| resno | never tried making something connect that way before. | 00:01 |
|---|---|---|
| resno | my terminal knowledge is murky on that | 00:01 |
| alex88 | wep or wpa? | 00:02 |
| resno | wpa | 00:02 |
| alex88 | static or dhcp address? | 00:02 |
| alex88 | resno: http://pastebin.com/m4dec0024 | 00:05 |
| resno | wow, thanks! | 00:05 |
| alex88 | np...=) | 00:05 |
| resno | didnt expect that | 00:06 |
| alex88 | uh..forgot to translate: Mettere un IP coerente con la vostra rete -> Insert an ip fitting your needs..=) | 00:06 |
| resno | what language is that? | 00:07 |
| alex88 | italian | 00:07 |
| arctic_import | is libnss-ldap broken in 9.10? I've installed and configured, when I run a getent passwd I don't see the machine even attempting to make an ldap connection to get the information. What could I be doing wrong? | 00:10 |
| alex88 | lol..i don't think they distribute unstable or broken packages, btw never used ldap or 9.10... | 00:11 |
| alex88 | (9.10 cause of my fucking vps hosting company...) -.- | 00:11 |
| alex88 | btw, going to bed...1:13 am here...cya tomorrow guys.. | 00:12 |
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| arctic_import | well I'm telling you it doesn't work. All my other Linux machines have no problems, yet the Ubuntu 9.10 machines can't do jack. | 00:13 |
| alex88[sleep] | arctic_import: i've said i don't think..=) not it's impossible...good luck so.. | 00:13 |
| pting | i've got a bunch of servers load balancing a website... is there a tool to consolidate log files from these various machines into one file/location? i was planning on rsyncing the files to an nfs share | 00:29 |
| sub | pting: rsyslog and various other remote syslogging packages | 00:51 |
| sub | there's also splunk | 00:51 |
| pting | sub, thx, i'll check them out | 00:52 |
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| pting | when running rsync as a daemon, does it sync up the files realtime? | 02:00 |
| X-M4-X | anyone have experience in net2ftp & ehcp? | 02:04 |
| pting | nvm... i'll just stick with non-daemon rsync cronjobs | 02:05 |
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| uvirtbot | New bug: #497087 in eucalyptus "Redundancy for cloud and cluster controller" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/497087 | 02:41 |
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| ChrisRut | Is BIND necessary if your domain registrar provides Full DNS control? Can't I just create A records on my Registrar and point them to the correct IP and call it aday? | 03:21 |
| ScottK | ChrisRut: Yes. | 03:23 |
| ChrisRut | ScottK: thanks | 03:24 |
| ChrisRut | BTW, how much resources does BIND use? | 03:24 |
| * ChrisRut woundering if this will help save some load on my VPS (webserver) | 03:24 | |
| fbdystang | Hey how can I find network manager for pptp after install? It is not in menus? | 03:25 |
| ScottK | ChrisRut: It depends a lot on the query load. DNS tends to be more I/O bound than CPU bound. | 03:26 |
| ChrisRut | fbdystang: try installing network-manager-pptp | 03:27 |
| ChrisRut | fbdystang: sudo apt-get install network-manager-pptp | 03:27 |
| fbdystang | ChrisRut: I did, but now i can't find the program to execute it | 03:28 |
| ChrisRut | ScottK: k, Thanks... Also what else does BIND do? Will I need to setup my MX records in my registrar aswell? | 03:28 |
| ScottK | ChrisRut: Yes. Any DNS records you publish. You'll also need to make sure your registrar points to their DNS servers as authoritative for your domain | 03:29 |
| ChrisRut | fbdystang: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VPN | 03:29 |
| ChrisRut | ScottK: hmm, beginning to think this might be more trouble then it's worth. | 03:30 |
| ScottK | That's generally my view about bind. | 03:30 |
| ChrisRut | fbdystang: have you looked in network-manager for this? I am not sure, I've never used pptp | 03:31 |
| ChrisRut | ScottK: your view being? BIND=good or bad | 03:32 |
| ScottK | bind is good, but complicated. | 03:32 |
| ScottK | Generally, I suggest leaving running DNS to DNS experts. | 03:32 |
| twb | Hear, hear | 03:32 |
