=== popey changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: | Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs === bjf is now known as bjf-afk === TuxPurple_ is now known as TuxPurple === nxvl_ is now known as nxvl === asac_ is now known as asac === Seveaz is now known as Seveas === elky is now known as elky` === TuxPurple_ is now known as TuxPurple === elky` is now known as elky === StevenK_ is now known as StevenK === AlanBell_ is now known as AlanBell === Keybuk_ is now known as Keybuk === zul_ is now known as zul [13:53] this is going to be a fun meeting [13:53] stupid netsplits [13:55] zul: totally [13:55] * bob joined the room [13:55] And that's why I'll never wear a dress again! [13:55] *shudder* [13:56] o/ [13:57] * jjohansen \o [13:57] \\o o// [13:57] \o/ [13:57] hey jjohansen [13:58] ~o~ [13:58] heya zul [13:58] ttx, smoser around? [13:58] hola [13:59] o/ [13:59] right, let's get started then [13:59] #startmeeting [13:59] jiboumans, There is already a meeting in progress. [13:59] o.O [13:59] #endmeeting [14:00] o..k.. now what? :) [14:00] right im going back to bed then ;) [14:00] jiboumans: now you do it without mootbot, methinks [14:00] * jjohansen wonders if it is still the kernel meeting from yesterday [14:00] so no #reallyreallyendmeeting then [14:01] moving along [14:01] [TOPIC] Scribe assignment [14:01] this week is zul's turn to do the minutes [14:01] whee [14:01] next week is the next one in alphabetical order from the server team [14:02] [TOPIC] review action points from previous meetings [14:02] ACTION: jos to review/approve server-lucid-more-mail-integration [14:02] jiboumans: alphabetical on the first or last name? [14:02] on irc nicks [14:02] mathiaz: irc nick, and no changesies :) [14:02] Both myself and ttx have reviewed the spec from ScottK and approved it, so that one's done [14:03] ScottK++ for championing this [14:03] * ScottK looks up [14:03] Anyone wants to help, let me know. [14:03] alright, next one: [14:03] ACTION: smoser to push cloud dailies to ISO tracker asap [14:03] was done as part of the alpha1 release process. [14:04] :) [14:04] smoser++ thanks [14:04] ACTION: smoser to open bug for kernel team follow-up on ramdiskless kernels [14:04] done, looking for bug [14:05] (that gives mathiaz and kirkland 2 minutes to rush to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/CodeReviews [14:05] and claim 'done') [14:05] heh [14:05] bug 494565 [14:05] thanks [14:06] jjohansen: bug report has everything you need in it? [14:06] jiboumans: not-done [14:06] jiboumans: I'll have a look at it later [14:06] jiboumans: I think so [14:07] excellent [14:07] moving on [14:07] jiboumans: hmm, yeah, I haven't had a chance to do much code review [14:07] ACTION: zul, kirkland, mathiaz to sign up for sponsoring time on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/CodeReviews [14:07] done [14:07] * jiboumans hits refresh one more time [14:08] [ACTION]: kirkland, mathiaz to sign up for sponsoring time on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/CodeReviews [14:08] please have it done by next meeting [14:08] jiboumans: oh, you just want us to sign up for an hour at this time? [14:08] kirkland: a weekly hour. it was explained last meeting i believe, and the details are on that wiki link as well [14:09] jiboumans: sorry, missed last meeting [14:09] * gnuyoga waves [14:09] kirkland: np, that's what the minutes are for ;) [14:09] kirkland, mathiaz: any confusion, ttx and dholbach can explain [14:10] ok, moving on [14:10] [TOPIC] Check blueprint status and progress for the week [14:10] jiboumans: done [14:10] i'll copy a name of a blueprint to the chat. if you're hte assignee, please give us a quick 1 line update. 