[00:18] <doctormo> nigel_nb: pushing revision 21 with `./builder/create.sh [category] [class-name]` which creates a new directory for our new class.
[00:19] <nigel_nb> yaay!
[00:19] <nigel_nb> merging
[00:24] <nigel_nb> doctormo: you rock!
[00:25] <doctormo> nigel_nb: Nah, quick and dirty is nothing to be proud of, it'll break if you run it twice, create a dir inside a dir.
[00:25] <doctormo> needs some checks, but my bash is fairly bad, I know there is a way to do it in bash.
[00:26] <nigel_nb> but now, it works :)
[00:26] <nigel_nb> essential stuff for a new person is ready
[00:26] <nigel_nb> anymore that we need to do?
[00:27] <doctormo> nigel_nb: We got a gap in the rendering process, but nothing that prevents creation
[00:28] <nigel_nb> doctormo: its probably time to finalize that this is how its going to be done
[00:28] <nigel_nb> I'll make sure my course gets ready soon and we can do the moodle conversion testing
[00:32] <doctormo> great
[00:33] <nigel_nb> pleia2: doctormo has almost got everything ready
[00:34] <nigel_nb> pleia2: take a look at the new trunk, got a build and create script, i think we're ready with everything (at basic level)
[00:37] <nigel_nb> doctormo: I think this means we can have new course writers
[00:42] <nigel_nb> hey FFEMTcJ|mobile
[00:42] <nigel_nb> cellphone?
[00:42] <FFEMTcJ|mobile> Yes
[00:43] <FFEMTcJ|mobile> At our Ubuntu Hour
[00:43] <_marx_> yah FFEMTcJ|mobile
[00:44] <_marx_> we had a blast in NC
[00:44] <FFEMTcJ|mobile> Cool
[01:40] <nigel_nb> _marx_: the current screencast is good, only thing is you need to correct the first part of "when empathy starts for the first time :)
[01:40] <_marx_> why is that?
[01:41] <_marx_> that's what it does the first time one starts it
[01:42] <nigel_nb> _marx_: you asked the user to click next, actually, he's supposed to be clicking cancel, since IRC isn't there on that list
[01:42] <_marx_> right a first time user would click forward, no?
[01:43] <nigel_nb> since you have to cancel anyway, whats the point?
[01:43] <nigel_nb> IRC is not on the account list there
[01:43] <_marx_> to show what happens the first time one starts empathy to use IRC
[01:44] <_marx_> well including the first usage
[01:44] <_marx_> nigel_nb: i understand your point
[01:44] <_marx_> skip that first dialog box/window
[01:45] <nigel_nb> _marx_: what I was trying to say was, you need to tell user to cancel it off
[01:45] <_marx_> straight way, not look at that first drop down menu
[01:46] <nigel_nb> exactly
[01:46] <nigel_nb> now, we're on the same page
[01:46] <nigel_nb> I'm just trying out editing
[01:46] <_marx_> that assumes the user has used empathy previously
[01:48] <nigel_nb> no no
[01:48] <nigel_nb> what I mean is
[01:48] <nigel_nb> when that pops out,
[01:48] <_marx_> right tell the to click cance
[01:49] <nigel_nb> you should tell something like "we'll not being using this, we'll be adding it manually, so click cancel"
[01:49] <nigel_nb> or something to that effect
[01:49] <_marx_> okay, I grok your thought process
[02:01] <_marx_> flacky hardware
[02:14] <nigel_nb> oh oh
[02:15] <nigel_nb> welcome back everyone :)
[02:15] <nigel_nb> pleia2: did u see my earlier ping when u were away?
[02:16] <pleia2> nigel_nb: yes, but I'm about to run out again :)
[02:17] <nigel_nb> pleia2: cool, will catch when you run back in ;)
[02:17] <pleia2> :)
[04:18] <doctormo> Hmm, who is Saj0577, what's their real name?
[04:20] <doctormo> Ah found it Stephen Johnston
[07:13] <nigel_nb_> pleia2: around?
[07:17] <doctormo> morning nigel_nb_
[07:18] <doctormo> nigel_nb_: It'll be unlikely pleia2 will be around, it must be 2am there right now.