| ScottK | Your registrar may or may not qualify | 03:32 |
| ChrisRut | GoDaddy | 03:32 |
| fbdystang | ChrisRut: It says that network manager is in the system tray, However i cannot find it. What does it look like? all my icons are accounted for | 03:33 |
| twb | There are two kinds of DNS, too -- publishing your domains' records, and caching everyone else's records. | 03:33 |
| twb | For the latter, dnsmasq is super nice. | 03:33 |
| ChrisRut | fbdystang: System>Preferances>Network Connections | 03:33 |
| ChrisRut | twb: but strictly for a webserver (ubuntu-server) why would I need to cache everyone elses? | 03:34 |
| ChrisRut | no outbound connections really | 03:34 |
| fbdystang | ChrisRut: ok I found it, I see a vpn tab, but nothing on pptp | 03:34 |
| cjwatson | webserver logging can actually do quite a lot of reverse dns lookups | 03:35 |
| cjwatson | so sometimes caching of that is required | 03:35 |
| cjwatson | or useful anyway | 03:35 |
| twb | ChrisRut: right; the latter only applies when you run a local network. | 03:35 |
| cjwatson | really high-performance web serving generally turns off reverse dns lookups in the logs, but that's a bit annoying for normal production use | 03:35 |
| twb | ChrisRut: sorry, I wasn't paying much attention. | 03:35 |
| ChrisRut | fbdystang: try this: | 03:35 |
| ChrisRut | http://bit.ly/5RRFXU | 03:35 |
| ChrisRut | cjwatson: didn't think of that... true, thx | 03:36 |
| twb | cjwatson: if you're only caching for one host, nscd or whatever should handle it | 03:36 |
| cjwatson | sure, I didn't specify a caching *method* :) | 03:36 |
| cjwatson | ChrisRut just asked why caching would be useful | 03:37 |
| twb | OK | 03:37 |
| fbdystang | ChrisRut: thanks, however i have already tried that one, to no avail :( I would think there would be a simple pptp gui to connect | 03:37 |
| ChrisRut | fbdystang: did you make sure to install 'network-manager-vpnc network-manager-openvpn | 03:38 |
| ChrisRut | I could be wrong, but i believe those packages add the ability to use VPN (therefore are required to use PPTP) | 03:38 |
| fbdystang | Yea, thats what I would think too. But they are both installed | 03:39 |
| fbdystang | is there a command line way to connect? | 03:40 |
| ChrisRut | fbdystang: how bout this one: http://bit.ly/6tvTkC | 03:41 |
| fbdystang | hmm, thats new lemme check | 03:42 |
| ChrisRut | fbdystang: also give this a shot if that one doesn't work out: http://bit.ly/7rWItY | 03:43 |
| fbdystang | OK, my network manager now has an icon in panel. I have created the vpn, but don't know how to connect it. it says last used is "never" wish there was a connect button! | 03:47 |
| fbdystang | ChrisRut: will that second one work in karmic? | 03:48 |
| ChrisRut | 1sec.. | 03:48 |
| ChrisRut | did you sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart | 03:49 |
| ChrisRut | after you setup the vpn | 03:49 |
| ChrisRut | go into terminal and issue 'sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart' | 03:49 |
| ChrisRut | It's probably going to kick you off irc thou | 03:49 |
| fbdystang | I did sudo service network-manager restart, which it said is a more prefered one | 03:49 |
| ChrisRut | ok | 03:50 |
| fbdystang | didn't kick me off though | 03:50 |
| ChrisRut | fbdystang: can you click on the network manager applet (top right) and then select your vpn connection that you just setup | 03:52 |
| fbdystang | yes | 03:52 |
| ChrisRut | did that work? | 03:52 |
| fbdystang | but i don't know how to connect it | 03:52 |
| fbdystang | double clicking just brings up th edit window, which is where i set up the vpn | 03:53 |
| fbdystang | How does it work in yours? does it just automatically connect or do you manually hit connect somewhere? | 03:54 |
| ChrisRut | not using vpn | 03:54 |
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| ChrisRut | so I couldn't tell ya | 03:54 |
| ChrisRut | sorry, but I am stumped | 03:55 |
| fbdystang | hmm | 03:56 |
| fbdystang | in the second one it says to add my self to group 'dip' how do i do that on command line? | 03:59 |
| cjwatson | sudo adduser $USER dip | 04:00 |
| fbdystang | k thanks | 04:01 |
