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WeatherGodwhat's the deal again for translation-related bugs?04:59
WeatherGodthere is a bug report of a program being in English when the locale is German04:59
micahgWeatherGod: at a minimum open a task with ubuntu translations05:00
WeatherGodmicahg: I should use "Also affects distribution", right?05:02
micahgWeatherGod: no, also affects project05:02
WeatherGodah, that explains that05:02
micahghggdh: ping05:30
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sajiHi everybody...08:12
sajihello how'll i produce a backtrace?08:20
persiasaji: Well, there's a couple ways.08:20
* persia digs at the wiki08:20
persiaThe easiest is to enable apport (description in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/EnableProposed)08:21
sajihmmm... i went through- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Backtrace08:21
sajiIt confused me... :)08:21
persiaYep, that's the other way :)08:21
sajican you tell me specifically.. Wht i should be doing?08:23
sajiI have reported a bug in NAutilus, and they have asked me to upload a backtrace if possible....08:24
ubot4To get a backtrace of a failing application please read: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Backtrace08:25
sajihello... anybody please help me...08:26
persiasaji: Where is your bug report?08:28
ubot4Launchpad bug 489300 in nautilus "Nautilus closes when trying to open mounted NTFS volume" [Medium,Incomplete]08:28
sajithis is my bug report..08:28
wcgary83Hi guys, I was wondering is anyone familiar with a workaround for a bug that I have? Bug #46339608:30
ubot4Launchpad bug 463396 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "[GM45] No monitor output on laptop" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/46339608:30
wcgary83It hasn't gotten any attention, maybe its solved somewhere else?08:31
wcgary83new update, still no video on my onitor!!!08:31
sajiping persia08:33
sajipersia, What should i do now?08:34
persiasaji: I'l admit I'M a bit confused.  That looks lik it was already submitted with apport.08:35
persiaHrm.  autocomplete not working: perhaps he left :(08:36
echotoneI just got my 9.10 installed again after a week of x server problems (when all i had to do was unplug 1 monitor for the live cd to work.) Now i have it all set up fine and it runs fine but after maybe 5 minutes of being logged in, it starts to freeze and jump and leave trails. Know what it is??09:27
echotoneanybody active?09:31
echotoneI am having a real problem with that. idk how this window is still working. i cant do anything else without killing my computer and rebooting.09:32
echotonedoes anybody know why my screen would be freezing and stalling? I installed ubuntu today and i have the nvidia driver installed and active...09:38
persiaechotone: This is a fresh install?  Were there any errors during install?09:42
echotonepersia: no errors.09:45
persiaVery odd indeed.  And you didn't have this sort of issue with the live session?09:46
echotoneno. i used the alt cd. the live cd doesnt work when i have 2 monitors plugged in.09:46
echotoneIt was my mac4lin theme. i switched back to an ubuntu theme and it works fine again.10:03
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pedro_morning kamusin12:40
kamusinhey pedro_12:40
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MrKanisterhi there. I am curious about a thing that might have been discussed multiple times, but hasn't been documented well or there has been no "real" solution (I don't know)14:07
MrKanisterIs it ok to use the status "fix committed" for Ubuntu tasks where there is an upstream task that has been fixed?14:08
MrKanister(The current situation of unsynchronized watches for the gnome bug tracker kind of justify it)14:09
MrKanisterI found https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-bugsquad/2008-September/001157.html on a mailing list, but there was been no final result14:09
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hggdhMrKanister: the usual is for "Fix Committed" to be set only when the fix is in a local SCS (e.g., bazzar), or published in development (Lucid, now), or in a -proposed14:16
hggdhusually, in fact, if it is published in Lucid it should go to fix released, sorry14:17
hggdhsome teams have (or had) a different interpretation. Although I did not agree, of old, with our position, it makes a bit of sense14:18