[07:18] <paultag> Yeah
[07:18] <paultag> it's 2:18 :)
[07:18]  * paultag hugs nigel_nb_ :)
[07:18] <paultag> howdy doctormo
[07:19] <doctormo> hey paultag, how is things?
[07:19] <paultag> doctormo, Way too busy! :)
[07:19] <doctormo> paultag: we never got to meet up did we.
[07:19] <paultag> doctormo, but not bad, and almost heading back to Boston ( FINALLY ) for an extended length of time
[07:19] <paultag> doctormo, No, I was forced into some family events late in the game
[07:19] <paultag> doctormo, Thanksgiving is a hectic time of year
[07:20] <paultag> doctormo, I'll be back for a month from the 19th on, though
[07:20] <paultag> doctormo, I'm going to make a point of meeting up with the MA LoCo / You :)
[07:20] <doctormo> paultag: Great, I'm in the UK until the 10th Jan.
[07:20] <paultag> OK
[15:15] <pleia2> doctormo: seen princess and the frog yet?
[15:15] <pleia2> it's lovely!
[15:45] <nigelbabu> pleia2: need your help today evening
[15:46] <mhall119|work> pleia2: is it age-appropriate for a 4 year old do you think?
[15:46] <nigelbabu> trying to configure my router to port forward so that I can ssh into it, but not happening (spend around 5 hours in the morning)
[16:05] <FFEMTcJ> pleia2: still around
[16:05] <pleia2> FFEMTcJ: yeah, what's up?
[16:06] <FFEMTcJ> it was mentioned that if we had instuctors willing to go later than the current scheduled time for UDS we should extend it
[16:06] <FFEMTcJ> thoughts?
[16:06] <pleia2> UUD? :)
[16:06] <pleia2> and yeah, I agree
[16:06] <pleia2> and we should start solidifying the schedule, we have enough volunteers to fill the slots available
[16:06] <FFEMTcJ> ya, that one too
[16:06] <FFEMTcJ> lol
[16:07] <FFEMTcJ> Yup.. That's what I was looking at
[16:07] <pleia2> if you have time, want to start dropping people in slots they are available for? with consideration for their topics
[16:07] <pleia2> (ie - if an "install ubuntu" can be put early in the schedule, great!)
[16:07] <FFEMTcJ> Ya.. Will do..
[16:07] <FFEMTcJ> I was wanting to do cl basics early, but cp isnt avail till later...
[16:07] <Pendulum> pleia2: we were talking about this a couple nights ago and i think figured out that "install ubuntu" can in fact go first :)
[16:07] <nigelbabu> do we have a confirmed schedule?
[16:08] <nigelbabu> today is the deadline you had set pleia2 :)
[16:08] <pleia2> Pendulum: great :)
[16:08] <pleia2> nigelbabu: we have confirmed times (we may decide to extend it) and are fleshing out the actual schedule now
[16:09] <FFEMTcJ> I guess we need to talk to people without courses to find out what they want to teach
[16:10] <pleia2> yeah
[16:10] <pleia2> add them anyway, we'll contact them :)
[16:11] <FFEMTcJ> I'm gonna start working on the schedule now.. my connection is really slow today, so I'll post the tenative when I get it sorted out
[16:12] <mhall119|work> pleia2: talking with FFEMTcJ the other day, I think I'll do more of an intro to Seahorse and GnuPG
[16:12] <mhall119|work> rather than specifically about Evolution integration with GnuPG
[16:12] <pleia2> mhall119|work: yeah I saw your update, that's a great idea :)
[16:13] <mhall119|work> it will have a slight tie-in to the ubuntero part of the Launchpad session
[16:13] <mhall119|work> not sure which should come first
[16:18] <FFEMTcJ> I really wish that the equiv programs could go earlier
[16:18] <nigelbabu> all slots full?
[16:18] <FFEMTcJ> nigelbabu: we are talking about extending the day
[16:19] <FFEMTcJ> if you wanna do something
[16:19] <nigelbabu> FFEMTcJ: if u need more people I'm ready
[16:19] <FFEMTcJ> what do you wanna teach
[16:19] <nigelbabu> FFEMTcJ: that's what I'm looking
[16:19] <FFEMTcJ> do yall think restricted drivers ould last an hour?
