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[00:57] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/201711
[00:57] <DanaG> grr.
[00:57] <ubottu> Ubuntu bug 201711 in linux "Apple fn key behavior isn't consistent with what's expected" [Medium,Confirmed]
[01:01] <DanaG> Having to press alt-fn-f2 is annoying.
[01:01] <DanaG> grr.
[01:01] <DanaG> and alt-fn-f4 to quit. and ctrl-alt-fn-f1 to switch to tty1.
[01:02] <DanaG> Or worse, ctrl-alt-fn-f7.
[01:02] <rr73> DanaG~ at least be thankful you can get X/GDM working
[01:03] <DanaG> i'm using kdm... and oddly enough, kdm doesn't auto-login even though I have set it to do so.
[01:03] <jml> "isn't consistent with what's expected" might as well say "is broken"
[01:05] <rr73> DanaG~ gdm does not start on boot then a 'start gdm' will make my screen just flickerrr
[01:08] <rr73> i dont know where to start looking to troubleshoot my issue. or let alone describe my issue lol
[01:13] <DanaG> hmm, I seem to recall having fixed that by purging and reinstalling gdm (from under console); had to use dpkg --force-depends.
[01:13] <DanaG> That's a rather inelegant hack, though.
[01:13] <DanaG> Better to report a bug, or find an existing report for that bug.
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[01:14] <rr73> i don't know how to explain it much more lol and i can't attach files cause the system "locks up"
[01:18] <rr73> DanaG~ what's with the force-depends? I get no dependancy issues with a purge/install
[01:20] <rr73> DanaG~ exactly what did you do to fix it? and you can see some of tty1 but then flickers to black then back and forth?
[01:40] <DanaG> hmm, check for old xorg log?
[03:31] <DanaG> yargh, pulseaudio was being all crackly, on both the usb and the ac97 cards.
[03:32] <DanaG> Hmm, which of those two SHOULD be less crackly?
[03:32] <genii> I would hope some internal card would be less crackly
[03:34] <dtchen> internal or otherwise has no bearing
[03:34] <dtchen> remember there are several factors in this "crackly" equation:
[03:34] <bjsnider> what?
[03:34] <dtchen> * driver-side: DMA setup, PCI latency
[03:35] <bjsnider> having to do a translation over usb wouldn't be more of a problem than a pci card?
[03:35] <dtchen> * library-side: DMA setup
[03:35] <dtchen> * application-side: hw/sw params
[03:35] <DanaG> My system also seems to be under load from something... not sure what.
[03:35] <dtchen> bjsnider: it isn't nearly as significant a factor as other things
[03:36] <DanaG> oh, right now it's ntfs-3g load... but that wasn't the issue then, I don't think.
[03:36] <DanaG> hmm, PCI SATA card could also be a factor.
[03:39] <DanaG> hmm, anyway, I posted the alsa-info for the ac97 card earlier.
[03:40] <bcurtiswx> there any way to get around one of the packages trying to remove usplash?
[03:41] <DanaG> icon selection fail: the icon for ethernet-cable-unplugged, in new-wave theme, is "no wifi signal" icon.
[03:41] <DanaG> ... on a computer with no wifi card.
[03:42] <DanaG> weird... PulseAudio just lost my ac97 sound card entirely.
[03:42] <DanaG> It switched to null!
[03:43] <bjsnider> you've mentioned high-cpu load from ntfs-3g before
[03:44] <DanaG> yeah, and now it's on a single-core.  bleh.
[03:44] <bjsnider> that's the userspace ntfs driver?
[03:44] <DanaG> www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/pulse-loses-ac97.log
[03:44] <dtchen> DanaG: generally, if you disable autospawn and run it manually (with verbose logging), you'll get much more useful output.
[03:45] <DanaG> killall pulseaudio && pulseaudio -vvvv |& tee pulse-loses-a97.log &
[03:45] <DanaG> yay for |& pipe in bash.