| kirkland | cjwatson: i'm getting a lintian error on eucalyptus-sc.templates: E: eucalyptus-sc: no-debconf-config | 04:02 |
| kirkland | cjwatson: can you confirm that this is okay? | 04:02 |
| kirkland | http://lintian.debian.org/tags/no-debconf-config.html | 04:03 |
| kirkland | cjwatson: says that it's sometimes okay, sometimes an error | 04:03 |
| cjwatson | kirkland: it's fine, there's no db_input | 04:13 |
| kirkland | cjwatson: k, thanks; i'll add an override | 04:15 |
| fbdystang | How do I know if the vpn connection worked? | 04:22 |
| ChrisRut | fbdystang: try pinging one of the boxes on your VPN | 04:33 |
| ChrisRut | gotta run, thanks for the help cjwatson, twb & ScottK | 04:40 |
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| aquarius | I have a jaunty server; "sudo do-release-upgrade" says "After your package information was updated the essential package 'ubuntu-minimal' can not be found anymore." There are LP bugs about this, but they suggest it's been fixed. What can I do to diagnose? | 06:58 |
| Jeeves_ | Mogge | 08:03 |
| _ruben | Mornin' Jeeves_ | 08:15 |
| jiboumans | morning folks | 08:48 |
| _ruben | bleh .. snort's an odd beast when you start playing with it | 09:15 |
| Jeeves_ | :) | 09:18 |
| dpreacher | Has any configured "dead peer detection" for their IPSec VPN on ubuntu server? I need to know if it is possible with racoon or do I have to use another package | 09:44 |
| _ruben | never used racoon (well, i did for a very brief period and hated it) .. openswan does have support for dpd | 09:50 |
| dpreacher | _ruben when a package like openswan has dpd support, on being able to detect the dead peer is it possible to switchover to a secondary remote peer? What other corrective action can be taken. Thank you for your reply | 10:04 |
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| _ruben | dpreacher: most common actions are "try to bring up tunnel again" and "put things on hold till its available again" .. openswan doesnt have high availability (switchover) builtin | 10:20 |
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| dpreacher | _ruben, can openswan call any other program to do switchover externally...like run a command | 10:35 |
| _ruben | dpreacher: there's updown scripts, but im not sure if those get called during dpd as well | 10:39 |
| _ruben | gotta go .. meeting | 10:39 |
| dpreacher | seeya | 10:39 |
| dpreacher | thanks | 10:39 |
| benedikt | are there any cases where "uptime" will report 2 users when there is only one logged in? | 11:39 |
| JanC | 2 different users or 2x the same user? | 11:40 |
| JanC | (use 'users' to check that) | 11:40 |
| benedikt | http://pastebin.com/m1e3868f8 | 11:40 |
| benedikt | http://pastebin.com/m30c28257 <- updated with 'users' | 11:41 |
| JanC | well, looks like only one user was logged in the second time | 11:42 |
| JanC | anyway, "2 users" can mean "2x the same user" | 11:43 |
| JanC | e.g. on my desktop I currently 3x my user logged in, and every terminal you start (e.g. in screen) adds another login | 11:45 |
| benedikt | JanC: no. the user "benedikt" is logged in once. | 12:13 |
| zul_ | morning | 12:40 |
| jiboumans | kirkland, alive and kicking already? | 12:40 |
| kirkland | jiboumans: about to go for a run | 12:40 |
| jiboumans | kirkland: ok, catch you after | 12:40 |
| kirkland | jiboumans: trying to make it back in time for the meeting | 12:40 |
| jiboumans | morning zul | 12:40 |
| adac | Since an upgrade to karmic, ssh login to my server is quite slow. Any ideas? | 13:43 |
| zul_ | mathiaz: so what do I need for the scribe stuff? | 13:44 |
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| ttx | kirkland: also it was supposed to require woodstox, but apparently doesn't need it... I guess that change hasn't landed yet in their code. | 13:52 |
| jiboumans | all hail netsplits | 13:52 |
| benedikt | adac: does the login go as fast as usual (/etc/motd shows up etc, etc) but bash takes a second to load? | 13:52 |
| adac | benedikt, the moment I enter the ssh password in the console it takes up to 10 seconds until the "remote" bash appears | 13:52 |
