[00:02] <dtchen> phoenixz: integrating often-fast-moving upstream code into a cohesive user experience is non-trivial
[00:02] <dtchen> phoenixz: in your case, linux moves *very* quickly
[00:12] <bearbonez_> phoenixz: welcome to the world of linux, we do it because we like ripping the OS apart & fixing it :)
[01:18] <chuckf_> am I doing something wrong? I am trying to copy text from an OOo doc to another OOo doc, a terminal and Kate and failing. I am highlighting the text, using ctrl-c then ctrl-v. I've also tried to use the copy/paste menu options with no better success
[01:23] <philippe> allo
[01:23] <philippe> comment je fais pour aller sur undernet?
[01:36] <cheeko> is there any downloag manager for kubuntu like the dowmload manager for windows which boosts the down load speed by 300 %
[01:37] <genii> cheeko: The "DownThemAll" firefox addon works on Linux
[01:38] <cheeko> i have it it seems to be sluggish
[01:39] <vashitn> any body here
[01:41] <coolalee> how do i know my root password? during installation i wasn't asked to create one and user management requires it
[01:42] <vashitn> coolalee your account password
[01:42] <i_is_broke> !root
[01:42] <genii> i_is_broke: Or in graphical KDE, kdesudo ...
[01:43] <i_is_broke> genii, not me, i know.
[01:46] <coolalee> ok i get it when it comes to console, but still, when i'm being asked for root password in user management, what i'm supposed to do?
[01:46] <i_is_broke> its the same
[01:59] <dequire> is it even possible to make a Kubuntu install w/o making a root password on install (answering ? from above)...
[01:59] <dequire> coolalee: I think you have to have made a PW on original install for your user acct. it's the same one.
[02:03] <cheeko> in ktorrent the torrent which is the top most gets to be donloaded but in normal bit torrent i f ther are 3 torrents to be dloaded all of them work simultaneously
[02:07] <hagabaka> is there a kde nightly ppa?
[02:10] <cheeko> i have ktorrent as my torrent clent whaen ever i put 2-3 torrents to gether to download only the first one starts to download the rest two of them sit idle is ther any other better torrent clent which downloads all torrents simultaneously
[02:12] <hagabaka> you can configure ktorrent to download more torrents simultaneously
[02:16] <cheeko> hagabaka: how do i configure that
[02:17] <hagabaka> cheeko: Queue Manager - Maximum Downloads
[02:19] <yang_> Any word on  the no compisition thing?
[02:20] <genii> hagabaka: If anyone knows about some kde-nightly repo, it would likely be in #kubuntu-devel
[03:05] <egoflux_> what command can i use to show the location of a command?
[03:05] <egoflux_> or application
[03:06] <egoflux_> ?
[03:12] <genii> egoflux: locate filename-goes-here
[03:25] <hagabaka> what is the purpose of "network manager"?
[03:26] <genii> One would guess - to help manage your network connections
[03:27] <hagabaka> I have just one connection, and it's been just wasting space there
[03:28] <hagabaka> when the connection isn't working, I can't use it to fix it either, but I can use /etc/init.d/networking restart
[03:30] <Guest27292> can someone tell me the last "stable" kubuntu version?
[03:30] <maco> 9.10 karmic koala
[03:30] <maco> just like ubuntu
[03:31] <i_is_broke> the last lts was 8.04
[03:32] <i_is_broke> next one is 10.4
[03:32] <maco> but those arent ethe only stable releases
[03:32] <i_is_broke> no lts
[03:32] <i_is_broke> i was just saying
[03:34] <Guest19298> is it possible to run programs from an external hard drive?
[03:34] <BlueX> i_is_broke: how old is 8.04?
[03:34] <BlueX> so its superior to 9.04?
[03:35] <i_is_broke> well i wouldnt say superior thats for sure, its getting quite outdated.
[03:35] <BlueX> because I have now tried kubuntu 9.10 and sabayon 5.1 with kde 4.3 etc and they are both buggy and unstable
[03:36] <i_is_broke> BlueX, some people are staying with 9.04 cause of compatibility issues with 9.10
[03:38] <BlueX> that's kde 4.2?
[03:38] <i_is_broke> im not sure i wasnt on that one very long it didnt like my video so i had to update.
[03:39] <juan__> quien habla  espanol ?
[03:39] <i_is_broke> !es
[03:39] <maco> BlueX: yes 9.04 is 4.2
[03:39] <i_is_broke> maco, ty i couldnt remember.
[03:40] <maco> was the first kde release i actually liked :P
[03:40] <i_is_broke> lol
[03:40] <i_is_broke> i would of probably stayed with it, if it wasnt for the sluggish intel video.
[03:41] <maco> heh i upgraded to karmic as soon as i got home from UDS
[03:41] <i_is_broke> lol
[03:41] <maco> and now that my good laptop is back from the shop, it should be getting lucid tomorrow
[03:41] <i_is_broke> yeah i was on karmic, about the day after the first alpha release.
[03:41] <maco> this one'll probably stay karmic just because im too lazy to do two upgrades this week
[03:42] <maco> "dont run it on a production machine"? pssshhhhhh i ran feisty alpha2 on the only machine i had. worked fine!
[03:42] <maco> :P
[03:42]  * maco wreckless
[03:42] <i_is_broke> been running lucid on test box, since the day the lucid change were released. just not on this one..i dont want to lose all my stuff again if it crashes.
[03:43] <i_is_broke> yeah been there done that.
[03:43] <dtchen> uh
[03:43] <dtchen> I really wouldn't run lucid until way after the kernel has stabilised for a couple more point releases
[03:43]  * chuckf_ wonders if there's a better way to control networking in Kubuntu outside of NM
[03:43]  * chuckf_ wonders if it might just be the ath9k driver causing problems
[03:44] <i_is_broke> dtchen, thats why i put mine on a test box..
[03:45] <genii> chuckf_: Some people like to use wicd
[03:45] <rstob911> chuckf_: have you tried wicd
[03:46] <chuckf_> no wicd yet
[03:46] <chuckf_> but I will investigate it
[03:52] <Guest19298> is it possible to run programs from an external hard drive?
[03:53] <chibi-wing> yea its possible, needs executable access
[03:55] <Guest19298> how do i set that up?
[04:07] <kindofabuzz> can I install Synaptic? this Kpackagekit sucks
[04:07] <BlueX> as far as I know
[04:12] <kindofabuzz> and what should I install to do a proper crash report. it says i don't have something installed to be a proper one when i get the report but doesn't tell me what to install
[04:21] <chuckf_> genii: rstob911: thanks for the tip on wicd. I'm using it now and we'll see how it goes
[04:22] <r00t__> Can anyoen think of some fun eyecandy that isnt preinstaled with kubuntu?
[04:22] <rstob911> my wireless sometimes i have to restart my cable modem about once a week
[04:22] <kindofabuzz> using 4.4b1 and now I get Failed to activate desktop effects using the given configuration options. Settings will be reverted to their previous values.
[04:23] <BlueX> rstob911: ath9k?
[04:23] <rstob911> yes
[04:23] <r00t__> how do i use the kill comand to terinate an app if kill or kill -9 dosent work? Im a bit new to linux..
[04:24] <BlueX> yeah, still being developed but its really a kernel issue..kubuntu 9.10 uses kernel .31 which drops connections with a number of cards especially atheros
[04:24] <chuckf_> well that sucks
[04:24] <r00t__> kubuntu/ubuntu is the only OS that works decetn with my card.. windows drops my conections 20~ tiems a day.
[04:24] <BlueX> r00t: use k menu, system, system monitor
[04:25] <BlueX> to kill apps
[04:25] <rstob911> yea it is the kernel at this point but seems like they are addressing this issue in lucid
[04:25] <BlueX> lucid *should* be much better yes
[04:25] <r00t__> BlueX: there isnt a CLI option?
[04:25] <BlueX> if kill isn't working I'm not sure how better to us it
[04:26] <r00t__> Thank you.
[04:26] <BlueX> although sometimes things in kubuntu 9.10 won't kill simply because of bugs
[04:27] <shinchan_> isnt here chat like gtalk in kubuntu
[04:27] <BlueX> what network does gtalk use?
[04:27] <BlueX> I haven't heard of it
[04:28] <shinchan_> chat for windows
[04:28] <shinchan_> chat client
[04:28] <shinchan_> so any chat client in kubuntu
[04:28] <r00t__> Huh... system monitor isnt working either. i mean i coudl reboot but im going to keep trying to figure out a way aorund it
[04:29] <BlueX> hmm, log off and log in
[04:29] <BlueX> shinchan, you don't instant messaging, you mean chat rooms yes?
[04:30] <shinchan_> i have heard of empathy but cant install it
[04:30] <shinchan_> dont know why
[04:31] <shinchan_> i have kopete
[04:32] <BlueX> oh, use pidgin
[04:32] <shinchan_> kopete wont work
[04:32] <shinchan_> ?
[04:32] <BlueX> sure it will
[04:53] <Roasted_> whats up guys
[04:53] <Roasted_> Im on my kubuntu laptop. I have a kubuntu desktop here running samba. I know samba is working cuase I can hit it on my mac laptop, yet my kubuntu laptop cant see it. It previously worked, but now it doesnt. Any idea on what I could try? I also ran smbtree in terminal and nothing came back
[04:53] <Roasted_> the only thing that came back was the name of my kubuntu laptop, which I expected cause I have samba installed on this laptop
[04:55] <dequire> Roasted_: I'm having the same issue - let me know if you get it resolved.
[04:55] <Roasted_> dequire: sure thing man
[04:55] <Roasted_> it sucks cause I know it works fine
[04:55] <Roasted_> gota love samba though
[04:56] <dequire> Roasted_: In fact, Dolphin crashes when I try to connect from my laptop to my desktop, which apparently is a known bug...
[04:56] <Roasted_> what version of kde are you running
[04:56] <dequire> 4.3.2 on desktop and 4.2.4 on lappy
[04:56] <dequire> *4.3.4
[04:56] <Roasted_> which one crashes
[04:56] <Roasted_> oh
[04:56] <Roasted_> 4.3 is solid as a rock, imo
[04:56] <Roasted_> hard to believe theres a known bug like that
[04:56] <dequire> * 4.3.2 on desktop and 4.3.4 on lappy
[04:56] <Roasted_> what if you try konq?
[04:56] <dequire> lol
[04:57] <dequire> i will next. I'm really just trying to use Samba to play media on my laptop that is stored on the desktop
[04:57] <Roasted_> what if you set up NFS since youre going linux to linux?
[04:58] <Roasted_> most people say use NFS if at all possible, unless you NEED other OS support, only then does samba make more sense
[04:58] <dequire> Roasted_: I did that before and it worked. I just didn't like dropping to the CLI after every re-boot to connect.
[04:58] <dequire> Roasted_: though I could write a script I'm sure
[04:58] <Roasted_> cant you throw an NFS entry in fstab?
[04:59] <dequire> Roasted_: probably. didn't get that far since i installed Kubuntu 9.10 on the laptop. BTW I can get you the bug # if ya want.
[05:00] <Roasted_> I wonder if its something in regard to Kubuntu 9.10
[05:00] <Roasted_> I wonder if Kubuntu 9.04 would yield better results
[05:00] <Roasted_> 9.10 had quite a few problems :(
[05:01] <Roasted_> but even still youre on newer versions of KDE....
[05:03] <dequire> yea not sure. i don't appear to have the problem with Linux Mint KDE (9.04) but that's based on Ubuntu I believe
[05:03] <Roasted_> kubuntu is ubuntu
[05:03] <Roasted_> its just with kde
[05:03] <Roasted_> I dont see how itd be any different from mint to kubuntu
[05:03] <Roasted_> what Im questioning is 9.04 vs 9.10
[05:03] <dequire> Roasted_: right but I thought it might be worth differentiating for this one point
[05:04] <Roasted_> yeah, I understand
[05:04] <Roasted_> but the thing is, its the same underlying OS
[05:04] <Roasted_> kubuntu and ubuntu
[05:04] <dequire> yea that seems to be the likelyhood right there
[05:04] <Roasted_> just a different window manager
[05:04] <Roasted_> mint, tho based on *buntu, would be more different than kubuntu vs ubuntu
[05:04] <Roasted_> mint is a different OS all together despite being "related"
[05:05] <dequire> Roasted_: yepp. but i think you're likely right on the 9.04/9.10 being the likely problem here
[05:05] <Roasted_> its just a guess bro, but one I'd put a few dollars down on
[05:06] <Roasted_> Id be tempted to try a live cd of kubuntu 904 and see how it goes
[05:06] <dequire> I'm with ya. anyways simple networking lin - lin still needs refined.