[03:45] <dtchen> HTTP 404
[03:46] <DanaG> oops, typo'd on "scp" command.
[03:46] <DanaG> try again.
[03:46] <DanaG> weird.
[03:46] <dtchen> 404 again
[03:47] <DanaG> oh, I typo'd the file name itself.
[03:47] <DanaG> =þ
[03:47] <DanaG> it was 'a97' (lost the 'c')
[03:47] <DanaG> now it's ac97.
[03:48] <dtchen> I: (alsa-lib)pcm_plugin.c: short commit: 173
[03:48] <dtchen> D: alsa-sink.c: snd_pcm_mmap_commit: Broken pipe
[03:48] <dtchen> D: alsa-sink.c: snd_pcm_mmap_commit: Buffer underrun!
[03:48] <dtchen> I: (alsa-lib)pcm_hw.c: SNDRV_PCM_IOCTL_PREPARE failed
[03:48] <dtchen> I: (alsa-lib)pcm.c: cannot recovery from underrun, prepare failed: Device or resource busy
[03:48] <dtchen> E: alsa-sink.c: snd_pcm_mmap_commit: Device or resource busy
[03:48] <DanaG> yup.
[03:49] <DanaG> "cannot recovery" is also broken grammar, I just noticed. =þ
[03:49] <dtchen> native German speaker, so I overlook those bits ;)
[03:50] <DanaG> "recovery" is noun, "recover" is verb.
[03:50] <DanaG> "cannot <verb>"
[03:50] <DanaG> =t
[03:50] <DanaG> =þ
[03:50] <dtchen> I'm sure Lennart would happily accept patches
[03:50] <DanaG> curse this apple keyboard I've borrowed...
[03:51] <DanaG> normal bottom row is ctrl, super, alt, space, altgr, (maybe super), contextmenu, ctrl.
[03:51] <DanaG> Apple is ctrl, alt, super, space, super, alt, ctrl.
[03:51] <dtchen> and this is updated, correct?
[03:52] <DanaG> 1:0.9.21-0ubuntu2
[03:52] <dtchen>   alsa-lib | 1.0.21a-1ubuntu2 |         lucid | source
[03:53] <DanaG> hmm, what command gives that output format?
[03:53] <dtchen> dtchen@zinc:~$ rmadison alsa-lib
[03:54] <DanaG>   alsa-lib | 1.0.21a-1ubuntu2 | http://mirrors.kernel.org lucid/main Sources
[03:54] <DanaG> apt-cache madison.
[03:54] <dtchen> right, but you'd want apt-cache policy libasound2|grep Installed:
[03:55] <DanaG> 1.0.21a-1ubuntu2
[03:55] <dtchen> ok, so you have the hw ptr ioctl patch
[03:55] <dtchen> that's good
[03:55] <DanaG> oh, no rtkit installed... should I install it?
[03:55] <dtchen> yes
[03:56] <dtchen> not the source of this issue, but yes, you should
[03:56] <natewiebe13> with the new breadcrumbs in software center, could that potentially be used in nautilus for the location?
[03:56] <DanaG> oh, and I get this all the time: Gtk-Message: Failed to load module "atk-bridge": libatk-bridge.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[03:58] <dtchen> do you have at-spi installed?
[03:58] <DanaG> yes.
[03:58] <dtchen> probably GTK+ skew
[04:00] <dtchen> hmm, I really need driver debugging for that
[04:00] <DanaG> I don't use at-spi, anyway, so that bit is cosmetic. = t
[04:00] <dtchen> I'm sure it's related to alsa-plugins not syncing the "hw ptr" correctly
[04:00] <DanaG> curse you apple keyboard!
[04:01] <DanaG> hmm, if rtkit can make the usb one not crackle too badly, that's enough.
[04:01] <DanaG> Is there a way to just auto-build an alsa package with debug?  Or does that need a whole kernel build?
