[06:25] <ara> good morning all!
[08:48] <davmor2> Morning all
[08:55] <ara> morning davmor2
[10:58] <davmor2-kvm> hello
[10:58] <davmor2-kvm> might upgrade to lucid /join /msg etc working in empathy far less off putting :)
[11:18] <davmor2> Yay /msg works in empathy in lucid which means you can register new nicks
[11:23] <thekorn> davmor2, hi, OOI: is getting a list of channels working?
[11:44] <davmor2> thekorn: better still ;)
[12:52]  * ara -> lunch
[13:54] <cr3> top of the morning, mateys
[13:57] <ara> morning cr3
[13:58] <fagan> afternoon all
[14:06] <moustafa> cr3, fader_, davmor2 : *slobbering gibberish*
[14:07] <davmor2> cr3, moustafa fader_ morning guys
[14:07] <fader_> Hey all
[14:07] <moustafa> I meant: Bonjour!
[14:10] <cr3> moustafa: voila la conversation dans le parc
[14:10] <moustafa> cr3: Bonjour!
[14:16] <fader_> moustafa: feel up to starting some laptop tests in a few minutes?
[14:17] <moustafa> fader_: Not a problem
[14:19] <fader_> moustafa: Rockin'.  I'm setting them up now... they'll need you to stab their power buttons in a moment.  I'll let you know.
[14:19] <moustafa> fader_ : W00t!
[14:19] <fader_> moustafa: Okay, should be ready now
[14:31] <moustafa> fader_ We've got bugs!
[14:31] <fader_> moustafa: Lies!  Lies that are not true!
[14:31] <fader_> What's going on?
[14:34] <moustafa> fader_ 200903-2141 "Unable to find a live system on network"; 200908-3477 "No response from network"; 200910-4254 & -4255 "BUG: soft lockup - CPU#1 stuck for 61s"; 299712-205 Has a graphic corruption.  I can't see if the installation has stopped or not, though
[14:34] <fader_> Whew, nice.
[14:34] <fader_> Everything else working or is this just a representative sample?
[14:35] <moustafa> Everything else appears to be working fine
[14:36] <moustafa> fader_ : Actually, everything else is at the 85% mark of the installation "Installing language packs"
[14:36] <fader_> moustafa: Okay.  Thanks.
[14:37] <fader_> moustafa: Feel like poking at 200903-2141 or 200908-3477 to see if you can figure out what their problem is?
[14:38] <fader_> It sounds like maybe the ethernet card isn't being properly initialized but you're in a much better position to say than I am at the moment :)
[14:38] <moustafa> fader_ : What do I look like?  An intern?  :P
[14:38] <fader_> ;)
[14:42] <moustafa> fader_ : Well, 200908-3477 doesn't respond to any ping requests
[14:43] <fader_> moustafa: Yeah, you'll probably need to go on the console to look at them.  Assuming the installer started, you should have the option to 'go back' and 'execute a shell'
[14:43] <fader_> From there 'ip link' and 'lsmod'/'modprobe' are your friends :)
[14:44] <fader_> If you can grab a copy of the syslog that would be a help, but without networking you'll have to get it on a USB stick
[14:45] <moustafa> fader_ : Well, there's no shell.  :(
[14:45] <fader_> moustafa: Hmm, did the installer start up or is it hung somewhere before that?
[14:46] <moustafa> fader_: Before that, it's when it's trying to set up a live user
[14:47] <davmor2> fader_: empathy in lucid is nicer the irc module does /msg /join etc Yay
[14:47] <moustafa> fader_: It's pretty much the same with 200903-2141
[14:48] <fader_> moustafa: Give me a sec; I'm going to reset that one and try the alternate CD to see if we have better luck
[14:48] <moustafa> fader_ Ok :)
[14:48] <moustafa> davmor2: Would you be willing to state that empathy is nicer than Pidgin?