[05:06] <Roasted_> it is refined, but the thing is, if youre going lin lin, who cares about samba?
[05:06] <Roasted_> samba was made for linux to windows networking, thats where it shines
[05:06] <Roasted_> lin lin with samba is iffy simply due to the fact most poeple use nfs for lin to lin
[05:07] <Roasted_> not saying its right, just saying how I view it
[05:07] <dequire> Roasted_: right, but many people use it because it's perceived to be "easier"
[05:07] <Roasted_> what easier?
[05:07] <Roasted_> samba?
[05:07] <Roasted_> everyone I talk to says that NFS is easier than samba
[05:07] <dequire> Roasted_: for some people, or it's all they know.
[05:07] <Roasted_> I havent used NFS so I cant offer an opinion
[05:07] <Roasted_> but everyone I talk to said to go with NFS, but I use mac and windows at home too, so I use samba
[05:08] <dequire> yea try it. it's a lot of fun *rolls eyes* lol
[05:08] <Roasted_> I heard its easy, but I have no clue
[05:08] <Roasted_> samba can be a royal pain in the rear
[05:08] <Roasted_> but theres a lot you can do with samba
[05:08] <Roasted_> thats one reason its confusing, is all of the different features and ways you can authenticate etc
[05:08] <Roasted_> PITA
[05:08] <Roasted_> but with trial and error I got my system working
[05:09] <dequire> yepp. my first excursion into Samba was years ago with my 1st Mythbuntu box
[05:09] <dequire> had a win server. got it to work but TBH it was all copy / paste CLI stuff so I learned nothing
[05:10] <dequire> and a lot of trial and error
[05:10] <Roasted_> yeah
[05:10] <Roasted_> I use samba with my windows boxes, they back up to it at 3 am every day
[05:10] <Roasted_> plus I have my home directory shared with samba
[05:11] <dequire> the thing about Samba and NFS that hangs people up IMO is the Client / Server nomenclature and Win ppl think in simple Peer-to-Peer
[05:11] <dequire> that's cool! I'm not 100% windows-free, though I do keep an XP disk and license if needed
[05:12] <dequire> *now
[05:12] <Roasted_> I dual boot, but only for games
[05:12] <Roasted_> other than that Im windows free. Its family members who run xp yet
[05:12] <Roasted_> though theyre asking me to run their rigs dual boot too, that may be my next project
[05:14] <dequire> heh.. incrimentalism is a good thing. then one day it will just hit them... :)
[05:14] <dsilvers> I need help with a KDE program
[05:14] <dsilvers> please
[05:14] <dequire> i agree BTW 4.3 is stable and 4.4+ is just going to blow anything out there away
[05:15] <dequire> hi dsilvers - what is it?
[05:15] <dsilvers> k3b, I'm trying to burn a video DVD that will work on a regular DVD player
[05:16] <dsilvers> I'm currently running Ubuntu 9.04 if that helps
[05:17] <dequire> dsilvers: what is the issue? burned DVD's won't play on a regular one?
[05:17] <wee_> hi, i cant get my mic to work. i have tried to oppen up all channels in alsamixer and tried to change my input source with no luck. when i try to start pavumeter --record i just get "connection refused" my sound card is alc889a hd audio. (gigabyte ma790x-ud4 mother board) does anyone know how i can fix my problem ?
[05:18] <dsilvers> dequire: it won't even burn
[05:18] <dequire> dsilvers: did you try burning at the lowest speed possible (i.e. 4x)?
[05:19] <dsilvers> the program was recommended to me on another channel and I've never used it before
[05:21] <dsilvers> dequire
[05:21] <dsilvers> dequire: I'm not sure how to set that
[05:21] <dequire> dsilvers: not sure as I've never had a problem with it. But I have read elsewhere that if you are having problems, to set the bern speed as low as you can
[05:23] <dequire> dsilvers: when the "burn" dialogue box comes up there is a dropdown box to set the burn speed
[05:24] <dsilvers> dequire: I found it but no dice
[05:24] <dequire> wee_: I don't know as I have not tried a mic yet
[05:25] <dequire> dsilvers: What kind of media is it?
[05:25] <wee_> its strange, bc i can hear my mic through my headset. but for some reason it dosent seem that my input work on the system
[05:25] <dsilvers> dequire: MP4 videos
[05:27] <dequire> dsilvers: If you know the media file is good, and the blank DVD is good, I would ask on the #k3b channel.
[05:28] <dequire> dsilvers: I've had tons of probs personally with Brasero, but never had any with K3b
[05:30] <dsilvers> dequire: ok, these videos are hi-def does that make a difference? I'd really call myself an intermediate Linux user but I've never burned DVD's in it
[05:31] <dsilvers> what the?
[05:31] <dequire> dsilvers: if the mpg4 is encrypted it won't copy
[05:33] <dsilvers> dequire: I just pulled it off of my Flip, do you know how I unencrypt them? also I have a message that files will only be accessible it mounted with UDF
[05:34] <dequire> dsilvers: sorry I'm not sure. try this guide though it might help:
[05:34] <dequire> dsilvers: http://www.my-guides.net/en/index2.php?option=com_content&do_pdf=1&id=77
[05:36] <dsilvers> dequire: thanks for your help, my friend who normally helps me is not talking to me
[05:36] <dequire> dsilvers: no problem
[05:39] <wee_> is there anyone that can hlp me with my mic problem ?
[05:51] <yang_> Hey, I compiled my own kernal and wish to delete it. Is there anythign specially i should do ? or just delete the /boot/vmlinux... image?
[05:51] <Guest17945> wer
[05:52] <Guest17945> ??
[05:57] <yang_> anybody?
[06:07] <phillip> Hi all
[06:08] <Hoppi> yo phillip :)
[06:25] <ved> guys needed a lil help
[06:26] <ved> something happened after karmic update... getting only console login
[06:27] <contrast> ved: !paste the contents of /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:27] <contrast> !paste
[06:28] <ved> sorry i formatted d drive.. running live now
[06:29] <contrast> ved: Ohh... So you're just gonna reinstall, I take it?
[06:29] <contrast> ved: Or was there a question I missed? :)
[06:29] <ved> yea.. but i dont want to run into this again
[06:30] <ved> any suggestions to avoid it?
[06:30] <contrast> ved: Kinda tough to troubleshoot without any of the information that would've been found on the formatted drive. ;)
[06:31] <contrast> ved: Running "sudo mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.bkup" will reset X to its default settings, which should allow you to get back to the GUI...
[06:32] <contrast> ved: Had you installed a proprietary driver for your graphics card via an installer downloaded from the card manufacturer's website, instead of doing so via Kickoff -> Applications -> System -> Hardware Drivers?
[06:33] <ved> yea i shall do that if i come accross d prob again
[06:33] <ved> no i'd enabled it in hardware drivers... but this problem occurred when i updates xorg n related display stuff
[06:34] <contrast> ved: Using any third-party repositories?
[06:34] <ved> no all ubuntu...
[06:35] <contrast> Odd... Sorry, not sure what to tell ya'. : \
[06:36] <contrast> ved: What driver were you using?
[06:39] <ved> nvidia 185... i guess not many people have had this prob...
[06:39] <ved> tried googling it.. not much there... anyway thanks contrast :)
[06:40] <contrast> ved: What card do you have?
[06:42] <ved> nvidia 6100 n series,, built in gigabyte motherboard
[06:43] <contrast> ved: Do you know if that's supported by the 190 driver?
[06:44] <ved> yea it is actually... but i didnt know how to install from the tarball... is it there in d repos?
[06:45] <contrast> ved: Well, it's in a PPA, which I wouldn't recommend enabling if you're having issues, but...
[06:46] <ved> yea i'll try reinstalling kubu... i hope it stays stable this time..
[06:47] <contrast> ved: You might download the drivers from here - https://launchpad.net/~nvidia-vdpau/+archive/ppa/+packages?field.name_filter=&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=karmic - and just keep them around to fall back on in case the 185 driver starts acting up again.
[06:48] <contrast> ved: You'll basically just want to download every .deb file for your architecture that has "nvidia" and "190" in its name, except those ending in -dev, and if the need arises, run "sudo dpkg -i <packages> || sudo apt-get install -f"
[06:51] <contrast> I've been using the 190 driver for ~3 months now with no issue with my 9800GT, so that's worth a shot, at least, if worse comes to worst.
[06:52] <ved> o then i wil surely try it...
[06:54] <contrast> Good luck.
[06:54] <hagabaka> does anyone else get the problem that plasma-desktop does not start when you login to KDE?
[06:55] <contrast> hagabaka: Yup. I presume you've added some Internet-related plasmoids and this is occuring when you don't have an active Internet connection?
[06:56] <hagabaka> no, I'm always connected to internet
[06:56] <hagabaka> but let me try removing some plasmoids
[06:57] <contrast> hagabaka: Wired or wireless?
[06:57] <hagabaka> wired
[06:57] <contrast> o_O
[06:57] <hagabaka> and it happens when I just log off and back too
[06:58] <contrast> That's new to me then. Sorry.
[06:58] <hagabaka> no problem
[06:58] <contrast> hagabaka: You might try hitting Alt+F2 -> konsole, then running "killall -9 plasma-desktop" followed by "plasma-desktop &" to see if that yields any useful output.
[07:00] <contrast> As beautiful as Plasma is in theory, it breaks my heart how fragile it is in practice lately. : \
[07:02] <contrast> hagabaka: If removing the suspected plasmoids doesn't work, you can always try running "mv ~/.kde/share/config/plasm* ~/.kde/share/apps/plasm* ~" - this will obviously reset Plasma to the defaults though.
[07:10] <Striking7> Hey all - I forget, how do I tell if I have 3D acceleration working?
[07:11] <Striking7> I installed 9.10 and it ran great, but then I tinkered with a few things and installed kubuntu-desktop, and kde runs really slow, I'm pretty sure I broke 3D accel.
[07:11] <Striking7> But I don't remember how to check.
[07:11] <contrast> Striking7: Alt+F2 -> "glxgears" I *think.* Been a while since I needed to do that.
[07:12] <Striking7> contrast - HAha, I'm in the same boat. I haven't had to mess much with 3D support since like... 2006
[07:12] <Striking7> It's tended to work since then.
[07:12] <Striking7> I thought of glxgears too.
[07:12] <contrast> That's not exactly the "proper" way - you kinda have to eyeball it to tell. I know there's a command that'll tell you in concrete terms, but I forget.
[07:13] <Striking7> Problem is it's been so long since I've seen it run I don't know if it runs ok because CPUs have gotten faster or if it runs ok because I have proper 3D
[07:13] <Striking7> I tried running glxinfo, but I forgot what to look for in there.
[07:14] <contrast> "direct rendering" maybe?
[07:14] <Striking7> I grepped for drm, dri, etc and they didn't show up
[07:14] <Striking7> I'll try grepping for "direct" - good call contrast
[07:15] <Striking7> Oooh!
[07:15] <Striking7> Thanks contrast.
[07:15] <Striking7> direct rendering: Yes.
[07:15] <contrast> Striking7: They're not showing up here either, and I know it's working here. :)
[07:15] <Striking7> Bummer being that means I don't know how to make KDE not be super slow.
[07:15] <Striking7> I don't think it's actually taking advantage of the hardware.
[07:15] <contrast> Striking7: KDE is kinda vague. The window manager, desktop effects, plasma..?
[07:16] <Striking7> contrast: totally, I understand.  I just installed kubuntu-desktop and logged in - so pretty much everything.  The window manager itself is having issues because resizing windows is sluggish
[07:16] <Striking7> So kwin has to be partially to blame at least.
[07:16] <contrast> Striking7: ATI?
[07:16] <Striking7> Maybe using compiz instead would help
[07:17] <Striking7> Nope -nvidia.
[07:17] <Striking7> Geforce 8600GT
[07:17] <contrast> hrmm...
[07:17] <Striking7> Yeah, really.
[07:17] <Striking7> Kind of puzzling.
[07:17] <contrast> So everything was fine under GNOME?
[07:17] <Striking7> I'd like to give KDE a shot "as is", pre-configured so I know if there are bugs it's not my own fiddling.
[07:18] <Striking7> Yeah, everything was ok under Gnome
[07:18] <Striking7> BUT - it may not be now
[07:18] <contrast> (i.e., Compiz running acceptably well, etc.)
[07:18] <Striking7> I tinkered with a bunch of stuff.
[07:18] <Striking7> ... while drinking.
[07:18] <Striking7>  :-)
[07:18] <contrast> lol
[07:18] <contrast> Never a good idea. :P
[07:18] <Striking7> Haha. Agreed.