[16:19] <FFEMTcJ> could
[16:19] <nigelbabu> any suggestions?
[16:20] <nigelbabu> I doubt, 1 hour is really a stretch
[16:20] <FFEMTcJ> thats what i thought
[16:21] <pleia2> these aren't meant to be in depth classes to explore an entire segment of ubuntu ;)
[16:21] <FFEMTcJ> right..
[16:22] <nigelbabu> FFEMTcJ: someone volunteered for reporting bugs?
[16:23] <FFEMTcJ> nope..
[16:23] <FFEMTcJ> you wanna take launchpad?
[16:23] <nigelbabu> or Launchpad
[16:24] <nigelbabu> I would love to take reporting bugs, but if too small, I'll take entire launchpad
[16:24] <FFEMTcJ> I think we need launchpad to report bugs..
[16:24] <FFEMTcJ> so it could be done together..
[16:24] <FFEMTcJ> just doing brief info on lp?
[16:24] <nigelbabu> but I fear it would get too big
[16:24] <FFEMTcJ> 2 hours :-P
[16:26] <FFEMTcJ> pleia2: i think if done correct, the getting involved could be really good for uusd
[16:27] <nigelbabu> getting involved would make is open week-ish
[16:27] <FFEMTcJ> focus on beomcing a part of the community, not so much "helping"
[16:27] <FFEMTcJ> well, like introducing the concept of lo teams
[16:27] <FFEMTcJ> loco
[16:28] <FFEMTcJ> meeting people with ubuntu interists
[16:28] <FFEMTcJ> uggh
[16:29] <FFEMTcJ> my typing is so delayed that I'm hitting enter before spellchecking
[16:29] <nigelbabu> if we're doing that, then just put the LoCo's
[16:30] <nigelbabu> and put it as meeting others with Ubuntu
[16:30] <nigelbabu> how to meet up and all
[16:31] <FFEMTcJ> That would work.. cover loco teams, cover ubuntu hours, cover different types of meetups? pleia2 ?
[16:33] <nigelbabu> FFEMTcJ: and we'll approach launchpad from the point of view of a user, not contributer
[16:33] <pleia2> nigelbabu: +1
[16:33] <FFEMTcJ> agreed
[16:34] <FFEMTcJ> nigelbabu: is 1 hour long enough for lp and bug reporting?
[16:34] <mhall119|work> introducing LoCo teams is important
[16:34] <pleia2> since we *really* don't want to get into contributing, that's why it's a *user day*
[16:34] <pleia2> UOW is about contributing :)
[16:34] <mhall119|work> I was surprised when we had someone come to Ubuntu Hour because he follows planet.ubuntu.com
[16:34] <FFEMTcJ> right
[16:34] <mhall119|work> but he'd never even contacted out LoCo
[16:34] <FFEMTcJ> like i said.. as long as its done right.. it could be really good
[16:34] <nigelbabu> FFEMTcJ: from a user's point of view LP is for answers, reporting bugs, and shipit... anything else?
[16:35] <mhall119|work> LP has shipit now?
[16:35] <nigelbabu> mhall119|work: shipit is tied to LP
[16:35] <FFEMTcJ> nigelbabu: also account creation?
[16:35] <mhall119|work> must be something new
[16:35] <FFEMTcJ> i mean, its kinda easy.. but woudlnt take too long to mention
[16:36] <pleia2> shipit should not be included
[16:36] <pleia2> they are limiting the number of CDs sent out, people should be encouraged to burn their own
[16:36] <mhall119|work> or get some from their LoCo
[16:36] <pleia2> yeah
[16:36] <nigelbabu> okay, so just joining LP, answers, and reporting bugs
[16:36] <FFEMTcJ> nigelbabu: time?
[16:37] <nigelbabu> when do u want me?
[16:37] <pleia2> might want to check with the bugsquad too, I don't know that using the LP interface is the preferred method of submitting bugs
[16:37] <pleia2> (they have tools and stuff)
[16:37] <nigelbabu> pleia2: I'm frm bug squad :)
[16:37] <FFEMTcJ> depends on the bug
[16:37] <pleia2> ok
[16:37] <FFEMTcJ> lol
[16:37] <nigelbabu> but will check with my mentor too
[16:37] <pleia2> just want to be sure we're teaching people properly and BS doesn't come beat us up :)
[16:37] <mhall119|work> what tools are we going to use for UUD?
