[01:23] <StevenLiu> Hi
[01:24] <StevenLiu> is there hava a UNR src tar ?
[11:16] <Lantizia> Hey will we see Ubuntu Mobile on the N900 eventually?
[11:17] <Lantizia> I notice theres Ubuntu MID for McCaslin and Menlow types of devices... not sure what exactly they are
[11:17] <Lantizia> hmm UMPC's
[11:30] <persia> It's a bit of a complicated set of questions you've asked.
[11:30] <persia> So, there's been some confusion and changes related to "Ubuntu Mobile"
[11:30] <persia> So the ubuntu-mid project is mostly gone.
[11:30] <Lantizia> ah :S
[11:30] <persia> Some of the goals are being taken over by the lubuntu and liquid efforts.
[11:31] <persia> No, it's a good thing.
[11:31] <Lantizia> So LXDE on an armel compiled ubuntu on my N900 ?
[11:31] <Lantizia> sounds V nice :D
[11:31] <persia> The "Ubuntu MID" effort was a bunch of hacks to kinda make some hacked hildon stuff work badly.
[11:31] <persia> And lots of it was also architecture-specific.
[11:32] <persia> Replacing it with focused projects trying to accomplish specific UI goals, and separating that from the hardware efforts should result in a better overall solution.
[11:32] <persia> Unfortunately, it means that right now, things are a bit of a muddle.
[11:32] <persia> Right.
[11:32] <Lantizia> well see Mer got something out of it
[11:32] <persia> So, Ubuntu tries to compile *everything* for all the available architectures.
[11:32] <Lantizia> Badly
[11:32] <persia> And the lubuntu folk are focusing on application set and integration of an lxde environment for *any* architecture.
[11:33] <persia> So, assuming that both efforts work, you'll end up being able to do as you describe.
[11:33] <persia> Badly?
[11:33] <Lantizia> Yeah, the LXDE folks do that with Debian too
[11:33] <Lantizia> Yeah if Ubuntu was on a mission to run on every type of machine... they'd keep the same types of where they're forking from... Debian
[11:34] <Lantizia> Not i386... amd64 only
[11:34] <persia> My apologies: I was unclear.
[11:34] <Lantizia> But anyway!
[11:34] <persia> The goal is *not* to run on any machine.  Debian is the universal OS.
[11:34] <Lantizia> Yeah :D
[11:34] <persia> But Ubuntu does work on i386, amd64, powerpc, armel, sparc, and ia64.
[11:34] <Lantizia> but only officially supports i386 and amd64
[11:35] <persia> Well, what does "support" mean :)
[11:35] <persia> At least I personally use amd64, powerpc, and armel, and use systems that rely on sparc working.
[11:35] <Lantizia> i.e. advertised on the main site and they're paid canonical developers can be arsed with
[11:35] <persia> Yeah, well.
[11:35] <Lantizia> hehe :D
[11:36] <Lantizia> Anyway were a bit off topic
[11:36] <persia> So, back to the topic.
[11:36] <persia> Big issues you'll have today with your goal:
[11:36] <persia> 1) the lubuntu stuff in karmic wasn't as polished as we'd like.  It should be better for lucid, but it's early for lucid.
[11:37] <persia> IF you're up for helping with UI integration and stuff, this is a good thing, but if you just want an installed system, you may do better to wait.
[11:37] <Lantizia> Yeah LXDE wasn't ready for 9.10 I know
[11:37] <Lantizia> But should be for 10.04 LTS
[11:37] <persia> 2) I'm not sure if there are open N900 kernels that support everything, and I am sure that none of the kernels currently in Ubuntu support the N900.
[11:38] <persia> Userspace should be fine (although if you encounter issues, the folks in #ubuntu-arm can probably help troubleshoot, or if you're the type, you can help them to get them fixed :) )
[11:38] <persia> I doubt that the lxde stack will end up being LTS for 10.04.
[11:39] <persia> Might be, but that requires enough developers still wanting to maintain it after 18 months to keep doing so, and last I checked the lxde folk in Ubuntu didn't seem large enough to both create a new release every 18 months *and* support LTS releases.
[11:39] <persia> Mind you, the core of Ubuntu will be LTS, but it wouldn't surprise me if some LXDE-specific bugs just didn't get fixed, or some LXDE-specific packages just didn't get the long-term support.
[11:42] <Lantizia> I have very little faith in the LTS releases being bug free never mind the other releases hehe
[11:43] <Lantizia> I use ubuntu for it's up to date packages... not stability hehe
[11:43] <persia> No code is bug free.
[11:43] <Lantizia> Oh sure I know that
[11:43] <Lantizia> I just wouldn't install Ubuntu on like a server or anything
[11:44] <persia> Even something simple like void main (argc, **argv) { printf("Hello World\n");} contains heaps of bugs.
[11:44] <persia> I use it on a server every day: it depends on which bugs affect you :)
[11:44] <Lantizia> Your certainly a talkative one
[11:44] <Lantizia> So Ubuntu MID on N900... not planned, not done
[11:44] <persia> Yeah, well.
[11:44] <Lantizia> OK
[11:45] <persia> Last I heard, there were issues with kernels for Nokia devices.
[11:45] <persia> There's some people who do stuff on babbage boards, which have nearly the same chip as some of the Nokia handhelds.
[11:45] <persia> But that's a bit different.
[11:45] <persia> I suppose it could be done, but someone would have to do it.
[11:46] <persia> And there's limits to what can be done entirely within Ubuntu (like the issues the Mer folk had in trying to find a way to make Mer libgtk compatible with Ubuntu libgtk and not break other use cases).
[16:45] <Lantizia> Should ARM packages work on an armel distro/device?
[22:26] <r0k3tm3n> any success running a mobile image on a Asus EEE 701?
[23:33] <persia> Lantizia: packages compiled for armel should work on an armel device with sufficient processor support (ARMv5 for 9.04, ARMv6+vfp for 9.10, ARMv7+ for lucid).  No promises they work with any other ARM distro (Ubuntu only seeks source compatibility, not binary compatibility)
[23:35] <persia> r0k3tm3n: There hasn't been a "Mobile" image since 7.10 (gutsy).  I suspect that some subset of the netbook or MID images ought to work, and perhaps even the 8.10 UMPC image (although that is nearing end-of-life).