[07:18] <Striking7> So yeah, I haven't tested if Gnome runs acceptibly.
[07:18] <contrast> Let's make sure KDE's actually using OpenGL...
[07:18] <Striking7> But at least I know it isn't broken 3D support.
[07:19] <Striking7> Ooh, if you know how to do that, sweet.
[07:19] <contrast> Striking7: Alt+F2 -> Desktop Effects -> Advanced tab
[07:19] <contrast> Striking7: What do you see for Compositing type?
[07:19] <Striking7> Man the alt+f2 looks a lot nicer in kde4...
[07:20] <Striking7> Bah! it says OpenGL for compositing type
[07:20] <contrast> And OpenGL mode?
[07:20] <Striking7> Texture from pixmap
[07:20] <contrast> : \
[07:20] <contrast> Striking7: Try running "compiz --replace"
[07:21] <Striking7> Sorry, brb - chicken just got done. 3 mins
[07:21] <contrast> np
[07:23] <hagabaka> contrast: I found out from ~/.xsession-error that the problem was the my ~/.config/autostart/plasma-desktop.desktop had no Exec entry. I overwrote it with a copy of /usr/share/autostart/plasma-desktop.desktop, and now the panel starts correctly
[07:23] <wee> hi, i have an output sound problem. i was using alsa before and it worked fine, but my mic dident work. then i made playback/recording with pulse pri1 in all the sub dirs under multimedia. but now i cant get any output sound, but my mic(input sound) strted to work.  does anyone know how i can make output sound to wrk with pulse ?
[07:23] <Striking7> back
[07:24] <contrast> hagabaka: ^_^ Interesting find. I'll keep that in mind next time mine starts acting up; thanks.
[07:25] <Striking7> Oh that is WEIRD
[07:25] <contrast> Striking7: What are your specs? KWin is still a bit more demanding than Compiz, and it really shows on older hardware.
[07:25] <Striking7> This is a Macbook pro circa 2007
[07:26] <contrast> Striking7: That doesn't really tell me anything. :)
[07:26] <Striking7> So Core 2 duo 2.4 ghz, 3 gigs ram, 8600GT with 256 MB
[07:26] <Striking7> Haha, hey I was typing... :-p
[07:26] <contrast> You Apple guys sure love to plug that you use Macs. :P
[07:26] <contrast> ohh ok. hehe, sorry
[07:26] <Striking7> Haha, I'm actually not an apple guy really.
[07:27] <Striking7> First thing I did when I got it was slap Ubuntu on it. I make Apple guys cry.
[07:27] <Striking7> Huh... but ok this is a strange bug.
[07:27] <contrast> Nice. >=)
[07:27] <Striking7> Check this out
[07:27] <Striking7> When I resize windows (biggest performance problem I was having with kwin) ...
[07:27] <Striking7> I can't shrink them horizontally now.
[07:27] <Striking7> I can expand them, and I can both expand and shrink vertically
[07:28] <Striking7> But when I use alt+middle click OR click-drag the lower right corner, I can't shrink the window.
[07:28] <Striking7> That's a really strange bug.
[07:28] <contrast> I believe I came across that one a time or two, but it was very intermittant.
[07:29] <Striking7> Seems so specific you'd think it was intentional.
[07:29] <Striking7> (obviously it's not)
[07:29] <contrast> Striking7: Honestly, if Compiz is still running fine, given you've got it installed anyway, I'd recommend it over KWin. Only time I use KWin is on ATI systems where compositing isn't worth the trouble.
[07:30] <Striking7> contrast: Yeah, makes sense, we'll see if compiz runs any faster - I'm not sure if it is yet or not.
[07:30] <hagabaka> the "network" system monitor plasmoid in 4.4 is very wide, and there's no way to make it just a square :/
[07:31] <Striking7> contrast: My first Ubuntu install was Breezy (5.10) on a system with an ATI mobility 200M - I was scared away from ATI after that :-)
[07:31] <Striking7> I'd consider going back now that AMD opened up a lot of their specs.
[07:32] <Striking7> Huh. Seems the horizontal resizing bug may be Amarok-specific.
[07:32] <contrast> Striking7: Don't. :-|
[07:32] <Striking7> Still that bad, eh?
[07:33] <contrast> Striking7: I had that exact same idea ~a year ago. Just trashed the laptop a few weeks ago to cash in on the replacement warranty.
[07:34] <Striking7> Sigh. I forgot how poorly the KDE desktop pager widgets work with compiz.
[07:34] <Striking7> Wow, that bad? dayum.
[07:34] <contrast> Striking7: -_~
[07:34] <Striking7> Even with the crappy Xpress 200M compiz still ran alright -- it just took a long time to get it working.
[07:35] <contrast> Works perfectly here.
[07:36] <Striking7> For some reason the KDE desktop pagers don't interact well with compiz's desktops for me.
[07:36] <Striking7> Like, they report an incorrect number of desktops, and the ones they report don't actually coincide with compiz's.
[07:36] <contrast> Striking7: How so, exactly? Since ~KDE4.1, it's worked without issue for me.
[07:37] <contrast> Striking7: Are you using the GConf configuration backend?
[07:37] <Striking7> Hmm. Well when I started compiz it went to the default of 2 desktops, but the pager reports just one.
[07:37] <Striking7> contrast: likely. Should I jump into CCSM and change that?
[07:37] <contrast> Striking7: Try changing any of the pager's settings and see if it fixes itself.
[07:38] <contrast> Striking7: Well, you can, but IIRC, you'll lose all your settings.
[07:38] <contrast> I always use flat-file.
[07:38] <Striking7> Yeah, well it probably isn't using gconf since I already set my desktops to 4 in gnome.
[07:38] <Striking7> so if it went back to 2 it probably switched backends.
[07:39] <contrast> true
[07:41] <Striking7> Sad. Yeah, pager isn't working right, but it may be because I'm dual-head too.
[07:41] <Striking7> The pager shows my 2 displays the way you'd expect different desktops to display
[07:42] <sysop2> is there a graphical lvm utility for kubuntu?
[07:42] <sysop2> or kde in general?
[07:44] <Striking7> contrast: thanks for the help - I'm headed off to bed.
[07:45] <contrast> blarg
[07:47] <contrast> A couple ieee processes owned by root went to town on my CPU when I plugged in my ethernet cord, and refused to die even for signal 9. o_O
[07:48] <wee> hi, i have an output sound problem. i was using alsa before and it worked fine, but my mic dident work. then i made playback/recording with pulse pri1 in all the sub dirs under multimedia. but now i cant get any output sound, but my mic(input sound) started to work.  does anyone know how i can make output sound to work with pulse ?
[07:48] <wee> im using latest version of kubuntu
[07:49] <dihae> hello all
[07:49] <contrast> wee: Do you have the pulseaudio package installed?
[07:50] <contrast> !hi dihae
[07:50] <wee> contrast: im not sure tbh. dosent kubuntu have those as defoult ?
[07:52] <wee> contrast: i have the pulse volume control and sound server pref
[07:52] <dihae> since kde 4.4 beta 1 (yeah, living on the edge) it complains about not being able to use the virtuoso rdf nepomuk backend. Does kubuntu include this package, which means it is a bug in kde, or is virtuoso just not available
[07:52] <contrast> wee: Nope, it's not installed by default.
[07:53] <wee> contrast: ohh, do you know the name of the package ?
[07:54] <contrast> dihae: Good question. I'd try running "apt-cache search virtuoso" to find out (I'd do it, but I don't have that repo enabled).
[07:54] <contrast> wee: pulseaudio ;)
[07:54] <wee> contrast: hehe sry for my questions, this sound stuff is getting so confusing =)
[07:56] <dihae> contrast: I did that earlier, and it returns nothing at all
[07:56] <contrast> wee: No prob. :)
[07:56] <wee> contrast: i allrady had that package
[07:56] <contrast> wee: Do you get any notifications when you click Test for the Pulse Audio device in the Multimedia settings dialog?
[07:57] <contrast> dihae: Might be a question for the guys over in #kde. Sorry. : \
[07:57] <contrast> ::hand-mouth:: s/guys/people/
[07:57] <wee> contrast: no error, but no sound either
[07:58] <dihae> no prob, I was'nt using nepomuk anyways
[07:58] <contrast> dihae: Heh, same here... I keep wanting to, but I can never seem to get it working properly. haha
[07:58] <contrast> wee: Open up KMix and check all the volumes?
[07:59] <dihae> wee: you should probably max out the PCM channel
[07:59] <contrast> wee: I've had certain devices mysteriously get muted from time to time. Seems to happen more often with Pulse.
[07:59] <contrast> !
[07:59] <contrast> PCM at max sounds like shit on 99% of systems. Good practice to turn it down a notch or three from max. :)
[07:59] <dihae> that does the trick for most people (if I understand the problem correctly)
[08:00] <wee> non of the channels are mutet
[08:00] <dihae> as long as it's open ;) I'm on a portable anyway, so it already sounds like shit :)
[08:00] <wee> and pcm is maxed
[08:01] <contrast> lolz
[08:02] <wee> so far i have tried to pri1 the folowing in multimedia sub dirs: playback/recording through pulse (with just pulse as last and number 2) and pulse as pri 1
[08:03] <wee> non working so far
[08:04] <contrast> wee: Have you tried the GStreamer backend?
[08:05] <contrast> wee: (You may need to install phonon-backend-gstreamer.) Also, have a look and make sure all of these packages are installed: gstreamer0.10-pulseaudio libasound2-plugins libpulse-browse0 pulseaudio pulseaudio-esound-compat pulseaudio-module-udev pulseaudio-module-x11 pulseaudio-utils
[08:05] <contrast> wee: Which application were you trying to record with that ALSA wasn't working for?
[08:05] <wee> contrast: with alsa i tried a terminal one and mumble
[08:06] <wee> contrast: i will try to install all packages that u listed now
[08:08] <contrast> wee: Are you just trying to record audio via a mic?
[08:09] <wee> contrast: i get response with my mic in pulse
[08:09] <wee> its just in alsa my mic dont work
[08:09] <wee> but i dont get any output sound in pulse
[08:10] <contrast> wee: Right. But what are you trying to _do_? :)
[08:10] <wee> contrast: get output sound =) so i can listen to music, hear other ppl on mumble etc
[08:11] <contrast> I ask because you may be better off fixing ALSA than Pulse, as Pulse has horrible latency for certain things.
[08:11] <contrast> wee: Ok... Did you have those packages installed?
[08:12] <wee> contrast: yes got all
[08:12] <wee> contrast: im trying to install the backend now
[08:13] <wee> should i do a restart or pulse server restart ?
[08:14] <contrast> wee: I would just quit System Settings, start it back up, prefer the GStreamer backend, Apply, and Test.
[08:15] <contrast> wee: Sorry, but it's kinda hard for me to walk you through this since I'm not using Pulse, and I usually avoid it like the plague.
[08:16] <contrast> wee: Do you have mplayer installed?
[08:16] <wee> contrast: will vlc do the work ?
[08:16] <contrast> wee: That's generally what I use as a fail-proof test for whether audio output is working.
[08:17] <wee> contrast: okay i wil install mplayer
[08:17] <contrast> wee: Get mplayer-nogui
[08:17] <contrast> wee: And afterwards, just run "mplayer /path/to/file"
[08:18] <contrast> Even if that gives no sound, it may spit some useful errors out.
[08:19] <contrast> wee: By the way, is this on a laptop or desktop?
[08:19] <wee> contrast: its desktop
[08:20] <wee> contrast: shouldent mplayer be under home as .mplayer or something ?
[08:20] <contrast> wee: And you're certain there's only one microphone hooked up, no webcam, etc?
[08:21] <wee> contrast: yes, its only this mic connected
[08:21] <contrast> wee: If you've changed any of its settings or run its gui, yeah.
[08:22] <contrast> wee: So mplayer is installed now, yes?
[08:22] <wee> contrast: yes its installed what command should i use behinde mplayer ?
[08:23] <contrast> mplayer /path/to/whatever/file
[08:23] <contrast> let it play for a few seconds, then hit q to quit, and pastebin the full output of mplayer.
[08:25] <wee> Starting playback...
[08:25] <wee> A:  17.7 (17.7) of 229.0 (03:49.0)  0.8%
[08:25] <wee> Exiting... (Quit)
[08:25] <wee> wee@wee-desktop:~$ tarting playback...
[08:25] <wee> tarting: command not found
[08:25] <FloodBotK1> wee: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[08:25] <wee> wee@wee-desktop:~$ A:  17.7 (17.7) of 229.0 (03:49.0)  0.8%
[08:26] <anirudh> any python programers here?
