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doctormonigel_nb: pushing revision 21 with `./builder/create.sh [category] [class-name]` which creates a new directory for our new class.00:18
nigel_nbyaay!00:19
nigel_nbmerging00:19
nigel_nbdoctormo: you rock!00:24
doctormonigel_nb: Nah, quick and dirty is nothing to be proud of, it'll break if you run it twice, create a dir inside a dir.00:25
doctormoneeds some checks, but my bash is fairly bad, I know there is a way to do it in bash.00:25
nigel_nbbut now, it works :)00:26
nigel_nbessential stuff for a new person is ready00:26
nigel_nbanymore that we need to do?00:26
doctormonigel_nb: We got a gap in the rendering process, but nothing that prevents creation00:27
nigel_nbdoctormo: its probably time to finalize that this is how its going to be done00:28
nigel_nbI'll make sure my course gets ready soon and we can do the moodle conversion testing00:28
doctormogreat00:32
nigel_nbpleia2: doctormo has almost got everything ready00:33
nigel_nbpleia2: take a look at the new trunk, got a build and create script, i think we're ready with everything (at basic level)00:34
nigel_nbdoctormo: I think this means we can have new course writers00:37
nigel_nbhey FFEMTcJ|mobile00:42
nigel_nbcellphone?00:42
FFEMTcJ|mobileYes00:42
FFEMTcJ|mobileAt our Ubuntu Hour00:43
_marx_yah FFEMTcJ|mobile00:43
_marx_we had a blast in NC00:44
FFEMTcJ|mobileCool00:44
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nigel_nb_marx_: the current screencast is good, only thing is you need to correct the first part of "when empathy starts for the first time :)01:40
_marx_why is that?01:40
_marx_that's what it does the first time one starts it01:41
nigel_nb_marx_: you asked the user to click next, actually, he's supposed to be clicking cancel, since IRC isn't there on that list01:42
_marx_right a first time user would click forward, no?01:42
nigel_nbsince you have to cancel anyway, whats the point?01:43
nigel_nbIRC is not on the account list there01:43
_marx_to show what happens the first time one starts empathy to use IRC01:43
_marx_well including the first usage01:44
_marx_nigel_nb: i understand your point01:44
_marx_skip that first dialog box/window01:44
nigel_nb_marx_: what I was trying to say was, you need to tell user to cancel it off01:45
_marx_straight way, not look at that first drop down menu01:45
nigel_nbexactly01:46
nigel_nbnow, we're on the same page01:46
nigel_nbI'm just trying out editing01:46
_marx_that assumes the user has used empathy previously01:46
nigel_nbno no01:48
nigel_nbwhat I mean is01:48
nigel_nbwhen that pops out,01:48
_marx_right tell the to click cance01:48
nigel_nbyou should tell something like "we'll not being using this, we'll be adding it manually, so click cancel"01:49
nigel_nbor something to that effect01:49
_marx_okay, I grok your thought process01:49
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_marx_flacky hardware02:01
nigel_nboh oh02:14
nigel_nbwelcome back everyone :)02:15
nigel_nbpleia2: did u see my earlier ping when u were away?02:15
pleia2nigel_nb: yes, but I'm about to run out again :)02:16
nigel_nbpleia2: cool, will catch when you run back in ;)02:17
pleia2:)02:17
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doctormoHmm, who is Saj0577, what's their real name?04:18
doctormoAh found it Stephen Johnston04:20
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nigel_nb_pleia2: around?07:13
doctormomorning nigel_nb_07:17
doctormonigel_nb_: It'll be unlikely pleia2 will be around, it must be 2am there right now.07:18
paultagYeah07:18
paultagit's 2:18 :)07:18
* paultag hugs nigel_nb_ :)07:18
paultaghowdy doctormo07:18
doctormohey paultag, how is things?07:19
paultagdoctormo, Way too busy! :)07:19
doctormopaultag: we never got to meet up did we.07:19
paultagdoctormo, but not bad, and almost heading back to Boston ( FINALLY ) for an extended length of time07:19
paultagdoctormo, No, I was forced into some family events late in the game07:19