MrKanisterhggdh: Thanks. I know that it is wrong (the wiki says that, too), but as I said, the current situation is that there are too many unsynchronized watches for the gnoem bug tracker that it causes additional14:19
hggdh... work... yes, I understand. This can be put in the agenda for next meeting, if you want. But, right now, I would rather keep it the way it is14:21
MrKanisterhggdh: sorry, I forgot the "work" (wasn't by purpose)14:21
hggdhMrKanister: I have to haul ass to my customer. I will be back in 30m14:22
MrKanisterhggdh: Ok, thanks though14:22
jblountHello bug triaging friends! I have a bug that needs to be re-directed (maybe to the kernel, but I'm not sure). Can someone please take a look? https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntuone-client/+bug/47178415:05
ubot4Launchpad bug 471784 in ubuntuone-client "My system doesn't resume after stand-by" [Undecided,Incomplete]15:05
statikjblount, so that bug is definitely not part of the ubuntuone-client package, but you are trying to find what package it should be moved to?15:07
jblountstatik: Correct. I'm just not sure what package it should be pointed to.15:08
lfaraonebdmurray: Hey, can you renew my membership in bugcontrol?16:07
malevHi, I've contact th guy from this bug, https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/496039 What other infoshould I ask him to triage the bug? I can't reproduce it on my pc :D16:18
ubot4Launchpad bug 496039 in rhythmbox "Sound output on Rhythmbox stopped working" [Undecided,Incomplete]16:18
bdmurraylfaraone: done16:23
nigelbabuhggdh: are you around?16:38
lfaraonebdmurray: thanks.16:38
hggdhnigelbabu: yes, I am16:42
nigelbabuhggdh: I'm going to teach a course during Ubuntu User Days about reporting bugs.  I'll get my course ready soon and would like a review of it once I'm done :)16:45
hggdhnigelbabu: It will be my pleasure. And thank you for that :-)16:46
nigelbabuhggdh: thank you :)16:46
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qensehggdh: you're active in the GNOME Bugsquad, aren't you? Maybe it would be clarifying for upstream if upstream forwarders from downstream would be marked as such, don't you think? It would make it more clear they're just passing the bug on and provide them with slightly more authority than regular reporters. Maybe it could even be coupled with adding rights to add LP bug links to all/most bugs at Bugzilla.17:06
qenseIs gvfs responsible for the archive mounter? If so, what part of it?17:12
hggdhqense: yes, I am active upstream. We can request (some) forwarders to be assigned more rights on b.g.o, indeed. This is also a process a bit involved, but I think I can sponsor *some* -- not a lot. This is indeed worthy of discussing17:23
hggdhqense: Although anyone can add a LP link upstream, it is just a comment17:23
hggdhhum. The more I think about it, the more I like the idea. We should also consider extending it to other upstreams17:24
qensehggdh: yeah, it would make it more clear to upstream who they're dealing with.17:26
qenseHowever, we shouldn't give such recognition away too easily, maybe it could be a part of the Adopt-a-package program so only people who know what they're talking about/who they're talking to are associated with Ubuntu.17:28
hggdhqense: something along these lines, yes. Gnome b.g.o access is not lightly given, so we will have to discuss this there also (which I intend to do this evening, no access to GIMP from here)17:34
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hggdhpedro_: what do you think ^^^17:34
pedro_hggdh, can't see the discussion, too much netsplits17:35
qense<qense> hggdh: you're active in the GNOME Bugsquad, aren't you? Maybe it would be clarifying for upstream if upstream forwarders from downstream would be marked as such, don't you think? It would make it more clear they're just passing the bug on and provide them with slightly more authority than regular reporters. Maybe it could even be coupled with adding rights to add LP bug links to all/most bugs at Bugzilla.17:35
qense<hggdh> qense: yes, I am active upstream. We can request (some) forwarders to be assigned more rights on b.g.o, indeed. This is also a process a bit involved, but I think I can sponsor *some* -- not a lot. This is indeed worthy of discussing17:35
qense qense: Although anyone can add a LP link upstream, it is just a comment17:35