| benedikt | 'uptime' is showing one user too many on my system ( http://pastebin.com/m30c28257 ) . What can cause this? | 13:52 |
| adac | benedikt, On jaunty it was there immediately | 13:53 |
| benedikt | adac: and th motd | 13:53 |
| benedikt | ? | 13:53 |
| adac | benedikt, what is that? | 13:53 |
| benedikt | adac: cat /etc/motd | 13:53 |
| adac | oh I see. Yes it takes 10 seconds until motd appears on login | 13:54 |
| benedikt | ah. then its not the same that started to happen to me. | 13:54 |
| _ruben | slow logins often tend to be dns related | 13:57 |
| benedikt | also, my issue about one login too many is resolved. i didnt realize that screen of course took up a tty and is in /var/run/utmp . | 13:58 |
| mathiaz | zul: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/KnowledgeBase | 13:58 |
| mathiaz | zul: outlines what to do as a scribe -basically write up the minutes | 13:59 |
| zul | mathiaz: k thanks | 13:59 |
| smoser | in mail to mathiaz i suggested yaml as markup language, but python-yaml not in main. so thats a big strike against that. | 14:15 |
| mathiaz | smoser: well - we may have to move to main anyway | 14:16 |
| mathiaz | smoser: yaml is getting more and more popular | 14:17 |
| mathiaz | smoser: I had a look at it this morning | 14:17 |
| smoser | oh? in that case i'd consider, but the niceness of the built into python is nice. (ie, python-configobj) | 14:18 |
| zul | python-config is already in main as well | 14:27 |
| ScottK | smoser: python-yaml will probably come into Main due to a spec of mine. Also I'm the Debian maintainer for it, so I think it'll be easy to get into Main | 14:29 |
| smoser | i really dont like the shortcoming of "some things can't be represented as keys" in python-configobj | 14:30 |
| smoser | http://www.voidspace.org.uk/python/configobj.html#the-config-file-format | 14:30 |
| smoser | There is no way of safely quoting values that contain both types of triple quotes. | 14:30 |
| smoser | but maybe thats just worrying too much | 14:30 |
| mathiaz | smoser: I think we should just try one | 14:33 |
| mathiaz | smoser: once we have more experience we can add more syntaxes if needed | 14:33 |
| smoser | agreed. | 14:33 |
| smoser | did my mail to you make sense mathiaz ? | 14:34 |
| mathiaz | smoser: yes | 14:34 |
| mathiaz | smoser: I'll start by providing sample user-data script | 14:34 |
| mathiaz | smoser: to see how things would work with the syntax (which ever syntax we choose) | 14:34 |
| cr3 | kirkland: hey dude, someone on the condor-users mailing list is asking about running condor on a eucalyptus cloud. thought you might like to know | 14:35 |
| mathiaz | smoser: once we have the syntax and samples, we'll have tests as well and can then start implementing it | 14:35 |
| smoser | mathiaz, thats fine. | 14:35 |
| kirkland | cr3: cool | 14:37 |
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| oru_work | anyone familiar with vsftpd? Wed Dec 16 09:51:27 2009 [pid 9660] [jpipublic] FAIL LOGIN: Client "75.127.142.196" | 15:03 |
| oru_work | same error on both the client and server log side | 15:04 |
| smoser | soren, ping. could you sponsor bug 494185 to karmic-proposed? | 15:05 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 494185 in ec2-init "ec2-init selects us-east-1 mirror when running in us-west-1 region" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/494185 | 15:05 |
| zul | smoser: i think its eod for soren as well | 15:07 |
| zul | so I could do that if you want | 15:07 |
| smoser | well, then, do you want to do it? i was just hoping to spread the wealth | 15:07 |
| zul | sure | 15:07 |
| zul | dont you mean spread the pain ;) | 15:08 |
| zul | smoser: i have upload the ec2-init SRU i had to modify the debian changelog for it to be proper for an SRU | 15:24 |
| smoser | what did you have to change? | 15:25 |
| smoser | zul, | 15:26 |
| zul | i attached to the debdiff to the bug | 15:27 |
| `jpg | Hey guys, is it possible to install 9.10 on a machine without internet access? | 15:39 |
| smoser | zul, so sru you're not supposed to increase ubuntu portion of the package version, but rather add '.X'? | 15:39 |