[14:49]  * davmor2 is having a play with idle cr3 nicer way of playing with python at this point :)
[14:49] <davmor2> moustafa: I'd say it is at least on par with pidgin in lucid which it isn't in karmic
[14:50] <moustafa> davmor2: You're playing with cr3's python?
[14:50] <moustafa> cool
[14:53] <davmor2> moustafa: the audio/video stuff works better than pidgin though.  I think that empathy in lucid will really rock in comparison to karmics to be fair, they are about a third of the way through the development process for 2.30 and already there are some major improvements so who knows
[14:54] <moustafa> davmor2: Indeed.  That's one thing I loved about the open source world: Everything moves so fast, and you can see the changes happen
[14:55] <moustafa> good morning/afternoon, marjo
[14:58] <fader_> moustafa: Can you try stabbing 200903-2141 for me?
[14:58] <fader_> davmor2: I'll switch up to lucid at some point and give it a shot :)
[14:59] <moustafa> fader_: It's installing!
[14:59] <fader_> marjo: Don't be fooled by moustafa; there's no such thing as a good morning
[14:59] <fader_> moustafa: \o/
[15:00] <fader_> moustafa: I'll set up 200908-3477 as well then
[15:00] <davmor2> fader_: yes there is that's the one day in the cycle where iso's just install :)
[15:01] <davmor2-kvm> fader_: see I registered this nick earlier using empathy :D
[15:02] <davmor2-kvm> and it works :)
[15:02] <davmor2-kvm> Yay
[15:02] <fader_> moustafa: Please restart 200908-3477 at your leisure (and keep your fingers crossed ;) )
[15:02] <fader_> davmor2: Heh, that might be a good afternoon, but I still contend there's never a good morning
[15:02] <moustafa> davmor2, fader_ I have a pretty enjoyable definition of "good morning" that I can't state here because of all the virgin ears
[15:03] <fader_> moustafa: Be nice :)
[15:03] <davmor2> fader_: good mornings are when you wake up without a hangover :D
[15:04] <fader_> davmor2: Wow, they make mornings like that?
[15:04] <davmor2> fader_: yeah you just don't drink the night before :P
[15:04] <fader_> Bah.  I don't believe it.
[15:05] <moustafa> fader_ What?  I wasn't stating anything... http://ineedahandjob.com/Handjob/Order.html
[15:08] <persia> !language
[15:08] <ubot4> Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[15:12] <moustafa> persia: Sorry.  I wasn't exactly aiming for an excess level of indecency
[15:12] <persia> moustafa: Understood.  It's just that we get all kinds here, and it's safest to avoid possible misinterpretation :)
[15:13] <moustafa> persia: Completely understandable.
[15:40] <moustafa> fader_ 200903-2141 finished the install, but after the reboot attempted to start it again
[15:40] <moustafa> Incidentally, it's the only completed install so far
[15:40] <fader_> moustafa: Hmm, I might have goofed it up.  Let's let it run and see if it stops after that.
[15:41] <moustafa> fader_ I actually skipped it.  :/
[15:41] <fader_> Are the other installs hung or just taking forever?
[15:41] <fader_> moustafa: Meh, that's fine too :)
[15:41] <moustafa> fader_ they're hung
[15:41] <fader_> :(
[15:41] <fader_> On what?
[15:42] <moustafa> "Installing Language packs"  85% completion
[15:42] <moustafa> 200908-3477, on the other hand, is horrendously slow
[15:43] <fader_> davmor2: ^^ seen this bit with the language packs in your journeys of late?
[16:03] <davmor2> fader_: sorry away, no I'm working on hardy sru's today dude
[16:03] <fader_> Meh, thanks anyway
[16:04] <fader_> moustafa: I'll reset all the laptops to use the alternate image, so you'll have to go hit the power buttons again in a moment
[16:05] <fader_> (assuming they're still stopped at 85%)
[16:10] <moustafa> fader_ They still are
[16:14] <moustafa> Is it just me, or does freenode have problems keeping people logged in?
[16:15] <sbeattie> moustafa: freenode is having some netsplit issues.