'all on track' is fine [14:10] server-lucid-canonical-application-support 74% done [14:11] (risks or blockers specifically highlighted please) [14:11] for those reading along at home, the overview of all our blueprints & progess for alpha2 is found here: http://piware.de/workitems/server/lucid-alpha2/report.html [14:12] waiting for the MIR team to get back to me [14:12] are we blocked until then? [14:12] yeah [14:12] do we have an eta from them? [14:12] im going to being poking people today [14:12] no eta yet [14:13] can you please follow up on that? somewhere this week seems reasonable iirc [14:13] of course [14:13] thanks [14:13] next one: server-lucid-eucalyptus-karmic-retrospective 64% done [14:13] ttx: ^ [14:13] on track - blocker is the ML implementation [14:14] jiboumans: ttx: code published, which was part of that one! :-) [14:14] yay [14:14] i've bumped the prio on that and IS is working on it. ACTION on me to follow up some more [14:14] kirkland++ ttx++ nice [14:14] next one: server-lucid-eucalyptus-merging-and-packaging 61% done [14:14] eucalyptus++ [14:14] jiboumans: looking good [14:15] jiboumans: blocker now is getting eucalyptus working [14:15] jiboumans: unstable toolchain introduced some breakage [14:15] jiboumans: gotta love java fun [14:15] kirkland: always fun; we're on top of this with the euca guys right? [14:15] "java -- write once, run ... away screaming" [14:15] lol [14:15] jiboumans: yeah, we're on it, private emails right now, until the ML gets setup ... kinda clunky [14:16] "write once, never package" [14:16] i'm glad at least some language has a worse rep here than perl... [14:16] ok, moving on [14:16] smoser: server-lucid-cloud-krd 56% done [14:16] * kirkland loves perl :-) [14:16] on track. really good except for opened bug mentioned above [14:16] everybody loves perl. [14:16] silly perl [14:16] heh, ok excellent [14:16] (on both accounts ;) [14:17] server-lucid-euca2ools 50% done [14:17] and that is inprogress. Hopefully will have something to play with by next week [14:17] jjohansen++ and thanks to the kernel team for picking this stuff up quickly [14:17] jiboumans, i'll respond for euca2ools. i think "on track". [14:18] jiboumans: i plan on picking up euca2ools in January [14:18] smoser: we have a decision to make still on 2 work items at the bottom of hte spec [14:18] jiboumans: as i'm working on euca-packaging, which is currently rated at a higher priority [14:18] jiboumans: i suggest those for discussion items during tomorrow's call [14:19] kirkland: the 2 open items are on our plate to decide on [14:19] no longer related to eucalyptus. we can either implement them in eucatools ourselves, or in xc2 [14:19] jiboumans: okay [14:19] smoser: i take it you need a bit longer to make that call? [14:19] jiboumans: gotcha; should we discuss here? now? later? [14:20] jiboumans, neither of those is a real big deal. one way or another xc2 will be getting 'region' through. and same with "environment varialble consistency" (which i have to look at that bug some on) [14:20] smoser: ok, no rush in getting it sorted today. thanks for the update [14:20] so if euca2ools says "no absolutely not" to region (which i think is silly), i dont care all that much [14:20] s/think is silly/think would be short-sited/ [14:20] smoser: as dicussed; they're happy to take the patch, but we'll have to write it [14:21] so that call's on our plate [14:21] moving on. mathiaz: server-lucid-seeds 47% done [14:22] on track [14:22] zul: is looking after MRI [14:22] zul: MRI's on track as well? [14:22] MIR were done yesterday [14:22] while I'm working on the list of packages to promote/demote [14:22] zul++ faster than a speeding bullet [14:22] mathiaz: welcome back ;) [14:22] ok, next one. ttx: server-lucid-euca-remote-autoregister 21% [14:23] that one's behind the curve on the burndown chart right now [14:23] in progress -- hope to be able to commit some of the scripts this week [14:23] it conflicts with 1.6.2 merging [14:24] resource wise? [14:24] i.e. difficult to commit new things until 1.6.2 [14:24] lands [14:24] s/lands/works [14:24] ttx: hmm, you can commit against 1.6.2 now [14:24] understood; are