paultagdoctormo, Thanksgiving is a hectic time of year07:19
paultagdoctormo, I'll be back for a month from the 19th on, though07:20
paultagdoctormo, I'm going to make a point of meeting up with the MA LoCo / You :)07:20
doctormopaultag: Great, I'm in the UK until the 10th Jan.07:20
paultagOK07:20
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pleia2doctormo: seen princess and the frog yet?15:15
pleia2it's lovely!15:15
nigelbabupleia2: need your help today evening15:45
mhall119|workpleia2: is it age-appropriate for a 4 year old do you think?15:46
nigelbabutrying to configure my router to port forward so that I can ssh into it, but not happening (spend around 5 hours in the morning)15:46
FFEMTcJpleia2: still around16:05
pleia2FFEMTcJ: yeah, what's up?16:05
FFEMTcJit was mentioned that if we had instuctors willing to go later than the current scheduled time for UDS we should extend it16:06
FFEMTcJthoughts?16:06
pleia2UUD? :)16:06
pleia2and yeah, I agree16:06
pleia2and we should start solidifying the schedule, we have enough volunteers to fill the slots available16:06
FFEMTcJya, that one too16:06
FFEMTcJlol16:06
FFEMTcJYup.. That's what I was looking at16:07
pleia2if you have time, want to start dropping people in slots they are available for? with consideration for their topics16:07
pleia2(ie - if an "install ubuntu" can be put early in the schedule, great!)16:07
FFEMTcJYa.. Will do..16:07
FFEMTcJI was wanting to do cl basics early, but cp isnt avail till later...16:07
Pendulumpleia2: we were talking about this a couple nights ago and i think figured out that "install ubuntu" can in fact go first :)16:07
nigelbabudo we have a confirmed schedule?16:07
nigelbabutoday is the deadline you had set pleia2 :)16:08
pleia2Pendulum: great :)16:08
pleia2nigelbabu: we have confirmed times (we may decide to extend it) and are fleshing out the actual schedule now16:08
FFEMTcJI guess we need to talk to people without courses to find out what they want to teach16:09
pleia2yeah16:10
pleia2add them anyway, we'll contact them :)16:10
FFEMTcJI'm gonna start working on the schedule now.. my connection is really slow today, so I'll post the tenative when I get it sorted out16:11
mhall119|workpleia2: talking with FFEMTcJ the other day, I think I'll do more of an intro to Seahorse and GnuPG16:12
mhall119|workrather than specifically about Evolution integration with GnuPG16:12
pleia2mhall119|work: yeah I saw your update, that's a great idea :)16:12
mhall119|workit will have a slight tie-in to the ubuntero part of the Launchpad session16:13
mhall119|worknot sure which should come first16:13
FFEMTcJI really wish that the equiv programs could go earlier16:18
nigelbabuall slots full?16:18
FFEMTcJnigelbabu: we are talking about extending the day16:18
FFEMTcJif you wanna do something16:19
nigelbabuFFEMTcJ: if u need more people I'm ready16:19
FFEMTcJwhat do you wanna teach16:19
nigelbabuFFEMTcJ: that's what I'm looking16:19
FFEMTcJdo yall think restricted drivers ould last an hour?16:19
FFEMTcJcould16:19
nigelbabuany suggestions?16:19
nigelbabuI doubt, 1 hour is really a stretch16:20
FFEMTcJthats what i thought16:20
pleia2these aren't meant to be in depth classes to explore an entire segment of ubuntu ;)16:21
FFEMTcJright..16:21
nigelbabuFFEMTcJ: someone volunteered for reporting bugs?16:22
FFEMTcJnope..16:23
FFEMTcJyou wanna take launchpad?16:23
nigelbabuor Launchpad16:23
nigelbabuI would love to take reporting bugs, but if too small, I'll take entire launchpad16:24
FFEMTcJI think we need launchpad to report bugs..16:24
FFEMTcJso it could be done together..16:24
FFEMTcJjust doing brief info on lp?16:24
nigelbabubut I fear it would get too big16:24
FFEMTcJ2 hours :-P16:24
FFEMTcJpleia2: i think if done correct, the getting involved could be really good for uusd16:26
nigelbabugetting involved would make is open week-ish16:27
FFEMTcJfocus on beomcing a part of the community, not so much "helping"16:27
FFEMTcJwell, like introducing the concept of lo teams16:27
FFEMTcJloco16:27