[16:15] <sbeattie> !netsplit
[16:15] <ubot4> netsplit is when two IRC servers of the same network (like freenode) disconnect from each other, so users on one server stop seeing users on the other. If this is happening now, just relax and enjoy the show. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netsplit
[16:16] <ara> netsplits are fun
[16:17] <fader_> moustafa: Can you go kick off the laptops for me please?
[16:17] <czajkowski> ara: aye we're a bit messed today
[16:18]  * moustafa goes to kick the laptops
[16:18] <davmor2> czajkowski: is that like saying they lied a bit when they said the titanic couldn't sink?
[16:19] <czajkowski> if yuo're +w you'll see the freenode wallops being sent out with info
[16:20] <davmor2> czajkowski: no thanks I have enough fun trying to keep up with the stuff on the screen already :)
[16:23] <moustafa> fader_ : incidentally, I switched the 200910-4252 and -4256 laptops (Roberts and Jolie, respectively) to the new laptops.  The new ones aren't configured to do a network install.  Thought you might want to know since we need to test those too
[16:27] <davmor2> fader_: running a live 32bit now
[16:28] <fader_> davmor2: Cool, thanks.  We'll see if you're better at installing than moustafa and I.
[16:29] <davmor2> fader_: I'm thinking that it might be a networking issue as it tries to dl the lang packs
[16:30] <davmor2> moustafa: just a tip for you if you write a bug don't put the % write down the text ;)
[16:30] <fader_> Hmm, maybe.  Though they're all installing over the network in this environment, so it'd be an odd one
[16:30] <davmor2> fader_: configuring hw now
[16:30] <davmor2> installing grub
[16:31] <davmor2> fader_: yes but does it have networking to the outside world?
[16:32] <fader_> davmor2: Nope.  Where are the langpacks?
[16:32] <moustafa> davmor2: Thanks for the tip :)
[16:32] <davmor2> fader_: online dude, installation complete
[16:32] <fader_> I'd have thought they'd be in the repositories like everything else...
[16:33] <fader_> Hmm
[16:33] <moustafa> fader_: They don't don't boot to the network.  It's a good thing I configured the BIOS to load from the DVD drive after the network boot or we would have found ourselves installing Windows 7
[16:33] <fader_> davmor2: Thanks for checking
[16:33] <davmor2> fader_: it depends where ubiquity is checking for it I suppose
[16:34] <fader_> Meh, we'll have to snag a syslog from one and find out
[16:35] <moustafa> fader_ We'd have to set a ubiquity install then,  unless they fail at around the same point with the alternat
[16:35] <fader_> moustafa: Did they attempt to PXE boot but not find a server?
[16:35] <fader_> moustafa: Yeah, we'll wait for the d-i install to finish first... let's get some test results before we go crazy :)
[16:36] <moustafa> They attempted the PXE boot
[16:36] <davmor2> fader_: I can try again with no internet connection and see if it fails?
[16:37] <fader_> davmor2: Not strictly necessary but I won't stop you if you're curious
[16:37] <fader_> moustafa: Okay, then it's something server-side; I'll check into it in a few
[16:38] <moustafa> fader: Cool
[16:38] <moustafa> davmor2: I'd do it, just to be sure
[16:41] <davmor2> moustafa: might have to wait till tomorrow now unfortunately
[16:49] <moustafa> 200609-29: Kernel Panic!
[16:50] <davmor2> wow fader_ lucid has the firmware for my tv card I can test even more now :)
[16:53] <fader_> moustafa: Please reboot that one and see if it comes up enough to file a bug report :)
[17:08] <moustafa> fader_ It's done that a couple of times.  I went and grabbed anything that might prove useful from /var/log
[17:27] <moustafa> fader_ I'm not sure: should I post the bug to the kernel team?
