[01:23] Hi [01:24] is there hava a UNR src tar ? === asac_ is now known as asac === StevenK_ is now known as StevenK [11:16] Hey will we see Ubuntu Mobile on the N900 eventually? [11:17] I notice theres Ubuntu MID for McCaslin and Menlow types of devices... not sure what exactly they are [11:17] hmm UMPC's [11:30] It's a bit of a complicated set of questions you've asked. [11:30] So, there's been some confusion and changes related to "Ubuntu Mobile" [11:30] So the ubuntu-mid project is mostly gone. [11:30] ah :S [11:30] Some of the goals are being taken over by the lubuntu and liquid efforts. [11:31] No, it's a good thing. [11:31] So LXDE on an armel compiled ubuntu on my N900 ? [11:31] sounds V nice :D [11:31] The "Ubuntu MID" effort was a bunch of hacks to kinda make some hacked hildon stuff work badly. [11:31] And lots of it was also architecture-specific. [11:32] Replacing it with focused projects trying to accomplish specific UI goals, and separating that from the hardware efforts should result in a better overall solution. [11:32] Unfortunately, it means that right now, things are a bit of a muddle. [11:32] Right. [11:32] well see Mer got something out of it [11:32] So, Ubuntu tries to compile *everything* for all the available architectures. [11:32] Badly [11:32] And the lubuntu folk are focusing on application set and integration of an lxde environment for *any* architecture. [11:33] So, assuming that both efforts work, you'll end up being able to do as you describe. [11:33] Badly? [11:33] Yeah, the LXDE folks do that with Debian too [11:33] Yeah if Ubuntu was on a mission to run on every type of machine... they'd keep the same types of where they're forking from... Debian [11:34] Not i386... amd64 only [11:34] My apologies: I was unclear. [11:34] But anyway! [11:34] The goal is *not* to run on any machine. Debian is the universal OS. [11:34] Yeah :D [11:34] But Ubuntu does work on i386, amd64, powerpc, armel, sparc, and ia64. [11:34] but only officially supports i386 and amd64 [11:35] Well, what does "support" mean :) [11:35] At least I personally use amd64, powerpc, and armel, and use systems that rely on sparc working. [11:35] i.e. advertised on the main site and they're paid canonical developers can be arsed with [11:35] Yeah, well. [11:35] hehe :D [11:36] Anyway were a bit off topic [11:36] So, back to the topic. [11:36] Big issues you'll have today with your goal: [11:36] 1) the lubuntu stuff in karmic wasn't as polished as we'd like. It should be better for lucid, but it's early for lucid. [11:37] IF you're up for helping with UI integration and stuff, this is a good thing, but if you just want an installed system, you may do better to wait. [11:37] Yeah LXDE wasn't ready for 9.10 I know [11:37] But should be for 10.04 LTS [11:37] 2) I'm not sure if there are open N900 kernels that support everything, and I am sure that none of the kernels currently in Ubuntu support the N900. [11:38] Userspace should be fine (although if you encounter issues, the folks in #ubuntu-arm can probably help troubleshoot, or if you're the type, you can help them to get them fixed :) ) [11:38] I doubt that the lxde stack will end up being LTS for 10.04. [11:39] Might be, but that requires enough developers still wanting to maintain it after 18 months to keep doing so, and last I checked the lxde folk in Ubuntu didn't seem large enough to both create a new release every 18 months *and* support LTS releases. [11:39] Mind you, the core of Ubuntu will be LTS, but it wouldn't surprise me if some LXDE-specific bugs just didn't get fixed, or some LXDE-specific packages just didn't get the long-term support. [11:42] I have very little faith in the LTS releases being bug free never mind the other releases hehe [11:43] I use ubuntu for it's up to date packages... not stability hehe [11:43] No code is bug free. [11:43] Oh sure I know that [11:43] I just wouldn't install Ubuntu on like a server or anything [11:44] Even something simple like void main (argc, **argv) { printf("Hello World\n");} contains heaps of bugs. [11:44] I use it on a server every day: it depends on which bugs affect you :) [11:44] Your certainly a talkative one [11:44] So Ubuntu MID on N900... not planned, not done [11:44] Yeah, well. [11:44] OK [11:45] Last I heard, there were issues with kernels for Nokia devices. [11:45] There's some people who do stuff on babbage boards, which have nearly the same chip as some of the Nokia handhelds. [11:45] But that's a bit different. [11:45] I suppose it could be done, but someone would have to do it. [11:46] And there's limits to what can be done entirely within Ubuntu (like the issues the Mer folk had in trying to find a way to make Mer libgtk compatible with Ubuntu libgtk and not break other use cases). === jb-laptop is now known as JamieBennett === dmart is now known as Guest63651 === dmart_ is now known as dmart === dmart is now known as Guest38535 === dmart is now known as Guest13907 [16:45] Should ARM packages work on an armel distro/device? === dmart is now known as Guest57921 === NCommander is now known as Guest36380 === Guest36380 is now known as NCommander [22:26] any success running a mobile image on a Asus EEE 701? [23:33] Lantizia: packages compiled for armel should work on an armel device with sufficient processor support (ARMv5 for 9.04, ARMv6+vfp for 9.10, ARMv7+ for lucid). No promises they work with any other ARM distro (Ubuntu only seeks source compatibility, not binary compatibility) [23:35] r0k3tm3n: There hasn't been a "Mobile" image since 7.10 (gutsy). I suspect that some subset of the netbook or MID images ought to work, and perhaps even the 8.10 UMPC image (although that is nearing end-of-life).