE over Gnome soon :D
[22:21] <Riddell> you'd think he'd realise there were options, maybe we should send him a Kubuntu CD
[22:21] <Riddell> but probably remixed without the restricted drivers or firefox icon
[22:21] <maco> kernel's not free enough
[22:21] <maco> knewsense?
[22:22] <Riddell> oh good point, fireware has to go too
[22:22] <Riddell> firmware
[22:22] <txwikinger> well.. RMS only uses a desktop for browsing the Internet
[22:22] <txwikinger> for everything else he uses emacs without X
[22:22] <Sput> well, he's free to use the GNU kernel, isn't he :>
[22:22] <maco> txwikinger: no he doesnt
[22:22] <maco> txwikinger: he reads webpages as email in emacs
[22:23] <txwikinger> maco: that's what he said here when he came and had an event
[22:23] <maco> oh really? ok
[22:23] <maco> he said something before about emailing things to himself....i thought it was webpages
[22:23] <Sput> he also probably uses some other editor, because the one that comes with emacs sucks :P
[22:24] <txwikinger> Sput: vi?
[22:24] <Sput> edlin!
[22:31]  * txwikinger finds it amusing that Gnome was started over the licensing of Qt/KDE was not GPL enough and now they are more in that direction than KDE is
[22:35] <daskReech> maco: Gnewsense needs KDE help. They have like one KDE guy
[22:35] <maco> daskReech: i didnt know they had any kde
[22:36] <daskReech> 1/2 KDE ?
[22:37] <ScottK> daskReech: How is Gnewsense any more free than our install free software only option?
[22:38] <daskReech> ScottK: They generate it I think
[22:38] <daskReech> I forget how the dynamic works
[22:38]  * ScottK doesn't think so.
[22:38]  * ScottK thinks the FOSS only option just disables restricted and multiverse.
[22:38] <daskReech> Well actually I know that gnewsense has gnewsense repos with only pure free as in thought packages
[22:38] <daskReech> Those need KDE love
[22:40] <daskReech> actually in the case of Gnome going PWL having Gwnewsense announce a KDE option would be a nice little PR win if nothing else
[22:40] <daskReech> I don't know anyone who actually uses gnewsense who isn't a dev
[22:44] <nixternal> is it already known about konq-plugins-l10n overwriting konq-plugins?
[22:44] <Riddell> no
[22:45] <nixternal> well now it is :p
[22:45] <nixternal> yeah, konq-plugins-l10n is trying to overwrite my /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/konq-plugins/* which seems to be a part of konq-plugins
[22:52] <Sput> speaking of freedom, Miguel just proudly announced that they have removed all GPL code from MonoDevelop, so they can allow proprietary plugins
[23:11] <ulysses__> I repeated the Kubuntu Karmic -> Lucid (i386) test case, how can I send a new report? Or just edit the existing report?
[23:18] <Riddell> ulysses__: isn't it a bit late for that?
[23:35] <yofel> just got an overwrite: http://paste.ubuntu.com/342215/
[23:37] <Riddell> yofel: nixternal had that too
[23:38] <Riddell> maybe I should fix it
[23:46] <JontheEchidna> I think I've found a way to remove the libxine1 dependency from kdebase-runtime. I'm testing in a ppa now
[23:46] <JontheEchidna> (split the kcm for the Phonon Xine backend into its own package, which phonon-backend-xine can Recommend)