[17:32] <fader`> moustafa: Yeah, it's a kernel bug, so file it against the linux (Ubuntu) project
[17:32] <fader`> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux
[17:32] <fader`> Make sure to include all the logs you can think of plus the output of 'sudo lspci -vnvn'
[17:32] <fader`> And once you're done with that, see what you can do about these netsplits :P
[17:58] <moustafa> fader: bug #497073
[17:58] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 497073 in linux "Lucid 2.6.32-6.8-generic kernel panic" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/497073
[17:59] <fader`> moustafa: Awesome, thanks!
[20:17] <zengeos> Any initial thoughts on Lucid alpha?
[20:17] <zengeos> I have several...good and bad.
[20:19] <zengeos> everyone lurking, ehh?
[20:19] <ruffus910> this channels usually dead
[20:19] <ruffus910> unless theres a meeting or somethig
[20:19] <zengeos> ahh ok
[20:20] <ruffus910> plus freenode is acting up
[20:20] <zengeos> Where are meetings announced?
[20:20] <ruffus910> the ubuntu wiki, i think
[20:20] <zengeos> yeah it was a bit difficult to get room list
[20:20] <zengeos> ok.
[20:20] <ruffus910> i just keep it on mostly for fun
[20:20] <zengeos> Sadly, I couldn't install Lucid. I did however play with the LiveCD.
[20:21] <zengeos> The wireless drivers in Lucid seem to work better for me. I was getting much stronger signal indicators
[20:22] <zengeos> Don't know what changed, but whatever it is, my wireless works better in Lucid
[20:22] <ruffus910> well, LTS's are usually focused on bug fixes
[20:23] <zengeos> Yes, understood.
[20:26] <fader_> zengeos, ruffus910: FYI, all the various meetings are on the calendar here: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar
[20:26] <fader_> QA meetings are generally Wednesdays at 1700 UTC
[20:26] <fader_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Meetings/
[20:26] <zengeos> thanks
[20:26] <zengeos> bummer I work at that time
[20:26] <fader_> zengeos: No problem!  I hope to see you there :)
[20:26] <zengeos> ahh well
[20:27] <fader_> zengeos: You might want to join the QA mailing list then: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-qa
[20:27] <zengeos> It's been about 10 years since I've done any software beta testing...lots changed since then
[20:27] <fader_> FYI, the meetings are logged so you can review what was discussed and if you can't make it to the meetings, you can bring up topics here or on the mailing list
[20:28] <fader_> zengeos: Yeah, for example there aren't any more bugs.  I think we got the last one yesterday! ;)
[20:28] <zengeos> cool!  But then what will I do?  Just make suggestions?  I know!  Let's add a toaster!
[20:29] <zengeos> Toasted english muffin with home made jelly...yum!
[20:29] <zengeos> Could even spin a Muffin and jelly version then ;)
[20:30] <zengeos> I hail from oldie, but goodie GEOS
[20:30] <zengeos> heh
[20:30] <zengeos> you know...the OS M$ put out of business due to illegal marketing practices?
[20:31] <moustafa> Which one? That's like stating "the bald guy in a suit" when discussing FBI agents
[20:33] <fader_> :)
[20:34] <zengeos> GEOS
[20:35] <moustafa> zengeos: I read, I was just stating that to refer to an OS that Microsoft took down via illegal marketing practises is akin to being excessively vague when talking about someone
[20:36] <moustafa> Like the guy who killed Mozart in Last Action Hero
[20:39]  * moustafa basks in his own wit
[21:08] <zengeos> Ahh yes understood
[21:08] <zengeos> Of course, this was a lifetime ago in terms of computer evolution
[21:14] <moustafa> zengeos: According to Wikipedia, the 16-bit version of GEOS is still around
[21:15] <zengeos> Indeed it is...Breadbox.  Unfortunately, next to no programmers/updating going on and it's the most elegant os I know of
[21:16] <moustafa> zengeos: Not to be a pain, but when I think of "elegant OS", from what I've heard, I tend to think of BeOS or NEXT.  Admittedly, I hadn't heard of any of the above until the last year, so I guess this really falls into the matter of opinion
[21:16] <zengeos> Geoworks moved to Nokia XIP PDA designs....not enough uptake tho. then NewDeal and another company licensed the OS...some nice improvements occured in late 90's, but not much since.