[04:01] <DanaG> (or a linux-image-debug)
[04:02] <DanaG> http://users.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/lshw.html
[04:04] <dtchen> you can just wait for Brad's crack-of-the-day alsa-driver snapshot builds
[04:04] <dtchen> he'll be announcing them shortly
[04:04] <DanaG> Cool.'
[04:05] <dtchen> anyhow, Z time -> work
[04:05] <DanaG> hmm, should rtkit at least help the usb one?
[04:05] <DanaG> I can just use that.
[04:06] <DanaG> Or maybe I should just try it and find out. =þ
[04:08] <DanaG> anyway, good night.
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[05:22] <DanaG> grr, stupid o3d plugin... segfault.
[05:28] <DanaG> hmm, how do I list all "untrusted" packages available?
[05:28] <DanaG> aptitude search ~U showed u for upgradeable, not U for untrusted.
[05:42] <DanaG> wierd... sata_via is dog-slow.
[05:42] <DanaG>   24.4% (159.2)   [sata_via] <interrupt>
[05:46] <DanaG> < Detailed C-state information is not P-states (frequencies)
[05:46] <DanaG> say what?
[05:46] <DanaG> that's what powertop says.
[06:15] <patcito> hey
[06:16] <patcito> plasma-desktop takes up +60% CPU here
[06:16] <patcito> I have an intel 945GM/PM/GMS, 943/940GML and 945G
[06:16] <patcito> any idea what's wrong?
[06:28] <patcito> JontheEchidna: any idea? ^^ :)
[06:29] <JontheEchidna> :)
[06:29] <JontheEchidna> Not off the top of my head... have any widgets in particular that you could try removing?
[06:32] <JontheEchidna> Good luck, anyways. I'm off to bed (1:30 AM here)
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[08:29] <iflema> :P
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[12:44] <wzssyqa> rhythmbox have no icon on try
[12:44] <wzssyqa> tray
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[13:58] <BUGabundo_work> hey
[13:59] <BluesKaj> howdy folks
[14:01] <BluesKaj> ssh network wizard is broken in lucid , can ssh in the terminal but not in dolphin or konq
[14:02] <yofel> you mean sftp?
[14:03] <BluesKaj> yeah , yofel , seems  so
[14:03] <yofel> yeah, that is broken for the time being, lemme look up the bug
[14:04] <yofel> BluesKaj: bug 496208
[14:05] <yofel> thanks for nothing ubottu...
[14:05] <BUGabundo_work> ahahaahahaah
[14:06] <yofel> -.-
[14:06] <BUGabundo_work> its always funny to hang around here
[14:41] <BluesKaj> lucid froze then crashed
[14:47] <BUGabundo_work> eheh
[14:47] <BUGabundo_work> bad lucid, bad
[14:49] <BluesKaj> I think it was chromium browser ...it's reall slow and sticky ...FF is bad enuff too
[14:54]  * BUGabundo_work slasps BluesKaj 
[14:54] <BUGabundo_work> WHAT?
[14:54] <BUGabundo_work> its the fastest browser I ever used
[14:54] <BUGabundo_work> u cant be well
[15:08] <v6lur> any ideas why 'make' won't do anything on lucid? (x64; all updates as of now)
[15:09] <v6lur> no error or anything, just exits in silence
[15:09] <v6lur> exit code is 0, too
[15:10] <yofel> v6lur: check the Makefile?
[15:10] <v6lur> ./configure says all went fine, no start make
[15:10] <v6lur> now*
[15:12] <yofel> bug in Makefile.in configure or autotools then
[15:12] <yofel> make works fine for me
[15:13] <v6lur> hmm, the makefile looks rather empty, now that i look at it
[15:13] <v6lur> some 10 lines + comments...
[15:14] <v6lur> ok...
[15:15] <v6lur> another thing: qmake doesn't seem to like Qt 4.6
[15:15] <v6lur> gives "Project ERROR: unsupported Qt minor version 6 found but 3, 4 or 5 required" and exits
[15:16] <yofel> seems like the app doesn't compile with qt 4.6
[15:16] <yofel> maybe regenerate the project file?