FFEMTcJmeeting people with ubuntu interists16:28
FFEMTcJuggh16:28
FFEMTcJmy typing is so delayed that I'm hitting enter before spellchecking16:29
nigelbabuif we're doing that, then just put the LoCo's16:29
nigelbabuand put it as meeting others with Ubuntu16:30
nigelbabuhow to meet up and all16:30
FFEMTcJThat would work.. cover loco teams, cover ubuntu hours, cover different types of meetups? pleia2 ?16:31
nigelbabuFFEMTcJ: and we'll approach launchpad from the point of view of a user, not contributer16:33
pleia2nigelbabu: +116:33
FFEMTcJagreed16:33
FFEMTcJnigelbabu: is 1 hour long enough for lp and bug reporting?16:34
mhall119|workintroducing LoCo teams is important16:34
pleia2since we *really* don't want to get into contributing, that's why it's a *user day*16:34
pleia2UOW is about contributing :)16:34
mhall119|workI was surprised when we had someone come to Ubuntu Hour because he follows planet.ubuntu.com16:34
FFEMTcJright16:34
mhall119|workbut he'd never even contacted out LoCo16:34
FFEMTcJlike i said.. as long as its done right.. it could be really good16:34
nigelbabuFFEMTcJ: from a user's point of view LP is for answers, reporting bugs, and shipit... anything else?16:34
mhall119|workLP has shipit now?16:35
nigelbabumhall119|work: shipit is tied to LP16:35
FFEMTcJnigelbabu: also account creation?16:35
mhall119|workmust be something new16:35
FFEMTcJi mean, its kinda easy.. but woudlnt take too long to mention16:35
pleia2shipit should not be included16:36
pleia2they are limiting the number of CDs sent out, people should be encouraged to burn their own16:36
mhall119|workor get some from their LoCo16:36
pleia2yeah16:36
nigelbabuokay, so just joining LP, answers, and reporting bugs16:36
FFEMTcJnigelbabu: time?16:36
nigelbabuwhen do u want me?16:37
pleia2might want to check with the bugsquad too, I don't know that using the LP interface is the preferred method of submitting bugs16:37
pleia2(they have tools and stuff)16:37
nigelbabupleia2: I'm frm bug squad :)16:37
FFEMTcJdepends on the bug16:37
pleia2ok16:37
FFEMTcJlol16:37
nigelbabubut will check with my mentor too16:37
pleia2just want to be sure we're teaching people properly and BS doesn't come beat us up :)16:37
mhall119|workwhat tools are we going to use for UUD?16:37
nigelbabupleia2: haha, sure will get a review from them :)16:38
pleia2mhall119|work: tools?16:38
mhall119|workI assume IRC16:38
mhall119|workhow about gwibber?16:38
mhall119|workor lernid?16:38
nigelbabumhall119|work: lernid ruled out16:38
pleia2I don't know that lernid will be ready in time, but we can check16:38
pleia2there is a screencast being made for IRC16:38
pleia2gwibber?16:39
mhall119|workI should probably upgrade to 9.10 before I do my session16:39
mhall119|worksorry, not gwibber, gobby16:39
nigelbabuspoke with jono, better not try for this UUD16:39
pleia2I'd say gobby usage is up to the instructor16:39
FFEMTcJgobby is prolly too advanced, since people are saying irc is16:39
mhall119|workokay, I didn't know how far along it was, since I'm still on 9.0416:39
pleia2some instructors for UOW and UDW even had shell accounts people could ssh into :)16:39
mhall119|workstick to apps in the default install then?16:39
FFEMTcJpleia2: that was cool16:39
nigelbabuI think we'll keep it simple, anything extra can be made a wiki page :)16:40
nigelbabuscreencasts are getting ready16:40
mhall119|workSyllabus in the Wiki?16:40
pleia2it's up to the instructor16:40
pleia2we'll ask for summaries of their class16:40
nigelbabuultimately, yes, the instructor decides16:40
mhall119|workI may do that, if for no other reason than to have links to where they can learn more technical details about GnuPG16:41
FFEMTcJI spoke to the guy who wants to teach restricted drivers and he said he can do an hour without getting to advanced since its installing from repos and from vendors16:42
FFEMTcJnigelbabu: time?16:44
nigelbabuFFEMTcJ: when do u want me16:44
FFEMTcJall the time.. ;-) jk... are you avail the whole day?16:45