[16:38] <nigelbabu> pleia2: haha, sure will get a review from them :)
[16:38] <pleia2> mhall119|work: tools?
[16:38] <mhall119|work> I assume IRC
[16:38] <mhall119|work> how about gwibber?
[16:38] <mhall119|work> or lernid?
[16:38] <nigelbabu> mhall119|work: lernid ruled out
[16:38] <pleia2> I don't know that lernid will be ready in time, but we can check
[16:38] <pleia2> there is a screencast being made for IRC
[16:39] <pleia2> gwibber?
[16:39] <mhall119|work> I should probably upgrade to 9.10 before I do my session
[16:39] <mhall119|work> sorry, not gwibber, gobby
[16:39] <nigelbabu> spoke with jono, better not try for this UUD
[16:39] <pleia2> I'd say gobby usage is up to the instructor
[16:39] <FFEMTcJ> gobby is prolly too advanced, since people are saying irc is
[16:39] <mhall119|work> okay, I didn't know how far along it was, since I'm still on 9.04
[16:39] <pleia2> some instructors for UOW and UDW even had shell accounts people could ssh into :)
[16:39] <mhall119|work> stick to apps in the default install then?
[16:39] <FFEMTcJ> pleia2: that was cool
[16:40] <nigelbabu> I think we'll keep it simple, anything extra can be made a wiki page :)
[16:40] <nigelbabu> screencasts are getting ready
[16:40] <mhall119|work> Syllabus in the Wiki?
[16:40] <pleia2> it's up to the instructor
[16:40] <pleia2> we'll ask for summaries of their class
[16:40] <nigelbabu> ultimately, yes, the instructor decides
[16:41] <mhall119|work> I may do that, if for no other reason than to have links to where they can learn more technical details about GnuPG
[16:42] <FFEMTcJ> I spoke to the guy who wants to teach restricted drivers and he said he can do an hour without getting to advanced since its installing from repos and from vendors
[16:44] <FFEMTcJ> nigelbabu: time?
[16:44] <nigelbabu> FFEMTcJ: when do u want me
[16:45] <FFEMTcJ> all the time.. ;-) jk... are you avail the whole day?
[16:46] <nigelbabu> earlier the better for me, coz the current schedule ends at 3:30 am my time
[16:47] <FFEMTcJ> okie
[16:47] <FFEMTcJ> is 1800 too late?
[16:47] <nigelbabu> 1800 UTC?
[16:47] <FFEMTcJ> I could do 16 if you prefer
[16:48] <nigelbabu> 1800 UTC is great :)
[16:48] <nigelbabu> FFEMTcJ: what do you mean by "How to become an Ubuntero"?
[16:49] <FFEMTcJ> dunoo.. didnt put that on htere
[16:49] <FFEMTcJ> uggh
[16:49] <FFEMTcJ> LLLLAAAAAGGGGGGGG
[16:50] <nigelbabu> updated wiki, I removed joining teams (its more contributor point of view)
[16:50] <FFEMTcJ> does ubuntero still exist?
[16:50] <mhall119|work> FFEMTcJ: that's the label for people who have signed the CoC I believe
[16:51] <FFEMTcJ> hmm
[16:51] <nigelbabu> do we need that for a user day?
[16:51] <nigelbabu> I mean its a bit.... unuseful for a user point of view, signing CoC is more helpful for contributors
[16:52] <mhall119|work> It would probably be good to at least talk about the CoC and what it means for the community
[16:52] <FFEMTcJ> aggreed
[16:52] <FFEMTcJ> nigelbabu: would you prefer 1600?
[16:52] <mhall119|work> I can cover what it means to "sign" it in my session on GnuPG
[16:53] <nigelbabu> mhall119|work: but it becomes a bit towards "contributing"
[16:54] <mhall119|work> nigelbabu: it's a pre-requisite for some contributing, yes
[16:54] <nigelbabu> for a user, lp is only for bugs and answers, and you dont need CoC for thta
[16:54] <mhall119|work> signing it that is
[16:54] <mhall119|work> following the CoC is just good community behavior
[16:54] <nigelbabu> I'll try to fit it in
[16:55] <nigelbabu> can you take the signing part?