| smoser | ie, you did: 0ubuntu7.1 rather than 0ubuntu8 | 15:39 |
| mathiaz | smoser: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdatePreparation#Update%20the%20packaging | 15:40 |
| mathiaz | smoser: ^^ has a table with expected version number for security updates | 15:40 |
| mathiaz | smoser: SRU follow the same rules | 15:40 |
| smoser | thanks mathiaz. | 15:40 |
| zul | smoser,: sorrect | 15:40 |
| zul | mathiaz: about the smart SRU it was done but it got rejected because there was no lp bug number in the changelog. I just re-uploaded it with the correct lp bug number | 15:41 |
| mathiaz | zul: ok - can you keep an eye on it? | 15:42 |
| zul | mathiaz: will do | 15:42 |
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| psyferre | hey folks. I'm porting a lot of code from windows to ubuntu and have a decent amount of unc paths being used for file access. In looking through the samba docs it looks like I'm going to have to create a mount point on my system for every other machine on the network i need to access... is that correct? Or is there some way I can just hit the shares via unc path name? | 15:50 |
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| pea_brain | hi all, I am new to ubuntu UEC. I am trying to get elasticfox to manage the cluster. I am not able to add my cluster as a region in UEC. when i try accessing the URL "http://my_cluster_ip:8773/services/Eucalyptus" directly, it shows "Failure: 500 Internal Server Error". i tried elasticfox on both firefox 3.5 and then on 3.0, but to no avail. can anyone please help.. | 17:05 |
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| pea_brain | hi all, I am new to ubuntu UEC. I am trying to get elasticfox to manage the cluster. I am not able to add my cluster as a region in _elasticfox_. when i try accessing the URL "http://my_cluster_ip:8773/services/Eucalyptus" directly, it shows "Failure: 500 Internal Server Error". i tried elasticfox on both firefox 3.5 and then on 3.0, but to no avail. can anyone please help.. | 17:10 |
| hiatus | Is ubuntu server a decent server or should I go with something more along the lines of centos | 17:11 |
| pea_brain | hiatus: ubuntu server ( LTS ) has 5 yrs support and centos has 7 yrs. besides, ubuntu has a lot of packages pacakged for it ( like 28000) while centos has about 3500 . just a couple of ideas from my side. | 17:13 |
| pea_brain | Linux is Linux, whichever way you may wanna use it. | 17:13 |
| hiatus | hmmm, thanks pea, good points | 17:19 |
| pea_brain | hiatus: one thing to note though, not all the packages i mentioned as supported on ubuntu have the same support commitments from the developers. | 17:25 |
| hiatus | how do you mean? | 17:28 |
| pea_brain | there is a section called "main", which is fully supported. Others like "universe" and "multiverse" are not supported with the same level of commitment. http://www.ubuntu.com/community/ubuntustory/components | 17:34 |
| TeTeT_ | kirkland: is there any WSDL specification for Eucalyptus? | 17:55 |
| kirkland | TeTeT_: i don't think i know enough about WSDL to answer that question | 17:56 |
| TeTeT_ | kirkland: who could know about that, ttx maybe? | 17:56 |
| kirkland | TeTeT_: yeah | 17:57 |
| kirkland | TeTeT_: or ask in #eucalyptus | 17:57 |
| kirkland | TeTeT_: between network splits | 17:57 |
| TeTeT_ | kirkland: I haven't thought of #eucalyptus :) | 17:59 |
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| mathiaz | smoser: hi | 18:15 |
| smoser | hey | 18:15 |
| mathiaz | smoser: can I use the UEC images directly with kvm/libvirt? | 18:15 |
| smoser | sort of. | 18:15 |
| smoser | its a goal to answer 'yes, and heres how' | 18:16 |
| mathiaz | smoser: ok - but we're not there yet | 18:16 |
| smoser | you can do it, but ec2 init is dependent upon the metadata service | 18:17 |
| smoser | so you either have to | 18:17 |
| smoser | a.) give a fake metadata service | 18:17 |
| smoser | b.) disable ec2-init | 18:17 |
| smoser | c.) wait 30+ minutes for ec2-init to time out | 18:17 |
| smoser | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UEC/Images/Testing is mostly still relevant i think | 18:17 |
