[00:06] Though I am sure this has been asked a thousand times, are the 4.4 beta packages coming for Karmic or are they Lucid only? [00:09] Num83rGuy: They should eventually be in karmic backports [00:12] OK thanks, I will wait. [00:16] <[SilverFox]> What is the best way to uninstall my old fglrx (ati) so when i reset my new nvidia card will detect auto and install like was a fresh os install [00:27] Hi folks. Is there someone that has installed KDE 4 from trunk branch while using 4.3 without breaking the system? [00:28] SilverFox.. your nick is hard to TAB autocomplete even with the "[" present.. after install.. reboot to the rescue kernel and choose "fix video" or something to that effect.. that should take care of it. [00:29] probably because he's not logged in any more.. :( === fale_ is now known as fale [00:31] can anyone give me a tip on escaping characters? eg export CLASSPATH="/jexts/\*" leaves me with the string /jexts/\* and I'm trying to avoid the backslash === Authority_ is now known as Authority [00:32] if i leave out the backslash it expands to the contents of the directory. also not what I want. [00:32] why would you need an asterisk in your $CLASSPATH? [00:33] I have a directory that i drop jars into for testing on a REPL [00:34] setting and unsetting the classpath is inconvenient, and java 6 understands the asterisk [00:34] not the point, anyway [00:36] there should be some way to escape a star character, seriously [00:41] seems to work fine in the shell that I use (mksh) [00:41] crimsun@errno:~/tmp $ touch \* [00:41] crimsun@errno:~/tmp $ rm -- \* [00:43] I'm discovering that when echoing the variable I need to quote it. so i actually got it right for one of those, but when I echoed, the path was expanded, which was fine. I just thought it was expanded before. [00:43] echo "$CLASSPATH" [00:43] instead of [00:43] echo $CLASSPATH [00:43] use single quotes [00:44] tsimpson: i actually want to see the contents of the variable [00:44] http://stackoverflow.com/questions/102049/how-do-i-escape-the-wildcard-asterisk-character-in-bash [00:45] using single quotes disables shell expansion [00:45] echo '*' will print exactly * [00:46] right, so [00:46] export CLASSPATH='/jexts/*' [00:46] is correct [00:46] thanks :) [00:47] can I see the contents in buffer?? [00:48] what buffer? [00:48] hola [00:48] I did copy some text in konsole but i can't paste it [00:48] alguien habla español? [00:48] !es | ubuntu [00:48] ubuntu: En la mayoría de canales Ubuntu se comunica en inglés. Para ayuda en Español, por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es. [00:49] y como entro [00:49] funcrush: Ctrl-Shift-V or middle click should paste [00:49] disculpa mi ignorancia [00:49] tsimpson: yep i know, but it doesn't work [00:49] ubuntu: /j #kubuntu-es [00:50] funcrush: how did you copy? [00:50] thank you [00:50] tsimpson: 3 ways, selecting with drag, right click and hit copy, ctrl+shift+c [00:51] it should work then, do you have klipper running? [00:51] tsimpson: yup it running [00:51] click on the klipper icon in the system tray and you should be able to see what's copied === yofel_ is now known as yofel [00:52] tsimpson: the contents not exist... do u know anything? [00:53] it works here, all the ways you've said === david is now known as Guest57104 [00:54] tsimpson: well... it can be solved by restart the program, konsole. [00:54] but shortly, the doesn't work again [00:54] seems very odd [00:55] ok. anyway thank you for ur helping :) === Pici` is now known as Pici [01:01] does karmic koala support a kde desktop? [01:01] yes [01:01] where can i get it pls? [01:01] its not in my repo [01:01] you install the "kubuntu-desktop" package [01:02] from their main site i presume [01:02] hello, i have the following problem: after haveing sucessfully (re)boot my machine, i can hear sound on the speakers and, if i plug them in, on headphones. after bringing the machine to standby or hibernate, and reactivateing it, i can hear sound ONLY if i use headphones. the speakers do not seem to work, but using headphones, sound works as normal. this is a hp/compaq notebook with in integrated intel sound card. [01:02] it's in main, yes [01:02] phant0m_: just install the package like you would install any other package. [01:02] it doesnt appear in my repo [01:02] phant0m_: then you have none enabled [01:03] the package is in main, which should be enabled on all installs [01:03] no i have the opportunity to down other packages just not kubuntu [01:03] it's called "kubuntu-desktop" [01:03] it is there [01:03] ok brb [01:04] educational desktop for kubuntu that right ? [01:05] no [01:05] that's edubuntu-desktop-kde [01:06] you want kubuntu-desktop with the description "Kubuntu desktop system" [01:06] k ill ceck again [01:06] check* [01:07] no not there [01:07] it should be, update your package list [01:07] how? === javier is now known as Toru [01:08] I'm not sure how to in gnome, look for an update button or similar [01:08] k [01:09] tsimpson: in terminal sudo aptitude update [01:09] or apt-get update [01:09] t [01:09] ta [01:09] make sure you close the package manager first [01:09] otherwise it'll fail [01:09] k [01:10] hmmm no still not there [01:10] r u using synaptic? [01:10] err [01:11] software centre [01:11] use synaptic and then refresh list [01:11] that doesn't show all packages [01:11] ok [01:12] or you can just do "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop" in a terminal [01:12] right im gonna stick to using synaptic rather than software centre its misleading and that annoys me lol [01:13] USoftCenter is crap [01:13] yes i just came to that realisation myself [01:13] im also havin a minor issue with opera [01:13] that is being addressed for lucid [01:13] kde can be installed with gnome but it's preferred to just use kubuntu if you like kde [01:14] yes i do like kde [01:14] i prefer it [01:14] yay, netsplits [01:14] sigh thats so annoying [01:14] if u mix with gnome there would be a lot of clutter in the menu [01:15] if you prefer KDE, why not install Kubuntu rather than Ubuntu? [01:15] i didnt get an option between the two [01:15] you download the Kubuntu CD rather than the Ubuntu one... [01:15] lol stands to reason [01:16] didnt know that before otherwise i would have [01:16] http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu for next time [01:16] ty [01:16] i was going to ask if you could help with an issue regarding opera pls [01:17] well we don't make opera, so it'll be hard ;) [01:17] lol there a help channel here [01:18] Howdy so iw as randomly typing away at keys and spinning my mouswheel when my desktop got very small and went up tnot the top left hand corner and now theres just a grey/white checkerboard in place of where the desktop orignaly was. [01:19] r00t_: you zoomed out to the activity view, there should be a magnifying glass icon under the desktop to zoom back in [01:19] r00t_: try windows key + scroll down [01:20] phant0m_: well opera is proprietary so there is only unofficial support in ##opera [01:20] ok ty [01:21] thanks [01:26] whats a decent irc client? like one that would come with preprogramed irc servers? [01:27] xchat [01:27] konversation [01:27] I don't get why that's so important to people, but xchat comes with a build-in server list [01:27] mirc [01:27] and mirc is not "decent" by any stretch [01:27] Hello [01:28] lol worked for me [01:28] can anyone tell me how i would manage my harddrives in kubuntu? [01:29] do you have raid? [01:29] firewire [01:29] perhaps you should explain exactly what you mean by "manage" :) [01:31] what happen with the kubuntu 9.10 install: [01:31] well, i have a second harddrive which is ext3, however i do not have access to it on my system currently like i cant find where i can access it [01:31] i got read olny msg [01:32] ;j #ubuntu-br [01:32] krezlyn: see if it's listed in the "places" list in dolphin [01:33] haha it is thanks [01:34] hello [01:35] what chanel [01:35] is the hacking? [01:35] depends on your definition of hacking [01:35] or chatfriends [01:36] nivel web [01:36] if you want a chat channel, try #defocus [01:37] thank you [01:37] sorry for my english [01:37] is not perfect [01:38] what is a good music player (mp3's) [01:38] amarok [01:38] Hmmmm ok.. [01:38] no [01:38] not amarok [01:38] just make sure to install the kubuntu-restricted-extras package [01:38] what is kubuntu-restricted-extras? [01:39] codecs [01:39] it contains, amongst other things, mp3 codecs [01:39] ok [01:39] stupid us law [01:39] im doing the software update at the moment. [01:39] not just codecs, flash, lame, unrar, sun-java and microsoft fonts [01:39] phant0m_: what would you recommend for music player? [01:40] whats lame? [01:40] krezlyn: join #ubuntu-bots and ask "what is the best music player?" [01:40] rhythmbox [01:40] amarok is considered the best [01:40] but i disagree [01:40] lame is an mp4 encoder [01:40] because of the stupid law [01:41] erm, mp3, not 4 [01:41] lol [01:41] will amorak automaticlly rescan my media directory for new mp3's? [01:41] yes [01:41] if you want it to [01:41] yes may cause errors tho [01:41] another player thats very good is songbird [01:41] I've used amarok for years, never had an issues with it === magical is now known as Guest80108 [01:42] try several, see what you like [01:42] the problem i kept having with it was it didnt recognize alot of the music [01:43] how do i find out the mountpoint of my second hard drive? [01:43] same with songbird but you dont have to mess with restricted formats like with amarok [01:43] open konsole, type "mount" [01:44] phant0m_: that's not amarok's fault [01:44] no i know it isnt [01:45] if the problem didnt exist i would carryon using amarok [01:45] hi [01:45] hi [01:45] i want to remove an application from the kde menu, i used the editor but the app remains [01:47] phant0m_: [01:47] do you know [01:56] sd [01:56] sad [01:56] as [01:56] dsa [01:56] dasds [01:56] HEY [01:56] takis: [01:56] eeeeeeeeeeee mouni [01:56] ? [01:56] Goliath: do not flood [01:57] tsimpson: how can i remove an entry from kde menu [01:57] if someone knows, they'll answer [01:57] as far as I know, the way you did it should have worked [01:57] sorry goliath i use gnome [01:57] and i was doin something else [01:57] tsimpson: it appeears.... [01:58] tsimpson: its still there [02:01] how can i run kde menu editor from command line? [02:01] or from cli [02:02] run kmenuedit === jtechidna is now known as JontheEchidna [02:02] and "cli" is "command line" [02:02] i kno [02:02] w [02:04] tsimpson: when i type this i get a gui again [02:04] tsimpson: cant i just edit a conf file [02:04] or something [02:05] that is the kde menu editor, yes [02:05] it's made of lots of .desktop files, user specific entries are in ~/.local/share/applications [02:06] its still in there [02:07] a desktop file === yofel_ is now known as yofel [02:13] Hey all, New to Linux and I have a few Questions. Anyone free? === TuxPurple_ is now known as Guest40273 === yofel is now known as Guest7105 === Pici is now known as Guest66795 === Heliwr is now known as Guest18197 [02:18] Anyone around to take a question? === Dragnslcr is now known as Dragnslicer === Dragnslicer is now known as Dragnslcr [02:46] [04:46] i removed using menu editor an application from kde4 and now even if i reinstall the program the application isnt shown [02:46] [04:46] how do i fix it === ervin is now known as Guest78463 [02:50] i removed using menu editor an application from kde4 and now even if i reinstall the program the application isnt shown. How do i fix it? [02:51] Goliath: stop repeating that so much [02:51] tsimpson: it drives me crazy [02:51] fine, but don't repeat it so much [02:52] already tried to set the menu to defaults? [02:55] nbnds: dude this was ingenius! it worked [02:56] glad i could help [02:58] Hi [02:58] How can i format (reformat?) mi pendrive easily in Kubuntu? [02:59] nbnds: btw a guy told me this [02:59] Goliath: when u delete something it will show up in ~/.config/menus/ === Mitch_ is now known as Mitch [03:02] in "system" category there is an app "startup disk creator, just press on "format" button there === bbigras is now known as Guest55428 [03:25] hello. i was just wondering: what happened with networkmanager plasma widget? [03:26] Networkmanager is not being used anymore (i think) [03:26] is that a kde thing, or is it just us? [03:27] wait. you mean the backend? it sure is. it is used through Knetworkmanager.. but we used to have a plasmoid [03:27] i have been trying to find out what happened with it for months... === imperindo is now known as dUnKiN`dOnUtZZ [03:28] may be it is possible to download this plasmid from kde-looks.org? [03:28] Wait [03:28] frome repositorys [03:29] there is it. [03:29] plasma-widget-network-manager [03:29] is that what you're looking for? === nixternal_ is now known as nixternal [03:33] hi, any word on the kde 4.4 packages for karmic? [03:33] not yet, keep an eye on kubuntu.org [03:33] >< [03:33] i compiled it from source, but it just wasnt the same [03:35] does kde work well with alternative window managers? [03:36] it should, as long as those window managers are standards compliant [03:49] seriously, what's making the packages take so long? is it the upgrade to qt 4.6 that's holding things up or something? [03:52] why is koffice-kde4 for lucid still at version 2.0.2 when there has been a new post for 2.1? [03:52] *news* [03:53] http://www.kubuntu.org/news/koffice-2.1.0 [03:54] kishore: because 2.1 is only in the PPA [03:54] tsimpson: that is true for karmic but for lucid it should be in the main repos [03:54] or so says the aticle [03:54] no, because it was never put into the repos [03:55] you should file a bug to remind devs about it [03:55] sure. against koffice? [03:55] yes please [03:55] does anyone here play muds? [03:57] <[SilverFox]> is this okay? 118604 frames in 5.0 seconds? [03:57] <[SilverFox]> I really not sure how to increase my frames [03:58] tsimpson: Interesting... the page https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/koffice says lucid contains 2.1 [03:59] I think I remember it being called "koffice-kde4" by mistake [04:00] tsimpson: Yes. I am referring to koffice-kde4. koffice still refers to 1.6 [04:00] !info koffice-kde4 lucid [04:00] koffice-kde4 (source: koffice2): KDE Office Suite. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:2.0.2-2ubuntu3 (lucid), package size 9 kB, installed size 52 kB [04:02] whats up everyone [04:02] kishore: it's still waiting to build [04:02] !info koffice build [04:02] 'build' is not a valid distribution: hardy, hardy-backports, intrepid, intrepid-backports, jaunty, jaunty-backports, karmic, karmic-backports, karmic-proposed, kubuntu-backports, kubuntu-experimental, kubuntu-updates, lucid, lucid-backports, lucid-proposed, medibuntu, partner [04:02] kishore: build is compiling [04:02] !info koffice lucid [04:02] koffice (source: koffice): KDE Office Suite. In component main, is optional. Version 1:1.6.3-7ubuntu10 (lucid), package size 20 kB, installed size 60 kB [04:03] stupid splits [04:03] Does Kubuntu and Ubuntu do anything differently in terms of the way they handle/disperse network load? I have 2 setups at work, both identical laptops - 1 ubuntu, 1 kubuntu, imaging 15 laptops at a time. The Kubuntu LAN is always slower than the Ubuntu LAN - I can't figure out why. [04:03] tsimpson: still building? It's been a while since the realease and the announcement. PPA's have been available for a while... [04:04] kishore: build in lucid, not PPAs. building a package in the repos is somewhat more complex than a PPA [04:04] Roasted: no, the only difference between Ubuntu and Kubuntu is the GUI, all the base/kernel/networking stuff is identical [04:05] tsimpson - that's what I thought too. But I cannot trace back ANY differences in the setups whatsoever. [04:05] tsimpson: ah ok. will have to wait then [04:06] two gigabit switches, same make/model. two laptops, same make/model. All Cat5e network cable. 15 laptops per LAN to image - same image on each LAN. I just can't trace what might be different. And the thing is, I USED to have Ubuntu on my laptop and it was fine, once I put Kubuntu on it I noticed the slight lag in getting images cranked out. [04:06] It'll cater to 2 laptops and they'll be pushing out full bore speeds, while the rest linger around the 3-4 hour mark (obscenely high). Once the 2 speed demons are done, the remainder take off fu ll bore. It's very strange. [04:07] Meanwhile the Ubuntu lan is pretty much handling all clients at the same range/speed. [04:07] Any mudders on? [04:08] krezlyn: try asking in the freenode social channel (#defocus) [04:09] i need help with installing a mud client on kde [04:09] kubuntu [04:09] !find mud [04:09] Found: gnome-mud, lib64mudflap0, lib64mudflap0-dbg, libmudflap0, libmudflap0-4.2-dev (and 6 others) [04:09] tsimpson - do you just moderate kubuntu, or you an actual kubuntu fan? [04:10] Roasted: I've used Kubuntu since early 2005 :) [04:10] im trying to find a package for kmuddy.. i know the names i just to find one with a kubuntu package [04:10] !find kmuddy [04:10] tsimpson - nice. I've used it for about, ohh, a month. :P [04:10] Package/file kmuddy does not exist in karmic [04:10] krezlyn: I see kildclient in the repos [04:10] !info kildclient [04:10] kildclient (source: kildclient): Powerful MUD client with a built-in Perl interpreter. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.9.0-1 (karmic), package size 314 kB, installed size 1428 kB [04:11] im also hoping to find one that had a automapper [04:11] kmuddy was probably discontinued [04:12] On Karmic how do I make the whole system go to sleep, automaticaly? [04:12] can i install a rpm or make a rpm a .deb ? [04:12] !alien [04:12] RPM is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu uses !APT, not RPM. RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous and unsupported) [04:13] yeah i think it is possible to convert them, but i wouldn't recommend it [04:13] novice: look in system settings -> advanced -> power management [04:13] 99.9% of the time you can get a .deb anyway :) [04:13] or get a .tar.gz and install the fun way ;) [04:14] lol nooooo! not fun! [04:14] hehe [04:14] tsimpson: yeah im there just not sure how to set it [04:14] novice: look under the Edit Profiles section [04:14] and the "When the system is idle for more than ..." part [04:16] tsimpson: suspend to ram? [04:17] that's probably what you want [04:17] tsimpson: is that like sleep? [04:17] what does sleep do exactly? [04:17] anyone use Quassel? [04:17] suspend to disk mean to save the RAM to the disk and power off [04:17] Quassel is cool! [04:17] tsimpson: just want to were i press the space bar it wakes back up [04:17] i'm using it right now :) [04:17] suspend to ram means to turn most stuff off, but keep the power on [04:17] hoppi - you from forums? [04:18] Roasted: you know it :) [04:18] novice: then suspend to ram is it [04:18] Roasted: hehe [04:18] [20:17:28] anyone use Quassel? < -- that is how it should show on my chat screen, but for some reason there likes 3 inchs of space between the time stamp and ppl's, name. how can i fix this? [04:18] haaaaaa I thought so! [04:18] ^_^ [04:18] Roasted: I was very pleased when I discovered this IRC! [04:18] hoppi - gotta love it man. [04:18] tsimpson: Thank you very much and windows 7 is a lie! [04:18] these channels may not be overly populated but they can sometimes yield quick answers [04:19] Roasted: you can create debs from .tar.gz installs with http://giftwrap.tuxfamily.org/index.php?post/2009/05/29/GIftWrap-0.11 if you're interested [04:19] tsimpson - was that supposed to be directed towards me? [04:19] Roasted: yeah man this channel feels like home! Even viewing it through a rather awesome Qt4 IRC client =D [04:19] lol [04:19] nope :p [04:20] Qt4 > all other toolkits [04:20] krezlyn [04:20] hehehehe :) [04:20] Hoppi: agreed, but keep things on topic please [04:20] hoppi - I convinced my long time gnome using linux fan cousin to try kde [04:20] tsimpson: isn't the topic KDE? ._. [04:20] yes tsimpson? [04:20] krezlyn: about the .rpm, if you can get a .tar.gz, you can create a .deb from ir installs with http://giftwrap.tuxfamily.org/index.php?post/2009/05/29/GIftWrap-0.11 if you're interested [04:20] Roasted: nice one! KDE is just wicked, it's so well made and designed :) [04:21] Hoppi: read the topic and see [04:21] tsimpson: ok ._. [04:21] but the short answer is "nope" :) [04:21] how can i use the aptlinex plugin with firefox ? [04:21] hoppi - yeah man. I dig it. I <3 gnome too, and xfce. Decisions decisions. :P [04:21] tsimpson: can you help me with my Quassel irc question? [04:21] tsimpson: owh! just support? but... where can I go for random loosely Kubuntu related banter? =D [04:21] Hoppi: #kubuntu-offtopic [04:21] probably kubuntu-offtopic [04:22] oo yay! [04:22] sorry, i do like helping users of course, but I also like just hanging out with other kubuntu enthusiasts :) [04:22] krezlyn: if you mouse over near the space between nicks and the messages, a bar will magically appear [04:23] click and drag that [04:23] (maybe poor GUI design though) [04:23] no none [04:23] it's there, but difficult to find [04:23] nevermind [04:23] found it [04:24] yes a very blurry bar! [04:24] but it works well :) [04:24] if i move it to much tho [04:24] it makes ppl's names disappear [04:24] anyone recommend a diffrent or better irc client? [04:25] it may bounce bacn when some speaks [04:25] try konversation [04:25] krezlyn: well I'm afriad that's the price of moving it too far! lol [04:25] it's what we used before quassel, because there was no KDE4 client then [04:25] tsimpson: oh so is konversation qt3 based? [04:25] not any more [04:26] oh [04:26] 1.1.x was KDE3, 1.2.x is KDE4 [04:26] i should try that too then :) [04:26] what was the name of that restricted package? [04:26] it's in the karmic repos [04:26] Quassel is gorgeous but, can't hurt to try another! :) [04:26] kubuntu-restricted-extras [04:26] ok tsimpson you use Quassel or another? [04:26] kubuntu is more featureful than quassel, because it's older :) [04:26] how can i get apt:// links to work with firefox in kubuntu? [04:27] krezlyn: until konversation gets proper scripting support, I'm kind of locked into xchat [04:27] uis there a difference from ubuntu-restricted-extras to kubuntu-restricted-extras? [04:27] brb [04:27]