[15:17] <v6lur> i'll try...
[15:17] <v6lur> thanks, yofel
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[16:37] <iceroot_> is the alpha a feature-freeze?
[16:38] <BUGabundo_work> eheh
[16:38] <BUGabundo_work> no such thing
[16:38] <iceroot_> ah ok
[16:38] <iceroot_> but running fine :)
[16:41] <iceroot_> very nice :) click on system-help  its saying i am using karmic koala :)
[16:41] <Pici> yay
[17:03] <BUGabundo_work> Pici: ?
[17:03] <Pici> BUGabundo_work: hm?
[17:03] <BUGabundo_work> yay for ?
[17:04] <Pici> BUGabundo_work: That it said karmic. Nothing worth noting.
[17:04] <BUGabundo_work> ah right
[17:09] <towolf> hello, i’m wondering how input devices are configured in the post-hal world. i tried udev rules, but they don’t do anything. anyone know how it’s done?
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[17:20] <yofel> let's try again: anyone an idea how to fix a broken akonadi? It hangs up KMail here: http://yofel.pastebin.com/f30f9a1c7
[17:30] <BluesKaj> is kamail fixed ?  it was in rough shape in 9.04 so I dumped it
[17:31] <BluesKaj> err kmail
[17:33] <yofel> well, it works fine for me except that it freezes when I want to open a mail to read it
[17:33] <yofel> it waits for a not-started akonadi server
[17:33] <yofel> (see my paste)
[17:37] <BUGabundo_work> BluesKaj: it was very stable in 9.10
[17:38] <BUGabundo_work> on 9.04 prob was it got caught in mid devel cycle
[17:40] <BluesKaj> I see , was considering using it again but I've moved most of my eamil to igoogle/gmail , but I don't carry on any business or sensitive data , so I'm ok with my present setups
[18:21] <BluesKaj> quassel is certainly not my cuppa tea. lose the nicklist, toolbar , serverbar and there's no obvious option to get it back...gotta be a mindreader I guess
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[19:04] <nvme> what can i do other than clean out sysv-rc-conf to improve boot speeds ?
[19:04] <sebsebseb> hi
[19:08] <CosmiChaos> why does my onboard audio device does no more work from boot up in lucid? i always need to run sudo modprobe snd_hd_intel, after that it is properly shown in volume-control
[19:08] <CosmiChaos> snd_hda_intel
[19:09] <CosmiChaos> well initramfs-tools and linux-firmware recently got an update
[19:09] <CosmiChaos> i remember my audio broke few days ago when that packages were updated last time
[19:09] <CosmiChaos> hope its gone now, will reboot
[19:26] <CosmiChaos> well it is still broken, i just add snd_hda_intel to /etc/modules that would work
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[19:33] <bjsnider> this channel is an almost constant stream of messages about audio breakages
[19:34] <Ian_Corne> HA
[19:34] <Ian_Corne> a stream
[19:34] <Ian_Corne> :p
[19:34] <Ian_Corne> nooo
[19:35]  * yofel wonders if dtchen will see a day without audio complaints ^^
[19:36] <yofel> and first we have netsplit hell and now ubottu seems broken...
[19:38] <Ian_Corne> the netsplits are because some assholes are ddossing the freenode servers :(
[19:38] <bjsnider> chanserv msg yesterday mentioned ddos attacks
[19:57] <CosmiChaos> hmmm my audio is not broke at all, its just the module isnt loaded automatically
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[20:57] <mr_engineer> how is this release going?
[20:57] <mr_engineer> is it VERY buggy?