qense<hggdh> hum. The more I think about it, the more I like the idea. We should also consider extending it to other upstreams17:35
pedro_could be a good idea, yes , though as hggdh said anybody can add those comments, there's no special rights on bugzilla for it (nor in gnome or freedesktop for example)17:37
qenseThat is true, but not everyone can add LP links to all bugzilla bugs, at least I can't.17:38
pedro_i'm not sure about the more authority than other reporters part17:39
pedro_if you become active in the community they're going to look a bit more into your reports anyways17:39
pedro_I'd encourage the forwarders to become more active on those products rather than asking for more "authority"17:39
pedro_products/upstream community/etc17:40
qenseIt's not as much about authority, but more about clarifying for upstream who they're talking to.17:40
hggdhpedro_: what I am thinking is that this -- in a quite selective way -- could also help integration between us and upstreams17:41
hggdhperhaps as a part of "adopt-a-package"? There is something here...17:42
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malevHi, I'm with a bug about totem. And I don't know what information ask the reporter to triage the bug... can anyone help me?18:19
malevI've been asking this for a while, but apparently the problems with freenode aren't helping too much18:20
qensemalev: What is the bug about? Could you provide the bug number? (If you say bug 12345 ubot4 will post a link in this channel if its nice18:21
ubot4Launchpad bug 12345 in isdnutils "isdn does not work, fritz avm (pnp?)" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1234518:21
malevqense, oh, I'm sorry, here it si: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rhythmbox/+bug/49603918:22
ubot4Launchpad bug 496039 in rhythmbox "Sound output on Rhythmbox stopped working" [Undecided,Incomplete]18:22
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qensemalev: it could be something very simple like having pressed the mute button on the volume control in Rhythmbox itself. Please also note that there is no such thing as a separate Kubuntu kernel. You could also ask the reporter to run Rhythmbox in the console with the command 'rhythmbox --debug', try to play the file and attach the output in a separate file to the bug report.18:26
malevqense, oks! I'm gonna ask those things. one more thing. for playing mp3 there are some codecs or something like that. those are commons for vlc and rhytmbox? or they are independent?18:27
thekornhey qense,18:27
thekornthanks for working on the zeitgeist bugs ;)18:27
qensethekorn: you reported them, didn't you? ;)18:27
qensemalev: yes, they could use different codecs, so that could be an issue as well. Did he uninstall anything when messing with Audacity?18:28
malevI'm gonna ask that too18:28
thekornqense, yeah, the one you set to invalid today, but I don't take it personal ;)18:29
qensethekorn: well, I'm happy now there are no open bugs against that package anymore. I just had to sacrifice you for it, that's a bargain!18:31
malevqense, done! I've sent him the answer. thanks18:33
qenseyou're welcome18:33
thekornqense, I like this "zero open bugs"-initiative ;)18:33
qenseso do I18:35
thekornhmm, I always thought changing the affected package/project of a task is mentioned in the interleaved activity log18:36
thekornwhich seems to not be the case18:37
yofelthekorn: huh? it is mentioned in the full activity log18:37
qensebut not in the notices between the replies18:38
qenseit would be nice to have it there as well, would make the discussion a bit more understandable18:39
yofeloh yeah, that's true18:39
thekornof course, but having a semi complete lof of activities in the bugreport itself sometimes makes thinks hard to understand18:39
thekornthis one is a good example: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/zeitgeist/+bug/39718618:39
ubot4Launchpad bug 397186 in zeitgeist "python2.6 crashed with SIGSEGV in memmove()" [Medium,Invalid]18:39
thekornafter reading this bug (which was reported by me)18:39
thekornI thought "what the hell is going on here, how could this bug be reported against zeitgeist"18:40
qenseis there already a bug for this against malone?18:40
thekornwell, it was changed in the triaging process from python -> zeitgeist, without a comment18:40
thekorndon't know, let's try to find out18:41
qenseI am, but I don't know the terminology LP uses for this kind of log.18:41