nigelbabuearlier the better for me, coz the current schedule ends at 3:30 am my time16:46
FFEMTcJokie16:47
FFEMTcJis 1800 too late?16:47
nigelbabu1800 UTC?16:47
FFEMTcJI could do 16 if you prefer16:47
nigelbabu1800 UTC is great :)16:48
nigelbabuFFEMTcJ: what do you mean by "How to become an Ubuntero"?16:48
FFEMTcJdunoo.. didnt put that on htere16:49
FFEMTcJuggh16:49
FFEMTcJLLLLAAAAAGGGGGGGG16:49
nigelbabuupdated wiki, I removed joining teams (its more contributor point of view)16:50
FFEMTcJdoes ubuntero still exist?16:50
mhall119|workFFEMTcJ: that's the label for people who have signed the CoC I believe16:50
FFEMTcJhmm16:51
nigelbabudo we need that for a user day?16:51
nigelbabuI mean its a bit.... unuseful for a user point of view, signing CoC is more helpful for contributors16:51
mhall119|workIt would probably be good to at least talk about the CoC and what it means for the community16:52
FFEMTcJaggreed16:52
FFEMTcJnigelbabu: would you prefer 1600?16:52
mhall119|workI can cover what it means to "sign" it in my session on GnuPG16:52
nigelbabumhall119|work: but it becomes a bit towards "contributing"16:53
mhall119|worknigelbabu: it's a pre-requisite for some contributing, yes16:54
nigelbabufor a user, lp is only for bugs and answers, and you dont need CoC for thta16:54
mhall119|worksigning it that is16:54
mhall119|workfollowing the CoC is just good community behavior16:54
nigelbabuI'll try to fit it in16:54
nigelbabucan you take the signing part?16:55
nigelbabubecause bugs and answers take up a bit of time16:55
nigelbabuFFEMTcJ: 1600 or 1800, I'm okay16:55
mhall119|workyeah, I'll cover what it means to sign it16:55
nigelbabumhall119|work: you go before or after me?16:56
nigelbabuif after, I'll say it will be covered later on16:56
mhall119|worknigelbabu: I don't know16:56
mhall119|workI don't think it matters if you're not going to talk about signing16:56
mhall119|workI would think after would be best16:57
mhall119|workgiven that my session is more technical16:57
nigelbabuthen I'll just skip the whole part16:57
nigelbabuI'll just do joining LP, why join LP, reporting bugs, and launchpad answers16:57
mhall119|workis there an intro to the community session?16:57
mhall119|workthe CoC should be talked about when discussin teh community16:58
FFEMTcJnot yet mike16:58
FFEMTcJI'm trying to get itnet to do that16:58
mhall119|work+116:58
FFEMTcJwell.. mentioned it to him16:58
FFEMTcJand asked16:58
mhall119|workany chance of getting jono to do it?16:58
FFEMTcJCould ask16:59
FFEMTcJpleia2: do you have a problem with that?16:59
mhall119|workif not jono, maybe jcastro or someone else in his team16:59
PendulumI think jono or any of his horsemen would be good :)17:01
pleia2FFEMTcJ: no problem with that17:01
FFEMTcJcool17:01
pleia2I'd only ask that we see if jono or whoever does it with awareness about the purpose of the day17:02
pleia2how the community can help users17:02
Pendulummakes sense to me17:03
FFEMTcJRight..17:03
mhall119|workto me, the community is one of the most important aspects of Ubuntu to a user17:03
FFEMTcJmhall119|work: agreed17:03
FFEMTcJ2517:03
mhall119|workyou really get more than just an OS17:03
FFEMTcJpleia2: fwiw, it looks like you have 2009 in the link to worldclock that you did on the classroom page for python packaging17:10
pleia2can you fix it?17:11
* pleia2 busy at work at the moment17:11
FFEMTcJYa..17:14
FFEMTcJpleia2: you said you had some info about the intro?17:19
FFEMTcJI dont remember exactally what you said17:19
pleia2that's something I think we should put together as a team17:19
FFEMTcJokie17:20
pleia2maybe get some administrative stuff out of the way, say this is our first user day, feedback appreciated, let people know about other learning resources in the project (ubuntu open week, dev week, classroom, leanring project)17:20
FFEMTcJ_marx_ Pendulum are you both avail at 1200 on UUD day?17:20
FFEMTcJlunch.. bbiab17:25
mhall119|workmmm, lunch, sounds like a terrific idea17:25
PendulumFFEMTcJ: I am17:26
FFEMTcJWhen does UDS and UOW get scheduled?18:01