[20:58] <CosmiChaos> mr_engineer, what release? define buggy
[20:58] <mr_engineer> 10.04
[20:58] <mr_engineer> hm... like with bugs for a person that uses heavily graphic applications like games
[21:00] <yofel> mr_engineer: well, we have a new Xorg version and that leads to problems every release
[21:00] <mr_engineer> oh
[21:01] <yofel> well, my intel VGA works fine here and my nvidia quadro with 195.22 too
[21:01] <CosmiChaos> yofel, will lucid carry 1.8 in the end?
[21:02] <yofel> no idea, depends if it's released early enough, but I would guess on NO
[21:02] <mr_engineer> well, i will rely on this as a plan b then
[21:02] <CosmiChaos> so 1.7.3 is *NEW*?
[21:03] <yofel> CosmiChaos: well, it's not exactly new, but it's stable, and that's whats most important for an LTS release
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[22:24] <BUGabundo> finally some xorgs updates
[22:37] <CosmiChaos> BUGabundo, that what you said was twelve minutes ago, i still not see any xorg updates
[22:38] <yofel> WeatherGod: you were faster than I could type XD
[22:38] <WeatherGod> I'm a ninja!
[22:38] <BUGabundo> xserver-xorg-input-all
[22:38] <BUGabundo> The following packages have been kept back:
[22:38] <BUGabundo>   libgnomekbd4 xserver-xorg xserver-xorg-core{a} xserver-xorg-input-evdev{a} xserver-xorg-input-mouse{a}
[22:38] <BUGabundo>   xserver-xorg-input-synaptics{a} xserver-xorg-input-vmmouse{a}
[22:38] <BUGabundo> but this are still stuck
[22:38] <yofel> I think there were some intel related changes in the kernel that might cause my suspend issues
[22:39] <yofel> since 2.6.31 works fine
[22:46] <AlanBell> my intel graphics works just like it does in Karmic
[22:46] <AlanBell> which is not as good as Jaunty
[22:47] <AlanBell> but I have a silly monitor with 2048x1152 resolution
[22:47] <yofel> AlanBell: what card? my 945GME works nice now, while it was crap in Jaunty
[22:48] <AlanBell> when putting it through my monitor I have to turn compiz off
[22:48] <AlanBell> metacity works fine
[22:48] <AlanBell> and compiz works perfectly in Jaunty (spinning cube, the lot)
[22:48] <AlanBell> but the max texture width of the card is 2048 and between jaunty and Karmic something crept over the limit
[23:04] <DanaG> argh, stupid Thunderbird.... keeps devouring all my memory, and then getting OOM-killed.
[23:04] <DanaG> Even in safe mode.
[23:05] <DanaG> er, wait... weird, it's sometimes -safe-mode, and sometimes --safe-mode.
[23:30] <joshuajtl> hey folks, can anyone tell me how to configure the scroll area for my synaptics touchpad? (my touchpad currently has two, one in the middle of the pad and one on the left, I only want the one on the left)
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[23:32] <joshuajtl> hey folks, can anyone tell me how to configure the scroll area for my synaptics touchpad? (my touchpad currently has two, one in the middle of the pad and one on the left, I only want the one on the left)
[23:34] <DanaG> On the left?  I've never heard of a left-edge scroll... just a right-edge scroll.
[23:34] <joshuajtl> sorry thats what i meant DanaG ... on the right
[23:34] <joshuajtl> but i also have one in the middle! just from a regular kubuntu install
[23:35] <DanaG> ah, probably the RightEdge value is wrong.  I'm not sure where touchpad settings go, nowadays.
[23:37] <joshuajtl> brb
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[23:55] <joshuajtl> can anyone tell me how to find out which touchpad i have? alps or synaptics?
[23:56] <DanaG> cat /proc/bus/input/devices   perhaps.
[23:57] <DanaG> argh, for some reason, gksu keeps aborting with badwindow.
[23:57] <joshuajtl> thanks DanaG
[23:58] <douglasawh-work> is freenode still having problems or was my disconnection there unrelated?
[23:59] <DanaG> grr, stupid gksu.
[23:59] <bjsnider> ask the freenode devs