[08:26] <BlueX> ghostcube, if I am having stability problems with 9.10 do you think 9.04 would probably be better?
[08:26] <ghostcube> uffz good question
[08:26] <ghostcube> depends on grafic card
[08:27] <ghostcube> mobo
[08:27] <contrast> wee: Sorry, that was kind of my last idea. : \
[08:27] <ghostcube> and the rest
[08:27] <FloodBotK1> ghostcube: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[08:27] <ghostcube> :D
[08:27] <ghostcube> woha i just woke up FloodBotK dont drive me nuts :D
[08:27] <BlueX> is kde 4.3 just buggy or what
[08:27] <ghostcube> nope normally not
[08:28] <ghostcube> karmic is a bit buggy what version of kde 4.3.2 .3 or .4
[08:28] <ghostcube> i think karmic has 4.3.3 by default or ?
[08:28] <BlueX> 4.3.4
[08:28] <ghostcube> hmm ok
[08:28] <ghostcube> what are the stbility issues
[08:28] <wee> contrast: okay, thank your mery much for your time =)
[08:28] <BlueX> wireless disconnects from internet randomly or freezes
[08:28] <contrast> erm, 4.3.4 isn't in karmic by default. that's only in a ppa, i thought?
[08:29] <contrast> wee: np. good luck.
[08:29] <wee> rt
[08:29] <wee> ty
[08:29] <ghostcube> hi Quintasan :)
[08:29] <contrast> meh, i'm off to bed. g'nite, y'all.
[08:29] <Quintasan> ghostcube: hiho
[08:30] <ghostcube> its much too early to work or ?
[08:30] <paul_____> wow did i just find a chat for linux...??
[08:30] <BlueX> sigh
[08:30] <BlueX> had bugs
[08:30] <BlueX> [00:30] --NickServ-- This nickname is registered. Please choose a different nickname, or identify via /msg NickServ identify <password>.
[08:30] <BlueX> [00:30] ->> 71.204.140.208 resolved to 71.204.140.208
[08:30] <FloodBotK1> BlueX: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[08:30] <BlueX> whoops
[08:31] <BlueX> anyway, I was saying that even the default version of kde that came with 9.10 was buggy
[08:31] <BlueX> and my internet freezes randomly and I didn't have this problem in an older version
[08:31] <ghostcube> BlueX: you run knetworkmanager ?
[08:31] <BlueX> yes
[08:32] <paul_____> i love my linux i wish it could read my mind and do what i want............
[08:32] <ghostcube> hmm, ok i know its not the default way to do this but try wicd as knetworkmanager makes pure trouble for most in karmic
[08:32] <ghostcube> and before
[08:32] <ghostcube> paul_____: tahts called bionical interface just invent one pls
[08:32] <ghostcube> :P
[08:32] <BlueX> ok well, how do I put wicd on a flash drive cause I currently have no internet in kubuntu
[08:33] <BlueX> or how do I install the package if I can't connect to the internet
[08:33] <TeLLuS> BlueX: What wireless manufacturer, model and driver version. Linux version uname -a ?
[08:33] <ghostcube> any chance getting to an cable and then into web
[08:33] <BlueX> cause I tried to install wicd and it said I had to uninstall knetworkmanager first
[08:33] <ghostcube> cause cable works in knetworkmanager
[08:33] <ghostcube> BlueX: thats normal
[08:33] <ghostcube> they cant coexist
[08:33] <BlueX> yes but I removed knetworkmanager
[08:33] <BlueX> and I dont have wicd either
[08:33] <ghostcube> no prob just edit the interfaces manually
[08:33] <ghostcube> man interfaces
[08:33] <ghostcube> use the default single ip settings
[08:34] <BlueX> I don't know how to do that
[08:34] <ghostcube> hmmm
[08:34] <BlueX> how to get the packages on there without internet
[08:34] <paul_____> whats the trick to get the cube to work on open suse...?////
[08:34] <ghostcube> any chance you have a dvd ?
[08:34] <BlueX> yes
[08:34] <ghostcube> paul_____: ask in opensus ?
[08:34] <ghostcube> e
[08:35] <BlueX> I have the dvd
[08:35] <ghostcube> BlueX: must check if the packages are on the dvd moment
[08:35] <paul_____> ahhh right you are..........
[08:35] <ghostcube> paul_____: or just in #compiz
[08:36] <paul_____> my kubuntu seems to be locked up and i cant add any packages.....
[08:36] <BlueX> heh
[08:36] <ghostcube> sudo apt-get -f install
[08:37] <paul_____> well its not locked up it runs fine ... just my add package part seems to be locked up
[08:37] <ghostcube> if it tells you there is another process its daily update by cron
[08:37] <BlueX> ghostcube:me
[08:37] <BlueX> ?
[08:37] <ghostcube> nah paul_____ heh
[08:37] <paul_____> which is probably goo because i cant mess anything up that way,,,,lol
[08:37] <BlueX> I know knetwork manager is on the dvd, but how do I install it from there?
[08:37] <echotone> I run a NVIDIA geforce 9500gt. Does anybody know why after a reboot my computer looks great but then after maybe 10 minutes (sometimes more/less) it looks like an old tv with bad reception? The windows freeze, my mouse freezes, it resets my desktop effects its fuzzy all over. and a dialog box pops up to tell me that the screen is not composited. please restart compize...etc
[08:38] <ghostcube> BlueX: add the dvd to the sources list
[08:38] <BlueX> hmm
[08:38] <BlueX> btw I have an atheros wifi card
[08:38] <BlueX> ar5009
[08:38] <BlueX> requires ath9k
[08:39] <ghostcube> yeah but this is made by your kernel
[08:39] <ghostcube> just use synaptic to manage the software sources would be the fastest way i think so
[08:39] <BlueX> wicd might solve the disconnects?
[08:39] <ghostcube> yep
[08:39] <BlueX> well, I have kpackagekit
[08:39] <paul_____> echotone are you using a soyo board
[08:40] <echotone> Paul___: I run an xpc.
[08:40] <paul_____> i had some capacators swell from heating that acted kinda like that
[08:41] <echotone> my machine, while small, has 5 fans in it. and i have a mini desk fan pointed in it sometimes also.
[08:41] <echotone> idk if it can overheat.
[08:41] <echotone> is there a way to check?
[08:42] <paul_____> you can look at them and see if they are swelled
[08:42] <paul_____> on my board i will say
[08:42] <echotone> oh they litterally swelled.
[08:43] <paul_____> yes
[08:43] <paul_____> the top bulges up a little
[08:43] <echotone> that would be a bummer because i cant replace my board on an xpc. i need to buy a new case
[08:43] <paul_____> they can replace just the capacators for $35 at frys.........
[08:44] <echotone> thats good to know. i used to work there.
[08:44] <paul_____> lol
[08:50] <paul_____> i guess this should be self explanatory but my kubuntu says when i try to find a package ...."there are broken dependincies in you  r  system pleasue  use advance package manager e.g. synaptic or aptitude to resolve this situation"   is there an easy way to do this??????/
[08:50] <llutz> paul_____: sudo aptitude -f install
[08:51] <paul_____> thank you  ill go try that
[08:55] <paul_____> ok where should i do that...............
[08:57] <lukefeil> hi
[08:57] <lukefeil> i need a small toll that give me a beep or something like that every 5 seconds
[08:57] <lukefeil> *tool
[08:57] <lukefeil> is there one in the repos
[08:57] <lukefeil> ?
[08:58] <sysop2> you can do that with a shell script
[08:58] <sysop2> you want a console beep or to play a mp3?
[08:59] <lukefeil> a beep is enought
[08:59] <sysop2> hold on.
[08:59] <paul_____> i should be in some kind of beginers room.... i really know so little about programing....
[09:01] <paul_____> i came home recovering from a bad bike wreck and my dad moved out and left me in an empty house with a computor that has linux on it and sys here learn this... i think it was either a cruel joke or an experiment...........
[09:02] <sysop2> while :; do echo $'\a'; sleep 30; done
[09:02] <sysop2> sorry
[09:02] <sysop2> while :; do echo $'\a'; sleep 5; done
[09:02] <paul_____> so all i kept hearing was dont worry its a steep  learning curve youll get there........
[09:03] <paul_____> all the books i keep finding look like they are written in a forien language
[09:03] <sysop2> just change the number after sleep for the number of seconds.
[09:03] <sysop2> whole numbers only.
[09:04] <paul_____> so i got this box that has three hard drives that i switch through when i lock them up and a terribyte home base
[09:04] <paul_____> yeah i know yall think this is funny i laugh about it too now............
[09:07] <sysop2> did that work for you?
[09:08] <paul_____> so i  got it running a multiboot with ubuntu gnome// kubuntu kde4,// opensuse, gnome,, kde4//and then amongst them all i use multi browsers to make tinks work you should see my suse running konkeror,seamonkey,chrome,firefox,epephony,and opera
[09:09] <paul_____> i really like the opera that is why im in the kubuntu room i hate the default konkeror and i want to get the opera on her
[09:10] <paul_____> i would gladly quit suse if i could get opera on her
[09:10] <paul_____> i just cant get the dag gone package thing to unlock..............
[09:10] <dihae> paul_____: there's always binary packages of opera
[09:11] <wee> hi, i have som problems gettin pulse auido to give output sound. for some reason the only program i can get sound from on my pc is wine (set to use oss driver) all other programs (music players, firefox etc woundt work) tried to make all sub dirs in multimedia to use playback/recording through pulse audio as pri one. checked that i have all pulseaudio packages. tried the gstream backend. checked for muted channels in alsamixer/kmix. for some
[09:11] <wee>  reason i cant play movies anymore when i switch to pulse audio. im using alc889a hd audio onboard sound. latest kubuntu release
[09:11] <dihae> which have a some sort'a installer
[09:11] <paul_____> do i go through the terminal and load those or something............
[09:11] <dihae> wee why are you using pulseaudio in the first place
[09:12] <paul_____> you got to forgive me im a total moron on how to do this stuff......
[09:12] <wee> dihae: my mic works, and i couldent get it to work in alsa
[09:13] <paul_____> but even so frustrated about this i dont think that i would ever go back to windows.......
[09:13] <dihae> paul_____: just go to the opera website: they have packages for every major distro in fact
[09:13] <paul_____> ahhhhhhhhh genius idea why didnt i think of that
[09:13] <dihae> look for 'suse', not opensuse
[09:14] <IRC-Client2> hello
[09:14] <student`> hey
[09:14] <dihae> paul_____: btw, if you'd like to learn how to program, just creating something
[09:15] <dihae> just think of an application you miss and start creating it, with an easy to learn language like java
[09:16] <wee> dihae: is pulseaudio only bad ?
[09:16] <paul_____> ahhhhhhhhhhh   1 min 23 sec to opera............. bless you!!!
[09:16] <dihae> wee: dunno if it's really bad,  it's just that it doesn't seem to work nicely with kde
[09:17] <Goliath> which is the easiest firewall i can use for linux? firestarter/ipkungfu/guarddog/other ?
[09:17] <paul_____> ahhh i miss my kubuntu with the 3D cube     ive been stuck settling with suse too long
[09:18] <wee> dihae: tbh. i started out trying to get my mic work with alsa. i ended up with a working mic, trying to get my output sound work in pulseaudio :S
[09:18] <dihae> wee: kinda strange your mic doesn't work out of the box
[09:19] <wee> dihae: just had that problem on this pc. all others have worked fine tbh
[09:20] <paul_____> hmmm it gave me a binary file that looks like this �}yW�H�m�[���>]�C����e�m��d�x3�&V[`[ƒ����7$Ci�������A�	i#]E����!Kk����[�
[09:20] <paul_____> -������������P�a�ϣ������~�m�rT��n�eŲ�������Z���aO6�U�?�|��ӈG_�_�������������F��z6�#ِƬ�V�l<Ҷv:�O*�zVj���q���^���r=J�E�
[09:20] <paul_____> ~��g�i6���AQ?�H�"�+[��â>�٪�i��iѭ][ټ�g��>����Q� what should i do with that
[09:20] <FloodBotK1> paul_____: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[09:20] <wee> dihae: my first "hd" onboard sound card though
[09:20] <dihae> paul_____: not paste it in this channel, that's for sure
[09:21] <jtheuer> yeah...
[09:21] <paul_____> yeah i see that now sorry im new to this
[09:21] <jtheuer> do we look like matrix guys?