doctormopleia2: The princess and the frog doesn't come out in the uk until April.18:05
pleia2doctormo: sad :(18:05
pleia2guess you'll have to see it when you get home18:05
doctormomhall119|work: http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/thedudette/nostalgia-chick/14707-ep02118:06
doctormopleia2: Indeed I will, but it's yet another damning condemnation of the improper use of international copyright law to effect the controlled rollout of material and culture by Disney.18:08
mhall119|workdoctormo: what is that?18:08
doctormoFor this, if I were tyrant, I'd reduce copyright terms to 20 years and watch them squirm! Mwhahaha.18:08
doctormomhall119|work: Video about Disney pricesses.18:09
_marx_FFEMTcJ: what TZ18:09
FFEMTcJutc18:09
mhall119|workSFW?18:09
doctormoyes18:09
mhall119|work30 second ad for a chevy SUV18:10
mhall119|workfail18:10
_marx_FFEMTcJ: I can do that 0700 EST18:10
FFEMTcJokie18:11
FFEMTcJPendulum: did you make yourself a wiki page?18:11
mhall119|workdoctormo: oh God, don't let her see all that merchandise, I'll go bankrupt18:11
* _marx_ in meeting until 1400 EST18:11
FFEMTcJtoday? thats fine18:12
PendulumFFEMTcJ: friday or saturday, it was up :)18:12
FFEMTcJyay! link?18:13
PendulumFFEMTcJ: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Pendulum18:13
doctormomhall119|work: I love how everyone in the world sees those adverts, I imagine this poor african kid watching it and thinking about how daft an SUV is.18:13
pleia2doctormo: poor example, I think in poor africa they might actually have a *use* for an SUV, unlike american grocery getters :)18:14
* mhall119|work likes his SUV18:14
doctormopleia2: epends on the country I guess, most would just be happy with a mo-ped (sp)18:15
mhall119|workhow else was I going to pull a 17' camping trailer and 14 computers from Florida to Tennessee?18:15
doctormomhall119|work: rental truck?18:15
mhall119|workand where would the wife and kids sleep?18:16
doctormomhall119|work: hotel.18:17
mhall119|worktoo expensive18:17
doctormoSince the majority of deaths involving road vehcials in the US are not drivers or pasengers, but cyclists and pedesrians, out of a concern for others a great deal of thought has to be placed on what kind of vehcial someone operates day to day.18:19
doctormobbl, going to an entamolgy christmas bash.18:26
PendulumFFEMTcJ: did you get it? (my net connection here has been bouncing like crazy :( )18:42
FFEMTcJyes18:57
FFEMTcJcheck out the team page Pendulum _marx_18:57
Pendulumhappy now? :P18:57
FFEMTcJnever18:58
FFEMTcJbut you have a wiki page, so im happy about that18:58
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nigel_nbFFEMTcJ: around?22:19
FFEMTcJyessir22:26
nigel_nbFFEMTcJ: could you change my topic to Using Launchpad?22:27
nigel_nbI would have done it, but u've asked not to edit the page ;)22:28
FFEMTcJwhat about the bug reporting?22:29
nigel_nbit would be part of it22:33
nigel_nbbecause its bug reporting and answers too22:33
FFEMTcJok22:33
nigel_nbremember in the developer week somone had taken a class on what to do when things go wrong?22:34
FFEMTcJdone22:34
nigel_nbit would be nice if we got someone to do something like that22:34
nigel_nbthanks FFEMTcJ  :)22:34
nigel_nbbtw, you got in touch with Nagendra?22:35
nigel_nbFFEMTcJ: we now have enough topics?22:38
nigel_nbseems like everything out there is covered22:38
FFEMTcJaway22:40
FFEMTcJWe have enough instructors.. but dont have topics for each22:40
FFEMTcJdinner time...22:40
nigel_nbFFEMTcJ: got a brainwave22:41
nigel_nbcheck out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Learning/UbuntuDesktopTopics22:41
nigel_nbassign from there22:41
FFEMTcJk22:41
FFEMTcJbbiab22:41
nigel_nbwill talk to you in a few hours when I get home22:41
pleia2well we won't really "assign" topics, but we can email all the folks who are interested and don't have a topic yet and see what they'd like to do from that page, and show them the schedule thus far23:08

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