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StevenLiuHi01:23
StevenLiuis there hava a UNR src tar ?01:24
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LantiziaHey will we see Ubuntu Mobile on the N900 eventually?11:16
LantiziaI notice theres Ubuntu MID for McCaslin and Menlow types of devices... not sure what exactly they are11:17
Lantiziahmm UMPC's11:17
persiaIt's a bit of a complicated set of questions you've asked.11:30
persiaSo, there's been some confusion and changes related to "Ubuntu Mobile"11:30
persiaSo the ubuntu-mid project is mostly gone.11:30
Lantiziaah :S11:30
persiaSome of the goals are being taken over by the lubuntu and liquid efforts.11:30
persiaNo, it's a good thing.11:31
LantiziaSo LXDE on an armel compiled ubuntu on my N900 ?11:31
Lantiziasounds V nice :D11:31
persiaThe "Ubuntu MID" effort was a bunch of hacks to kinda make some hacked hildon stuff work badly.11:31
persiaAnd lots of it was also architecture-specific.11:31
persiaReplacing it with focused projects trying to accomplish specific UI goals, and separating that from the hardware efforts should result in a better overall solution.11:32
persiaUnfortunately, it means that right now, things are a bit of a muddle.11:32
persiaRight.11:32
Lantiziawell see Mer got something out of it11:32
persiaSo, Ubuntu tries to compile *everything* for all the available architectures.11:32
LantiziaBadly11:32
persiaAnd the lubuntu folk are focusing on application set and integration of an lxde environment for *any* architecture.11:32
persiaSo, assuming that both efforts work, you'll end up being able to do as you describe.11:33
persiaBadly?11:33
LantiziaYeah, the LXDE folks do that with Debian too11:33
LantiziaYeah if Ubuntu was on a mission to run on every type of machine... they'd keep the same types of where they're forking from... Debian11:33
LantiziaNot i386... amd64 only11:34
persiaMy apologies: I was unclear.11:34
LantiziaBut anyway!11:34
persiaThe goal is *not* to run on any machine.  Debian is the universal OS.11:34
LantiziaYeah :D11:34
persiaBut Ubuntu does work on i386, amd64, powerpc, armel, sparc, and ia64.11:34
Lantiziabut only officially supports i386 and amd6411:34
persiaWell, what does "support" mean :)11:35
persiaAt least I personally use amd64, powerpc, and armel, and use systems that rely on sparc working.11:35
Lantiziai.e. advertised on the main site and they're paid canonical developers can be arsed with11:35
persiaYeah, well.11:35
Lantiziahehe :D11:35
LantiziaAnyway were a bit off topic11:36
persiaSo, back to the topic.11:36
persiaBig issues you'll have today with your goal:11:36
persia1) the lubuntu stuff in karmic wasn't as polished as we'd like.  It should be better for lucid, but it's early for lucid.11:36
persiaIF you're up for helping with UI integration and stuff, this is a good thing, but if you just want an installed system, you may do better to wait.11:37
LantiziaYeah LXDE wasn't ready for 9.10 I know11:37
LantiziaBut should be for 10.04 LTS11:37
persia2) I'm not sure if there are open N900 kernels that support everything, and I am sure that none of the kernels currently in Ubuntu support the N900.11:37
persiaUserspace should be fine (although if you encounter issues, the folks in #ubuntu-arm can probably help troubleshoot, or if you're the type, you can help them to get them fixed :) )11:38
persiaI doubt that the lxde stack will end up being LTS for 10.04.11:38
persiaMight be, but that requires enough developers still wanting to maintain it after 18 months to keep doing so, and last I checked the lxde folk in Ubuntu didn't seem large enough to both create a new release every 18 months *and* support LTS releases.11:39
persiaMind you, the core of Ubuntu will be LTS, but it wouldn't surprise me if some LXDE-specific bugs just didn't get fixed, or some LXDE-specific packages just didn't get the long-term support.11:39
LantiziaI have very little faith in the LTS releases being bug free never mind the other releases hehe11:42
LantiziaI use ubuntu for it's up to date packages... not stability hehe11:43
persiaNo code is bug free.11:43
LantiziaOh sure I know that11:43
LantiziaI just wouldn't install Ubuntu on like a server or anything11:43
persiaEven something simple like void main (argc, **argv) { printf("Hello World\n");} contains heaps of bugs.11:44
persiaI use it on a server every day: it depends on which bugs affect you :)11:44
LantiziaYour certainly a talkative one11:44
LantiziaSo Ubuntu MID on N900... not planned, not done11:44
persiaYeah, well.11:44
LantiziaOK11:44
persiaLast I heard, there were issues with kernels for Nokia devices.11:45
persiaThere's some people who do stuff on babbage boards, which have nearly the same chip as some of the Nokia handhelds.11:45
persiaBut that's a bit different.11:45
persiaI suppose it could be done, but someone would have to do it.11:45
persiaAnd there's limits to what can be done entirely within Ubuntu (like the issues the Mer folk had in trying to find a way to make Mer libgtk compatible with Ubuntu libgtk and not break other use cases).11:46
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LantiziaShould ARM packages work on an armel distro/device?16:45
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r0k3tm3nany success running a mobile image on a Asus EEE 701?22:26
persiaLantizia: packages compiled for armel should work on an armel device with sufficient processor support (ARMv5 for 9.04, ARMv6+vfp for 9.10, ARMv7+ for lucid).  No promises they work with any other ARM distro (Ubuntu only seeks source compatibility, not binary compatibility)23:33
persiar0k3tm3n: There hasn't been a "Mobile" image since 7.10 (gutsy).  I suspect that some subset of the netbook or MID images ought to work, and perhaps even the 8.10 UMPC image (although that is nearing end-of-life).23:35

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