StevenLiu | Hi | 01:23 |
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StevenLiu | is there hava a UNR src tar ? | 01:24 |
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Lantizia | Hey will we see Ubuntu Mobile on the N900 eventually? | 11:16 |
Lantizia | I notice theres Ubuntu MID for McCaslin and Menlow types of devices... not sure what exactly they are | 11:17 |
Lantizia | hmm UMPC's | 11:17 |
persia | It's a bit of a complicated set of questions you've asked. | 11:30 |
persia | So, there's been some confusion and changes related to "Ubuntu Mobile" | 11:30 |
persia | So the ubuntu-mid project is mostly gone. | 11:30 |
Lantizia | ah :S | 11:30 |
persia | Some of the goals are being taken over by the lubuntu and liquid efforts. | 11:30 |
persia | No, it's a good thing. | 11:31 |
Lantizia | So LXDE on an armel compiled ubuntu on my N900 ? | 11:31 |
Lantizia | sounds V nice :D | 11:31 |
persia | The "Ubuntu MID" effort was a bunch of hacks to kinda make some hacked hildon stuff work badly. | 11:31 |
persia | And lots of it was also architecture-specific. | 11:31 |
persia | Replacing it with focused projects trying to accomplish specific UI goals, and separating that from the hardware efforts should result in a better overall solution. | 11:32 |
persia | Unfortunately, it means that right now, things are a bit of a muddle. | 11:32 |
persia | Right. | 11:32 |
Lantizia | well see Mer got something out of it | 11:32 |
persia | So, Ubuntu tries to compile *everything* for all the available architectures. | 11:32 |
Lantizia | Badly | 11:32 |
persia | And the lubuntu folk are focusing on application set and integration of an lxde environment for *any* architecture. | 11:32 |
persia | So, assuming that both efforts work, you'll end up being able to do as you describe. | 11:33 |
persia | Badly? | 11:33 |
Lantizia | Yeah, the LXDE folks do that with Debian too | 11:33 |
Lantizia | Yeah if Ubuntu was on a mission to run on every type of machine... they'd keep the same types of where they're forking from... Debian | 11:33 |
Lantizia | Not i386... amd64 only | 11:34 |
persia | My apologies: I was unclear. | 11:34 |
Lantizia | But anyway! | 11:34 |
persia | The goal is *not* to run on any machine. Debian is the universal OS. | 11:34 |
Lantizia | Yeah :D | 11:34 |
persia | But Ubuntu does work on i386, amd64, powerpc, armel, sparc, and ia64. | 11:34 |
Lantizia | but only officially supports i386 and amd64 | 11:34 |
persia | Well, what does "support" mean :) | 11:35 |
persia | At least I personally use amd64, powerpc, and armel, and use systems that rely on sparc working. | 11:35 |
Lantizia | i.e. advertised on the main site and they're paid canonical developers can be arsed with | 11:35 |
persia | Yeah, well. | 11:35 |
Lantizia | hehe :D | 11:35 |
Lantizia | Anyway were a bit off topic | 11:36 |
persia | So, back to the topic. | 11:36 |
persia | Big issues you'll have today with your goal: | 11:36 |
persia | 1) the lubuntu stuff in karmic wasn't as polished as we'd like. It should be better for lucid, but it's early for lucid. | 11:36 |
persia | IF you're up for helping with UI integration and stuff, this is a good thing, but if you just want an installed system, you may do better to wait. | 11:37 |
Lantizia | Yeah LXDE wasn't ready for 9.10 I know | 11:37 |
Lantizia | But should be for 10.04 LTS | 11:37 |
persia | 2) I'm not sure if there are open N900 kernels that support everything, and I am sure that none of the kernels currently in Ubuntu support the N900. | 11:37 |
persia | Userspace should be fine (although if you encounter issues, the folks in #ubuntu-arm can probably help troubleshoot, or if you're the type, you can help them to get them fixed :) ) | 11:38 |
persia | I doubt that the lxde stack will end up being LTS for 10.04. | 11:38 |
persia | Might be, but that requires enough developers still wanting to maintain it after 18 months to keep doing so, and last I checked the lxde folk in Ubuntu didn't seem large enough to both create a new release every 18 months *and* support LTS releases. | 11:39 |
persia | Mind you, the core of Ubuntu will be LTS, but it wouldn't surprise me if some LXDE-specific bugs just didn't get fixed, or some LXDE-specific packages just didn't get the long-term support. | 11:39 |
Lantizia | I have very little faith in the LTS releases being bug free never mind the other releases hehe | 11:42 |
Lantizia | I use ubuntu for it's up to date packages... not stability hehe | 11:43 |
persia | No code is bug free. | 11:43 |
Lantizia | Oh sure I know that | 11:43 |
Lantizia | I just wouldn't install Ubuntu on like a server or anything | 11:43 |
persia | Even something simple like void main (argc, **argv) { printf("Hello World\n");} contains heaps of bugs. | 11:44 |
persia | I use it on a server every day: it depends on which bugs affect you :) | 11:44 |
Lantizia | Your certainly a talkative one | 11:44 |
Lantizia | So Ubuntu MID on N900... not planned, not done | 11:44 |
persia | Yeah, well. | 11:44 |
Lantizia | OK | 11:44 |
persia | Last I heard, there were issues with kernels for Nokia devices. | 11:45 |
persia | There's some people who do stuff on babbage boards, which have nearly the same chip as some of the Nokia handhelds. | 11:45 |
persia | But that's a bit different. | 11:45 |
persia | I suppose it could be done, but someone would have to do it. | 11:45 |
persia | And there's limits to what can be done entirely within Ubuntu (like the issues the Mer folk had in trying to find a way to make Mer libgtk compatible with Ubuntu libgtk and not break other use cases). | 11:46 |
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Lantizia | Should ARM packages work on an armel distro/device? | 16:45 |
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r0k3tm3n | any success running a mobile image on a Asus EEE 701? | 22:26 |
persia | Lantizia: packages compiled for armel should work on an armel device with sufficient processor support (ARMv5 for 9.04, ARMv6+vfp for 9.10, ARMv7+ for lucid). No promises they work with any other ARM distro (Ubuntu only seeks source compatibility, not binary compatibility) | 23:33 |
persia | r0k3tm3n: There hasn't been a "Mobile" image since 7.10 (gutsy). I suspect that some subset of the netbook or MID images ought to work, and perhaps even the 8.10 UMPC image (although that is nearing end-of-life). | 23:35 |
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