[16:55] <nigelbabu> because bugs and answers take up a bit of time
[16:55] <nigelbabu> FFEMTcJ: 1600 or 1800, I'm okay
[16:55] <mhall119|work> yeah, I'll cover what it means to sign it
[16:56] <nigelbabu> mhall119|work: you go before or after me?
[16:56] <nigelbabu> if after, I'll say it will be covered later on
[16:56] <mhall119|work> nigelbabu: I don't know
[16:56] <mhall119|work> I don't think it matters if you're not going to talk about signing
[16:57] <mhall119|work> I would think after would be best
[16:57] <mhall119|work> given that my session is more technical
[16:57] <nigelbabu> then I'll just skip the whole part
[16:57] <nigelbabu> I'll just do joining LP, why join LP, reporting bugs, and launchpad answers
[16:57] <mhall119|work> is there an intro to the community session?
[16:58] <mhall119|work> the CoC should be talked about when discussin teh community
[16:58] <FFEMTcJ> not yet mike
[16:58] <FFEMTcJ> I'm trying to get itnet to do that
[16:58] <mhall119|work> +1
[16:58] <FFEMTcJ> well.. mentioned it to him
[16:58] <FFEMTcJ> and asked
[16:58] <mhall119|work> any chance of getting jono to do it?
[16:59] <FFEMTcJ> Could ask
[16:59] <FFEMTcJ> pleia2: do you have a problem with that?
[16:59] <mhall119|work> if not jono, maybe jcastro or someone else in his team
[17:01] <Pendulum> I think jono or any of his horsemen would be good :)
[17:01] <pleia2> FFEMTcJ: no problem with that
[17:01] <FFEMTcJ> cool
[17:02] <pleia2> I'd only ask that we see if jono or whoever does it with awareness about the purpose of the day
[17:02] <pleia2> how the community can help users
[17:03] <Pendulum> makes sense to me
[17:03] <FFEMTcJ> Right..
[17:03] <mhall119|work> to me, the community is one of the most important aspects of Ubuntu to a user
[17:03] <FFEMTcJ> mhall119|work: agreed
[17:03] <FFEMTcJ> 25
[17:03] <mhall119|work> you really get more than just an OS
[17:10] <FFEMTcJ> pleia2: fwiw, it looks like you have 2009 in the link to worldclock that you did on the classroom page for python packaging
[17:11] <pleia2> can you fix it?
[17:11]  * pleia2 busy at work at the moment
[17:14] <FFEMTcJ> Ya..
[17:19] <FFEMTcJ> pleia2: you said you had some info about the intro?
[17:19] <FFEMTcJ> I dont remember exactally what you said
[17:19] <pleia2> that's something I think we should put together as a team
[17:20] <FFEMTcJ> okie
[17:20] <pleia2> maybe get some administrative stuff out of the way, say this is our first user day, feedback appreciated, let people know about other learning resources in the project (ubuntu open week, dev week, classroom, leanring project)
[17:20] <FFEMTcJ> _marx_ Pendulum are you both avail at 1200 on UUD day?
[17:25] <FFEMTcJ> lunch.. bbiab
[17:25] <mhall119|work> mmm, lunch, sounds like a terrific idea
[17:26] <Pendulum> FFEMTcJ: I am
[18:01] <FFEMTcJ> When does UDS and UOW get scheduled?
[18:05] <doctormo> pleia2: The princess and the frog doesn't come out in the uk until April.
[18:05] <pleia2> doctormo: sad :(
[18:05] <pleia2> guess you'll have to see it when you get home
[18:06] <doctormo> mhall119|work: http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/thedudette/nostalgia-chick/14707-ep021
[18:08] <doctormo> pleia2: Indeed I will, but it's yet another damning condemnation of the improper use of international copyright law to effect the controlled rollout of material and culture by Disney.
[18:08] <mhall119|work> doctormo: what is that?
[18:08] <doctormo> For this, if I were tyrant, I'd reduce copyright terms to 20 years and watch them squirm! Mwhahaha.
[18:09] <doctormo> mhall119|work: Video about Disney pricesses.