| smoser | the piece of info missing there is that you can append to the kernel 'ec2init=0' and that will disable ec2-init | 18:18 |
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| uvirtbot | New bug: #497495 in eucalyptus "euca-delete-bundle does not correctly parse dir path in some cases" [Low,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/497495 | 18:27 |
| orudie_ | can someone recommend an intranet solution ? | 18:56 |
| unit3 | errr... you'll have to be a *lot* more specific than that. ;) | 18:57 |
| mm888 | hi - trying to setup a LAMP server using Ubuntu server ... anybody had any problems using Ubuntu 9.1 server in fusion | 19:13 |
| mm888 | the server seems to be for AMD 64 bit | 19:13 |
| unit3 | you mean 9.10 right? | 19:17 |
| unit3 | and there should be a 32-bit server ISO download. | 19:17 |
| unit3 | 64 bit is the default, because generally there aren't any 32-bit only servers anymore. ;) | 19:18 |
| mm888 | yes 9.10 | 19:18 |
| mm888 | trying to find 32bit | 19:18 |
| mm888 | just trying to test something at home u c | 19:18 |
| mm888 | was searching on the web site and came across this channel - so thought I'll ask | 19:19 |
| mm888 | but all the links takes me back to the 64bit d/l .... ummmm | 19:20 |
| unit3 | let me find you a link. | 19:21 |
| mm888 | thanks :-) | 19:21 |
| unit3 | http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download-server | 19:21 |
| unit3 | you see under the download button, it says "Alternative download options"? | 19:21 |
| unit3 | Click that, then you can select the 32 bit version. | 19:22 |
| mm888 | oh thanks - so stupid ... should of saw that | 19:22 |
| unit3 | no prob. :) | 19:22 |
| unit3 | also, if you go to one of the mirror sites directly, there'll be bittorrent download links as well, if that's faster for you. | 19:22 |
| mm888 | torrent no good for me as my ISP throttles those type of traffic | 19:23 |
| mm888 | but thanks for the suggestion | 19:23 |
| unit3 | yeah, some ISPs BT is way faster, some it's better to just use the local mirror. the options are there, anyway. | 19:23 |
| mm888 | :-) | 19:24 |
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| smoser | kirkland, have you found a way to get -curses to work with lucid ? | 21:02 |
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| Jeeves_ | Has anyone arranged for ZFS in Linux allready? :) | 21:28 |
| Jeeves_ | (not using fuse) | 21:28 |
| dunix | sorry to tell you, it won't happen until linux changes it's license, gpl gets reworded or new version, or zfs's license changes | 21:30 |
| dunix | and none of those will be happening any time soon | 21:30 |
| angeloalfa76 | c'è qualche italiano collegato? | 21:34 |
| kirkland | smoser: unfortunately not yet | 21:47 |
| Anonymous2 | yea ubuntu server room | 21:54 |
| Anonymous2 | my favorite of all | 21:54 |
| epinky | :) | 22:00 |
| Anonymous2 | :) | 22:00 |
| Anonymous2 | i got 8.04 server running atm | 22:00 |
| Anonymous2 | epinky: you run server | 22:01 |
| Anonymous2 | anyone else her | 22:02 |
| Anonymous2 | here** | 22:02 |
| khelvan | My headless server keeps shutting down - what can I do to figure out why it is shutting down on its own? | 22:03 |
| Anonymous2 | bad memory | 22:03 |
| Anonymous2 | is a possiblity | 22:03 |
| Anonymous2 | for me it is cause 1000+ memtest errors | 22:03 |
| Anonymous2 | but it runs just when i restart from time to time it doesn't start up again until i unplug it and plug it back in | 22:04 |
| dunix | khelvan have you looked through the logs? | 22:04 |
| Anonymous2 | that's one way to find out | 22:04 |
| Anonymous2 | didn't think bout the logs | 22:04 |
| khelvan | dunix - I am not familiar with where to find logs or what to look for. I am brand new to this. | 22:04 |
| dunix | overheating is another common reason | 22:05 |
| Anonymous2 | and bad mem | 22:05 |
| Anonymous2 | you come a across bad address and bam down | 22:05 |
| dunix | /var/log/messages is a good place to start | 22:05 |
| dunix | or /var/log/syslog | 22:05 |
| Anonymous2 | well i shall revise that | 22:05 |