we under any pressure to meet our goal here for alpha2 yet? [14:24] kirkland: rigth, but not test [14:24] ttx: i've pushed that to ~ubuntu-core-dev/eucalyptus/ubuntu [14:24] ttx: right, it is hard to test, i grant that [14:25] it's also a resource problem. the time spent debugging 1.6.2 is not spent writing that stuff [14:25] kirkland: is UEC supposed to work in alpha-1? [14:25] i.e. I planned to land most of it today, but didn't [14:25] jiboumans: really, the pressure right now, IMHO, is having a running eucalyptus -- a lot of other work items are dependent on that [14:25] mathiaz: it works [14:25] mathiaz: it's eucalyptus 1.6.1 in alpha1 -- it worked for me [14:25] mathiaz: the big changes come in 1.6.2 [14:25] and it still works. [14:26] kirkland: let me rephrase: given the time left, with a working eucalyptus at the end of the week, can we still make all the work items by alpha2 [14:26] jiboumans: yes [14:26] jiboumans: yes [14:26] ok, awesome [14:26] moving on. mathiaz: server-lucid-uec-testing 12% done [14:26] jiboumans: on-track [14:26] jiboumans: working on this for now. [14:27] The hardware status is defered IIUC [14:27] mathiaz: you're getting in touch with the montreal guys, right? [14:27] jiboumans: yes [14:28] jiboumans: I'll threaten them with poutine bombing if they don't comply with my wishes [14:28] mathiaz: excellent. ttx verified that the multiple-network setup won't land in eucalyptus still around alpha2, so it's ok not to plan for those tests by alpha2, but for right after [14:28] mathiaz: ick [14:28] mathiaz: please cc: me on that ;) [14:28] alright, moving on. zul: server-lucid-landscape-refresh 0% done [14:28] starting tomorrow [14:28] i know this is pending a landscape drop. [14:28] jiboumans: ok - so I'll focus on single network only until alpha2 [14:29] zul: we got the code drop from them, and accounts are setup? [14:29] jiboumans: no code drops, accounts are setup though [14:29] zul: code drop for tomorrow confirmed though? [14:29] jiboumans: confirming with the landscape guys now [14:30] thanks [14:30] zul: there is a pending sru for landscape in interpid as well [14:30] zul: are you also following that one? [14:30] mathiaz: ill take a look [14:30] zul: I'd ask free about it [14:30] mathiaz: will do [14:30] zul: please flag if code drop does'nt happen this week [14:31] ok, and to wrap up: not discussing the following specs, as they are not planned to be started yet: [14:31] server-lucid-ec2-config not started [14:31] server-lucid-ec2-boothooks not started [14:31] jiboumans, i will make significant progress on those charts for boothooks today [14:31] smoser: that'd be most excellent [14:31] for config, i guess that i'm getting some help from zul or mathiaz i welcome either. [14:32] smoser: mathiaz will take care of kicking off ec2-config [14:32] ok. [14:32] another reminder: Work item to burndown chart syntax got updated, please check your blueprints: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WorkItemsHowto#Subcycle%20tracking [14:32] anything more on blue prints? [14:33] alright, next topic [14:33] [TOPIC] Assigned and to-be-assigned bugs: http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/team-assigned/canonical-server-assigned-bug-tasks.html [14:33] ttx, the floor is yours [14:33] * ttx hugs the 3 machines he just received for euca testing [14:33] \o/ [14:33] ttx++ dell++ [14:34] Nothing assigned to team needing reassignment [14:34] zul, kirkland: does the list reflect accurately things that you intend to work on in a near future, or is there still some noise ? [14:35] ttx: let me check [14:36] everyone: do you need to report blocing issues on any of those bugs ? [14:36] ttx: yeah the samba dhcp lease is more of a dhcp problem [14:36] ttx: there's some noise [14:36] blocking [14:36] ttx: i'll make sure that list is accurate [14:36] kirkland: cool, that will help us in reviewing it, thx [14:36] In Universe, courier is still in real