[18:09] <_marx_> FFEMTcJ: what TZ
[18:09] <FFEMTcJ> utc
[18:09] <mhall119|work> SFW?
[18:09] <doctormo> yes
[18:10] <mhall119|work> 30 second ad for a chevy SUV
[18:10] <mhall119|work> fail
[18:10] <_marx_> FFEMTcJ: I can do that 0700 EST
[18:11] <FFEMTcJ> okie
[18:11] <FFEMTcJ> Pendulum: did you make yourself a wiki page?
[18:11] <mhall119|work> doctormo: oh God, don't let her see all that merchandise, I'll go bankrupt
[18:11]  * _marx_ in meeting until 1400 EST
[18:12] <FFEMTcJ> today? thats fine
[18:12] <Pendulum> FFEMTcJ: friday or saturday, it was up :)
[18:13] <FFEMTcJ> yay! link?
[18:13] <Pendulum> FFEMTcJ: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Pendulum
[18:13] <doctormo> mhall119|work: I love how everyone in the world sees those adverts, I imagine this poor african kid watching it and thinking about how daft an SUV is.
[18:14] <pleia2> doctormo: poor example, I think in poor africa they might actually have a *use* for an SUV, unlike american grocery getters :)
[18:14]  * mhall119|work likes his SUV
[18:15] <doctormo> pleia2: epends on the country I guess, most would just be happy with a mo-ped (sp)
[18:15] <mhall119|work> how else was I going to pull a 17' camping trailer and 14 computers from Florida to Tennessee?
[18:15] <doctormo> mhall119|work: rental truck?
[18:16] <mhall119|work> and where would the wife and kids sleep?
[18:17] <doctormo> mhall119|work: hotel.
[18:17] <mhall119|work> too expensive
[18:19] <doctormo> Since the majority of deaths involving road vehcials in the US are not drivers or pasengers, but cyclists and pedesrians, out of a concern for others a great deal of thought has to be placed on what kind of vehcial someone operates day to day.
[18:26] <doctormo> bbl, going to an entamolgy christmas bash.
[18:42] <Pendulum> FFEMTcJ: did you get it? (my net connection here has been bouncing like crazy :( )
[18:57] <FFEMTcJ> yes
[18:57] <FFEMTcJ> check out the team page Pendulum _marx_
[18:57] <Pendulum> happy now? :P
[18:58] <FFEMTcJ> never
[18:58] <FFEMTcJ> but you have a wiki page, so im happy about that
[22:19] <nigel_nb> FFEMTcJ: around?
[22:26] <FFEMTcJ> yessir
[22:27] <nigel_nb> FFEMTcJ: could you change my topic to Using Launchpad?
[22:28] <nigel_nb> I would have done it, but u've asked not to edit the page ;)
[22:29] <FFEMTcJ> what about the bug reporting?
[22:33] <nigel_nb> it would be part of it
[22:33] <nigel_nb> because its bug reporting and answers too
[22:33] <FFEMTcJ> ok
[22:34] <nigel_nb> remember in the developer week somone had taken a class on what to do when things go wrong?
[22:34] <FFEMTcJ> done
[22:34] <nigel_nb> it would be nice if we got someone to do something like that
[22:34] <nigel_nb> thanks FFEMTcJ  :)
[22:35] <nigel_nb> btw, you got in touch with Nagendra?
[22:38] <nigel_nb> FFEMTcJ: we now have enough topics?
[22:38] <nigel_nb> seems like everything out there is covered
[22:40] <FFEMTcJ> away
[22:40] <FFEMTcJ> We have enough instructors.. but dont have topics for each
[22:40] <FFEMTcJ> dinner time...
[22:41] <nigel_nb> FFEMTcJ: got a brainwave
[22:41] <nigel_nb> check out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Learning/UbuntuDesktopTopics
[22:41] <nigel_nb> assign from there
[22:41] <FFEMTcJ> k
[22:41] <FFEMTcJ> bbiab
[22:41] <nigel_nb> will talk to you in a few hours when I get home
[23:08] <pleia2> well we won't really "assign" topics, but we can email all the folks who are interested and don't have a topic yet and see what they'd like to do from that page, and show them the schedule thus far