[21:17] <zengeos> Right. GEOS was elegant in that it was really the first x86 Object oriented OS. Ran on 8086 PC's and was fully multithreaded multitasking.
[21:17] <zengeos> Used motif as the GUI
[21:18] <zengeos> Breadbox has no financial resources to do much tho they are working on making it more Linux compatible...able to run as a DOS app under Linux
[21:19] <zengeos> There was a plan to move to 32 bit OS to improve/expand memory to get javascript functional, but no resources
[21:22] <zengeos> ahh well... on to greener pastures
[21:24] <fader_> I don't suppose it's open-source these days, is it?
[21:24] <moustafa> fader_ Doesn't look like it
[21:24] <moustafa> From what I've seen, it's closed-source
[21:25] <fader_> Too bad :/  I'm always up for playing with other OSes
[21:26] <zengeos> yes, GEOS is. It's also a bear to program for, another serious disadvantage.
[21:26] <zengeos> But the end result is elegant in it's abilities.
[21:27] <zengeos> of course, the core libraries were coded in assembly
[21:32]  * fader_ shudders.
[21:33] <fader_> The Elder Days. :)
[21:35] <zengeos> oh yeah
[21:35] <zengeos> :)
[21:36] <zengeos> the SDK did add an OOC compiler tho :)
[21:40] <fader_> zengeos: We'll just have to nudge you toward Python a bit ;)
[21:40] <zengeos> heh I'll just have to learn programming a bit.  Never coded except PHP and ASP
[21:43] <zengeos> and right now I just work on the occasional website
[21:52] <zengeos> well that was interesting
[21:53] <fader_> zengeos: What's up?
[21:54] <zengeos> most everyone bumped and reentered
[21:56] <fader_> Ah, yeah there have been some issues today with netsplits
[21:56] <fader_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netsplit
[21:57] <zengeos> yeah things have been generally slow here. not just IRC, but overall.  WoW very slow, torrents slow, etc
[21:58] <moustafa> fader_ have you tried HaikuOS?
[21:59] <zengeos> The followup to Be?
[21:59] <fader_> moustafa: Yeah, I poked at it a bit.  Those folks are doing a good job.
[21:59] <moustafa> Yes
[21:59] <fader_> I always had a soft spot for BeOS
[21:59] <moustafa> how does it compare to BeOS?
[22:00] <moustafa> I've tried it, but without any previous experience, I couldn't tell how nice it was
[22:05] <fader_> moustafa: I only played with it for a little while, but it felt basically like BeOS did
[22:05] <fader_> Though IIRC networking wasn't working for me so I couldn't download any apps
[22:06] <zengeos> How about OpenSolaris?
[22:08] <zengeos> I tried O.S a few days ago. Networking worked great on it. incomplete ATI drivers tho
[22:09] <zengeos> Networking on Lucid works about as well as on O.S.....noticeably better than Karmic
[22:09] <fader_> I have an Open Solaris CD floating around here somewhere... I should make a VM of it :)
[22:12] <moustafa> I've checked out OpenSolaris, and scrambled back to Ubuntu :P
[22:12] <moustafa> I'll have to give it a more "independant" try sometime soon
[22:13] <moustafa> In the meantime, fader_, cr3, zengeos, good evening
[22:13] <moustafa> Also: Isle of Mann
[22:13] <fader_> moustafa: Heh, g'night
[22:13] <cr3> moustafa: see you same bat channel, same bat hour
[22:18] <zengeos> heh...i just try different distros on different hardware here...
[22:18] <zengeos> ubuntu is primary tho
[22:24] <fader_> 'night all... catch you on the flip side
[22:59] <ulysses__> I repeated the Kubuntu Karmic -> Lucid (i386) test case, how can I send a new report? Or just edit the existing report?
[23:10] <ulysses__> anyone here?:P