| Anonymous2 | bad addresses and sometimes bam | 22:05 |
| khelvan | Here is the /var/log/messages - I don't see anything except a random restart, which I have no idea why it did: http://pastebin.com/m3f44bf33 | 22:11 |
| Anonymous2 | do you have it setup to automatically restart | 22:12 |
| Anonymous2 | generally people set it to do this to avoid errors | 22:12 |
| Anonymous2 | much like with cisco routers | 22:12 |
| khelvan | Here is the syslog, with another random restart - http://pastebin.com/d37f72e41 | 22:13 |
| khelvan | No, I never set it to do that, it has been running fine for a month, and now all of a sudden it is randomly restarting (and randomly shutting down, as in power off). | 22:13 |
| Anonymous2 | did you do a memtest | 22:14 |
| Anonymous2 | just to make sure | 22:14 |
| Anonymous2 | can never be to careful | 22:14 |
| khelvan | I have not, no, how do I do that with a headless server? | 22:14 |
| Anonymous2 | well if you can restart the machine with a monitor attached you can press escape key when it says please wait 3 seconds at the grub boot loader menu | 22:15 |
| Anonymous2 | then boot to memtest | 22:15 |
| Anonymous2 | my server restarts from time to time but thats cause my mem is finished | 22:15 |
| dunix | khelvan, is this hardware built to be a server? | 22:21 |
| dunix | ie: a dell or hp server etc, or is it a desktop you are using as a server? | 22:21 |
| khelvan | dunix - It is desktop components I put together to be a server. | 22:21 |
| dunix | you may want to check your bios to see if there is any temp settings, usually with a problem like this, it's a heat issue | 22:22 |
| dunix | and some bios' have settings for temp, even the desktop ones | 22:23 |
| dunix | or you may just want to monitor the internal temp of your MoBo/Proc, if it allows for that | 22:23 |
| khelvan | dunix - Are there any temperature monitors I can install and watch via ssh? | 22:23 |
| dunix | lm-sensors | 22:23 |
| dunix | but may or may not work, depending on your motherboard | 22:24 |
| khelvan | Ok, it is already installed - how can I monitor it via SSH? | 22:24 |
| dunix | Google+lm-sensors website would tell you if your stuff is supported | 22:24 |
| Anonymous2 | i was talking monitor like a crt or lcd | 22:25 |
| Anonymous2 | but ssh <SERVER IP> | 22:25 |
| khelvan | Anonymous2 - I know, it isn't practicle for me to have a physical monitor on the machine at the moment. I am installing/monitoring/checking the logs via ssh at the moment. | 22:26 |
| khelvan | (practical) | 22:26 |
| Anonymous2 | you can't monitor the memtest | 22:26 |
| Anonymous2 | you can with a computer monitor like lcd screen and keyboard | 22:26 |
| Anonymous2 | it's hard for me to explain | 22:26 |
| khelvan | I realize that, it will have to be a bit before I can run that. I understand, I have run memtest before, which is why I asked how I can do it with a headless server. | 22:27 |
| khelvan | The short answer is that I can't. | 22:27 |
| dunix | khelvan, if everything is working properly i believe you can type 'sensors' | 22:27 |
| khelvan | It needs a head. | 22:27 |
| khelvan | dunix - Thanks, I got this output: k8temp-pci-00c3 Adapter: PCI adapter Core0 Temp: +33.0°C | 22:28 |
| khelvan | Is there a way for me to tell if it was a system-initiated clean shutdown, or if it crashed due to heat/memory? I have some critical data on a RAID array, how can I insure that the file system is not going to be corrupted? | 22:29 |
| dunix | well thats not anything to worry about, is there any way/reason this would spike? like for example a dog sitting behind it blocking the intake (which is what my dog does) | 22:29 |
| dunix | if was a system, it would have said in the logs | 22:29 |
| qman__ | you can check on the RAID with /proc/mdstat | 22:30 |
| qman__ | it'll automatically rebuild if something is wrong | 22:30 |
| qman__ | as for how dangerous it is, that depends on what filesystem you use | 22:30 |
| qman__ | ext3 is generally fine with sudden failures | 22:31 |
| qman__ | might lose some data from writes occurring during the failure | 22:31 |
| qman__ | but otherwise, I've never lost anything else on ext3 | 22:31 |