[09:22] <dihae> paul_____: what extension has that file
[09:22] <dihae> wee: I can't really help with that I guess, and I probably should return to work as well, haha
[09:23] <paul_____> ahhh yall seem like matrix guys .. forgive my excitedness you must understand i live in this world where i have no linux friends .....i  felt really lucky when nixie answered an email off you tube
[09:24] <wee> dihae: hehe =) i understand. but just quick what sould i do ? skip pulse audio and try alsa again ? i upgraded from the previus version on kubuntu btw, dont know if thats the reason my mic is screwed ?
[09:25] <dihae> dunno really, I never used pulseaudio myself, but then again, I've never used my mic either...
[09:26] <dihae> wee: usually the mic works out of the box without pulse though
[09:26] <dihae> paul_____: the opera filename, what does it look like?
[09:27] <wee> dihae: okay, i will try alsa again then. have a nice day at work =)
[09:27] <paul_____> not sure what that means but hold a sec i found a diferent option trying a second download ,, one thing i have learned about linux is persistance helps.........
[09:28] <dihae> paul_____: you are on suse, right?
[09:28] <paul_____> no kubuntu
[09:28] <paul_____> i already  have opera on my suse
[09:29] <paul_____> but i would rather play on my kubuntu
[09:29] <EvaLuaTe> hello
[09:30] <EvaLuaTe> when trying to 'make' a kde module (more specifically tags/KDE/4.3.3/kdebase/workspace/plasma/applets/digital-clock/ ) I get the following error: /home/cristi/devel/digital-clock/clock.h:24:24: error: QtCore/QTime: No such file or directory amongst a couple of other errors of the same type. I'm using Kubuntu 9.10 btw. Any idea how I could solve this?
[09:31] <dihae> ok, paul, this is the easy way :
[09:31] <dihae> open kpackagekit
[09:31] <paul_____> where do i type that
[09:32] <paul_____> console
[09:32] <dihae> just open the start menu and look for 'system settings'
[09:33] <dihae> EvaLuaTe: did you install the kdebase-workspace-dev package?
[09:34] <EvaLuaTe> dihae: yes, it's installed
[09:34] <dihae> paul_____: did you find the system settings dialog
[09:35] <paul_____> yes but that has stuff like  look and feel and stuff
[09:35] <dihae> EvaLuaTe: in that case, I won't know actually
[09:36] <EvaLuaTe> dihae: also, I know where those QtCore and the other required files are, I have found them on my system, the problem is though that make doesn't seem to be able to find them, and I don't how how to tell it where to look for them. I'm guessing I have to set a env variable or pass make some arguments, but I wasn't able to find anything relevant on neither the kde site nor using google
[09:36] <paul_____> am i looking in advanced settings
[09:36] <dihae> paul_____: true, look for 'add and remove software' somewhere at the bottom
[09:36] <paul_____> yeah that part is locked on me that was my original problem
[09:37] <paul_____> it says broken dependincies
[09:37] <dihae> EvaLuaTe: have a look at this: http://milianw.de/blog/building-kdevplatform-kdevelop-and-the-php-plugin-from-svn
[09:37] <paul_____> then it calls me a moron.......
[09:38] <paul_____> sends an electric shock through the keyboard..........lol
[09:38] <dihae> paul_____: open konsole and type: sudo aptitude -f install
[09:39] <paul_____> i tried that
[09:39] <dihae> and?
[09:40] <dihae> EvaLuaTe: I think the 'setting up your environment' might be useful
[09:40] <EvaLuaTe> dihae: I'm looking through it right now. :)
[09:41] <dihae> paul_____: I'm off to work now
[09:41] <paul_____> wait maby i didnt try that in konsole i tried that in terminal is that the same?
[09:42] <dihae> you should first try to fix your dependency problems, and then add this: deb http://deb.opera.com/opera/ stable non-free to your sources.list
[09:42] <dihae> paul_____: konsole is basically the same as terminal, both are terminal emulators, just like google and yahoo are both search engines
[09:43] <paul_____> dihea i thank you though i kinda know what im looking for i think you gave me the  same answer as another so i will be persistant on thatt avenue........
[09:44] <dihae> paul_____: I'm off now, you'll probably find some answers on the net on how to fix those dependency problems
[09:44] <dihae> once you have done that, you should append this line: (deb http://deb.opera.com/opera/ stable non-free), everything between the (), to '/etc/apt/sources.list'
[09:45] <paul_____> thankyou
[09:45] <dihae> if you update after that, opera becomes available in the package manager, and can be installed like every other package
[09:47] <paul_____> ahhhhhhhhhhhh i think it worked i copied and pasted that in there and it says that it didnt like sun java..... and i remember that was what i loaded when it went bad......
[09:48] <paul_____> current status "0" broken yyyyeeeaahhhhh!!!!!!!!!!   look at that yall have withnessed the first time that i have used the terminal for anything...... now i know yall got to think thats funny.............
[09:51] <paul_____> ooooohhhhhhhhh  yeah i can get new packages now  yes yes yes im on my kubuntu agian yes !!!!! the linux cherry is broken now ive done something with terminal!!!!!
[10:19] <kriss3d> Dang. Having a problem with Wow.. I cant run the new patch .exe file it tells me it cant run the application for some reason.. its about as useful a message as the windows error messages
[10:21] <bullgard> [Karmic] K3b Version 1.68.0 > Help > "Error KDE Help Center; The file or folder help:/k3b/index.html does not exist." How to access the KDE User's Manual?
[10:23] <mUrshEd> hi
[10:23] <mUrshEd> i wan to need how to use KUBUNTU in a server
[10:40] <AlexanderSupertr> noob issue:
[10:40] <AlexanderSupertr> how do i rearrange order of widgets on default panel?
[10:45] <rork> AlexanderSupertr: right click the panel > Panel Options > Add widgets, hover a widget and you can move it
[10:46] <rork> AlexanderSupertr: right click the panel > Panel Options > Panel Settings, hover a widget and you can move it
[10:46] <bullgard> [Karmic] K3b Version 1.68.0 > Help > "Error KDE Help Center; The file or folder help:/k3b/index.html does not exist." How to access the k3b User's Manual?
[10:48] <AlexanderSupertr> rork: thanks a lot.
[10:48] <rork> AlexanderSupertr: you're welcome
[10:50] <||arifaX> what is the difference between a gsm connection and a cdma connection in knetwork-manager? I want to use my umts-stick and I find it nice that it is supported without additional driver
[10:54] <AlexanderSupertr> ||arifaX: GSM and CDMA are two different mobile standards. Check which one is used by stick.. It depends on the mobile operator.
[10:55] <||arifaX> AlexanderSupertr: I see
[10:58] <AlexanderSupertr> Germany operates on GSM
[11:13] <steveire> I've just done sudo aptitude install libhibernate3-java{,-doc}. How do I read the docs now? Where are they?
[11:17] <rork> steveire: /usr/share/doc/libhibernate3-java-doc/index.html
[11:18] <AlexanderSupertr> steveire: it should be available in devhelp index i guess
[11:20] <steveire> Never heard of devhelp, but getting it now. Thanks.
[11:24] <AlexanderSupertr> steveire: type "devhelp" in terminal and hit enter.
[11:26] <steveire> AlexanderSupertr: Looks like a gtk version of khelpcenter
[11:27] <steveire> I don't know how to add the new docs to it, so I'll just use konqueror as sugested.
[11:27] <steveire> Thanks.
[11:34] <AlexanderSupertr> steveire: oh...it's native gnome thing. not very relevant in channel #kubuntu :)
[11:36] <dfx> hi all
[12:44] <Goliath>  i removed a package and this caused some additional things to be removed ( no needed dependancies i installed) but i dont know which one i actually need so i can reinstall it. take a look and tell me if any of those is need it standalone... .http://pastebin.com/m732b477d
[12:45] <Goliath> what of those where present in the original kubuntu installation?
[12:57] <SIGMAX_> Hi!
[12:58] <Goliath> ops!| SIGMAX_ BAN EVADE
[13:21] <DTsan> first i have a possibly dump question not entirely related to linux: can a telnet client be used to connect to IRC?
[13:21] <DTsan> dumb*
[13:26] <DTsan> my main concern is trying to install a program to wine. frst issue is getting the exe file to run. what's the terminal command for that?
[13:26] <Pici> wine yourprogram.exe
[13:27] <DTsan> ok thanks
[13:27] <DTsan> trying now
[13:29] <DTsan> ok, i need to remove and reinstall a program, but it's not letting me do it
[13:30] <DTsan> have alot of crap it won't let me remove actually, anyway to just flush it all out in one shot?
[13:31] <Pici> DTsan: What 'crap' are you referring to? Packages you've installed?
[13:32] <DTsan> wine programs i tried to run and either don't or my computer can't handle well
[13:33] <Pici> DTsan: I think that Wine might provide some sort of uninstall program, but to be sure you could always ask in #winehq , that is their official channel.
[13:33] <DTsan> ahh ok
[13:33] <DTsan> wne does have an unilstall program, but it's not working for the one program i need to get out
[13:33] <DTsan> will ask in there tho
[13:49] <DTsan> ack!
[13:59] <BluesKaj> howdy folks
[13:59] <DTsan> yo
[14:18] <wee> hi, where can i get the newest 64bit flash as .deb ? ihave tryed adobe, but i cant choose 64bit from their downloader
[14:21] <funcrush> what packages I need when i sync with iPhone???
[14:28] <tsimpson> !iphone
[14:32] <funcrush> tsimpson: thanks :)
[14:35] <tech404> I have a Dell E6400 Laptop and while most of the stuff worked out of the box I still need some help with a couple of things... First, when I have my laptop in the dock it is connected to 2 screens. It has a Nvidia card. I have the Nvidia driver installed from the repo but compositing only works in the built in display.
[14:41] <shadeslayer> anyone with working nepomuk in 4.4?
[14:48] <soee> hi
[14:48] <shadeslayer> soee: hey
[14:54] <zoso> Hi! I'm unable to get the prntscr button working
[14:55] <zoso> I have checked the setup in xhotkeys, the mapping seem to be correct
[14:55] <zoso> every time I need a screenshot, I have to manually start Kscreenshot from the k menu
[14:55] <zoso> This was never a problem in gnome
[14:56] <zoso> Does anybody have a clue?
[14:58] <FloodBotK2> !netsplit
[14:59] <||arifaX> how can I open "konsole" and let it then open an ssh session? in one command?
[15:04] <zoso> ||arifaX: have you tried ctrl+F2 and then type ssh <address> ?
[15:04] <||arifaX> zoso: I want to use an ssh wrapper in firefox and write my own script in between. I think I found it, it is konsole -e command
[15:05] <zoso> ||arifaX: OK :)
[15:08] <frybye> Hi - I have a problem with wrong flash player and or wrong nvidia driver for the flash player installed... would sombody walk me thru fixing this methodically. Just installing latest nvidia driver did not work - the latest ones do not like my new evga gt240 grafic card somehow...?
[15:09] <frybye> orry - I am in wrong # - forget it pse...
[15:11] <tyrnov> посоветуйте клиент irc а то чет все не удобные или по англ все хочется на русском
[15:13] <tyrnov> конверсион вроде не че но на англиском
[15:13] <re1n7> aww..
[15:14] <Pici> !ru
[15:14] <kalinux> bonjour il y a des français par ici ?
[15:14] <Pici> !fr | kalinux
[15:20] <yoyo> !couchdb
[15:27] <cH40zLord> is there any package available for the latest kubuntu that supports the ASUS EEE T91 touchscreen ?
[15:35] <bigbrovar__> hey guys am running kubuntu karmic and using the ayanata notification. however am unable to accept bluetooth request because ayanata doesnt allow clicking to accept, is there a way i can set it to use the knotify?
[15:39] <FloodBotK2> !netsplit
[15:48] <antlarr> hi
[15:48] <antlarr> anybody knows why is kdebase-workspace-dev 4.3.3 not in the repositories?
[15:49] <antlarr> (nor in ppa)
[15:51] <FloodBotK2> !netsplit
[15:56] <k4ever> hello
[16:01] <JuJuBee> Im using Jaunty still, how can I upgrade Amarrok to the newest release?
[16:08] <simo_> hello k-world
[16:08] <simo_> i wanna install a effect 3D to my desktop
[16:09] <simo_> any body help me ?
[16:11] <Nakkel> Installed 4.4b1 packages and having some problems with Kontact. > Cannot load part for Calendar. Could not find plugin 'korganizerpart' for application 'kontact'
[16:11] <Nakkel> Common or just me? :P
[16:11] <Nakkel> Tried to reinstall but doesnt change.
[16:15] <Daskreech> simo_: What effect?