need of attention. It has a fair userbase and I still don't have time to look at it. [14:36] ttx: i could probably use some help with ecryptfs-in-ubuntu stuff, since it sounds like i'm not officially working on that any more [14:36] ScottK: What issues? [14:37] ttx: perhaps we need some help from the security and/or foundations team identifying an owner [14:37] kirkland: yes, we do [14:37] ttx: can you and/or jiboumans help with that? [14:38] Daviey: From the bug reports there still seem to be problems with installability. It needs a good bug triage to start. [14:38] jiboumans: you take care of that ? [14:38] ttx: i was about to volunteer you :) who'd be a good person to contact for this? [14:38] jiboumans: robbiew [14:39] jiboumans: or kees [14:39] jiboumans: we'd need to negotiate this with robbie [14:39] kirkland: are we in a need to do this before the end of the year? [14:39] jiboumans: not urgently [14:39] jiboumans: but definitely within the Lucid cycle [14:39] ok, then [ACTION] jib [14:39] jiboumans: basically, if I'm not fixing ecryptfs bugs in Ubuntu, no one is [14:40] jiboumans: in each previous cycle, I had at least a little bit of dedicated time to doing so [14:40] jiboumans: it's a 10-20% job [14:40] jiboumans: half-day per week is probably sufficient [14:41] kirkland: understood. zul please action me accordingly [14:41] due somewhere in january [14:41] okie dokie [14:41] ok, nothing else on the buglist ? [14:42] jiboumans: next on the agenda ? [14:42] [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (soren) [14:42] soren is off making snow angels though, so no update from him [14:42] [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (jjohansen) [14:42] heh [14:43] well not much progress, I took a few days off last week [14:43] jjohansen: snow angels? [14:43] I started poking at the configs [14:43] snow angels? didn't get any snow in Portland [14:44] though it was unusually cold [14:44] I don't think the kernel team has any question atm [14:44] jjohansen: great, thanks [14:44] any questions from us for the kernel team? [14:45] not from me [14:45] alright, next topic [14:45] [TOPIC] Weekly SRU review (mathiaz) [14:45] there is one bug nominated for dapper: [14:45] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/samba/+bug/128612 [14:45] zul: seems that you've commented on it lately [14:46] Ubuntu bug 128612 in samba "Segfault in Samba installing a printer on a client" [Undecided,Fix released] [14:46] gah that fell off my list [14:46] should we consider fixing it in a SRU for dapper? [14:46] is there a SRU review llist link ? [14:46] smoser: what do you mean exactly? [14:47] smoser: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/KnowledgeBase#Team%20policy has a list of lists to review [14:47] thats what i wanted then. [14:47] next list: http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-server-team/fixedbugs.ubuntu-server.latest.html [14:47] any bugs worth SRUing that were fixed last week? ^^ [14:48] mathiaz: hmm, i'm not convinced that lp url is catching them all. [14:48] Daviey: yes - I know [14:48] smoser: link added to agenda [14:49] Daviey: I think I'll have to write custom scripts to make sure we get all nominated bugs [14:49] http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-server-team/acceptedbugs.ubuntu-server.latest.html [14:49] LINK received: http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-server-team/acceptedbugs.ubuntu-server.latest.html [14:49] ^^ list of accepted bugs [14:49] there is bug http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-server-team/acceptedbugs.ubuntu-server.latest.html [14:49] mathiaz: i'll be quiet now :).. [14:49] there is bug 114505 [14:49] assigned to the ubuntu-server team [14:50] it should be assigned to some one rather than a team [14:50] and the list of reviews is empty [14:51] which means that either there isn't SRU done, or that bzr branches and reviews are not used enough [14:51] I also plan to update some of the scripts to put more information (like how long a bug has been assigned) with the goal to make sure things are moving in the pipeline [14:52] anything else to add on the SRU review? [14:52] Launchpad bug 114505 in ntp "ntp brought up before network is ready; fails not resolve any ip or host names; ntp does not recover" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/114505 [14:52] alright, moving on then [14:53] [TOPIC] Conference attendance 2010 (jib) [14:53] we're prepping an overview of what conferences people are attending in 2010. if you're planned to go anywhere [14:53] please let me & randa know [14:53] jiboumans: are these requests for conferences that we can make? [14:54] FOSDEM :) [14:54] jiboumans: planned to go to FOSDEM, got a main track slot there... but cancelled it due to conflict with sprint [14:54] kirkland: nope, confirmed attendances [14:54] i'm interested in requests too though, so send me both :) [14:54] heh im planning to go to OLS but its not in ottawa [14:54] jiboumans: k [14:54] jiboumans: i'm going to linuxconf.au in January, but randa knows that already ( I think you do too? ) [14:55] so ACTION for next week for you kids to send me and randa an overview of all that you've got planned for the next year [14:55] jiboumans: that's gonna be sooooo long [14:55] kirkland: one email wiht a list would be great, it'd make randa's life easier [14:56] jiboumans: cheers [14:56] alright, last topic [14:56] [TOPIC] Open Discussion [14:56] anyone, anything? [14:56] jiboumans: does YAPC::EU count for last item? ;) [14:57] * ttx opens his Christmas presents [14:57] * zul is working on fcoe packaging today [14:57] More Ubuntu tips needed for the tips project, urgently :) [14:57] Daviey: i believe you have a wiki page where tips can be contributed? want to share the url once more? [14:58] jiboumans: It's now a case of raise a bug against the ubuntu-server-tips project on LP [14:58] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/server-tips [14:59] kablooie === nixternal is now known as Guest25223 === txwikinger2 is now known as txwikinger === elky is now known as Guest8433 === Pendulum_ is now known as Pendulum === Guest47574 is now known as alsroot [16:57] * fagan waves [16:57] * ara waves [16:57] Hi all .o/ [16:57] * fader_ waves. [16:58] * moustafa waves [16:58] * bdmurray waves [16:58] hola! [16:59] This may be a difficult meeting with the netsplits going on... [16:59] true [16:59] fader_ let's see how it holds up [16:59] hello see how long we can run it [16:59] last night we moved to #ubuntu-meeting on irc.oftc.net [17:00] #startmeeting QA Team [17:00] marjo, There is already a meeting in progress. [17:00] was much more sane [17:00] Yeah, looks like the foundations team cancelled their meeting [17:00] (Though I don't know what MootBot is confused about) [17:00] meh they haven't been able to stop the bot [17:01] ok i'm ignoring mootbot [17:01] fader_: might not of shut it down [17:01] Agenda [17:01] # SRU testing -- sbeattie (Steve Beattie) [17:01] # Bugday highlights -- pedro [17:01] # [17:01] Future of Ubuntu QA Launchpad team (https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-qa) -- ara [17:01] # Calls for testing: mailing list or "Contact This Team" -- ara [17:01] # Holidays season meetings [17:02] [TOPIC] SRU testing -- sbeattie (Steve Beattie) [17:02] SRU Activity report for the past week (since 2009-12-09): [17:02] * karmic: 21 new packages in -proposed, and 14 packages pushed to -updates. [17:02] * jaunty: 3 new packages in -proposed (squirrelmail, xfce4-weather-plugin, xvidcap), and no packages pushed to -updates [17:02] *intrepid: 3 new packages in -proposed (openafs, squirrelmail, xfce4-weather-plugin), and no packages pushed to -proposed [17:02] * hardy: 7 new packages in -proposed (alpine, grub, linux-backports-modules-2.6.24, linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24, squirrelmail, virtualbox-ose-modules, xfce4-weather-plugin) and 