| qman__ | XFS is the opposite, I've had several catastrophic failures in crashes | 22:31 |
| khelvan | dunix - No pets, the PC is sitting on a stone floor in about 69-70 F heat | 22:33 |
| khelvan | Or temp, I should say | 22:33 |
| khelvan | qman__, it is ext3 | 22:33 |
| dunix | then i'd say temp is ruled out | 22:33 |
| khelvan | qman__, how do I check with /proc/mdstat? | 22:34 |
| qman__ | cat /proc/mdstat | 22:34 |
| qman__ | that's only if you're using mdadm/linux soft raid | 22:34 |
| qman__ | if you've got a hardware raid or a fakeraid that won't tell you anything | 22:34 |
| khelvan | Err, I am using the RAID that I automatically set up during server install at the prompts, which I believe is linux soft raid | 22:35 |
| qman__ | yeah | 22:35 |
| qman__ | that's mdadm | 22:35 |
| khelvan | qman__, output: md0 : active raid1 sdc1[0] sdd1[1] 488383936 blocks [2/2] [UU] | 22:35 |
| qman__ | that means it's fine and online | 22:35 |
| qman__ | it'll say rebuilding if it is, and it'll show one of the disks failing if it is | 22:35 |
| khelvan | I guess I better get that backup solution up and running soon just to be sure. | 22:36 |
| JanC | backups are always a good idea ☺ | 22:37 |
| qman__ | this is what my file server looks like | 22:38 |
| qman__ | md0 : active raid6 sdh1[7](S) sda1[0] sdg1[6] sdf1[5] sde1[4] sdd1[3] sdc1[2] sdb1[1] 4883799680 blocks level 6, 64k chunk, algorithm 2 [7/7] [UUUUUUU] | 22:38 |
| khelvan | JanC - Yeah, I agree, it has just been low priority for me with all sorts of other problems going on at the moment with other stuff. | 22:38 |
| khelvan | qman__, What does the (S) refer to? | 22:39 |
| qman__ | spare | 22:39 |
| qman__ | previously, I had just raid 5 | 22:39 |
| qman__ | and lost two disks within an hour | 22:39 |
| qman__ | suffered total data loss | 22:39 |
| qman__ | so, this time, raid 6 with a spare | 22:39 |
| JanC | 2 disks from the same series? | 22:40 |
| qman__ | same model, bought at the same time | 22:40 |
| qman__ | ran for about two years | 22:41 |
| JanC | it's quite common that they break around the same time then | 22:41 |
| khelvan | Wow, aren't the odds of that astronomically high? | 22:41 |
| qman__ | then died, an hour apart | 22:41 |
| JanC | qman__: I once heard somebody tell they lost 3 disks within 5 hours that way ;) | 22:41 |
| JanC | was an ISP's mailserver... | 22:42 |
| qman__ | ouch | 22:42 |
| dunix | lol | 22:42 |
| khelvan | So the moral of the story is buy two different types of disks? | 22:42 |
| qman__ | luckily my data wasn't that valuable | 22:42 |
| qman__ | the moral is, keep backups | 22:42 |
| qman__ | all disks die eventually | 22:42 |
| dunix | what qman said. | 22:42 |
| JanC | well, the problem with different disks is that they have different timings | 22:42 |
| qman__ | yeah, the array will perform better if you use the same disks | 22:43 |
| sub | and different geometries as well, yeah? | 22:43 |
| JanC | AFAIK "geometries" are all virtual these days | 22:43 |
| qman__ | this time around I've got it set up to email me on my phone if it detects a SMART error, so that shouldn't happen again | 22:44 |
| dunix | unless of course you have a support contract, then you have to use identical drives | 22:44 |
| JanC | qman__: that doesn't always work | 22:44 |
| JanC | SMART can't predict all errors | 22:44 |
| qman__ | yeah | 22:45 |
| qman__ | mdadm is also set to email me on failure | 22:45 |
| qman__ | but SMART should pick it up first | 22:45 |
| qman__ | and raid 6 with the spare should buy me more time than an hour | 22:45 |
| JanC | I had one disk where SMART gave no warning until the disk was dead | 22:45 |
| JanC | disk was 1 month old... | 22:46 |
| qman__ | there's always a chance for total loss, but I'm trying to improve the odds | 22:46 |
| qman__ | the 4GB Quantum Fireball I'm using as a system drive out lasted the first array | 22:47 |
| qman__ | if/when that one finally dies I'm switching to flash | 22:48 |
| qman__ | but all signs point to that thing lasting longer than me | 22:48 |
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