[16:16] <BluesKaj> trying out quassell again , konversation kept dropping the server
[16:16] <mw> hello everybody. i just started strigi/nepomuk and they did the indexing. but, how do i search now? i cannot find a strigi client wicht should be preinstalled... using kubuntu karmic btw.
[16:17] <DaskreeCH> Nakkel: Not heard of it before
[16:17] <DaskreeCH> Lets see
[16:18] <DaskreeCH> BluesKaj: The servers are under attack. Possibly it's the server dropping?
[16:18] <DaskreeCH> mw: The Search in dolphin is a strigi search
[16:19] <mw> DaskreeCH: aaah ok thanks
[16:19] <DaskreeCH> Nakkel: I got TODO list cannot be loaded
[16:19] <DaskreeCH> apparently there is something going on there
[16:19] <DaskreeCH> Nakkel: Can You open korganizer by itself?
[16:21] <Nakkel> DaskreeCH: Yes, by itself it works.
[16:21] <mw> DaskreeCH: the dolphn search tells me it depends on slocate, wich has to be updated via updatedb. not a word about strigi. are you very sure with that?
[16:22] <DaskreeCH> Nakkel: OK thanks
[16:23] <DaskreeCH> mw: Ahmmm Wait I'm on KDE 4.4 sorry :)
[16:23] <DaskreeCH> Why won't they stop attacking Freenode?
[16:24] <BluesKaj> hmm, I like quassel a lot better now that it has some more configurable options
[16:24] <DaskreeCH> BluesKaj: Ha of course :)
[16:24] <mw> DaskreeCH: ok, kde 4.3 here. another weird thing: i wanted to install the package strigi-client. this also install strigi-daemon wich is NOT installed yet, but can be enabled in system settings o0 and, it did something, at least it told me that it did index the files
[16:24] <BluesKaj> DaskreeCH:  it was hopeless yesterday ...netsplits all morning
[16:24] <DaskreeCH> mw: ok in the URL bar for dolphin type in nepomuksearch:/
[16:25] <motown> if i want to update kde 4.3.4 > 4.4 do i need to remove backports ppa? or just added deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/beta/ubuntu karmic main ?
[16:26] <DaskreeCH> BluesKaj: They started the attacks again expect it all of today as well
[16:26] <mw> DaskreeCH: ok, that tells me recently used files. but that still is no search :P and, also, it is not very noob-friendly. i am using linux for years now and had to search :P
[16:26] <DaskreeCH> motown: You don't need to but it's probably wise to.
[16:26] <DaskreeCH> motown: KDE 4.4 is a beta so install it if you are willing to report bugs
[16:27] <DaskreeCH> When it's stable it will move to the backports repo
[16:27] <BluesKaj> DaskreeCH:  aha , that could be why I was dropped on the hubbard server
[16:30] <BluesKaj> mw:   http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.4-beta1.php
[16:30] <motown> DaskreeCH, ok, i only use my pc for openoffice, playing audio/video, browsing, and torrent so is it wise if i move to kde 4.4?
[16:30] <mw> BluesKaj: thanks, but i had enough trouble brining the stable kde4.3 to live on an older hp notebook. happy enough, dont want to upgrade now ;)
[16:31] <BluesKaj> mw:  cool , cuz 4.4 is still buggy , and it's worse on lucid :P
[16:32] <mw> yep. so i dont want to try it now ;)
[16:32] <BluesKaj> right, gotcha
[16:32] <mw> or, at least, not just because of strigi
[16:33] <mw> ok, gonne go to work now. will examine this later. thanks so far everybody
[16:34] <BluesKaj> well, time for my daily walk ...think I'll go over to the main post office and mail some local Christmas cards
[16:35] <DaskreeCH> Nepomuk is not for noobs currently
[16:36] <DaskreeCH> motown: as I said if you are willing to report bugs :)
[16:37] <BluesKaj> DaskreeCH:  how does one mark oneself away in quassel ?
[16:38]  * BluesKaj searches for options
[16:38] <DaskreeCH> !away
[16:38] <DaskreeCH> Yes I know it's ironic as all hell out to invoke that on today of all days
[16:38] <BluesKaj> DaskreeCH:  in the server textbox ?
[16:39] <BluesKaj> ok gotit
[16:39] <BluesKaj> BBL
[16:41] <motown> DaskreeCH, ok
[16:42] <olso> hello/salut
[17:00] <vigilait> всем привет. Есть кто нибудь не слишком занятой?
[17:00] <maco> !ru | vigilait
[17:05] <dick> #xbins
[17:10] <ico2> what's the default quassel account name in kubuntu? ie: if i run quassel -p 4242, what details should i connect with?
[17:12] <daskreech> ico2: It's whatever your username is for the computer
[17:12] <ico2> oh, ok
[17:12] <ico2> cheers
[17:12] <[GuS]> Hi guys, since i've installed kde4.4 from ppa, konversation is using 100% of my CPU. Anyone knows the problem?
[17:13] <maco> i think you just stated it
[17:14] <[GuS]> ?
[17:19] <||arifaX_> is there an option to group applications like in ms win 6+1
[17:19]  * ||arifaX_ ||arifaX
[17:20] <maco> ||arifaX: can you explain that for those of us who've never used anything newer than xp?
[17:21] <||arifaX> maco: sorry, It already works - damn I am so stupid
[17:21] <maco> heh ok
[17:22] <maco> i'd guess you're not stupid though :P
[17:22] <||arifaX> maco: well being online with kde on a brand new notebook with usb gprs might tell so :)
[17:22] <BluesKaj> ahhh, nice fresh air ...good for the lungs and bloodstream
[17:29] <phant0m_> could someone explain to me exactly what it is that i do with firestarter firewall once it indicates something serious pls?
[17:32] <daskreech> phant0m_: investigate
[17:32] <vigilait> help me please. I try to install VLc. Its writtten no vlc-plugin-esd
[17:32] <phant0m_> yes but im a little unsure as to what exactly im looking for
[17:34] <daskreech> phant0m_: Depends on what the warning is about
[17:34] <phant0m_> alot of the time its icmp
[17:34] <phant0m_> or whois
[17:34] <vigilait> help me please. I try to install VLc. Its writtten no vlc-plugin-esd, What is the problem? what is it?
[17:34] <phant0m_> alos traceroute
[17:35] <daskreech> phant0m_: those are fairly normal unless they consistently come from the same server
[17:35] <daskreech> vigilait: how are you installing it?
[17:35] <vigilait> console
[17:35] <vigilait> sudo apt-get install vlc vlc-plugin-esd mozilla-plugin-vlc libdvdcss2
[17:35] <phant0m_> right so when i get too much traffic from the same server its then something i should look into
[17:36] <daskreech> vigilait: Remover vlic-plugin-esd
[17:36] <vigilait> just sudo apt-get install vlc mozilla-plugin-vlc libdvdcss2
[17:36] <vigilait> ?
[17:36] <daskreech> phant0m_: yes I would say so most programs send out a icmp (a ping) to find out if a server is live
[17:37] <phant0m_> right do you have a guide as to what i should do when this occurs
[17:37] <daskreech>  hundreds of bots and hacker programs do icmp ping sweeps of all possible IP blocks to find open servers
[17:37] <daskreech> so once your IP is reachable you will get thousands of ping requests a day
[17:38] <phant0m_> right
[17:39] <phant0m_> so then i just get the ip and block?
[17:39] <avihay> vigilait: you don't usually need vlc-plugin-esd
[17:39] <vigilait> will try)
[17:40] <avihay> make sure you have all the standard repositories enabled reload your package database and search for vlc again
[17:42] <vigilait> i've instolled) But where is i now?%)))
[17:42] <maco> hit alt+f2 and type vlc
[17:43] <daskreech> phant0m_: Yep
[17:44] <daskreech> vigilait: alt+F2 -> type vlc
[17:44] <vigilait> alt+f2=nothing
[17:44] <phant0m_> ok another issue thats bugging me is how to uninstall the freenet program i installed manually
[17:44] <daskreech> vigilait: type vlc on the command line thn
[17:44] <maco> vigilait: didnt bring up a krunner box? bah. ok open the menu and try typing vlc into the search boxx
[17:45] <maco> or "video" maybe and itll be video lan client
[17:45] <daskreech> phant0m_: you uninstall the same wat you installed it
[17:45] <vigilait> search=nothing
[17:45] <phant0m_> it wasnt installed via synaptic
[17:45] <daskreech> maco: won't be indexed till the runner refreshes or krunnner gets restarted
[17:45] <phant0m_> it was installed using java
[17:45] <maco> daskreech: oh. i thought it was more real-timey
[17:46] <vigilait> will i am going to reboot
[17:46] <maco> phant0m_: check the README then
[17:46] <daskreech> maco: it is kinda realtimey but not uberish real timey
[17:47] <phant0m_> ok ty
[17:49] <daskreech> phant0m_: if it starts attempting login attempts you may want to put a general limiter on login attempts
[17:49] <daskreech> blocking the IP will likely just make them move the IP and start an assault again
[17:51] <phant0m_> right ok how do i limit login attempt
[17:51] <phant0m_> pls
[17:52] <vigilait> thz alot, steel dont have VLC but i fixed another serious problem!
[17:52] <vigilait> thx**
[17:54] <Riddell> Kubuntu meeting in 5 minutes in #kubuntu-devel on irc.oftc.net (not this irc network)
[17:59] <phant0m_> how do i uninstall this program im in the terminal and have used ls to show the files but when i try to execute the fils it gives an error
[18:27] <BluesKaj> daskreech, lost the nicklist, toolbar or serverbar in quassel and there's no obvious option to get it back..whats the method to recover those options?
[18:51] <vicky_> hi, all. is anyone familiar with this error:
[18:51] <vicky_> x-terminal-emulator: Fatal IO error: client killed
[18:51] <vicky_> kDebugStream called after destruction (from virtual Konsole::SessionManager::~SessionManager() file ../../../../apps/konsole/src/SessionManager.cpp line 301)
[18:51] <vicky_> Konsole SessionManager destroyed with sessions still alive
[18:51] <FloodBotK1> vicky_: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[18:51] <vicky_> it is from .xsession-errors file
[18:58] <daskreech> BluesKaj: Sorry very distracted right now. Can you check in #quassel they are very friendly there
[19:00] <BluesKaj> too late , i got too frustrated trying to connect another server that wouldn't show up in server list ...who writes these apps anyway ... certainly doesn't seem user friendly to me
[19:06] <s2r> hello everybody. Could anybody be so kind to tell me what's the name of the partition manager KDE install disc uses? I'm trying to run manually from the Cd but I can't find it.
[19:07] <reisi> s2r: parted or qparted or something like that
[19:08] <reisi> s2r: not sure if it's as an executable there; you can find it in grml-small for example, if you just need to do maintenance
[19:08] <s2r> reisi: grml-small?
[19:08] <reisi> s2r: *ubuntu live cd's are not good/designed for that sort of maintenance;
[19:09] <s2r> reisi: I just need to resize an existing ntfs partition.
[19:09] <reisi> s2r: grml is debian based live cd distribution, i use it always when i need to rescue an hd, and stuff like that
[19:09] <reisi> s2r: for that, you use ntfsresize
[19:09] <s2r> reisi: Ok, thanks. I will checkit out. Also I found that there's a kpartiion-manager live cd @ sourcefor.
[19:10] <s2r> reisi: sourceforge
[19:10] <s2r> reisi: from kubuntu?
[19:10] <reisi> s2r: but i'd recommend getting to know grml or any other tool like it; it has almost every maintenance tool you can imagine of (even in the small version)
[19:11] <s2r> reisi: ok, thank's again.
[19:11] <reisi> s2r: same program, every distribution; however i think you are trying to find more graphical solution, grml is great if you know your way around the console (small version includes no graphical environment)
[19:12] <reisi> s2r: but the larger versions of grml do contain what you need (graphical partition programs)
[19:13] <reisi> s2r: go over to #grml and ask there, describing what you need to do
[19:14] <s2r> reisi: console would be fine.
[19:15] <reisi> s2r: grml it is then, the small one downloads fast; good luck and remember #grml :)
[19:16] <s2r> reisi: just downloaded the iso, thanks. I will try it right now.
[19:23] <Raszyn_urlop_od_> =
[19:23] <Raszyn_urlop_od_> =
[19:27] <kushal> i am in trouble.... my synaptic package manager doesnt open... it says bus error... kubuntu desktop is also not opening.... help
[19:36] <juanantonio> hola
[19:42] <Kwpolska> Did kde4.4 is usable for normal work?
[19:43] <kushal> what does bus error mean??