1 pushed to -updates (virtualbox-ose-modules) [17:02] * dapper: no non-security update activity this week [17:02] Thanks to felipe, Savvas Radevic, Lucio M Nicolosi, lhassall, ilna, Alessio Treglia, Nico Zanferrari, Ilya Barygin, kallistec, Daniel Nurmi, Vadim Peretokin, ubername, Fabrice Coutadeur, C de-Avillez (hggdh), patmalcolm91, LocutusOfBorg, Augusto Campos, JanCeuleers, Hendrik T, Thawn, oliver, Rolf Leggewie, Alex, John Reiser, Evan Broder (ebroder), rednose, Onkar Shinde (slytherin), Liassic, behemot, defunctzombie, and Bane fo [17:02] r testing packages in -proposed this week. [17:03] wow, nice testing team! thx everyone! [17:03] Yeah, lot of testers, lots of activity this last week. [17:04] * Grantbow cheers [17:04] sbeattie: anything else? [17:04] that's all I've got this week. [17:04] [TOPIC] Bugday highlights -- pedro [17:04] Last week we celebrated a bug day based on Compiz, we had a great participation from the community [17:04] looks like mootbot is dead [17:04] ~133 bugs were triaged : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20091210 [17:05] thanks a lot to kamusin, ben-v-root, marcosvanetta, gabegorelick, yofel and AbtZ [17:05] for their participation on the bug day and also helping to organize it [17:05] Tomorrow! yes tomorrow, we're having a bug day based on Bugs without a package [17:06] the target is considered one of the easiest for doing triage [17:06] so if you want to start doing some triage join us and we'll help you [17:06] as you can see here : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20091217 ; some folks already started to work [17:06] thx folks [17:06] so if you have some time, you're welcome to join us :-) [17:07] * yofel joins in ^^ [17:07] thanks also to kamusin again for helping or organizing the bug day [17:07] looks like the new process for organizing bug days is working well [17:07] * pedro_ hugs yofel [17:07] marjo, yeah i'm happy now :-) [17:07] pedro_ anything else? [17:07] * kamusin :), I would like a nice present from santa [17:07] marjo, that's all from here [17:08] nice, netsplit [17:08] good job pedro_ [17:08] w00t [17:08] yay! [17:08] hehe [17:08] who turned off the server? [17:08] it kicked marjo [17:08] fagan did it i'm sure... [17:09] its the us server playing up again [17:10] should we continue ? [17:12] fagan: I dunno, I'm in no position to decide [17:12] What was next on the agenda? [17:12] * fagan gos to get it [17:13] future of qa launchpad team [17:13] ara: you still with us? [17:16] yay [17:16] netspit over for now [17:16] welcome back marjo you didnt miss anything === unimix_ is now known as unimix [17:16] hmmmmm [17:16] fagan: i've decided to cancel the meeting [17:16] cool [17:17] sorry [17:17] its too bad at the moment [17:17] when will the next meeting be held ? === elky is now known as Guest7704 [17:18] ashishnarmen: thats what the last agenda item was about [17:18] ashishnarmen, we were thinking coming back after holidays [17:19] marjo: take the key points to the mailing list it might be easier [17:20] davmor2: that seems sensible to me. [17:21] agreed [17:21] marjo: especially the meetings over xmas [17:24] davmor2: yes, i'll update the wik [17:24] wiki [17:24] marjo: we moved some of yesterdays meetings to oftc.net on #ubuntu-meeting [17:25] and left the topic in here to point to people to go there [17:27] I'm sure Freenode is doing all they can to assure their quality. :-) [17:28] czajkowski: thx for the info [17:28] Grantbow: we are [17:41] Kubuntu meeting in 20 minutes in #kubuntu-devel on irc.oftc.net [17:42] ulysses__: you may want to get teh topic in here switched to announce it [17:43] czajkowski: I can't change the topic, can anyone do it please? [17:44] ulysses__: hmm popey you about [17:44] pleia2: ping [17:45] hm? [17:46] pleia2: can you change the topic for ulysses__ for meeting [17:46] oh, on oftc? [17:46] in here [17:46]