qensecan't find anything so far though18:43
thekornqense, I just asked intellectronica in #launchpad, let's see if he has more luck finding a bugreport about it18:45
qensegood, we'll see what he'll come up with18:45
thekornqense, have you seen the discussion on #launchpad, as you are also in this channel?19:01
thekornif not, there seems to be no bugreport about it19:02
qenseI did19:02
thekornhaving a complete activtylog interleaved would be nice, but need some javasrcibt way to toggle it on/off19:02
qensewould be nice indeed19:03
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thekorntrying to follow conversations on irc today is no fun :(19:17
thekornupps wrong channel,19:17
thekornbut still true19:17
qensevery true19:17
qensegreat timing for that netsplit19:18
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yofelcan someone set bug 496879 to triaged? Thanks! (Not sure if Low or Medium)23:16
ubot4Launchpad bug 496879 in software-properties "add-apt-repository should return exit code and not adding wrong repositories" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/49687923:16
BUGabundoyofel: as if anyone was reading23:16
yofeltrue -.-23:17
malevyofel, what did you do to confirm the bug?23:20
yofelmalev: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:bxlsjs/sds23:20
malevyofel clever :D23:20
yofelthat ppa defenitely doesn't exist23:20
yofeland it gets added anyway23:20
yofelnot good if you run that and include a typo23:20
malevyofel, sure! thanks23:21
hggdhyofel: please add version of python-software-properties; I will then mark the bug as triaged/Medium23:22
dtchenheh, I just triaged/wishlist23:23
dtchenfeel free to bump the Importance23:23
yofelhggdh: mom23:23
mrandsplit the difference and call it low? :-)23:23
hggdhdtchen: I thought about wishlist also, but this is really a bug...23:24
dtchenhggdh: no argument from me23:24
micahghggdh: single use apport is back!23:24
hggdhmicahg: yes... finally :-)23:25
yofelhggdh: doen23:25
hggdhmicahg: about bug 233990 -- I am done with the OR, cannot stand the guy anymore23:26
ubot4Launchpad bug 233990 in thunderbird "Thunderbird's mdn (receipt) message may contain 822bis-violating bare lf which is rejected by Qmail" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/23399023:26
micahghggdh: I saw your comments, I couldn't find an upstream, if it's not a problem in TB3, I'd close it invalid23:26
micahgor won't fix in TB223:26
hggdhmicahg: it is in tb3 also, I tested23:27
hggdhand opened an upstream for it23:27
hggdhyofel: thank you23:29
hggdhbrb -- ride back to the hotel23:31
BUGabundohggdh: eheh how's the COLD?23:31
malevhi, where do you find new bugs? to work on them... because a went to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs and all bugs looks like being commentend by others who are all ready working with them. even when i set the tag: new...23:42
malevwhere to start looking for bugs ? :D23:42
micahgmalev: choose a package, or click on new bugs on that page?23:43
malevmicahg, that what I did? shoul a keep searching?23:44
malevmicahg, wait, what do you mean with package: karmic, lucid? that?23:44
persiamalev: IF you want fresh new bugs, you can also try #ubuntu-bugs-announce23:45
micahgmalev: no, like a program package23:45
micahgmalev: here's 44k new bugs: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?search=Search&field.status=New23:45
malevif a bug has more than one suscriber it means that the suscribers all ready checked de bug?23:46
micahgmalev: no, you should see comments if someone's done something23:47
malevoks, and if I found one with no comments I can start working on it?23:48
micahgmalev: even if you find comments you can start working on it unless it's requesting information from the OR23:49
micahgmalev: basically anything new or confirmed probably needs to be addressed in some way by us unless it's old23:49
malevexcelent!!!! I going for it :D23:49
micahgmalev: feel free to ask any questions you want here23:49
malevhey it's me again23:55
malevI've found this:23:55
ubot4Launchpad bug 41145 in netkit-telnet "Escape character does not work" [Medium,New]23:55
malevI've got a latin american keyboard and I cant' reproduce the bug. ctrl + ] works really fine!23:56
malevmaybe I can recomend the user to update the system and... I don't know, close the bug. what do you think?23:56

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