[20:00] <Fleck> hey anyone using firefox here? 3.5.5
[20:02] <giz> Fleck: yeah ?
[20:02] <apparle> Fleck: yeah
[20:09] <Fleck> giz, apparle try this out: get some list with link/buttons etc, and get in full screen with F11 - can you click on the last link at the bottom? It's like inbisible status bar is still on top here...
[20:11] <apparle> Fleck: why don't you just give use the exact link so that we can check exactly
[20:12] <Fleck> apparle this happens for me in all pages all links
[20:12] <Fleck> no matter
[20:13] <Fleck> apparle http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.3.4 for example - month/year links
[20:13] <Fleck> on the left
[20:13] <Fleck> i have 1280x1024 resolution and this gets me to August 2008 in full screen mode - and i can't click that link
[20:14] <Fleck> June 2008
[20:14] <Fleck> if i scroll i can again click on June if link is a bit higher ,,,
[20:14] <giz> Fleck:no problem here
[20:15] <Fleck> hmm maybe some addons i have installed, giz do you have firebug installed?
[20:16] <giz> Fleck: no but let me try it with that addon
[20:16] <Fleck> giz two PCs, one is kubuntu amd64 and another is x86
[20:16] <Fleck> firebug is installed on bouth
[20:16] <apparle> Fleck: I have same resolution..... and I don't get an problem
[20:17] <Fleck> apparle do you have firebug?
[20:17] <Fleck> addon
[20:17] <apparle> nope
[20:19] <giz> Fleck:no problem after install of firebug
[20:19] <Fleck> 3.5.5 yes?
[20:20] <giz> yeah
[20:21] <Fleck> strange
[20:22] <Fleck> i have same thing on two different pcs
[20:24] <wilhart> are there repos for 4.3.4 ?
[20:25] <wilhart> please
[20:26] <wilhart> ok nice i  see the topic sorry for spamming
[20:29] <wilhart> hey deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/ppa/ubuntu karmic main
[20:29] <wilhart> should i add backports repo aswell ?
[20:29] <Fleck> giz ok will try to rename .mozilla and start new profile with new settings :)
[20:30] <Fleck> ohh giz, one more thing - do you have auto hide taskbar?
[20:30] <Fleck> panel
[20:30] <wilhart> anyone??
[20:32] <Fleck> giz lol, that fixed the problem :P
[20:32] <Fleck> i have auto hide
[20:32] <giz> Fleck:yeah it autohides in F11
[20:32] <Fleck> can you try with auto hide ?
[20:32] <Fleck> giz no i mean KDE panel on the bottom
[20:32] <giz> oh hehehe
[20:33] <Fleck> when i set it to allways visible then F11 works OK, when auto hide - i can't click links/buttons on the bottom if in full screen mode
[20:33] <Fleck> giz can you try this?
[20:34] <giz> just did no problem with the links
[20:34] <Fleck> with auto hide?
[20:34] <giz> yeah
[20:35] <Fleck> giz i guess it's something with panels width too...
[20:36] <giz> mmm I have the size set to the middle and not touching the sides
[20:37] <Fleck> giz middle?
[20:37] <giz> yeah like macs hehehe
[20:37] <Fleck> giz and height?
[20:38] <giz> a little over normal
[20:38] <Fleck> giz windows can cover?
[20:39] <Fleck> or windows go below?
[20:39] <giz> below
[20:39] <subito> is there a way to place the widgets in a panel without using the spacers but by placing them is an 'absolute' way?
[20:39] <simo_> hello
[20:40] <simo_> how can i use a effect 3D of my desctop
[20:41] <diablo> simo_: Are 3d drivers installed ?
[20:41] <Fleck> giz dunno as far as i set it to auto hide - links in full screen at the bottom don't work ... :/
[20:42] <giz> fleck weird
[20:42] <simo_> no
[20:42] <Fleck> giz lol, i set panel heught to extreme heigh - works with autohide now
[20:43] <simo_> i don't know wath is this diablo ?
[20:43] <giz> Fleck LOL
[20:43] <diablo> simo_:  What's your graphic card ?
[20:43] <simo_> no idea :)
[20:43] <simo_> any way to know it ?
[20:43] <diablo> ok you know how to open a terminal
[20:43] <diablo> ?
[20:44] <wilhart> heya
[20:44] <wilhart> installed 4.3.4 now i run VLC and when i put it fullscreen taskbar is visible
[20:44] <wilhart> cant hide the bar
[20:45] <diablo> simo_: Allo ?
[20:46] <giz> wilhart:just put the panel on autohide
[20:46] <Fleck> giz compiz enabled?
[20:46] <wilhart> giz: isnt there another way
[20:47] <Fleck> giz yep - disabled all effects - and all is fine now... :)
[20:47] <wilhart> does this new kde have new effects?
[20:47] <giz> Fleck: no I'm running on a laptop right now no compiz
[20:47] <big--ben> hey guys. i'm on the newest beta from the ppa. every time i start kopete or digikam it crashes. where/how should i report this? it's possiibly kiconloader causing it
[20:48] <Fleck> giz can you turn one desktop effekts?
[20:48] <wilhart> does this new kde have new effects?
[20:51] <wilhart> how many uses compiz in kde ?
[20:51] <big--ben> hey guys. i'm on the newest beta from the ppa. every time i start kopete or digikam it crashes. where/how should i report this? it's possiibly kiconloader causing it
[20:52] <vadallat> helo
[20:53] <Fleck> anyone using compiz and firefox 3.5.5 ?
[20:53] <wilhart> use chrome
[20:53] <wilhart> it's the fastest
[20:54] <rtk> hey alll
[20:59] <giz> Fleck: my screen turned black and I had to alt-shift-f12
[21:00] <Fleck> giz ok, thanks for trying :)
[21:04] <giz> Fleck: I tried on my desktop with desktop effects no problem for the links
[21:04] <Fleck> enabled compiz, set panel to auto hide?
[21:05] <giz> Fleck:yeah
[21:06] <Fleck> then it's some kind of effect i'm using
[21:07] <ScreamOfSilence> hello :)
[21:09] <PasNox> hello
[21:09] <PasNox>  from mbr ?
[21:10] <PasNox> i installed it on the wrong one ( sdb )
[21:10] <PasNox>  from mbr*
[21:10] <ScreamOfSilence> what?
[21:10] <PasNox> hm
[21:10] <PasNox> how to remobe grub2 from mbr*
[21:11] <big--ben> hey guys. am i blind? where is the "report bug" button on launchpad.net?
[21:11] <PasNox> sorry i was not activated vernum and instead of number it clear my text :d
[21:11] <ScreamOfSilence> ah ok.
[21:11] <PasNox> i installed it on wrong mbr ( sdb )
[21:11] <diablo> PasNox: installing windows, it does clear MBR really well
[21:11] <PasNox> and i want to install it in sda
[21:11] <PasNox> diablo: i do not have windows
[21:11] <diablo> ^^
[21:11] <PasNox> ;)
[21:11] <ScreamOfSilence> eheh
[21:12] <ScreamOfSilence> hmm
[21:12] <PasNox> i know how to reinstall grub2 on sda, but i want to reset mbr of sdb
[21:12] <PasNox> without loosing datas, as it's my linux disk
[21:12] <PasNox> other one is an os x disk
[21:12] <ScreamOfSilence> for reset mbr you can use a dos drive
[21:12] <PasNox> oups WINDOWS*
[21:13] <PasNox> ScreamOfSilence: hm ??? grub2 can install on mbr and not resore original mbr ?
[21:13] <ScreamOfSilence> you can create it from ubuntu too
[21:14] <PasNox> ScreamOfSilence: can u please tell me how ?
[21:14] <ScreamOfSilence> your sda is without grub?
[21:15] <PasNox> yes sda is grub free
[21:15] <PasNox> sdb is currently the on having the grub
[21:15] <ScreamOfSilence> good
[21:15] <PasNox> i had to F8 at bios and select sdb as boot device to boot correctly
[21:15] <ScreamOfSilence> and?
[21:15] <PasNox> hm let me check, no sda is not grub free :(
[21:16] <PasNox> it has old grub installed :D
[21:16] <PasNox> all i want is to clear grub on sdb
[21:16] <PasNox> so i can install grub on sda
[21:17] <ScreamOfSilence> you can clear sdb with a dos drive
[21:17] <ScreamOfSilence> like a usb drive
[21:17] <PasNox> ScreamOfSilence: hu ? please could you details me the step to follow
[21:17] <PasNox> i have a fat32 usb key
[21:18] <PasNox> (i insist in the fact i don't want to loose partitions / datas )
[21:18] <ScreamOfSilence> you must have a "bootable drive"
[21:18] <PasNox> hm
[21:18] <PasNox> i have a original windows 98 cd
[21:19] <PasNox> does it will be ok ?
[21:19] <ScreamOfSilence> yes
[21:19] <ScreamOfSilence> it's the same ;)
[21:19] <PasNox> ok
[21:19] <PasNox> so let go ? :d
[21:20] <ScreamOfSilence> from dos write:
[21:20] <PasNox> ScreamOfSilence: hm i will need to reboot the machine :/ does i can rewrite mbr when computer and disk used ?
[21:20] <Raszyn_urlop_od_> I thing that this will be useful for mbr https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[21:20] <ScreamOfSilence> i don't know how to do this wothout reboot.
[21:21] <ScreamOfSilence> without*
[21:21] <PasNox> Raszyn_urlop_od_: i may try, but i don't loose ubuntu, i know how to restore, i just want to clear and reset ( original ) mbr on sdb
[21:21] <PasNox> ScreamOfSilence: ok so, let reboot , listening your steps
[21:21] <ScreamOfSilence> from dos: fdisk /mbr
[21:21] <ScreamOfSilence> it will clear mbr
[21:21] <ScreamOfSilence> then, from live cd you can install grub
[21:22] <PasNox> ScreamOfSilence: does i can reinstall grub on sda now, then after reboot on win98 clear sb ?
[21:22] <PasNox> all should be ok ?
[21:22] <PasNox> sdb*
[21:23] <Fleck> giz geforce video card?
[21:23] <ScreamOfSilence> o,  it will cleare the installed grub
[21:23] <ScreamOfSilence> no*
[21:23] <PasNox> ScreamOfSilence: fdisk /mbr will reset all disks mbr ?
[21:25] <ScreamOfSilence> no, only the first disk
[21:25] <genii-around> fdisk /mbr  replaces the primary master hard drive's mbr
[21:25] <ScreamOfSilence> sorry
[21:26] <ScreamOfSilence> you can set sdb to first hard drive
[21:26] <giz> Fleck:nope intel
[21:26] <genii-around> If you do that in bios it becomes sda
[21:27] <ScreamOfSilence> yes..
[21:27] <ScreamOfSilence> ^^
[21:28] <PasNox> oki i will set my sdb as first drive then fdisk /mbr
[21:28] <PasNox> thanks
[21:28] <ScreamOfSilence> :)
[21:29] <PasNox> damn, there is no small linux tools for doing this damn thing ??? :D
[21:30] <Fleck> giz ok then maybe it's only with nvidia cards...
[21:30] <ScreamOfSilence> I have always used the drive dos
[21:31] <Fleck> PasNox
[21:31] <Fleck> what do you need?
[21:31] <Fleck> clear mbr in linux?
[21:31] <genii-around> PasNox: There is a way to use dd to make backups of the mbr into a file, then later you can use the file to restore the mbr
[21:31] <PasNox> Fleck: yes, i wrongly installed grub2 on sdb while i would have to use sda, so now i want to clear sdb mbr so i can safety install it on sda
[21:32] <Fleck> PasNox dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb bs=512 count=1
[21:32] <ScreamOfSilence> bye!
[21:32] <PasNox> Fleck: this will not destroy my table partition of sdb ? and no data loose ?
[21:32] <PasNox> ScreamOfSilence: bye, and thanks again
[21:33] <genii-around> PasNox: It will only zero-out the mbr and not the partition table (which is elsewhere on the drive)
[21:33] <Fleck> PasNox nope - but if you whant - copy your mbr  dd if=/dev/sdb of=/path/where/to/store/sdbs/mbr bs=512 count=1 :)
[21:33] <PasNox> great
[21:33] <PasNox> does i can do it when the disk is used ?
[21:34] <PasNox> i'm running my system on sdb
[21:34] <PasNox> ?
[21:34] <Fleck> yes
[21:34] <PasNox> ok!
[21:34] <PasNox> let go ;)
[21:34] <PasNox> thanks
[21:34] <FloodBotK3> PasNox: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[21:34] <giz> PasNox: you could use a bootable linux usb it as the tools to do this in linux
[21:34] <PasNox>  times ...
[21:34] <PasNox> oups
[21:35] <gabriel> does anyone know about a problem to select file raws to repeat to print in openoffice calc ?
[21:35] <kaddi> I need a tool that will allow me to edit a windows registry from unix.. if possible command line
[21:36] <PasNox> Fleck: done :) how i reinstall grub2 on sda: sudo grub-install /dev/sda ?
[21:37] <Fleck> sudo grub
[21:38] <FloodBotK3> !netsplit
[21:42] <judge> anyone familiar with the netbook version of kubuntu?
[21:43] <Tm_T> !ask | judge hi :)
[21:43] <judge> i'm trying to understand how to force icons to be arranged to my liking e.g. by name
[21:43] <judge> on the desktop
[21:44] <Tm_T> icons on desktop?
[21:44] <judge> yes, i'm using the netbook version of kubuntu
[21:45] <judge> it has a different type of interface than i'm used to
[21:45] <Tm_T> judge: yes but I don't remember it having icons on desktop (:
[21:45] <judge> i'm using karmic
[21:51] <ubuntu> Fleck: hm
[21:51] <ubuntu> i does the dd thing to reset the master boot record of sdb
[21:52] <ubuntu>  and .... wwhat is see SDBA no valid table partition :'(
[21:52] <ubuntu> what i can do ?
[21:52] <ubuntu> SDB*
[21:54] <ubuntu> :'(
[21:54] <ubuntu> _ping
[21:55] <ubuntu> !ping
[21:56] <ubuntu> and damn thing, i did not save mbr ....
[21:58] <PasNox> Fleck: any idea please ?
[22:01] <kaddi> I need a tool that will allow me to edit a windows registry from unix.. if possible command line
[22:01] <Tm_T> kaddi: have you asked in ##windows ?
[22:01] <kaddi> the don't do linux stuff
[22:02] <giz> PasNox: did I misunderstand or did he say to use sudo grub to install the new mbr to sda
[22:02] <Tm_T> kaddi: and we do "windows stuff" ? (:
[22:02] <kaddi> they're usually pretty strict about that stuff
[22:02] <kaddi> well it is a ubuntu application I'm looking for...
[22:02] <Tm_T> kaddi: I know none, sorry
[22:03] <PasNox> giz: i do a mistake, i dd the sdb, and now on linve cd, it tell me sdb does not contains a valid partition table, sda is still fine, but fuck sda, my datas and linux system was on sdb :'(
[22:03] <Tm_T> kaddi: but I wonder if registry is just file readable with text or hex editor
[22:03] <kaddi> no, don't worry, windows isn't that logical or simple :p
[22:03] <kaddi> ;)
[22:03] <PasNox> anyway to recreate table of partition ??? i was thinking ( and asking about possible partition / datas loss, he tell no problem ) :(
[22:04] <Tm_T> kaddi: well, I know it is in file form too
[22:04] <PasNox> and now the sdb is illisible :/
[22:04] <giz> PasNox: I know it's old but always backup your data before experimenting
[22:04] <kaddi> Tm_T: it's some kind of compiled form, and I've never done any reverse engineering, so I'm pretty much lost
[22:04] <Tm_T> kaddi: roger
[22:05] <PasNox> giz: yep :'(
[22:05] <PasNox> giz: i have not modified the disk since the dd thing, is there a tool capable of recreating the Table of partitin ?
[22:06] <giz> PasNox: just go ahead and try to make the new mbr , all it did was zero out your mbr which is a seperate partition than your data almost sure it is still there
[22:07] <PasNox> giz: how to do new mbr ? i already do it using the dd tool
[22:08] <giz> PasNox:you have to run grub as root user
[22:08] <PasNox> giz: do u have a step to follow list ? i'm on karmic live cd
[22:09] <PasNox> sudo grub -³ command not found
[22:09] <Tm_T> hi nhandler
[22:10] <Tm_T> giz: I hope you are sure about this all...
[22:10] <nhandler> Hello Tm_T
[22:11] <giz> http://www.gnu.org/grub/manual  explains it to you with the steps
[22:12] <PasNox> giz: page not found, for now i don't want to reinstall grub, i just want my table of partition of sdb come back
[22:13] <PasNox> does grub can restore table of partition ?
[22:13] <Tm_T> nope
[22:13] <PasNox> so i don't need grub for fixing my table of partiton problem :/
[22:14] <kaddi> can anyone tell me to which package /usr/lib/libcrypto.a belongs to? How can I find out?
[22:14] <giz> nope
[22:14] <giz> PasNox: last , I don't think your data is gone on sdb
[22:15] <PasNox> kaddi: libcrypto is from ssl no ? or qca
[22:15] <PasNox> giz: i think too, but the table of partition seem broken, i need repair it
[22:15] <kaddi> PasNox: I thought so too, but  I have openssl installed and the file isn't present
[22:16] <giz> PasNox:unmount and fsck
[22:16] <PasNox> kaddi: install libopenssl-dev
[22:16] <PasNox> giz: hm may try
[22:17] <Tm_T> kaddi: packages.ubuntu.com has search, also you can do in commandline: dpkg-query --search /usr/lib/libcrypto.a
[22:18] <xizinho> hello all
[22:19] <PasNox> giz: i'm trying testdisk, a linux tool that can recreate table of partition if content not modified, and it find them :D ouf now need to write table ;)
[22:19] <kaddi> Tm_T: awesome, I'll keep that in midn for next time :) I just installed openssl-dev and the files are there now :)
[22:19] <kaddi> @PasNox thanks :)
[22:19] <Tm_T> kaddi: jolly good, I would've given answer rightaway but I don't have same release (:
[22:21] <kaddi> Tm_T:  the dpkg-query --search will definitely be helping me in the future :)
[22:22] <PasNox> i need reboot ;) cya
[22:25] <rodrox> kubuntu is part of canonical ?
[22:28] <giz> PasNox: Good luck mate
[22:32] <PasNox> problem fixd :)
[22:32] <PasNox> fixed*
[22:36] <kaddi> nice :)
[22:36] <kaddi> and I got ntpasswd for registry editing from lunix :) Fixed my registry and can boot again :p
[22:36] <Tm_T> kaddi: lovely
[22:37] <kaddi> totally. :)
[22:37] <kaddi> it only took me a little too long, so that I didn't remember what I wanted to fix, when I finally got in :p
[22:41] <wilhart> is there no easyer way than downloading style/window/themes from kde-looks.org?
[22:41] <wilhart> thats stupid
[22:42] <wilhart> is there no thingy like gnome-art
[22:42] <wilhart> or are there any theme packs available?
[22:42] <Tm_T> wilhart: you can install packages from repositories
[22:42] <wilhart> Tm_T: like 2x or so besipn is the best all other 4 are crap
[22:42] <Tm_T> wilhart: then you use kde-look, I guess
[22:43] <wilhart> tnta: there should be repos for losa styles
[22:44] <Tm_T> wilhart: only if there's people packaging them
[22:44] <wilhart> i dont even know where to put those files in kde-look
[22:44] <tnta> wb Philip5
[22:44] <Philip5> tnta: :)
[22:44] <wilhart> tnta: where?
[22:45] <Tm_T> wilhart: they should have instructions
[22:45] <Philip5> tnta: what are you up to?
[22:46] <tnta> Philip5:  just watched a movie
[22:46] <Philip5> tnta: aha
[22:47] <Philip5> i was just thinking of package the new luckyBackup 0.3.4 that just got released upstream
[22:54] <antlarr> anybody knows why is kdebase-workspace-dev 4.3.3 not in the repositories?
[22:55] <antlarr> I'd like to compile a kdevelop package, but that one is a requisite for building kdevelop
[22:56] <ofn> hello. i'm trying to follow a guide called "howto-via-chrome9-igp-on-ubuntu-linux", but don't know what to do when i'm supposed to add <Driver "openchrome"> in xorg.conf. i've read it's gone in 9.10. anyone know how to do this? i probably can't paste the link to the guide without getting kicked
[22:56] <Philip5> antlarr: i have it in karmic
[22:56] <Philip5> sorry... i only have it for 4.3.4 and 4.3.2
[22:59] <ofn> sorry, maybe i should have asked the question in the ubuntu-channel
[23:03] <simo_> where we can see others chanels ?
[23:10] <Mamarok> !list | simo
[23:14] <FloodBotK3> !netsplit
[23:14] <Kage_Jittai> Freenode has been so unstable lately
[23:21] <wilhart> kde has window themes but i dont know how style is changed so that only window themes would be chosen
[23:22] <wilhart> hw to disable style and only use windows?
[23:23] <wilhart> kwin4 only no styles??
[23:23] <wilhart> or how to overide styles and onlu use what windows have in store?
[23:24] <wilhart> ffs
[23:26] <andy____> hi
[23:27] <andy____> I have a problem with pinentry. it always says my passfrase is wrong and so i cannot read my emails
[23:28] <andy____> problem is: it doesn't even ask for a passfrase, and I must export key and mail to another machine in order to be able to read it
[23:30] <joshuajtl> hey folks, can anyone tell me how to configure the scroll area for my synaptics touchpad? (my touchpad currently has two, one in the middle of the pad and one on the left, I only want the one on the left)
[23:31] <FloodBotK3> !netsplit
[23:32] <wilhart> kwin-style-aurorae - Theme engine for KWin window decorations
[23:32] <wilhart> i cant seem to get style changed??
[23:32] <joshuajtl> hey folks, can anyone tell me how to configure the scroll area for my synaptics touchpad? (my touchpad currently has two, one in the middle of the pad and one on the left, I only want the one on the left)
[23:34] <maco2> wilhart: im not sure how kwin works but if anything like metacity, a theme engine isnt a theme. it just lets you be able to use certain other themes
[23:35] <joshuajtl> i mean i have one on the right and one in the middle (from a regular kubuntu install) i want to keep the one on the right
[23:37] <joshuajtl> brb
[23:37] <wilhart> maco2: haev u tried this : kwin-style-aurorae - Theme engine for KWin window decorations
[23:37] <wilhart> maco2: i want styles to change too, not window borders only
[23:38] <wilhart> maco2: like kde4 toolbar themes
[23:38] <maco2> then you want a qt theme
[23:38] <maco2> kwin is by definition just the window manager
[23:38] <wilhart> qt ehmm
[23:39] <wilhart> maco2: i change to QtCurve still styles are not changing
[23:39] <wilhart> maco2: check out that progarm and try to install a theme
[23:42] <wilhart> maco2: do you know what i mean ? when i change windows deco, style doesnt change to the windows deco
[23:42] <maco2> the theme and the window decorations are two different things
[23:42] <maco2> you have to change both
[23:42] <maco2> note that there's also a spot to change the colours used with your qt theme
[23:44] <wilhart> maco2: ehmm do you know that theme engine ?
[23:45] <wilhart> maco2: how do i fix this crap
[23:45] <maco2> no i dont
[23:45] <maco2> but i know that if it says kwin it is ONLY for window decorations
[23:45] <maco2> are you looking at a screenshot and wanting the qt theme but theyve only listed the kwin theme, maybe?
[23:46] <wilhart> maco2: doh, i'll google for this nobody know what i mean this i a new feature in kde, so it uses themes not style/windows anymore
[23:46] <wilhart> they are all in 1 theme
[23:46] <wilhart> and toolbar has a theme engine too
[23:46] <wilhart> u can download them dirctrly from net
[23:47] <maco2> um ok. i dont use kwin though
[23:47] <wilhart> no need for look-kde anymore
[23:47] <maco2> kde-look you mean
[23:47] <wilhart> yea
[23:47] <maco2> you're not referring to Get Hot New Stuff are you? cuz that pulls from kde-look
[23:49] <maco2> are you talking about plasma themes?
[23:49] <maco2> those arent for normal windows...just your panel and the plasmoids on your desktop
[23:49] <wilhart> maco2: http://main.v00d00.net/kde4-theming-aurorae
[23:49] <wilhart> maco2: yea plasma themes probably
[23:49] <wilhart> no not plasma then
[23:52] <wilhart> maco2: did you check it
[23:52] <maco2> its still loading
[23:55] <wilhart> Kwin has inbuilt desktop compositing with a lot of effects + Aurorae Window Themes = Insane KDE desktop.
[23:55] <wilhart> aurorae window themes
[23:55] <joshuajtl> can anyone tell me how to find out which touchpad i have? alps or synaptics?
[23:55] <wilhart> style wont change?? that's my question?! cant find in google
[23:56] <wilhart>  Re: Tried 'aurorae' theme engine (to be included in KDE4.4). It's cool !!